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The day America brought democracy to the people of Japan.

You’re welcome.

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Peace is much better than war.

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Did Abe govt send official representatives to express remorse and sympathy with the victims? Honest question.

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“The day America brought democracy to the people of Japan.”

The one party state they’ve had for 60 years? Only superficially

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Had the Japanese not decided on imperialism as national policy, this would have been a happier world. The millions who died in wars would have lived out normal lives. By all means, preserve Article 9.

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"The United States' commitment to the role today is the same one we made to the freedom-loving people of the world in 1941 - that we will remain ready to fight any foe and defend any friend."

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Very superficial type of democracy.  Day the Allies brought peace to the world maybe........

Sad part is look at the way the US is becoming less and less free as time goes by.

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Those guns are unbelievably huge.

Thank you for service during WW2 to all of the allies who fought against the fascist leaders...Tojo,Hitler and Mussolini.

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Did Abe govt send official representatives to express remorse and sympathy with the victims? Honest question.

A simple online search would tell you that Prime Minister Abe visited the Pearl Harbor memorial, in person, four years ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38438714

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marcelitoToday  05:34 pm JST

Did Abe govt send official representatives to express remorse and sympathy with the victims? Honest question.

He did better than that. Honest answer.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/27/shinzo-abe-pearl-harbor-visit-obama-japan

But in 2020, travel isn't exactly easy in case you haven't noticed.

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The one party state they’ve had for 60 years? Only superficially

Inaccurate.

We brought it to them, what they did with it is a different story.

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Did Abe govt send official representatives to express remorse and sympathy with the victims? Honest question.

No, he did not express remorse. Not even when he visited Pearl Harbor with Obama:

The prime minister did not apologize for the attack 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/27/shinzo-abe-pearl-harbor-visit-obama-japan

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Thank you for service during WW2 to all of the allies who fought against the fascist leaders...Tojo,Hitler and Mussolini

You forgot Hirohito. The guy that personally approved military operations, in whose name the Japanese military fought, and who suddenly become powerful enough in August 1945 to make Japan surrender.

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The anniversary of whatever harbour event is another silly attempt to justify Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As long as I live, I will NOT forget what the US did to the innocent people of Japan i.e. "genocide"! Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for a reason. At the time the US was sending military aid to its allies (and Japan's enemies) from such harbours and encouraging other countries to join the war against the Axis. Japan didn't specifically target and kill innocent civillians in the US. If the aim was causing deaths and hurting the US, there were way easier targets in the US.

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P. SmithToday  06:40 pm JST

Did Abe govt send official representatives to express remorse and sympathy with the victims? Honest question.

No, he did not express remorse. Not even when he visited Pearl Harbor with Obama:

Neither did President Obama apologize at Hiroshima.

Japan's apologies are over and done with. Just ask all the US Forces and JSDF who work together with common adsversaries.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/08/13/world/asia/japan-ww2-shinzo-abe.html

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did the U.S apologize for two nuclear bombs dropped on 2 urban cities?....

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The day japan tried retribution because of USA fuel/supply sanctions that led to the nuking of millions of women and children. What is to celebrate?

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Memorial ceremonies are not "celebrations".

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@Goodlucktoyou.100s of thousands of people died..not millions of women and children..still horrific though.

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Neither did President Obama apologize at Hiroshima.

Japan's apologies are over and done with. Just ask all the US Forces and JSDF who work together with common adsversaries.

Irrelevant to the question that was asked and I answered.

Also, let’s not forget which nation was the aggressor.

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Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for a reason.

...

At the time the US was sending military aid to its allies (and Japan's enemies) from such harbours and encouraging other countries to join the war against the Axis.

A bad reason, then.

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Those who condemn the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki willfully ignore that the purpose was two-fold; firstly to end the bloodshed that would have been inevitable with an invasion of Honshu, on BOTH sides, and secondly to prevent the planned Soviet/Korean invasion of Japan. Yes, the bombings were absolutely horrendous, but the continuation of the hostilities would have been far worse.

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They love to celebrate WW2 victory.

The Americans, Russians, Chinese all go overboard each year on who can do it better, who lost more men, who contributed the most.

Giant countries 100 times the size of Japan and Germany united together to defeat this smaller nations. How did you guys do it?

If you look at resources, land size, which countries fought together, manufacturing power, man power The Allies Always had a Massive Advantage. It wasn't fair to begin with.

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The anniversary of whatever harbour event is another silly attempt to justify Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

No, it’s not.

As long as I live, I will NOT forget what the US did to the innocent people of Japan i.e. "genocide"! 

The US was not trying to destroy the entire population of Japan, which means it wasn’t genocide.

Will you also NOT forget what Akaoka did to the innocent people of the Asian countries it invaded, i.e., rape, brutalize, torture, and murder?

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P. SmithToday  09:01 pm JST

Neither did President Obama apologize at Hiroshima.

Japan's apologies are over and done with. Just ask all the US Forces and JSDF who work together with common adsversaries.

Irrelevant to the question that was asked and I answered.

Also, let’s not forget which nation was the aggressor.

Who was the aggressor 75 years ago is what's irrelevant to today's world. What's relevant is who is the aggressor today.

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Giant countries 100 times the size of Japan and Germany united together to defeat this smaller nations. How did you guys do it?

Let’s just say it was good that they did it.

Japan and Germany had to be defeated and detoxified.

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War is nasty as hell & Japan reigned hell all over the far east & SE Asia killing 20-30million, off the charts nastiness!!

The BEST thing that happened to Japan was losing WWII, THAT is what led to Japan prosperity & its people FREED from its own govt which was totally responsible for the death in destruction in the far east, SE Asia & JAPAN!!

Can you imagine what this part of the world would have been like thge last 75years IF JAPAN HAD WON........think about THAT!

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"The United States' commitment to the role today is the same one we made to the freedom-loving people of the world in 1941 - that we will remain ready to fight any foe and defend any friend."

Codswallop! America sat on its hands for two years while the war raged in Europe, including the Battle of Britain, were friend and ally Britain was viciously attacked. And France was half occupied while America did little. America only joined the war because America was attacked, not only at Pearl Harbor but also the Philippine colony, Guam, Wake Island, and Midway. And of course when Roosevelt made a speech about Japan's attack on America, he only mentioned Pearl Harbor because that was white people. The Philippine and Guam Americans weren't.

But of course American support of Saddam Hussein and the Shah of Iran expose the codswallop even better. And plenty of other examples as well in Poland, Latvia, Czechoslovakia, East Germany and the list goes on and on of freedom loving people who were left to rot by America or actively subverted.

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Roosevelt - The worst war criminal of all time.

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What's relevant is who is the aggressor today.

Also relevant is who is supporting what aggression in the past today. Those who support past aggression today will support future aggression too.

The US was not trying to destroy the entire population of Japan, which means it wasn’t genocide.

You are not using a correct definition of genocide. From wiki: " The United NationsGenocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part,..." Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and also firebombing Tokyo, Kobe, Hamamatsu etc were all genocide. Pearl Harbor was not, as it was a clear attack on a military base. The only dead American civilians off that base were literally killed by American anti-aircraft fire that came back to the ground.

The sad fact is Roosevelt wanted the attack to happen. Most Americans were not willing to lift a finger for the world though he wanted them too. He had to encourage and let Pearl Harbor happen to get Americans to fight. And now propagandists act like Americans were always on board with fighting Japan and Nazis. BS.

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The Americans, Russians, Chinese all go overboard each year on who can do it better, who lost more men, who contributed the most. 

We can’t honor our people and the sacrifices they made?

Giant countries 100 times the size of Japan and Germany united together to defeat this smaller nations. How did you guys do it? 

rhetorical question?

If you look at resources, land size, which countries fought together, manufacturing power, man power The Allies Always had a Massive Advantage. It wasn't fair to begin with.

They shouldn’t have waged war then.

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Mitsuo Fuchida, the pilot who led the air attack on Pearl Harbor from the carrier Akagi, also became a christian minister after the war.

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Shhhh. This is different to what’s been taught in Japanese textbooks.

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The day japan tried retribution because of USA fuel/supply sanctions that led to the nuking of millions of women and children. What is to celebrate?

So just stand by and let the IJA slaughter the Chinese? Is that it? Look the other way? The US sanctioned Japan over their butchery of the Chinese people. Anything to slow the brutal atrocities the IJA was committing in China and Japan's expansion into Southeast Asia. The US has no reason to apologize for the oil embargo or anything done to prosecute WWII and force Japan to surrender unconditionally.

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He had to encourage and let Pearl Harbor happen to get Americans to fight. And now propagandists act like Americans were always on board with fighting Japan and Nazis. BS.

No. That is entirely false. The US indeed thought a conflict with Japan was probably inevitable and the US Navy had been preparing for such a war, but an attack on US soil was never considered possible. The US figured the Japanese wouldn't have the nerve to attack US soil directly knowing the anger it would cause. They expected Japan's attacks to come in the Philippines first or maybe Wake Island and was reinforcing these locations as best they could. In fact two US Navy aircraft carriers, Hornet and Enterprise, were returning from a mission to bring USMC aircraft to Wake when Pearl Harbor was attacked. If the US knew such an attack was coming those two aircraft carriers were in the ideal position to attack the Japanese forces. The problem is the US had lost contact with the Combined Fleet in early November and had no idea where Japan's carriers were on December 7th.

What the US did expect in Hawaii was sabotage by Japanese and Japanese Americans living there. That is why all the aircraft at the various Oahu airfields were grouped close together in the open rather than in revetments. The was trying to guard them against sabotage and it was easier to do when they were all tightly parked together on the flight line. If the Army and Navy had been expecting an air attack they would have spaced the planes out in earthen revetments so a hit on one does't cause damage to the others. This story you tell is a fabrication with no historical documentation to support it.

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NCIS RerunsToday 12:22 am JST

Mitsuo Fuchida, the pilot who led the air attack on Pearl Harbor from the carrier Akagi, also became a christian minister after the war.

And irony of ironies....He moved to the US, the country he swore to destroy....the racist country full of slaves and white privilege.... and became a full pledge US citizen in 1966.... and where he died in 1976.

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And irony of ironies....He moved to the US, the country he swore to destroy....the racist country full of slaves and white privilege.... and became a full pledge US citizen in 1966.... and where he died in 1976.

Just like a lyric in the old U2 song "Bullet the Blue Sky". See if you can figure out what lyric I refer to.......

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When Japan attacked this place, the then President called it a Day Of Infamy.

The fact is, Japan pulled off a surprise attack.

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The US sanctioned Japan over their butchery of the Chinese people

That is laughable.

America and Americans couldn't care less about Chinese people - then and now. Roosevelt had his own reasons for the embargo and they had nothing to do with any feelings toward any Asian people.

It just shows you how gullible people are. Believing history books written for children. Just stop and think about it for a second.

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Codswallop! America sat on its hands for two years while the war raged in Europe, including the Battle of Britain, were friend and ally Britain was viciously attacked. And France was half occupied while America did little.

Sigh. The US didn't have the means to intervene in Europe or fight the Japanese in 1939. However by June of 1941 the US Navy was secretly engaged in hunting German submarines in the western Atlantic. When Japan attacked the US at Pearl Harbor the US Navy had more hulls and more gross weight tonnage under construction that it had in commission but many of those ships would not come on line until the war was well underway. All of the big battleships like the USS Missouri were laid down before the Pearl Harbor attack. Not one was completed during the war and the last two Iowa class ships were incomplete hulls on VJ day. Likewise the first eight or nine of the outstanding Essex Class aircraft carriers the first of which would not enter service until 1943 to the Navy's great relief as it was down to only two pre-WWII fleet carriers, Enterprise and Saratoga. Lexington, Wasp, Yorktown and Hornet had all been sunk by the Japanese. Those Essex class ships were begun before the war. Even the huge (for the era) USS Midway which was not completed until after WWII was laid down before the Pearl Harbor attack. It takes years to build capital ships. The B-17 was just completing development, the big B-29s still had a couple of years development ahead of them (incidentally the B-29 program was more expensive than the Manhattan Project). The US would not have a true long range fighter aircraft until the first P-51s became available in large numbers later in 1942. The British received the first production lots in Jan 41 before US forces received them. And consider the P-51 used a British engine as the US did not have an engine that was both as light weight and as powerful as the Rolls Royce Merlin. The Brits had to teach Packard how to make them for the P-51.

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“We brought it to them, what they did with it is a different story.”

If the US hadn’t been so blinded by its fear of Communism, they could have properly democratised Japan.

As in, NOT create the LDP. Many of whom were pardoned, right-wing war-criminals.

But then, they wanted a compliant Japan, which a less right-wing one would not have been.

Thanks to the way Japan was rebuilt post-war, we have had a one-party state almost continuously for 60 years.

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"War must not happen again," a veteran of World War II said, recalling the words uttered by Gen. Douglas MacArthur on the day Japan surrendered. I agree.

But Defense Secretary Mark Esper said that a strong military must be built to ensure that war must not happen again.

An arms buildup by one country never fails to lead to an arms buildup by another country and eventually to war. We have witnessed many such cases in the past.

So how will Esper solve this conundrum?

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He did better than that. Honest answer.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/27/shinzo-abe-pearl-harbor-visit-obama-japan

Thanks for the link....I remember now, it was a reciprocal visit in return for Obama coming to Hiroshima. That was one of Abe,sfew  good moves.

But in 2020, travel isn't exactly easy in case you haven't noticed

I did notice but as far as I know Abe govt still maintains embassy / consular staff ( at great taxpayer expense )  in a number of US states and as such the diplomats are the perfect official representatives of J-govt to attend such ceremony, isnt that so?

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The Allies Always had a Massive Advantage. It wasn't fair to begin with.

Fair?...give us a break.....then what was "fair " about Japan ( and Germany ) attacking their neighbors at the outset? You start it you own it.

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Who was the aggressor 75 years ago is what's irrelevant to today's world. What's relevant is who is the aggressor today.

This is irrelevant to the question that was asked and that I answered.

Also, when we are talking about event that happened 75 years ago, who was the aggressor then is relevant. Furthermore, when we are discussing who should apologize today for the acts of 75 years ago, the aggressor 75 years ago is relevant.

I do admire your twisting and turning to defend the repugnant acts of Japan from 75 years ago and of today.

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If the US hadn’t been so blinded by its fear of Communism, they could have properly democratised Japan.

It wasn’t just the Us blinded by that fear. Also, we did properly democratize Japan by allowing the Japanese people to vote for whomever they wished. You’re suggesting that we should have controlled for whom they could have voted, which is not properly democratizing Japan.

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The US didn't have the means to intervene in Europe or fight the Japanese in 1939.

Excuses. I never said America had to do it all. The thing is America had a military and didn't use it. And the reason for that was a simple refusal to get involved. Pilots and their planes could have been sent to aid the Battle of Britain. They weren't. A few Americans joined the RAF. A ton could have joined if war had been declared by the U.S. Even just being hands on the ground repairing runways and aircraft would have been a major help to Britain at that time. They could have come empty handed and been enormous help. You want to talk about having nothing look at the Poles who joined the British. THEY had nothing. They fought. America just plain refused to help except to send equipment for a price.

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Life is a precious gift. Planet is our only common home. Peace on earth can add life to our life span.

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“ You’re suggesting that we should have controlled for whom they could have voted, which is not properly democratizing Japan.”

Nope. They can vote for who ever they want, and have the fantastic choice of LDP. Like a shogunate with a superficial name change.

Anyone who thinks Japan is a real democracy is dreaming

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Nope. They can vote for who ever they want, and have the fantastic choice of LDP. Like a shogunate with a superficial name change. 

There are other choices than the LDP. It is not America’s fault that the other pretties can’t gain traction with the people of Japan.

Anyone who thinks Japan is a real democracy is dreaming

The people vote to chose their representatives freely, so it is by definition a democracy.

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And while they only really have one party to vote for, deep down it is not so different from China and North Korea

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