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Anger over police killings boils over in several U.S. cities

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These are not protests, this is rioting, domestic terrorism. It should be handle accordingly.

-3 ( +24 / -27 )

US cops have an occupying army mentality.

Time to ditch the black paramilitary uniforms and go back to pressed blue dress shirts with a necktie and clearly visible badge along with a proper cap. They should also be wearing pressed dress pants instead of those video game urban combat pants.

Ditch the black cruisers and APCs as well.

Mandatory Sirs, Ma'ams, Please and Thank you.

16 ( +23 / -7 )

The full blame is on major US media and not the officers or the rioters themselves for fanning the smoke where there was no fire. The SUB was caught committing a crime, under the influence of a substance, resisted arrest among the few and according to the autopsy passed away from his own health issues with high blood pressure, bad heart system, and poor dieting, but yet managed to keep taking substances and no proper hygiene diet. Since when did committing crimes take a back seat to news? Laws are written to be enforced for civil rest not civil unrest i.e. rioting, looting, property damages. Had the individual not placed himself and used better judgement by not committing a crime, well his chances of being around today were much higher but the inevitable drinking, drugs and bad food diet would catch up as well, it was just sped up. Either way the autopsy stands, the major media and its hype for news is to blame.

-9 ( +16 / -25 )

Disgust over generations of racism in a country founded by slaveholders combined with a string of recent high-profile killings to stoke the anger

And a current president unwilling to acknowledge that for fear of losing those in his base also unwilling to acknowledge US ugly history and the current reality that institutional racism persists. The founding fathers refused to count slaves as 'whole' people. They only allowed 3 out of 5 to be counted as such.

3 ( +15 / -12 )

The US is a failed and dying state and dying animals can be very dangerous....

20 ( +26 / -6 )

And now not only in America. Over the weekend, protests across Britain supporting the Black Lives Matter. One protest was outside the American Embassy in London.

Other demonstrations outside the American embassy in Berlin.

First the Covid-19 and now the brutal killing of a black guy leading to protests, riots and looting. Trump has lost control of the country.

The lead in to the November elections he will need to recover the economy and return the country to pre Covid-19, but only five months to the ballot boxes. Tall order.

3 ( +13 / -10 )

What happened this time in the civilized country America is not different we see in Africa and South America - rioting, looting etc. etc. Police brutality reminded me the movie "Godfather." If you want to understand U.S. truly, you have see "Godfather" movie series.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

It would be nice if more journalists would defend their own. When MSNBC anchor Ali Velshi says his crew raised their hands and said "We're press!" and the police replied "We don't care" and fired on them, that's an assault not just on Velshi, but on the foundations of a free society.

Honest police should want cameras to be on them, to record their lawful actions. That's what the movement toward dash cams and personal cams is about, Police who attack people filming them have to be presumed to have an unlawful intent.

25 ( +30 / -5 )

Buildings are replaceable,lives aren't.

9 ( +15 / -6 )

A designated state officer had his knee on the neck of a handcuffed citizen for 8 minutes untill death, think that's a cause for anger, instead of sending in the army? How about addressing the brutality and training of officers who are citizens too! Might be too hard. They are special. If I had my knee pressed on an officers neck for 8 minutes pretty sure I'd spend the next 300 years in jail.

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@rgcivilian1

Okay friend, let's talk:

"The SUB was caught committing a crime"

Allegedly. Guess that doesn't matter now.

"resisted arrest"

Video disproving this exists.

"passed away from his own health issues with high blood pressure, bad heart system, and poor dieting, but yet managed to keep taking substances and no proper hygiene diet."

His supposed "health issues and hygiene" are not the case here. You're forgetting that totally unneeded 8+ minute knee to the neck. It's almost like you need oxygen to breathe...

14 ( +23 / -9 )

It is interesting that it is happening during the supposed lockdown. There were very few protests for the other deaths caused by police. Maybe without the lockdown people would be more relaxed.

-12 ( +4 / -16 )

CSToday  06:56 am JST

These are not protests, this is rioting, domestic terrorism. It should be handle accordingly.

Considering that it's in a country that started with a so-called 'Boston Massacre' along with a bunch of men breaking onto a docked ship and destroying 92,000 pounds of tea (roughly $1 million USD today).

https://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-boston-tea-party

In fact, such 'tea parties' were repeated multiple times in multiple cities throughout the colonies.

So I'm sure King George had more than a few people saying 'it should be handled accordingly.'

-7 ( +6 / -13 )

Just a question to those posters who strongly touted their unfettered right to freedom during the stay-at-home orders.  Are you going to defy the Trump endorsed curfews as it is your claimed constitutional right to go wherever you want, whenever you want?

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The moment peaceful protest turns to riot and endangers the lives and property of law abiding citizens then the authorities have every right to use force. Lethal force if necessary.

-6 ( +10 / -16 )

Disgust over generations of racism in a country founded by slaveholders

This is the garbage that's the cause of the violent riots--not the protests, but the looting and arson. The news and politicians use the sickening rhetoric to excuse the behavior of criminals. The truth is, these cities are on fire because politicians are telling police forces to soft peddle so these white liberal politicians can appear to the public as "good, understanding white people"

-9 ( +10 / -19 )

The race-bating is getting really old. Divide and conquer..

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Floyd was an ex con, footage of the altercation shows him to be uncooperative - there was an escalation!

Why would Floyd have resisted?

I have been in police cruisers before but never kicking off as Floyd did.

I question why he did that

Of course, the actions of law enforcement removing him from the car and the subsequent treatment needs to be investigated without doubt-the resulting protests to bring anarchy in the US are not going to solve anything

-5 ( +11 / -16 )

he news and politicians use the sickening rhetoric to excuse the behavior of criminals.

Trump, his fellow Republicans and their media are using sickening rhetoric to appeal to Trump's far right base, most from their same majority demographic. They're doing little if anything to appeal to the nation as a whole. Divide and conquer: the age old despot's tactic.

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The moment peaceful protest turns to riot and endangers the lives and property of law abiding citizens then the authorities have every right to use force. Lethal force if necessary.

And if the people arm themselves and exercise their god-given right to overthrow a tyrannical government?

-4 ( +13 / -17 )

Sorry, God-given second-amendment right.

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rgcivilian1Today 07:00 am JST

The full blame is on major US media and not the officers or the rioters themselves for fanning the smoke where there was no fire. The SUB was caught committing a crime, under the influence of a substance, resisted arrest among the few and according to the autopsy passed away from his own health issues with high blood pressure, bad heart system, and poor dieting, but yet managed to keep taking substances and no proper hygiene diet.

You seem to be saying that a person in good health would have survived being beaten and then strangled with a foot on their neck, and Mr. Floyd only died because of his health.

I'd like to ask you two questions. First, is it somehow justifiable for the police to use brutal force that results in death against an non-violent suspect; and secondly, do the police not have a responsibility to treat older people who have obvious health conditions with care when they make an arrest, or do you think it is justifiable for the police to beat them and strangle them.

There's another video out there of a police officer shoving down two elderly men who are using canes to walk because they did not move out of the way fast enough. I suppose those two elderly are also responsible for any injuries the police inflicted on them?

I'd also like to remind you that the police in question have been fired for using excessive force, and the one who strangled Mr. Floyd was charged with murder.

You need to look deep inside yourself and ask why you are siding with violent racists. Even if it had been found that Mr. Floyd had committed forgery, he did not deserve to be beaten, strangled, and murdered - in full view of the public.

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Floyd may have been the most despicable human ever before being pinned down, or a saint. It doesn’t matter which. Once he was incapacitated, he should have been placed in restraints. Not restrained until, and then for a full two minutes after, he stopped breathing.

The police are there to serve and protect. Not kill and protect their own ass.

9 ( +20 / -11 )

If people want change then the ballot box is the way NOT violent anarchy!

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kurisupisuToday 07:47 am JST

Floyd was an ex con, footage of the altercation shows him to be uncooperative - there was an escalation!

Why would Floyd have resisted?

Video showed Mr. Floyd being beaten in the back of the police car while another officer stood guard outside. If you had just been beaten by the police, I doubt you would be in a calm and cooperative frame of mind.

I have been in police cruisers before but never kicking off as Floyd did. I question why he did that.

Are you a black man who has witnessed multiple murders of black men by the police? Have you ever lived in fear that the police would murder you? Have you ever been beaten by the police? If not, then I daresay you cannot understand Mr. Floyd's mind because you have not had his experiences.

Of course, the actions of law enforcement removing him from the car and the subsequent treatment needs to be investigated without doubt-the resulting protests to bring anarchy in the US are not going to solve anything

"Riots are the language of the unheard." - MLK

1 ( +14 / -13 )

Seems to be a lot of authoritarians when it's "someone else who is doing something they don't like" who suddenly become libertarian when it's "their unalienable right". Unless you grew up in a community that routinely experiences what the police have to offer, you don't know and you should realize that you are fortunate.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

Floyd may have been the most despicable human ever before being pinned down, or a saint. It doesn’t matter which. Once he was incapacitated, he should have been placed in restraints. Not restrained until, and then for a full two minutes after, he stopped breathing. 

The police are there to serve and protect. Not kill and protect their own ass.

Apparently it’s all the media’s fault.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

Since Trump was elected, hate crimes have risen at a higher than normal rate.

A simple google search will show FBI and other unimpeachable valid reports verify this as well as reports that police target minorities for killing more than any other.

This one protest is about ALL of those incidence and a president who incites it.

The people have said stop or else. It did not stop. This is the "or else." People who are being systematically killed by their own government are no longer obliged by any laws to "act civilized."

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well well well ,unfortunately, u.s is going down the toilet.

Violence is normal in u.s. Shooting people is normal in u.s too.

u.s is not place to live in in peace anymore folks.

it will be worst. i feel for the man Who was killed by police.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

The moment peaceful protest turns to riot and endangers the lives and property of law abiding citizens then the authorities have every right to use force. Lethal force if necessary.

except in the case of Hong Kong.

In fact, such 'tea parties' were repeated multiple times in multiple cities throughout the colonies.

Yes, this is their tea party happening even in places like North Dakota.

The full blame is on major US media and not the officers or the rioters themselves for fanning the smoke where there was no fire. 

Part of the blame if at all.

DC mayor declares curfew effective at 11 PM ET. 

Extend it to 24 hours for Covid-19. Two birds.

“The mistakes that are happening are not mistakes. They’re repeated violent terrorist offenses, and people need to stop killing black people,” 

Or just stop killing people unnecessarily. Can’t have law enforcement breaking the law.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Please protest peacefully. It won’t get you anywhere, but it will make you feel good, like you did something.

The violence was hijacked days ago by whoever. The guy breaking the Autozone window, pallets of bricks dropped off near hot spots). The elite establishment could care less. If they really wanted to change things, they should target the banks, corporate headquarters (big pharma, media, MIC, to name a few), Wall Street, and definitely the Federal Reserve. The MSM is making a killing on the chaos, and with articles like the one above, following the elite corporate establishments narrative.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Are you a black man who has witnessed multiple murders of black men by the police? Have you ever lived in fear that the police would murder you? Have you ever been beaten by the police? If not, then I daresay you cannot understand Mr. Floyd's mind because you have not had his experiences.

And

Unless you grew up in a community that routinely experiences what the police have to offer, you don't know and you should realize that you are fortunate.

This has become gospel in the white, guilt-ridden liberal community. And it's an excuse for black criminality as way of saying sorry for slavery. And it says blacks are special in a patronizing manner. Don't get me wrong, criminals don't deserve to be summarily executed. But the conversation needs to be courageous through and through. White cops are not hunting blacks down like prey. Blacks come into contact with cops more frequently because they commit crimes at a higher rate. It's ugly to say--yes. We can blame it on slavery and poverty; but nonetheless the statistics bare ot out. Blacks have already been fed the narrative from birth that cops, society, the environment, and diseases are out there unfairly seeking them out. Then there's the cop, who's mentally drained and who's even grown hateful because he has to deal with this criminality incessantly. One is frustrated and hateful, and the other one already believes he's being targeted because he's black and not because of the crime he's committing. Both individuals are already neurotic when they meet. It's a recipe for disaster. And white liberals, in there desire to be "good white people" perpetuate this dysfunction. Let's remember, the cops came into contact with Floyd because he was committing a crime. Maybe if Chauvin wasn't an abuser of his police powers, and if Floyd wasn't a criminal, we wouldn't be on fire right now.

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

Had the individual not placed himself and used better judgement by not committing a crime

Which ignores the children killed in a hail of police bullets when cops decided to fire on cars despite no shots coming from said car. Which ignores those killed by cops over a dubious noise complaint made by a citizen. Which ignores how citizens died protecting themselves from a gang of thugs who kicked their door in a 3 a.m. that turned out to be cops on a no knock raid at the wrong address. Which ignores the little toddler girl strapped in her car seat who had her face torn up by a police dog as her innocent father was held at gunpoint. Which ignores cops signaling sniffer dogs to get them to falsely signal for drugs so they can illegally search cars. Which ignores the many cases of drug and weapon planting by cops.

This is a nationwide and decades old epidemic of police corruption, harassment and murder. The only mildly guilty of non-violent crime are being murdered Judge Dredd style. Also the completely innocent are being murdered in numbers we can no longer excuse by stupidity but can see is simply pure evil. The internet is full of articles and videos of U.S. police abuses the system allowing them to walk away from it all. The only thing surprising is that the people have generally tolerated it this long all the while carrying a completely unjustified adoration of police.

3 ( +7 / -4 )

the US 's bad records for racial discrimination against minority people has been there for long time.Floyd's case is only one of many.the protests and riots just erupt as the injustice breaks the limits.it is really the time the US politician to reflect.

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Since Trump was elected, hate crimes have risen at a higher than normal rate.

Which is a mere scratch compared to the pile of innocent bodies the cops have racked up over the last few decades. Stop trying to divide us because of one stupid president. Stop trying to shift attention to him for what both Bushes, Clinton and Obama also presided over. Stop trying to push hate crime to the forefront when this is about cops murdering innocent citizens and violators of minor laws.

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@girl in tokyo

> Are you a black man who has witnessed multiple murders of black men by the police? Have you ever lived in fear that the police would murder you? Have you ever been beaten by the police? If not, then I daresay you cannot understand Mr. Floyd's mind because you have not had his experiences.

I would ask you why Mr Floyd allowed himself to have multiple encounters with the police, one of which involved robbing a woman by pressing a gun into her stomach and demanding money?

If Mr Floyd wanted to avoid the police then why was he following a life of crime?

The salient point is not understanding Mr Floyd by his experiences, it is why the police were called by a business holding counterfeit money.

Isn’t it dumb for anyone to continue to follow such a path?

Maybe you know the answer?

Also, in the US black on black killing far outnumbers blacks being killed by cops.

Why is that?

Is it part of black culture?

And your last quoted comment suggests that you don’t approve of communication but violence..

Are you saying that you really approve of rioting?

-1 ( +8 / -9 )

Im watching coverage of people of all races, running into stores, grabbing items, making a run for it, all the while the camera rolls catching ID and licences. So, yes, a black man was killed by a thug racist cop. In Arizona, not so long ago, a white young man was murdered by a white cop, and exonerated in court. Both videos and incidents enraged me. I cannot however, walk past a store with broken windows, or break the windows, and run in and grab, I have self control and internal checks that prevent that. Why are people doing that? Is taking something that is not yours, really about feeling remorseful or revengeful for the wrongful death of another person? I think not. What it is, is they dont have a job due to corona lock down or other reasons, and are using the wrongful death of a man by a dysfunctional police dept with unchecked accountability, as an excuse to steal. I hear Don Lemon, the voice of "reason" calling on hollywood elites to stand up for these young people. The same victimhood excuse non sense the perpetuates this anarchy, instead of doing real investigative reporting on why police brutality has increased. Its not that deep; lockdown means no jobs, that means frustration, then a murder by the state of a civilian ignites that and suddenly; stay safe stay sheltered is all out the window; its all about me now, Im the victim. Its selfish and psychotic on so many levels.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

The elite establishment could care less. If they really wanted to change things, they should target the banks, corporate headquarters (big pharma, media, MIC, to name a few), Wall Street, and definitely the Federal Reserve. The MSM is making a killing on the chaos, and with articles like the one above, following the elite corporate establishments narrative.

Fair points I suppose, but why did you leave out the problem of police brutality?

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3 month lockdown

Followed by rioting and demos.

And people complained here when people went to see the cherry blossom.

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Yeah I dont see any liberal complaints now about people not staying home.

So I guess you do have a right to protest during a pandemic.

The Biden campaign staff and Hollywood is paying money to help get protesters released from jail.

So they fully support all of this without realizing that actual protesters wouldnt be in jail in the first place. Just the Antifa instigators and other criminals such as looters, burners and people violently assaulting others.

0 ( +5 / -5 )

People are angry. Racism isn't the only thing, but it was the reason this started.

Trump doesn't help. He's a racist and because the justice system under him has been under constant attack by him, but for different reasons...he only cares to change it to save his own ass, and not to help the every day person on the street.

If he was a respected and fair POTUS, this would not be happening to the degree it is.

His words are not of wisdom. Not of peace. Not of care. People know his record on his own tenants toward black people in the past, and he leans toward white supremacy, even claiming there are fine people with them when they march in Charlottesville and kill for no reason other than anger. People are fed up with the white racist anger in America, and responding in the only way they believe idiots like Trump and Barr will listen.

Trump's had a bad few months and many know he doesn't make things better. He flames more fire by being an uncaring and ignorant jerk. Everything he ever says about white racist action has pauses and never feels genuine. Frankly, I don't believe he actually cares for Mr. Floyd's police brutality death. If he was at home, with no repercussion from being president, he'd probably would shrug and say 'oh well'. Many likely believe that, so they are protesting the president, too.

Just look to 'when the looting starts, shooting starts' as a ridiculous statement that most of us react with disbelief he can say something so f-ing dumb. Of course those words will fuel the fire.

0 ( +5 / -5 )

Since Trump was elected, hate crimes have risen at a higher than normal rate.

Actually as I recall, there were more school and other shootings during Obama and Bush than during Trump.

The excuse that Trump is inciting all this is total bull. Agreed, Trump is not the best leader when it comes to uniting; its just his charisma and I knew that from day 1. He does get things done behind the scenes and his sometimes ignorant mouth makes him transparent, something refreshing in a politician. What Trump says, has no relation to how I conduct myself. If Trump was replaced with a Biden or Hilary or whoever tomorrow, these people would still be doing what they do; exploiting an unfortunate opportunity to take and loot. There is a long precedent for this. Lets loot and riot and blame gov. then when white flight leaves your area and takes its tax base your back to square one, dysfunctional schools and a horse track for tax revenue. Its ignorance on a primitive level and Im ashamed of my country right now.

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

Trump, Trump, Trump.

Now do the Baltimore riots in 2015 and assign blame to the President there. or was that different?

2 ( +7 / -5 )

This is a nationwide and decades old epidemic of police corruption, harassment and murder.

I dont think its decades, it started after Bush turned the US into a police state, from that point it went downhill. Whats interesting is that MSM and local media, never investigate or hold accountable, elected officials. In this Minn case, I want to know the environment and drama that was in that dept. start at ground zero and do a complete audit, release it online. Im sick of elites and media and other useless pundits running their mouth. There are reasons for everything, usually simple in nature but difficult to solve because it takes effort.

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kurisupisuToday 09:02 am JST

I would ask you why Mr Floyd allowed himself to have multiple encounters with the police, one of which involved robbing a woman by pressing a gun into her stomach and demanding money?

This does not justify beating him and choking him to death.

If Mr Floyd wanted to avoid the police then why was he following a life of crime?

This does not justify beating him and choking him to death.

The salient point is not understanding Mr Floyd by his experiences, it is why the police were called by a business holding counterfeit money.

He was not charged nor convicted. And even if he had been caught red-handed with counterfit bills in his pocket, it still does not justify beating him and choking him to death.

May I direct your attention to the fact that the cops who beat him were all fired, and the one who choked him to death was charged with murder? Mr. Floyd was not charged at all, yet you are reitrerating that point as if it carries weight in an argument that justiies the police beating him and choking him to death.

It seems like you are saying that the person who was not charged nor convicted of a crime

Also, in the US black on black killing far outnumbers blacks being killed by cops.

Why is that?

Is it part of black culture?

This does not justify beating him and choking him to death.

And your last quoted comment suggests that you don’t approve of communication but violence..

"Riots are the language of the unheard." - MLK

When no one listens, there is no communication.

Case in point: you are continually trying to justify beating and choking a man to death. There doesn't seem to be any reasoning that will get through to you on what should be a very, very simple and basic point: no one deserves to be beaten and choked to death. No one. For any reason.

Are you saying that you really approve of rioting?

I'm saying that I understand it. Now let me ask you: are you saying you approve of beating and choking a man to death?

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Or Ferguson in 2014.

and what happened to the draconian lockdowns that were being enforced by police in these Dems states? Arresting women taking their kids to the park. Remember that? Now thousands of people can just run around the city together burning and stealing and the police cant even arrest them or even scold them?

Why are police not allowed to engage these people? Why is Hollywood and liberals bailing them out of jail?

That was an easy indicator these are Antifa and not "white supremacists" as ridiculously claimed.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

And your last quoted comment suggests that you don’t approve of communication but violence..

Are you saying that you really approve of rioting?

girl_in_tokyo, You approve of riots because you don't live in the riot zone. You would think differently about violence if it was at your front door.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

The lockdown protesters were not heard either.

Did they go burn a bunch of things, steal some expensive sneakers and then violently attack police?

Nope. The actions of these bad actors is overshadowing the message that people need to hear. What I see conflicts with what I know to be true (that what happened to Mr. Floyd was horrible and wrong)

"Riots are the language of the unheard." - MLK

0 ( +5 / -5 )

I would ask you why Mr Floyd allowed himself to have multiple encounters with the police, one of which involved robbing a woman by pressing a gun into her stomach and demanding money?

I repeat there is no excuse for any thug to be a policeman or commit murder

However I was not informed of this data by MSM or anywhere. Where did you get that?

That adds to the complexity of the case...and the accountability of reporting by that police dept

Without full and complete details, full transparency, there is nowhere to start

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Artemis RogersTo

aybe if Chauvin wasn't an abuser of his police powers, and if Floyd wasn't a criminal, we wouldn't be on fire right now.

Do you think someone's past criminal behavior is really relevent when it comes to police violence? The police harass and are violent towards black people who haven't committed any crimes at all. It's not that he had a criminal record - it's that he was back. End of story.

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Im not of the hyper conservative ilk who judge a person on the criminal record or ruin their life based on incidents. As we all know from living in Japan, incidents can be subjective

I do believe that for progress to be made, however, full transparency must be disclosed and then those facts, as uncomfortable as they are, must unpacked and drill down on each action/reaction, not just publishing cold stats. This is the job of media; a kind of watchful eye on those in power and also academia.

Im not seeing this today from MSM; instead Im seeing a more profit driven sick promotion of confusion and blame.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

The police brutality against blacks ain't new. About two-three a week are shot dead by them. They also shot white guys but lesser per capita numbers.

Protests get media attention, for a while. Riots and looting much longer.

Trump has lost it.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Do you think someone's past criminal behavior is really relevent when it comes to police violence?

Yes its very important as it influences decisions. MSM made it out to be he just used a counterfeit bill, unknowingly. We have all probably done that. They left out the part about the record. Its important to know because once the call was made, they pull up his strikes on their database. If a person is a repeat offender, there is a reason for it. Complacency by the system in rehabilitation, individual accountability, etc etc. All kind of things need to examined, but we need facts first, not drama filled rhetoric.

We also need to know the officers past conduct, claims made against him and action, if any , taken

The whole totality (accountability) is extremely important in a case like this

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Minneapolis. A blue, liberal town, with blue voters, a blue city hall, and blue cops. And yet, the killing of the hapless Floyd is somehow the fault of conservatives and Donald Trump.

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Do you think someone's past criminal behavior is really relevent when it comes to police violence? The police harass and are violent towards black people who haven't committed any crimes at all. It's not that he had a criminal record - it's that he was back. End of story.

No, I don't think the Floyd deserved to die. He should've have been brought downtown. But white liberals want to infantilize blacks in order to purge their guilt. Floyd--commiting a crime; Mike brown--commiting a crime; Eric Gardner--commiting a crime, Freddy gray, Jamar Clark, Rodney King, on and on and on. Are there racist cops and racist incident? Sure. But this idea that cops are riding around hunting innocent black people is pure garbage. What about Kelly Thompson? look at FBI statistics. Blacks are interacting with cops more frequently in disproportion to their population. People just want to focus on one part of the equation because we're so afraid of coming off as racist. But until the other side is dealt with honestly, things will never change.

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 'it should be handled accordingly.'

Ominous choice of words: "accordingly" can be interpreted in many ways depending on which side of the fence you stand. When authoritarians and fascists utter this word, some people will reach for their guns. Gil Scott-Heron famously said "the revolution will not be televised". We haven't yet reached that tipping point, but in our online world we are already watching Trump's MAGApocalypse.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

In tweets Sunday, Trump blamed anarchists and the media for fueling the violence. Attorney General William Barr pointed a finger at “far left extremist” groups. Police chiefs and politicians around the country accused outsiders of coming in and causing the problems.

Don't fall for the latest Trump con-job....these violent protesters are nothing but the same pro-Trump domestic terrorists that were lawlessly rampaging through our statehouses last week.

It's directly out of the Nixon Playbook - incite the violence, then blame your political opponents...

And most of all, distract from the over 100K deaths and 41 million unemployed that his incompetence has caused...

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

We don't know if Floyd had committed a crime because his life was cut short during the last 8 minutes and 43 seconds of his life and didn't survive to be tried. Innocent until proven guilty is the norm.

But even if he had committed a crime, his death was murder by a cop who has been charged and even his wife has filed for divorce in disgust of his violence. That officer had ten complaints against him over his 19 year career.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Trump has lost it.

Where is Harry and Meg? Enjoying LA?

Seems the protest have spread to London. Borris lost it as well?

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Gil Scott-Heron famously said "the revolution will not be televised". We haven't yet reached that tipping point, but in our online world we are already watching Trump's MAGApocalypse.

Let me ask you this. If that fantasy of yours becomes a reality, the total destruction of the "system" based on "white supremacy" therefore it must all be abolished, and just complete melt down...whats next?

White liberals would rebuild the world in their image? But the world if full of evil actors who dont agree, or care. Because the rest of the world is watching, seeing the obvious. Once it all falls, something more evil would be there to take its place, thats what would happen, and you would also see the obvious but it would be too late, you got what you asked for, and since you couldnt restrain or control yourself and crapped in your own bed for so long, a boot on your neck would be your new master.

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This is a crises on top of a crises on top of a crises. We still have a pandemic going on. You would think a country that can equip every cop like a soldier could equip every doctor like a doctor.

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  the total destruction of the "system" 

If you were using JT during the 2016 election you would have read many posters (US and 'foreign') write they supported Trump because he was going to 'take down the system', 'take it to the establishment', 'go after the elite'.

And now he's trying to do that, attacking elements fundamental to the republic like a free, for-profit press that questions him, attacking free speech when it goes against him, attacking the judicial system and the legislative branches and grabbing greater power for himself as executive. No wonder the Russians have been so active in supporting him.

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We don't know if Floyd had committed a crime because his life was cut short during the last 8 minutes and 43 seconds of his life and didn't survive to be tried. Innocent until proven guilty is the norm.

Well then why are people rioting now instead of waiting until the trial of the cop is over? Is he not innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

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But white liberals

This is happening under Trump. President Hillary is gone

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Welcome to Trump's America in 2020....

100K Americans are dead because he ignored the pandemic until it was too late, then botched the entire response...more deaths than Korea and Vietnam combined...

His failure to react swiftly and competently cratered the US economy, with over 41 million Americans unemployed - the largest number since the Great Depression...

He fans the flames of hate and racism, so that one race-related incident gets escalated into a national crisis not seen since the late 60's...

Makes one look fondly back to the time when the only crisis the far-right anarchists could manufacture was when the president wore a tan suit...

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Seems the protest have spread to London. Borris lost it as well?

He never had it to lose. Another poor leader.

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Colin Kaepernick tried peaceful protest. How did that work out?

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They've got you exactly where they want you.

Obama is on the verge of having his administration exposed as the most corrupt in history, yet he keeps running his mouth. His "Scandal Free" administration is about to receive a major smack down from the Durham report, and high profile individuals from his administration WILL be indicted. Just as predicted, the covid-19 "Pandemic" is losing steam fast, red states that have reopened are showing success so now we need a new distraction and here it is... the old racist cops standby. Bus a bunch of paid for violent thugs to cities all over the country to burn, loot, and cause mayhem because the DOW is starting to recover. Like Stormy Daniels, Russian collusion, Michael Cohen, and impeachment this too will fail. Every-time they let Biden out of his basement he gaffes all over himself, and he's 10 points ahead? Yeah, sure he is....

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What happened to social distancing?

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Change is coming, as most of the protesters seem to be the younger generation. Hopefully they will make a better example for their kids than the "adults" did.

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@nostromo

too true

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So my question is this: The video was released and it showed police brutality. No doubt. The police man was fired, and charged with murder. 3 other policemen at the scene have been fired and charges are pending. What exactly are the riots for? Protesting an unlawful killing makes sense. Riots do not. And what "justice" is being sought? The DA in Minneapolis is handling this, Trump has said the FBI is going to investigate, so how much more is being gained by violent riots and looting of stores?

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Hmmmm....protests surge around the White House....what does our courageous "wartime" President do...

The New York Times on Sunday reported that the president was taken to the bunker as demonstrators pulled metal barricades away from the White House gates Friday evening. According to CNN, he remained there for about an hour before returning to his residence. It was not clear if first lady Melania Trump and their son Barron accompanied him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-taken-to-underground-bunker-during-white-house-protests-reports/ar-BB14QRRc

He runs and hides....

"Mr President, we have some older, unarmed protesters outside the WH gates - what would you like to do?"

"Get me outta here!"....

"What about Melania and Barron?"

"What about them - they can fend for themselves".... "And set the viscous dogs loose!"....

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It was Robert Kennedy that said ,

“Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on.’

Now quite obviously the police used tactics that are not in any police handbook to deal with Mr Floyd.

Now all the world has seen a man pleading for his life and wonder how such an incident could come to pass in the ‘land of the free’

So, my question is what will the American people ‘insist on’ going forward?

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Colin Kaepernick tried peaceful protest. How did that work out?

On top of the $100 million he made from the NFL, he got millions in endorsements from Nike. Peaceful protest has been as lucrative for Kaepernik as most of us will make in our entire lives.

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he also got some type of payoff from the NFL in the amount of around $50 million after that.

Professional protester has worked out quite well for a guy who was average as a player, except for a few flashes of talent.

You know, there is a liberal media article saying the Minnesota Vikings need to sign him to play football for their team now?

https://www.startribune.com/a-strong-statement-is-needed-and-the-vikings-signing-colin-kaepernick-would-do-it/570911682/

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Reasons for the current US situation....the list is long.

Sars cov2, which is not a corona virus, but a SARs HIV retrovirus combo.

Ineffective lockdown, initiated too late, perhaps deliberately.

Ineffective screening and contact tracing

Overwhelmed health care system resources

Media hype.

41 Million unemployed.

Uncertainty and insecurity at every economic level down to food insecurity.

Failing international supply chains.

Geopolitical responces in the US particularly towards China.

General populations complicity towards the virus.

Underlaying longterm inequality and job insecurity.

Longterm racial hate.

Police brutality.

Unchallanged on mass civil disobedience.

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Welcome to Trump's America in 2020....

It is terrible what has happened. The killing of an innocent man and now the riots and more deaths, injuries and property damage. Blaming Trump is the typical cop out that we have been seeing from failed cities in America for over a half a century. We are seeing the same story in the same cities repeated over and over. Half a century of Progressive rule - how can this be? All of the cities up in flames this past week have one damming thing in common. They are dominated by Progressives.

Minneapolis is considered a model progressive city. All of the Left’s social programs and policies are fully in place. Police training, sensitivity training, you name it they do it. The result? An innocent man was asphyxiated. The justice system waited three days to charge him with a crime. Blue cities across America in fire.

I am not huge Trump fan but he had zero to do with the blue city carnage taking place now.

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Nothing to do with Trump. Just a bunch of degenerates destroying peoples property and hurting others. For the most part police brutality occurs during resistance to being restrained and occasionally goes overboard because of bad policing.

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I am not huge Trump fan but he had zero to do with the blue city carnage taking place now.

Given your excuses for him, if you're not a "huge" Trump fan, then you must be a "Yuuge" fan...

Of course he is responsible for this violence - he's the President and it occurred during his "reign"....

Didn't you see the 2016 debate when candidate Trump was asked if Bush II was responsible for 9/11? He said; "It happened during his reign"....

https://www.politico.com/blogs/south-carolina-primary-2016-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/gop-debate-2016-trump-911-219260

So, whose "reign" is it when this violence is occurring?

Whose "reign" is it when over 100K Americans are dead?

Whose "reign" is it when 41 million Americans are out of work?

If you think Trump is not responsible for any of this, you'e not only arguing with me, you're arguing with Candidate Donald J. Trump...

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Nothing to do with Trump

That's one perspective. 'Trump's responsible for all the problems' another. Most likely somewhere in between those poles is a reality.

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Conveniently it wasn’t like this for Ferguson or Baltimore, was it? Who was responsible for those?

So, whose "reign" is it when this violence is occurring?

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You know, there is a liberal media article

What does the kook media say in response?

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Nothing to do with Trump.

What has Trump done to try to defuse tensions? Or is he letting fires burn knowing they distract from the 100,000+ virus deaths and the sinking economy, both happening under his watch.

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@sunfunbun: If he was a respected and fair POTUS, this would not be happening to the degree it is. 

I can still see that split screen with Obama calling for calm on one side and the Ferguson riots in full swing on the other. This isn’t about who the president is. It’s never about the president. Its about 60 years of failed inner city social policy since the civil rights era.

Where is the rioting and violence occurring? Nearly all, if not every single one, is occurring in cities run by Democrats. Many of the mayors and city council leaders are also black Americans. The police chiefs- many are black Americans. It’s their policies that are failing them now. There is no more of the Jim Crow, separate but equal, or red-lining vestiges of the old South Democrat party left anymore. It doesn’t exist in these “progressive” cities. That failure was replaced by the new failure of socialism and neo-Marxism. After 60 years maybe it’s time to try something else?

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what would you want Trump to do about a Dem state with a Dem governor, mayor, senators, attorney general, police chiefs? this is a liberal problem.

Dems cant even control their own kids. NY hero DeBlasio kid was arrested, Omar kid is sending supplies to Antifa groups and the Minnesota governor kid is on Twitter giving out National Guard locations.

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@Busby: Of course he is responsible for this violence - he's the President and it occurred during his "reign"....

Ok so Obama is responsible for Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.? Those injustices occurred under his reign right? The first black president caused the pain of those incidents too - that’s your logic?

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Well then why are people rioting now instead of waiting until the trial of the cop is over? Is he not innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Says the guy who wished posters dead yesterday.

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The police brutality against blacks ain't new. About two-three a week are shot dead by them. They also shot white guys but lesser per capita numbers.

And the attacks and murder on police officers is equally as bad and getting worse, someone sniped a cop the other day

Protests get media attention, for a while. Riots and looting much longer.

And in the end, the people that live in these communities are the ones that will suffer the most in the end.

Trump has lost it.

He didn’t, but the communities sadly have.

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Ok so Obama is responsible for Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.? Those injustices occurred under his reign right? The first black president caused the pain of those incidents too - that’s your logic?

Bingo!

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@Ptownsend: And now he's trying to do that, attacking elements fundamental to the republic like a free, for-profit press that questions him, attacking free speech when it goes against him,..

There was a lot in that rant to cover but this thing about the press is the easiest to debunk. Trump has been a gold mine for the for-profit press. That cannot be denied. President Obama’s DOJ spied on and jailed members of the press. Trump has done none of that. All he has done is talk back at them. The corporate press has made yuuge amounts of cash responding in increasingly partisan terms in response to Trumps counter punching attacks on them.

Attacking the press isn’t a crime anymore than the press attacking the government. What makes them so thin skinned that they cannot take the punishment they give to others. Journalists are people no different than government officials. They have a tremendous amount of power themselves. There right to free expression has not being removed. I just think that after Obama attacked Fox for eight years there is a sense of shock on the Left that CNN, Washington Post, and NY Times are also being held to account.

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Keep the narrative going. How they are animals. And then you wonder why there are risings?

I see, the rioters and looters are the nicest.

Keep painting black people as stupid, with no mind of their own.

No said, they are stupid, please stop playing the racist card.

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and continues to erode the Black community and they just refuse to see it.

Victim blaming. Blacks have suffered from 400 years of white oppression. They have never been equal in anyway.

The Black community, they completely destroyed their family structure, increased the poverty and incarceration rate, increased their dependency on big government and entitlements

No understanding of the real situation, how and why it reached the point it has. More black per capita are sent to prison than whites, for the range of same crimes. Blacks are about 40% of the prison populations but only 14% of the nation.

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I would not be surprised to see Trump get 20-25% of the black vote after all this.

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Still waiting to hear who is responsible for Ferguson and Baltimore? Milwaukee, anyone? it got awfully quiet in the "blame game" after that.

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I see, the rioters and looters are the nicest.

The elite has looted and eroded not just marginalised citizens lives, but countries the world over with various invasions and toppling of democratically elected governments.

If you brutalize a people, telling them that they are animals for not staying in their place, what do you expect?

No said, they are stupid, please stop playing the racist card.

I've asked several times if you can see any similarities with rioters in Ireland, South Africa, Palestine and other places where people have been oppressed and discriminated against for generations.

Telling people that they are playing this mythical race card is deflection.

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More black per capita are sent to prison than whites, for the range of same crimes. 

Think about that. If whites and blacks are both sent to prison for the same crimes, and yet more blacks per capita are in prison, then that would mean blacks commit more crimes per capita.

Victim blaming. Blacks have suffered from 400 years of white oppression. They have never been equal in anyway.

And they never will be treated equally as long as white liberals view them by default as hapless victims at the mercy of the white man with no control over their lives or any self-agency of their own.

And why every year it always 400 years? It never changes. Its always 400 years.

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but this thing about the press is the easiest to debunk

No question Trump has used media more effectively than any president, maybe ever. Look how he's used his media to attract followers and rile them up.

Trump's constant, sometime vicious attacks on free speech, especially when it's from media outlets even questioning him, is something I've only associated with totalitarian leaders.

Journalists around the world are being attacked with greater frequency. Trump's ramping up media hatred.

The Constitution permits free speech. Trump is trying to limit free speech.

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One of the best thing to come from these discussions has been a general acknowledgment from most that racism is bad. That's a start.

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And in the most divided time in US history in decades, if not ever, and during the highest jobless rate, worst pandemic response, and when the US is morally bankrupt in general, did the commander in chief stand up and ask people to unite and put an end to the violence like other leaders would have, or actually have? Nope. It has been confirmed he was cowering in a bunker and refusing to take down his tweets.

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It has been confirmed he was cowering in a bunker and refusing to take down his tweets.

And continuing to 'intentionally misinform'.

Trump’s claim that DC police didn’t protect the White House from protesters is false

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/30/21275689/george-floyd-protests-trump-washington-police-bowser

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Any words of condolence for Patrick Underwood, the black Oakland police officer who was shot dead by rioters? No? Was he not "right-on" enough for you? Or was he a race traitor for joining the police?

Democrats' sense of justice seems VERY selective.

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Trump actually had quite lengthy remarks. Its rich talking about hiding when your candidate hasnt even been outside his basement but once or twice since like February.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-george-floyd-remarks-tragedy-mob-violence-2020-5

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Think about that. If whites and blacks are both sent to prison for the same crimes, and yet more blacks per capita are in prison, then that would mean blacks commit more crimes per capita.

No it means more black are given a prison sentence.

"A 2012 University of Michigan Law School study found that African Americans are given longer federal sentences even when factoring prior criminal records, and that African American jail sentences tend to be roughly 10% longer than white jail sentences for the same crimes.

The study found that federal prosecutors of African American and Hispanic defendants are almost twice as likely to push for mandatory minimum sentences, leading to longer sentences and disparities in incarceration rates for federal offenses."

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your likely VP candidate did nothing for criminal reform, actually made it worse. As did your Presidential candidate with his crime bill.

The study found that federal prosecutors of African American and Hispanic defendants are almost twice as likely to push for mandatory minimum sentences, leading to longer sentences and disparities in incarceration rates for federal offenses."

Who gave us bipartisan criminal justice reform? Just a guy named Donald J. Trump.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record

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And why every year it always 400 years? It never changes. Its always 400 years.

The arrival of 20 and odd enslaved Africans in 1619 has been called the beginning of U.S. slavery.

Sorry, I suppose I should state 400+1, 401 years?

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yes because the United States was in existence in 1619, right?

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rump actually had quite lengthy remarks.

How many 'intentional misinformations'? But I wouldn't expect a Trump true believer to recognize one. After all, to them he can do no wrong.

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