Arrests made at anti-lockdown rallies in Australia

The free-thinkers are letting the leftists that they will not have their way.

Free-thinkers huh? Is that what they tell you?

Ignorant people protesting about being kept safe in a pandemic and ignorant posters who agree that they should be unsafe instead.

Sorry that people are a little "put out" by temporary restrictions but better that than being dead. Astounding that people would rather be dead than alive. Too many people with invincibility complexes and not enough common sense or community spirit.

The free-thinkers

Interesting notion. Why do I get the idea that it's the need to think that is upsetting these people? Planning shopping trips more carefully, taking a bit more care when near others, and not being able to talk loudly in bars.

See, that's the difference between real conservatives and American "conservatives."

Conservatives understand public health is not a 'left-wing' issue.

It's a patriotic issue.

Good on ya, Ozzy Land.

Unfortunate these folks decided to get themselves arrested.

What a brilliant idea...wake up and decide, 'I'm going to go and get arrested'.

well...you can't fight stupid.

The face of fascism.

pretty ironic coming from a Trump supporter.

Odd so many of these modern day 'freedom fighters' chanting 'my rights as an individual', saying 'it's government overreach' (another term used by the alt right along with 'hoax', 'witch hunt' etc.) tend to be people supporting authoritarianism. How are those 'individual rights' working out in authoritarian states?

This isn’t about politics. It’s about pubic health. The government is trying to keep people safe - even the morons like these people.

I love how the “FREEDOM!” screamers talk about rights, but never mention the other side of the coin - responsibilities. You exist in a society. You give up your perfect freedom to have the govt. protect your life, liberty and property.

When you endanger public health by not wearing a mask, you’re not keeping your end of the bargain.

You want to tell your friends you got arrested? Go ahead, have a ball, get arrested. You were warned in advance that would happen. Congratulations! You've got something for your next dumbass Twitter post.

@Commanteer

They don't call him Dictator Dan for nothing.

No one calls him Dictator Dan.

@Christopher Glen

Good to see people showing they’ve had enough.

Everyone's had enough. That doesn't mean you should behave like a moron and make the situation worse.

Words are cheap. Therefore I strongly urge those JT readers who supports these protesters by action like stop wearing masks and sanitzing their hands. Maybe to go even further by deliberately catching covid-19 to show that it is s hoax.

@Zaphod

Trump is not banning protests, locking people in, and arresting dissidents, like the Victoria governor.

How about Portland, with his experiment with sending in the secret police, dragging people off the streets into unmarked vans? New Yory city too. That's much better is it? At least in Victoria there is one brand of law enforcement, i.e. regular police. No paramilitary thugs.

Sorry that people are so easily frightened into giving up basic freedoms. Ironic that it's because they are afraid of a fraction of 1% chance of fatality

I don't know where you get your false information from but below is listed the correct statistics.

It has NEVER been a fraction of 1%. You must be thinking of the flu or common cold. This is a Pandemic.

World mortality rate 25/4/2020 was 7.3%

World mortality rate 4/9/2020 was 3.3%

Country by country the risk varies but the above are averages figures for the planet.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~OWID_WRL#the-case-fatality-rate

What do we want?

The right to die!

When do we want it?

Now!

My elderly mother was locked in her house for 3months with no contact at all with people and she endured it but suffered mentally and physically, now she's allowed out and is really doing well,but the covid is still there, so was it all worth it?

This is a discussion about Australia, and people demonstrating against the draconian lockdown.

The lock down is sensible and necessary and describing it as draconian and risking a police state is BS.

If you cant make responsible credible statements you should just stick to reading what others post. Australia's chances of becoming a police state are less than our sun going nova tomorrow. A few boguns defying good sense and endangering themselves is nothing to be concerned about. The government taking action to save its citizens while people object to it is hardly the thing of police states. Seriously do you jump at your own shadow all the time? A responsible government is to be applauded.

Good to see people showing they’ve had enough.

Great idea!! Let’s prolong it!!

I’m sure all these anti-government protesters are more than happy to take the government financial handouts

People can be smart.

Crowds are always stupid.

So the government lets thousands of people go and protest BLM but dont dare speak against them...go figure..

and get this Sydney had the largest BLM protest march in Australia and yet Sydney still has their pandemic mostly contained and light years ahead of any state in the US. The wearing of masks is very high in Australia

Peter14Today  12:40 pm JST

My elderly mother was locked in her house for 3months with no contact at all with people and she endured it but suffered mentally and physically, now she's allowed out and is really doing well,but the covid is still there, so was it all worth it?

She is alive and well so the answer is yes.

That's quite a leap. How can you be sure that's the case?

Neither of us know the lady's health condition, but if she was not already ill with something else, there is a very good chance that she would not have been affected but he virus.

Why does the police not put a full head mask on this idiot? He and others are violating the law and have no regard for others.

https://reclaimthenet.org/james-bartolo-australia-police-lockdown/

Thanks for finally providing a link outside the nonsense we get from the MSM.

Interesting fella this James Bartolo. While I disagree with his arrest, he’s full-on 5G, faked moon landing, Covid is a hoax territory.

Keep the links to these disturbingly predictable free thinkers coming. We can all get educated.

Do you not read your very own news papers ?

The news papers are two days behind so I get my news from a number of online sources. None are mentioning a "police state" in Australia. That's just laughable. Very amusing.

BBC, CNN, JT, TASS, CD, DW and local news from nine.com. It is balanced and covers differing world views. I make my own judgements based on both sides of a story.

There are ways to prevent these deaths with government stimulus

There is not enough stimulus in the world to bring these economies back. You live in a dreamworld where people live forever and money grows on trees if you think otherwise.

Victoria police break down doors and arrest people for a facebook post:

https://reclaimthenet.org/james-bartolo-australia-police-lockdown/

And people accept this? Sad.

The police have special powers during the current state of disaster and state of emergency.

The Police were going to arrest him for incitement via face book and he would not open the door because he was resisting a lawful arrest. Of course the Police were not going to just go away. They took the necessary action to make their arrest. As it should be. Some people encourage others to break the law and they should be dealt with by the law. For people who dont like that they need to move to a country with little or no law, ie anarchy.

@Commanteer

These are Trump-infected crazy times. Whatever number of thousand online entries you might point to, any number of them could have come from the trailer parks of Hicksville, Nowhere, southern USA (whose residents- suckers ... word of the day... that they are, are too dumb to know that they would be better off with the Democrats). Who knows? The majority of Melbournians still embrace sensible leadership, as demonstrated by Andrews.

Hi carpslidy,

that 'logic' is just astounding to me. You want to support your family, sure I that's fine.

Yet at the same time you are willing to expose them to a virus that has the random possibility of killing one of them, or doing permanent damage to them.

I'm sorry but it just seems bizarre to me.

See, that's the difference between real conservatives and American "conservatives."

yeah Americans comparing their conservatives with the rest of the world LMFAO.

Peter14 many believe Aussie is already well down the police state road.

Funny that I live here in Australia yer nobody seems to mention us being close or getting closer to a police state. Fantasy, nothing more.

Calling for a democratic protest is "incitement"? Wow, George Orwell would love that.

Calling for an "illegal gathering" in the middle of lock down for a pandemic is not a democratic protest. It is illegal, hence his arrest. George Orwell would have been intelligent enough to understand the difference.

That its rich coming from somebody supporting lockdowns over a at worst 0.6% disease.

Australia's mortality rate is over 2.3% and since I am considered high risk for pre existing conditions your damn right I support the lock downs to get this under control. Excuse me for wanting to live rather than die young.

A responsible government doesnt bankrupt the economy, strip people of their freedoms, arrest people who oppose them, inadequatly prepare the health system, demand zero infections then cockup forced isolation

A responsible government puts saving lives ahead of saving the economy. One can be rebuilt the other is lost forever. Selfish people are everywhere putting their short term inconvenience above the lives of everyone else. No tears here for the selfish.

“These lockdowns are how to prevent deaths from COVID, so yes, you are the selfish ones.”

Nope, the acquiescent people are the real problem

lockdown + asking facebook and google to pay you "thank you" money = protests

@Vanessa

Its truly worrisome those who are so sure handing the government all this power is going to end well.

I enjoy some of your posts, but I'm genuinely puzzled about what evil long term outcome you see coming from this. When the virus is finally overcome, you think the Victorian government will say "Hey, it was so much fun keeping you all locked down, we're going to set up gulags! That's bound to be a good idea".

What am I missing?

The fact that the authoritarian Andrews regime ordered the cops to arrest peaceful anti-lockdown protestors but left BLM protestors - a far larger number - unhindered says everything you need to know about it’s loyalties. Andrews took a leaf out of the CCP’s playbook, hardly surprising as he signed up to the Belt & Road. He’s nothing but a tinpot dictator.

What am I missing?

Centuries of abuse of seemingly benign laws. The never ending tendency of government to always take every power to the next level. The never ending lies and cover ups of what governments are ACTUALLY doing. Fascism already permeating the Australian government.

Today its Covid 19. Next time it could be just a worse than usual flu used as an excuse while the REAL reason has nothing to do with that flu. Its just plain easier to round people up if most people are locked in their homes for example. Could be done for an attempt to capture the next Edward Snowden and not having citizens getting in the way. For an Aussie example of abuse please look up Annika Smethurst. Her home was raided over her reporting on government surveillance plans. Or consider what is going on at Manus Island. Evil people are real and waiting.

Another thing that can be done to abuse a seemingly benign law is just change some definition. In the Philippines they just passed an anti-terrorism law. Then they changed the definition of what terrorism is to expand it. Imagine the Australian government changing the definition of pandemic.

All the loss of rights, freedom and privileges seem benign until some evil POS takes the helm and people start going to prison camps. Consider how well Adolf Hitler could have used government cameras on every corner. By the time the evil take over the habit of complacency is set and hard to break. The pace of going downhill from there is exponential. You never want to start.

Peter14Today 11:25 pm JST

Peter14 many believe Aussie is already well down the police state road.

Funny that I live here in Australia yer nobody seems to mention us being close or getting closer to a police state. Fantasy, nothing more.

You obviously lead a sheltered life then Peter14

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/editorials/coronavirus-victoria-has-the-hallmarks-of-a-police-state/news-story/2d14e9849ffd42036303da0ce57c1f5c

or

https://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1231000.htm

Do you not read your very own news papers ?

Free Thinker

A philosophical viewpoint that opinions or beliefs of reality should be based on science, logic and reason. Ideas should not be derived from religion, authority, governments or dogmas.

Guess I'm a free thinker too.

“Yes, a consensus of scientific evidence”

I could do this all day.

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/cloth-masks-are-useless-against-covid-19

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

Lead photo caption: the junior sushi chef position at Hotel New Ohtani remains vacant for another day.

Peter14 many believe Aussie is already well down the Police State road. Many States already ban certain types of clothing, and many forms of association . Those laws not only being applied to Outlaw Motorcylce groups now either, even though the muppets in charge assured everyone thats the original target group.

Little by little they erode the rights of law abiding citizens until you only have a Police State.

Peter 14

The Police were going to arrest him for incitement via face book

Calling for a democratic protest is "incitement"? Wow, George Orwell would love that.

If the Masks Work why the 2 meters ?

If the 2 meters works why the masks ?

If both work Why the Lock Downs ?

If all three work why the Vaccine ?

If the Vaccine is Safe why "no liability Clause"?

Ever heard of combination therapy? Each part has a positive effect but combined they work better. Dont catch the virus is the best option. Dont let others spread the virus goes hand in hand with that. So obvious to most but there I spelt it out for you.

Peter14 I already posted some time back in this thread common sense is all that is needed, not the over the top police state drama.

Look at japan for example, most people are using common sense, using masks washing hands, keeping safe distance where possible not dining out in close confines etc , people are for the most part still going about their daily live with out the jack boot police tactics being employed in victoria and nz there you have tow very clear different examples to measure .

The Japanese Govt arnt kicking in doors becuase some one made a facebook post that the govt disagrees with, can you see the difference yet?

Shall i get the green or the pink crayon out for you to help you understand things a little better ?

Carry on selfish attention seekers, do the harm to your own country that no other country could do. I love it...

@spinningplates

Everytime my kids leave the house they are exposed to danger unfortunately. Life involves risk has been and always will

Do I let my kids juggle knifes of course not, but do I let them play contact sports of course.

Sorry but coronavirus isnt knife juggling levels of danger

Vanessa Carlisle 90% of the time I am at complete odds with your posts, but on this topic I find what you are posting to be on the mark, great to read !

Peter14 enjoy the balanced honest realistic news coming from CNN then , no wonder you have a warped view of things.

How about :-

If the Masks Work why the 2 meters ?

If the 2 meters works why the masks ?

If both work Why the Lock Downs ?

If all three work why the Vaccine ?

If the Vaccine is Safe why "no liability Clause"?

Just some questions

Whether you like it or not, most people value lives over discomfort even if that lasts for a couple of years as most pandemics do.

Imagine how many people will be protecting in 3 months!

Don't wimp out on your friends and family and dont abandon their lives for your comfort.

Wimping out as you put it would be stay home instead I go out everyday to put food on the table and support local businesses in spite of the "risk"

marcelito

Ok but. in the interest of fairness why werent tbe cops arresting anyone at the much larger BLM matter protests that were happening at the height of the first wave arlund Oz?

I suppose the Victoria government assumes the virus is afraid of BLM and Antifa and stays away when they gather in large groups?

If we could resurrect a German male who lived through both the Spanish flu epidemic and Nazism in Germany and told him he had to go back in time to relive one of those times as a young man of 20, I wonder which he would choose? And bear in mind that the Spanish flu was actually killing large numbers of young people and Covid 19 isn't.

Its truly worrisome those who are so sure handing the government all this power is going to end well. And over a disease that mostly kills old people who haven't much life left anyway. As a person who can now be called old and truly in a risk category I believe you young and middle aged people need to take your freedom more seriously than your attempts to keep me getting sick, which is largely my own responsibility rather than yours anyway.

Some of you need to wake up , before one day you find yourself on a train heading to the govt camp for your own good.

The more they tell you its for your own good and the more they tell you to be doing, the more you should be questioning why.

Don't just blinding, ignorantly believe everything your govt tells you or before long you will only have a dictator running things.

Wake Up !

Question Everything !

My Parents went through The Great Depression and the Second World War they understood many things that are now being thrown under the bus and half of you have no idea what is even going on.

People can be smart.

Crowds are always stupid.

Not always, but a collection of ‘free thinkers’ whining about exactly the same thing should raise a few eyebrows. That hymn sheet is certainly doing the rounds.

The internet, eh?

@ peter14

Australia's mortality rate is over 2.3% and since I am considered high risk for pre existing conditions your damn right I support the lock downs to get this under control. Excuse me for wanting to live rather than die young.

Thank you for honesty, this isnt about the good of society etc, its the fact you want everyone to stay home so you can be just a little safer. Yo

I hope you get well soon but I would suggest the best option for you as an individual and for your country would be the sick take extra precautions and the healthly work to fund hospitals and pension schemes.

My wife was very ill January through july, did we ask the world to stay home of course we aren't that megalomanic, instead we wore masks and took extra precautions.

Sorry to continue but ask yourself how much a major hospital costs to run a day (millions of dollars),

and then who pays (tax payers),

how long we need to lockdown /cycle through lockdowns until a vaccine is effective (at least a year),

how much tax income will decrease (a frightening amount)

then how long that hospital can run on zero funding (not long)

Then, how many people with preexisting conditions will die.

marcelito

Ok but. in the interest of fairness why werent tbe cops arresting anyone at the much larger BLM matter protests that were happening at the height of the first wave arlund Oz?

On the videos, I did not see any. I suppose the Victoria government assumes the virus is afraid of BLM and Antifa and stays away when they gather in large groups?

wtfjapan

The face of fascism.

pretty ironic coming from a Trump supporter.

Not ironic at all. Trump is not banning protests, locking people in, and arresting dissidents, like the Victoria governor. The irony is how you can look the news and see the opposite of what is happening.

I’m sure all these anti-government protesters are more than happy to take the government financial handouts

They got their own tax money back, and I am thinking of not only income tax but sales tax, property tax and every other tax that was taken from them. Only a fool would not take it because buying power will be reduced because of the mass distribution. Taking it does not increase your position. It only maintains it. Not taking decreases your position.

it’s part of the social contract.

I never signed such a contract. Who did?

DrMaybe

How about Portland, with his experiment with sending in the secret police, dragging people off the streets into unmarked vans? New Yory city too. That's much better is it? 

Where do you get your news from? Portland and NY run Trumps opponents, who support the rioting mobs. The "secret police" that you refer to in Portland were federal police who protect a federal building, which the rioters tried to burn down. Trump is not interfering in the Portland riots, although he did offer help, which the Portland mayor refused.

There is no comparison with the authoritarian government in Melbourne.

There is not enough stimulus in the world to bring these economies back. You live in a dreamworld where people live forever and money grows on trees if you think otherwise.

A history lesson is applicable here. In WWII many nations had no economy left after the dust settled, yet today they have functioning economies that serve the needs of their nations well. Look at Japan as a great example of a country with practically nothing left and yet with hard work it now has an economy the envy of most of the world. Your words are false. All economies will be brought back over time. They will be a little different due to experience gained during this pandemic that's all.

Good luck to them.

They started the year in a democracy and will end it in a police state unless more people stand up.

people object to it is hardly the thing of police states. Seriously do you jump at your own shadow all the time? A responsible government is to be applauded.

That its rich coming from somebody supporting lockdowns over a at worst 0.6% disease.

If continued freedom and the ability to support my family entails a slightly greater risk to myself and those around me then I am mature enough to accept that.

”People are getting fed up with all this virus nonsense, so well they should be”

Hear hear

No one calls him Dictator Dan.

You'd best inform Google that they have over 30,000 mistaken entries then. I am sure you know what people are saying better than they do.

A responsible government is to be applauded.

A responsible government doesnt bankrupt the economy, strip people of their freedoms, arrest people who oppose them, inadequatly prepare the health system, demand zero infections then cockup forced isolation. Have no choice or forward thinking beyond locking people in their homes

do I need to continue

My elderly mother was locked in her house for 3months with no contact at all with people and she endured it but suffered mentally and physically, now she's allowed out and is really doing well,but the covid is still there, so was it all worth it?

She is alive and well so the answer is yes.

Accepting temporary restrictions on freedoms to help protect others is not giving up freedoms

Unnecessary and non-sensical restrictions that set the precedent for more. It won't be temporary.

It’s weird how rightists reject science.

I could probably school you in that, but no reason to disturbed your cherished assumptions of "the others."

World mortality rate 25/4/2020 was 7.3% World mortality rate 4/9/2020 was 3.3%

And it will keep dropping as more are testing and figures are corrected.

They’re probably sociopaths too.

You are right. People who think for themselves and come to a conclusion other than the one you like are sociopaths. Perhaps you should lock us up. Oh, wait....

“When you endanger public health by not wearing a mask, you’re not keeping your end of the bargain.”

Got proof?

Fascist govts and police states world over are making up new laws almost daily when common sense is all that is needed.

Notice the same BLM supporters and antifa supporters on here tearing into these people but seem to think its ok for their own to protest and smash riot rob loot n burn without any problems.

Hypocrisy much

"It is not safe, it is not smart, it is not lawful. In fact, it is absolutely selfish for people to be out there protesting," Andrews said.

So. It is ok to be on a crowded bus or train but illegal to walk around in the fresh air?

Utter madness...

Victoria police break down doors and arrest people for a facebook post:

https://reclaimthenet.org/james-bartolo-australia-police-lockdown/

And people accept this? Sad.

Peter14

From your link:

"As this paper shows16, CFRs vary widely between countries, from 0.2% in Germany to 7.7% in Italy. But it says that this is not necessarily an accurate comparison of the true likelihood that someone with COVID-19 will die of it."

Selective reading?

"Police had urged people to adhere to restrictions on community movement. Four men were arrested and charged with incitement over the so-called “Freedom Day” protests planned for several Melbourne locations."

The free-thinkers are letting the leftists that they will not have their way.

People are getting fed up with all this virus nonsense, so well they should be

Good to see people showing they’ve had enough.

Sorry that people are a little "put out" by temporary restrictions but better that than being dead.

Sorry that people are so easily frightened into giving up basic freedoms. Ironic that it's because they are afraid of a fraction of 1% chance of fatality when many have willingly gone to certain death for those same freedoms.

State premier Daniel Andrews is due to outline plans on Sunday

They don't call him Dictator Dan for nothing.

The face of fascism.