Amid outcry, U.S. postmaster general to testify before House

President Donald Trump flatly denied

but only those in his cult of personality might believe him. Most Americans are only too aware of how many times he's flat out 'intentionally misinformed'.

Trump/barr and the global 'elite' backing him are desperate to keep him in office. They're getting richer while the country under his leadership continues sinking.

Replace all of the mail sorting machines and mail boxes that were removed. Every single one of them. Do it now and no excuses.

Today's lies from Trump:

“Wouldn’t do that,” Trump told reporters Monday at the White House. “I have encouraged everybody: Speed up the mail, not slow the mail.”

Trump on Monday defended DeJoy, but also criticized postal operations and claimed that universal mail-in ballots would be “a disaster.”

“I want to make the post office great again,” Trump said on “Fox & Friends.”

Is there anything in the US that Trump hasn't turned into a "disaster, a disaster.."??

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/absentee-ballots-mail-in-ballots-trump/index.html

Oh great, trump wants to make the post office great again; just like all of his bankruptcies and the state of America now, all ran into the ground. Someone please remind cadet bone spurs that email and video conferences can't send care packages from home to troops overseas. There's nothing like poor chow and poor mail service to ruin moral.

 a Trump ally and a major Republican donor, have endangered millions of Americans who rely on the post office to obtain prescription drugs and other needs, i

One more example, as if more were needed, of how totally out of touch Trump's billionaire led admin is with the lives of the non-elite class.

Some in Trump's admin must be aware how angry millions of Americans are becoming after losing jobs with no hope for a replacement, losing homes and cars, having to stand in foodlines that are unable to feed the needy.

The Trump admin does not want the Americans smashed by Trump's economy to vote. Trump etal are doing all they can to make it more difficult for people to vote.

but only those in his cult of personality might believe him.

Can you disprove it?

Most Americans are only too aware of how many times he's flat out 'intentionally misinformed'. 

As well as the Democrats continuously.....

Trump/barr and the global 'elite' backing him are desperate to keep him in office. They're getting richer while the country under his leadership continues sinking.

Well, why would they not? You think Trump wants or should concede to Biden because he wants his job? ROFL. No sitting incumbent President would want to give up their Presidency, not to mention the country will get poorer if the job creators are not allowed to provide jobs and get people back to work. Poor people can’t survive or make a living, Democrats fail to see that, they want power, they want to be able to regulate everything, but they don’t want to allow job creators to give jobs to these people

As well as the Democrats continuously.....

Yawn . . .

One more example, as if more were needed, of how totally out of touch Trump's billionaire led admin is with the lives of the non-elite class. 

If Democrats cared they would allow people to go to work in a controlled and safe manner.

Some in Trump's admin must be aware how angry millions of Americans are becoming after losing jobs with no hope for a replacement, losing homes and cars, having to stand in foodlines that are unable to feed the needy.

If these Democrat governors and mayors would not have kept people locked down for so long the country wouldn’t be in this mess, at the same time had Trump not issued a lockdown the Democrats would’ve lost your minds and would’ve told Trump he’s trying to get people killed. Now it’s his fault because he and most Americans want people to go back to work. 

The Trump admin does not want the Americans smashed by Trump's economy to vote. Trump etal are doing all they can to make it more difficult for people to vote.

Democrats are doing everything to undermine the votes and skew the system...again....

DeJoy...has pledged to modernize the... agency to make it more efficient. He eliminated most overtime for postal workers, imposed restrictions on transportation and reduced...the quantity and use of mail-processing equipment.

If this is modernization, give me old fashioned anytime.

Whatever happened to just plain old fashioned voting? It worked for well over 200 years. Sounds much like a circus of clowns out there.

Democrats are doing everything to undermine the votes and skew the system...again....

Yeah, ensuring that the postal system delivers mail on time is so crooked.

> rgcivilian1Today  08:05 am JST

Whatever happened to just plain old fashioned voting? It worked for well over 200 years

There has been 'mail in voting' in some form or another since the American Civil War. It's worked well for 160 years. It's only now, with Trump knowing how unpopular he is, that it's suddenly a problem, because he's looking for an excuse.

“I want to make the post office great again,” Trump said on “Fox & Friends.”

Uh huh.

Trump says he'll sign USPS funding if Democrats make concessions

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512064-trump-says-hed-sign-usps-funding-if-democrats-make-concessions

President Trump on Friday said he will approve billions of dollars in funding for the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) as part of a coronavirus relief package if Democrats make concessions on certain White House priorities.

@farmboy, Well said!

same story every single day here.

If Dems want money for the Post Office, pass a bill with money for the Post Office. Not a bill that also has money for stimulus checks for illegals and bailouts of Dem cities. Just a simple Post Office ONLY bill.

But Dems cant, why?

most of the liberal media ignoring this, cause "the narrative" and all.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/postal-service-flashback-obama-admin-removed-thousands-of-mailboxes

USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes

2016 report: 'Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years'

Mail has been delivered in a whatever washes up in your mailbox for many, many months. In fact delivery was to be set to a 5 day delivery week of Monday through Friday this summer but never happened.

Pelosi's White House West has never been to a post office because the U. S. government pays the postage.

If you want the ballots delivered, then pay the postage needed. Bulk rate is not working under a bankrupt agency that has been sucking on the teet of the American tax payer for decades.

Its not rocket science, just pay the rate or accept the delivery date.

Bingo! EXACTLY!

Only those who knowingly argue a wrong cause are scared of a counter argument!!

Or else they can't defend their position.

“Wouldn’t do that,” Trump told reporters Monday at the White House. “I have encouraged everybody: Speed up the mail, not slow the mail.”

Another lie added to the few hundred thousand he has racked up in 3 years.

This is what he said a few days earlier

“Now, they need that money in order to make the Post Office work, so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview on Fox Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo. He added: “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting, because they’re not equipped.”

If the GOP was not neutered they would have got rid of this person who wants to sabotage our democracy.

There should be protests against trump like they are doing in Belarus, one successfully committed fraud in an election, trump with the support of racists and bigots is on his way to doing so.

Mail has been delivered in a whatever washes up in your mailbox for many, many months. In fact delivery was to be set to a 5 day delivery week of Monday through Friday this summer but never happened.

Pelosi's White House West has never been to a post office because the U. S. government pays the postage.

If you want the ballots delivered, then pay the postage needed. Bulk rate is not working under a bankrupt agency that has been sucking on the teet of the American tax payer for decades.

Its not rocket science, just pay the rate or accept the delivery date.

The removal of these sorting machines, and a series of harsh/brutal cost reduction measures are intended to enable U.S. Postal Service to reduce its expenses and attempt to improve profitability.

We also found that on average nationally, the Postal Service was not meeting its SPSS productivity goal by about 17 percent from January 1, 2016, through July 31, 2017. The productivity was based on the average number of packages sorted by SPSS compared to employee work-hours used to staff the SPSS machines. The SPSS productivity goal was 385 packages per hour and the achieved productivity was 319 packages per hour. Twenty-nine of the 33 SPSS machines, or about 88 percent, failed to meet the goal, and the other four were above the goal, from about 14 to 307 packages per workhour.

Small Package Sorting System Performance

https://www.uspsoig.gov/document/small-package-sorting-system-performance

FSS Comes up Short

https://www.uspsoig.gov/blog/fss-comes-short

It does appear that the U.S. Postal Service business model has been failing for some time.

However, the removal of these machines before November’s election is appalling timing and ill advised.  

No matter how must investment is thrown at this issue, the U.S. Postal Service is clearly not up to the task to handle large scale mail-in/postal balloting.

or dont leave the fate of your precious vote to the post office when you never have before.

Absentee voting is for people who are absent. Not people who live 15 mins from the poling station but dont even care enough about Biden to stand in line for an hour with social distancing and a mask (those work, right?)

There is no pandemic. there is no epidemic. Go vote just like you go protest (liberals) or how you go to the store ( non liberals).

Or else they can't defend their position.

Democrats never can, if they can then why won’t Biden and Harris give any interviews?

Donald Trump:Replacing well-paying, stable postal service work with pork for his "job creators". Look, here is one of his biggest job creators: https://www.worldhunger.org/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-public-assistance/

Democrats never can, if they can then why won’t Biden and Harris give any interviews?

The GOP never can, why didn't trump answer the Huffpost reporter when he called him out on his continuous lies!!!!

If you want the ballots delivered, then pay the postage needed.

Paying the postage is of no use if you can't find a mail box, if there is not enough people working at the post office, if the sorting machines can't cope with the numbers, if there aren't enough mail men to deliver.

“If carefully done, according to the guidelines, there is no reason why you shouldn’t be able to do that (vote at polling place).” Doctor Anthony Fauci

Biden may not be the most wonderful pick but there are a helluva lot of Americans who will pick anyone other than Trump. Also, DeJoy has major conflicts of interest in that: 'While he divested some investments before taking on his role (shares in UPS and Amazon), he did not divest his $30-$75 million equity stake in XPO, a subcontractor for USPS. Additionally, when he sold his Amazon shares, he purchased stock options in the company that represent between 20-100% of his prior holdings.' (wiki). No wonder Trump picked him.

“If carefully done, according to the guidelines, there is no reason why you shouldn’t be able to do that (vote at polling place).” Doctor Anthony Fauci

The king of cherry-picking does it again.

“If carefully done, according to the guidelines, there is no reason why you shouldn’t be able to do that (vote at polling place).” Doctor Anthony Fauci

As liberals keep telling us, listen to the medical experts they know best, especially Dr. Fauci.

With just smidgen under eighty nine days before the election, time is of the essence.

Unless U.S. Postal Service dreams up a solution similar to "five loaves and two fishes". there isn't the resource available, or the means or the time to rectify the situation.

U.S. Postal Service cannot just conjure up trained staff capable of handling a bulk election mail service on the scale that can adequately/confidently process securely an operation such as a US election mail-in service.

yep, you hate Trump guys have to decide. Is Fauci the expert or not?

He says people can go vote, so go vote. Your team can protest outside peoples houses, so go vote. Can loot stores, so go vote.

This whole Post Office thing is actually irrelevant if the only ballots they have to process are the usual absentee ballots.

there is no reason why you shouldn’t be able to do that (vote at polling place).

I think Dr Fauci was probably assuming you can find a polling place nearby. There are many many ways you can carry out voter suppression. The republicans have plenty of experience.

But liberals hate Trump so much you would drive hours and hours and stand in line all day long to vote against him, wouldnt you?

Or you will only vote for Biden if someone brings a ballot to your house (without you having to make any effort to even ask for it) and then comes and picks it up? Weak enthusiasm, indeed.

I think Dr Fauci was probably assuming you can find a polling place nearby.

yep, you hate Trump guys have to decide. Is Fauci the expert or not?

Do you have any memory at all?

Yes, I remember Fauci said we dont need masks, then we did.

Now I remember hearing Fauci says its safe to vote, after he said it wasnt.

So go vote, your expert (not mine) said its fine.

Seeing as you trusted everything he said until now, no reason to not trust him on this too. In person voting solves the Post Office issue without spending any money.

Blacklabel:. Absentee voting is for people who are absent.

Used to be, but not anymore. Only a handful of states make you give a reason nowadays. For those that do, they don't check to see if it's true or not. The word "absentee" itself is becoming infrequently used

Times have changed.

but dont even care enough about Biden to stand in line for an hour

An hour? Try up to 6 hours here in Arizona during the last election. As a business owner are you willing to let your staff leave for what could be a chunk of the day to go and vote?

certainly, Its once in 4 years. We have a paid day off for such things, naturally. Vote in person.

As a business owner are you willing to let your staff leave for what could be a chunk of the day to go and vote?

An hour? Try up to 6 hours here in Arizona during the last election.

A lot has changed with Biden since then, let's see if he can get through a lot of hard hitting interviews.

Blacklabel:. We have a paid day off for such things

You have a paid day off to vote?

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi  Photo: AP

Take a good look at this photo. Now, add that to all the BS we have had to put up with from her over her decades in Congress. Is she really fit to be 2nd in line to the presidency of the United States after the vice president?

There are many many ways you can carry out voter suppression. 

Sorry but voter ID is not voter suppression.

Nonsense, tell the truth Fauci said it’s safe if people follow the rules and wear masks.

If every registered voter in the country voted by mail, it would still be 20 times less than what the post delivers during Christmas,

The problem with standing in line to vote now is that right wing nut governors have reduced the number of polling places so much, that people is some states had to wait 5 hours or more in line. Want to stand and wait five hours if it’s remaining, snowing, windy?

Sure, if you keep distance and wear masks, you have a reduced risk, but let’s not forget that there are plenty of nutters who won’t wear masks.

Another problem is that many of the polling place volunteers are older, more vulnerable people who will be exposed to hundreds of people, including the nutters who will refuse to wear a mask.

Joe Blow:. Sorry but voter ID is not voter suppression.

It is when you choose specific IDs that your party has more of.

For example:. Students. States have said student IDs can't be used for voting besides zero evidence of student voter fraud. Guess which way younger people vote?

Then allow gun permits as acceptable ID. Guess which way they are most likely to vote?

North Carolina wasn't shy about this. They requested a breakdown of what forms of ID people use by race. They banned the ones most used by minorities.

It's not about "showing ID.". It's a way to manipulate.

Take a good look at this photo.

OK...

Is she really fit to be 2nd in line to the presidency of the United States after the vice president?

Gosh, you're right! It should be first finger and thumb, all other fingers raised in a garland around them.

How's her air-accordion?

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Yawn.  Another phony Democrat outrage about a non-issue.  The PG should mail his testimony in to the House.

It will be fun to watch DeJoy's testimony !!

His murky business dealings , conflicts of interest and lack of spine will be taken apart.

Barr was a seasoned liar and got away light, let's see how another of trump's corrupt lackey fares.

Lying before the house is a crime, so watching DeJoy try to hide his obvious obstruction of a democracy will be fun to watch!!!

I'll get my popcorn.

It is when you choose specific IDs that your party has more of.

For example:. Students. States have said student IDs can't be used for voting besides zero evidence of student voter fraud.

Students can't? Where? More than plenty of evidence, California alone is king of voter fraud.

Then allow gun permits as acceptable ID. Guess which way they are most likely to vote?

You have to apply and they all have ID photos

https://maxarmory.com/collections/custom-id-cards

It's not about "showing ID.". It's a way to manipulate.

It is definitely about ID.

Take a good look at this photo. Now, add that to all the BS we have had to put up with from her over her decades in Congress. Is she really fit to be 2nd in line to the presidency of the United States after the vice president?

Yes. Anything else is just BS.

not just for voting, but voting falls into the same category of paid days off for volunteer activities and other civic responsibilities, such as jury duty.

If its such a problem why didnt Dems pass legislation to have vote on Saturday? (because they know the enthusiasm is so low that people wont vote on weekend.)

You have a paid day off to vote?

same as Barr. Will just make wild accusations, scream "reclaiming my time", make some more accusations, then never get around to even asking a question as time expires.

It will be fun to watch DeJoy's testimony !!

His murky business dealings , conflicts of interest and lack of spine will be taken apart.

Barr was a seasoned liar and got away light, let's see how another of trump's corrupt lackey fares.

Blacklabel:. not just for voting, but voting falls into the same category of paid days off for volunteer activities and other civic responsibilities, such as jury duty.

Awesome. So when 60% of your staff asks for the same day off you're OK with that?

Dont even need ID at all if you voted before. Which IDs do you recommend that are "banned" because minorities use them?

What to bring

If you've voted in North Carolina before, you don't need to show ID to vote.

If you're a first-time voter who registered by mail, and didn't provide your driver's license number or the last 4 digits of your Social Security number on your registration form, you will need to show ID to vote. Acceptable forms include: a driver's license or state ID; US Passport; employee ID; student ID; military ID; or a copy of a utility bill, bank statement or paycheck.

Voters without ID: If you are unable to provide ID, you will still be able to vote a provisional ballot and can bring one of these documents to the board of elections prior to canvass.

what living human would not have ONE of these?

Acceptable forms include: a driver's license or state ID; US Passport; employee ID; student ID; military ID; or a copy of a utility bill, bank statement or paycheck.

Don't worry, Trump will be President 4 more years guaranteed. If he wins then he wins. But if he loses then he will refuse to leave and his reporters will guard the WH with their guns and their lives to make sure he stays in power.

John Kasich and other Republicans to speak in favor of Biden at Democratic convention

(news source)

How often does that happen? If Trump drops out and John Kasich takes over there is a pretty good chance I would vote for him over Biden. I wish something like that would happen.

Black:. Dont even need ID at all if you voted before. Which IDs do you recommend that are "banned" because minorities use them?

Oh, boy. You are using the GOP's loss as something they fought for.

Supreme Court Declines Republican Bid To Revive North Carolina Voter ID Law

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/15/528457693/supreme-court-declines-republican-bid-to-revive-north-carolina-voter-id-law

In its ruling, the appeals court said the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people. North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision," the court said.

The state appealed to the Supreme Court, which refused to reinstate the law in time for elections.

In its ruling, the appeals court said the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people. North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision," the court said.

What a load of crap! If there WERE such a thing as voter suppression Obama would never have won twice, Talib, Cortez and Omar wouldn't have won if there were widespread suppression.

Don't worry, Trump will be President 4 more years guaranteed. If he wins then he wins. But if he loses then he will refuse to leave and his reporters will guard the WH with their guns and their lives to make sure he stays in power.

Please stop with the conspiracy theories. And by the way, if he's guaranteed to be president for 4 more years, how is it possible he will lose? Make up your mind, lol.

This is the first time in U.S. history that an entire political party has spent their entire time in office making up fake scandal after scandal about the president instead of passing legislation to help the people they are suppose to be representing. They are literally getting paid a hefty salary from our tax dollars and not doing their job at all. Its no wonder their cities have turned to crap, they don't even care about them at all, they only care about attacking Trump.

What a load of crap! If there WERE such a thing as voter suppression Obama would never have won twice, Talib, Cortez and Omar wouldn't have won if there were widespread suppression.

This is completely wrong.

Please stop with the conspiracy theories. And by the way, if he's guaranteed to be president for 4 more years, how is it possible he will lose? Make up your mind, lol.

nishikat explained his reasoning. I thought nishikat has been overly paranoid in the past - but then Trump said he won't accept the election result if he loses, that he wants to postpone the election, that he wants a "do-over" third term, and that he wants to be president for life. All flagrant violations of the law. All supported by the far-right GOP.

Bass:. What a load of crap!

You are welcome to say that the Supreme Court has no idea what it's doing. But it's not a very compelling argument coming from a partisan political participant.

This is completely wrong.

That we have No voter Suppression? I agree, if not then how could 92% of Black people vote for Obama...twice?

That we have No voter Suppression? I agree, if not then how could 92% of Black people vote for Obama...twice?

That's 92% of the black people who voted. That doesn't include those whose votes were not counted, for whatever reason, including well-documented GOP efforts to disenfranchise minorities.

You are welcome to say that the Supreme Court has no idea what it's doing. But it's not a very compelling argument coming from a partisan political participant.

I didn't imply that, I am just saying that voter fraud is widespread, California severely as well as Nevada and Florida

I dont know what types of ID the GOP was trying to "ban" for minorities.

But I wouldnt accept an employee ID or a copy of a utility payment as an official ID for something as critical as voting either. Regardless, it didnt work and all those ID are valid, so no impact on voting.

Oh, boy. You are using the GOP's loss as something they fought for.

what living human would not have ONE of these?

I'll forgive you assuming over 95% of the world's population are not defined as 'living human'...

a driver's license or state ID

Anyone who don't drive...

US Passport*

I understand lots of Americans - more than half? - don't have a passport?

employee ID

Anyone self-employed, or sahm

student ID

Anyone not a student...

military ID*

Anyone who's never been in the military

a copy of a utility bill, bank statement *

Addressed to the head of household?

paycheck.*

see above, sahm

I really don't understand all this fuss about voter ID and vote suppression. Here in Japan everyone is registered with the local authorities, at election time all those eligible (right age, right nationality) to vote are sent a postcard that they take to the polling station, and they vote. Couldn't be easier. Why is it so difficult in the US?

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That's 92% of the black people who voted. That doesn't include those whose votes were not counted,

McCain and Romney ate Obama's dust twice over and that's still not enough for liberals? In that case, then the same was with Trump of so many votes that were counted.

for whatever reason, including well-documented GOP efforts to disenfranchise minorities.

Hardly, let's see what allure they have just by sitting in the basement without answering tough questions.

Bass:. That we have No voter Suppression? I agree, if not then how could 92% of Black people vote for Obama

It means that 92% of black people who could vote voted for Obama. It does nothing to support your position that voter suppression exists.

I know you don't understand that, and I'm sorry

*doesn't exist

I really don't understand all this fuss about voter ID and vote suppression. Here in Japan everyone is registered with the local authorities, at election time all those eligible (right age, right nationality) to vote are sent a postcard that they take to the polling station, and they vote. Couldn't be easier. Why is it so difficult in the US?

It isn't difficult at all. The GOP want to make it difficult so that they can disenfranchise minorities.

It is amazing to see how people now suddenly claim the Post Office is reliable. So reliable in fact, that they want to make the most important political decision rely on the service of the Post Office.

the topic was proof to vote in the state of North Carolina, USA.

There should be no one in that state who does not have at least one of those forms of ID. I wasnt talking about "the world" and I didnt say mutilple, I said ONE.

I'll forgive you assuming over 95% of the world's population are not defined as 'living human'...

>

Trump said he uncovered massive voter fraud and that this meant he won the legitimate popular vote in 2016.

Did he get to the bottom of this and sort it out?

Black:.  dont know what types of ID the GOP was trying to "ban" for minorities.

It's in the court ruling. Give it a read.

I didnt really care because it didnt happen. But let me read it and see what they were up to.

Nevertheless people have ID. I dont buy this white liberal narrative that Black people somehow cant even figure out how to get an ID, dont have drivers licenses cause they dont own cars, dont have passports because they dont travel. Its very condescending to the Black community.

People have ID in the USA.

It basically said nothing. just you need to have photo ID. The rest is the voting process of where and how to vote or who is automatically registered.

I thought the GOP was "banning" the forms of ID that minorities use?? Black people dont have photo ID? seriously?

I dont see intent in this case.

"That fight began in 2013, when the state made cuts to early voting, created a photo ID requirement and eliminated same-day registration, out-of-precinct voting and preregistration of high school students.

"More than half of all voters there use early voting, and African-Americans do so at higher rates than whites. African-Americans also tend to overwhelmingly vote for Democrats."

McCain and Romney ate Obama's dust twice over and that's still not enough for liberals?

This doesn't address my point. Your contention is that 92% of black people voted for Obama; I'm saying that 92% of black people who voted voted for Obama.

Let me give you an example. Let's say that, somehow, Congress passed a law that said that of all the black people in America, only one black person, bass4funk, was allowed to vote. Every other black person was excluded. You are the only black person who could vote. In the election, you vote for Trump. While this would mean that Trump would receive 100% of the black vote, it does not mean that all the black people in American voted for Trump.

Take your time reading that. Now, do you understand?

In that case, then the same was with Trump of so many votes that were counted.

Could you rewrite this in English?

This doesn't address my point. Your contention is that 92% of black people voted for Obama; I'm saying that 92% of black people who voted voted for Obama.

So there is no such thing as voter suppression.

Let me give you an example. Let's say that, somehow, Congress passed a law that said that of all the black people in America, only one black person, bass4funk, was allowed to vote. Every other black person was excluded. You are the only black person who could vote. In the election, you vote for Trump. While this would mean that Trump would receive 100% of the black vote, it does not mean that all the black people in American voted for Trump.

I get your point and to that point the argument that Dems are the oppressed party is outright laughable. So don't worry, Dems are ok.

There should be no one in that state who does not have at least one of those forms of ID. I wasnt talking about "the world" and I didnt say mutilple, I said ONE.

Do you think an unemployed 19 year old who lives with their parents, isn't in school, doesn't have a passport and doesn't drive should lose their right to vote?

same as Barr. Will just make wild accusations, scream "reclaiming my time", make some more accusations, then never get around to even asking a question as time expires.

Barr has made a career of lying and cheating , but he still came across confused and incoherent.

Let's see what DeJoy does, he is a corrupt businessman for sure, but testifying under oath is a whole new game.

trump apparently shakes in fear every time the possibility of him testifying under oath comes up!!

So there is no such thing as voter suppression.

That is not a rational conclusion to draw. That is why I gave you the hypothetical situation where you are the only black person permitted to vote. I asked you to take your time reading it so that you could understand it fully, but I suppose I should have known you would not.

I get your point and to that point the argument that Dems are the oppressed party is outright laughable. So don't worry, Dems are ok.

You do not understand my point. I never claimed that the Democratic party is "oppressed".

That is not a rational conclusion to draw.

I absolutely think that it is.

You do not understand my point.

I do and very much so, but you don't understand my point that the allegations that the Dems present that their voices are not being heard within this process is an utter joke.

I absolutely think that it is.

You're wrong. "Not every black person in America" is not evidence that voter suppression does not exist; in fact, it is evidence in favor that it does.

I do and very much so, but you don't understand my point that the allegations that the Dems present that their voices are not being heard within this process is an utter joke.

Again, you're arguing against claims no-one made, and fighting opponents in your head.

You're wrong. "Not every black person in America" is not evidence that voter suppression does not exist; in fact, it is evidence in favor that it does.

I don't think I am wrong at all on this actually according to the history and facts, I think Democrats are and they still continue to play the victim. Give me a break!

I don't think I am wrong at all on this actually according to the history and facts, I think Democrats are and they still continue to play the victim. Give me a break!

You haven't presented any history or facts.

I did a few times today and a few times yesterday. It's all there to see.

You haven't. A court decision that proved the GOP is engaged in voter suppression was posted, and you said "nuh-uh". That's it.

requiring a photo ID isnt "voter suppression". People have photo IDs.

how did this happen when he was never allowed to speak?

You didnt even watch that, did you?

but he still came across confused and incoherent.

requiring a photo ID isnt "voter suppression". People have photo IDs.

It is. You still haven't explained why you think that people who, for whatever reason, don't have an ID, should have their rights taken away.

I did, you just don't want to read them, it's still there, please scroll up, even if you want to imagine it's not there scrolling will prove otherwise. But at any length the Dems hooping and whining won't mean much if they play the game right which I don't think they will, but hey....

requiring a photo ID isnt "voter suppression". People have photo IDs.

Exactly.

Barr came across badly?  not what I saw.....

And still not clear why everyone actujally believes that requiring someone to ID themselves properly to vote is somehow suppressing the Dem vote.

your right to vote (when somehow you cant get a photo ID that everyone else has) doesnt outweigh the right for the voting process to know who you are. that protects everyone's vote and is good for the whole community.

But these days the ID laws are so simple for voting you could probably pull up a social media profile and use that for ID. Still liberals scream "voter suppression", even when the turnout for voting is higher than the last election.

All these millions and millions of people wanted to vote for the Dem candidate, just couldnt somehow. so Dems lose again.

Black:. I didnt really care because it didnt happen

Great. The court case and the ruling never happened. And the Supreme Court didn't decide to pass on reviewing it.

Whatever helps get you through the day.

no, you claimed GOP banned the forms of ID that minorities use(?) and implied that means they cant vote.

Untrue. the GOP tried something to make photo ID the standard and was blocked. Somehow the court feels minorities have difficulties to get photo ID. So no changes were made at all.

So everyone can vote, using even a phone bill as a form of ID, great news! everyone go vote out that organge dotard! Cause I dont want to hear excuses when you lose....again.

your right to vote (when somehow you cant get a photo ID that everyone else has) doesnt outweigh the right for the voting process to know who you are. that protects everyone's vote and is good for the whole community.

The process already knows who people are. That's why voting fraud is so low in the US.

Your right to vote absolutely outweighs whether or not you have ID, something which is not compulsory in the US.

But these days the ID laws are so simple for voting you could probably pull up a social media profile and use that for ID.

No, you can't.

Still liberals scream "voter suppression", even when the turnout for voting is higher than the last election.

Higher turnouts do not mean voter suppression did not take place.

All these millions and millions of people wanted to vote for the Dem candidate, just couldnt somehow. so Dems lose again.

Democratic politicians actually typically win more votes than Republicans anyway. But in the US, getting more votes doesn't necessarily mean you win.

Sure its does. In every single type of election except President. To prevent NY and CA from electing who they want, as the USA is thankfully much much more as a whole than just what those 2 places want.

Democratic politicians actually typically win more votes than Republicans anyway. But in the US, getting more votes doesn't necessarily mean you win.

Well California has been king of all the Voter fraud for a long time and there is more than enough evidence to prove and confirm that when you have some of the most liberal newspapers commenting on that, that is very telling.

how is this possible with "voter suppression" then?

Democratic politicians actually typically win more votes than Republicans anyway.

Sure its does. In every single type of election except President. 

Gerrymandering exists.

Well California has been king of all the Voter fraud for a long time and there is more than enough evidence to prove and confirm that when you have some of the most liberal newspapers commenting on that, that is very telling.

You've presented no evidence of this.

not for Senate or President. and still the person with the most votes wins.

Gerrymandering exists.

Blacklabel:. no, you claimed GOP banned the forms of ID that minorities use(?)

What's the purpose of the question mark? Didn't bother research the ruling?

I think we are done for the night. No need debating with someone who feels like he doesn't need to read the actual ruling.

Bass:. Well California has been king of all the Voter fraud

Yep. Clinton won by 8 million votes. Thank God for those 3 million illegal votes or else she would have lost.