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Russian President Vladimir Putin attends a wreath-laying ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier after the military parade marking the 77th anniversary of the end of World War II in Moscow, Russia, Monday, May 9, 2022. (Anton Novoderezhkin, Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP)
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As Putin marks Victory Day, his troops make little gains in Ukraine

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By ELENA BECATOROS and JON GAMBRELLA

As Russian President Vladimir Putin marked his country’s biggest patriotic holiday Monday without a major new battlefield success in Ukraine to boast of, as the war ground on through its 11th week with the Kremlin's forces making little or no progress in their offensive.

The Russian leader oversaw a Victory Day parade on Moscow's Red Square, watching as troops marched in formation and military hardware rolled past in a celebration of the Soviet Union's role in the 1945 defeat of Nazi Germany.

Speaking at a military parade on Red Square marking the World War II victory over the Nazis, Putin drew parallels between the Red Army’s fighting against the Nazi troops and the Russian forces’ action in Ukraine.

While lambasting the West, Putin gave no indication of a shift in strategies or made any indication that he was going to declare a broad mobilization, as some in Ukraine and the West have feared.

Addressing the phalanxes of elite Russian troops filling Red Square, Putin said the campaign in Ukraine was a necessary move to avert what he described as “a threat that was absolutely unacceptable to us (that) has been methodically created next to our borders."

“The danger was rising by the day,” he claimed, adding that “Russia has given a preemptive response to an aggression” in what he described as a “forced, timely and the only correct decision by a sovereign, powerful and independent country.”

The Russian leader has repeatedly accused Ukraine of harboring aggressive intentions, with support from the U.S. and its allies — claims Ukrainian and Western officials have denied.

Putin again scolded the West for failing to heed Russian demands for security guarantees and a rollback to NATO’s expansion, arguing that it left Moscow no other choice but to launch an action in Ukraine.

The Russian leader emphasized that the Russian troops were fighting for the country’s security in Ukraine and called a minute of silence to honor the soldiers who fell in combat. Putin noted that some of the troops taking part in the parade previously have fought in Ukraine.

He said that the troops in Ukraine have been “fighting for the Motherland, so that no one will forget the lessons of World War II and there will be no place in the world for hangmen, executioners and the Nazis.”

The Victory Day that Russia marks on May 9 is the country's most important holiday, celebrated with military parades and fireworks across the county.

As part of celebrations later in the day, Putin also joined demonstrators who carried portraits of their relatives who fought in World War II in the so-called Immortal Regiment march, walking with a photo of his father who fought the Nazis in the siege of Leningrad.

The Soviet Union lost a staggering 27 million people in World War II, which it calls the Great Patriotic War. The conflict, which devastated the country and caused enormous suffering, has left a deep scar in the national psyche.

Some in Ukraine and the West expected Putin to use his speech at the parade to switch from describing the Russian action in Ukraine that the Russian officials have called the “special military operation” to calling it a war.

While Western analysts in recent weeks had widely expected Putin to use the holiday to trumpet some kind of victory in Ukraine or perhaps announce a mass mobilization, he did neither. Instead he sought to justify the war again as a necessary response to what he falsely portrayed as a hostile Ukraine.

He steered clear of battlefield specifics, failing to mention the potentially pivotal battle for the vital southern port of Mariupol and not even uttering the word “Ukraine.”

On the ground, meanwhile, intense fighting raged in Ukraine's east, the vital Black Sea port of Odesa in the south came under repeated missile attack, and Russian forces sought to finish off the Ukrainian defenders making their last stand at a steel plant in Mariupol.

Putin has long bristled at NATO’s creep eastward into former Soviet republics, and argued Monday that Russia had to invade Ukraine before an “inevitable” clash. Ukrainian leaders and their Western backers have denied that Kyiv or NATO posed any threat.

As he has done all along, Putin falsely portrayed the fighting as a battle against Nazism, thereby linking the war to what many Russians regard as their finest hour: the triumph over Nazi Germany. The Soviet Union lost 27 million people in what Russia refers to as the Great Patriotic War.

After unexpectedly fierce resistance forced the Kremlin to abandon its effort to storm Kyiv over a month ago, Moscow's forces have concentrated on capturing the Donbas, Ukraine's eastern industrial region.

But the fighting there has been a back-and-forth, village-by-village slog, and many analysts had suggested Putin might use his holiday speech to present the Russian people with some kind of victory amid discontent over the country's heavy casualties and the punishing effects of Western sanctions.

Others suggested he might declare the fighting a war, not just a “special military operation,” and order a nationwide mobilization, with a call-up of reserves, to replenish the depleted ranks for an extended conflict.

In the end, he gave no signal as to where the war is headed or how he might intend to salvage it. Specifically, he left unanswered the question of whether or how Russia will marshal more forces for a continuing war.

“Without concrete steps to build a new force, Russia can’t fight a long war, and the clock starts ticking on the failure of their army in Ukraine,” tweeted Phillips P. O’Brien, professor of strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.

Nigel Gould Davies, former British ambassador to Belarus, said: “Russia has not won this war. It’s starting to lose it.”

He said unless the Russia has a major breakthrough, “the balance of advantages will shift steadily in favor of Ukraine, especially as Ukraine gets access to growing volumes of increasingly sophisticated Western military equipment.”

Despite Russia's efforts to crack down on dissent, antiwar sentiment has seeped through. A few scattered protesters were detained around the country on Victory Day, and editors at one pro-Kremlin media outlet revolted by briefly publishing a few dozen stories criticizing Putin and the invasion.

In Warsaw, antiwar protesters splattered Russia’s ambassador to Poland with what appeared to be red paint as he arrived at a cemetery to pay respects to Red Army soldiers who died during World War II.

As Putin laid a wreath in Moscow, air raid sirens echoed again in the Ukrainian capital. But Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy declared in his own Victory Day address that his country would eventually defeat the Russians.

“Very soon there will be two Victory Days in Ukraine,” he said in a video. He added: "We are fighting for freedom, for our children, and therefore we will win.”

Russia has about 97 battalion tactical groups in Ukraine, largely in the east and the south, a slight increase over last week, according to a senior U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the Pentagon's assessment. Each unit has roughly 1,000 troops, according to the Pentagon.

The official said that overall, the Russian effort in the Donbas hasn’t achieved any significant progress in recent days and continues to face stiff resistance from Ukrainian forces.

The Ukrainian military warned of a high probability of missile strikes around the holiday, and some cities imposed curfews or warned people not to gather in public places.

More than 60 people were feared dead over the weekend after Russian bombardment flattened a Ukrainian school being used as a shelter in the eastern village of Bilohorivka, Ukrainian officials said.

Russia is perhaps closest to a victory in Mariupol. The U.S. official said roughly 2,000 Russian forces were around Mariupol, and the city was being pounded by airstrikes. As many as 2,000 Ukrainian defenders were believed to be holding out at the steel plant, the city's last stronghold of resistance.

The fall of Mariupol would deprive Ukraine of a vital port, allow Russia to complete a land corridor to the Crimean Peninsula, and free up troops to fight elsewhere in the Donbas. It would also give the Kremlin a badly needed success.

Odesa, too, has increasingly come under bombardment in recent days. Ukrainian officials said came under repeated fire from missiles Monday. There were no immediate reports of any casualties, and authorities did not say what struck.

The war in the country long known as the “breadbasket of Europe” has disrupted global food supplies.

“I saw silos full of grain, wheat and corn ready for export,” Charles Michel, president of the European Council, lamented in a tweet after a visit to Odesa. “This badly needed food is stranded because of the Russian war and blockade of Black sea ports. Causing dramatic consequences for vulnerable countries."

Gambrell reported from Lviv, Ukraine. Yesica Fisch in Bakhmut, David Keyton in Kyiv, Yuras Karmanau in Lviv, Mstyslav Chernov in Kharkiv, Lolita C. Baldor in Washington, and AP staff around the world contributed to this report.

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“Russia has given a preemptive response to aggression. 

You almost have to admire this Orwellian justification for an unprovoked attack on a smaller neighbour.

9 ( +20 / -11 )

As Putin marks Victory Day, his troops make little gains in Ukraine

Good.

15 ( +22 / -7 )

Zelensky ask not what the world can do for Ukraine,ask what Ukrainian are gonna do for themselves,he is just delusional as Putin,but not belligerent

-17 ( +8 / -25 )

Shame on Russia. Russia out of Ukraine now.

12 ( +24 / -12 )

The U.S. official said roughly 2,000 Russian forces were around Mariupol, and the city was being pounded by airstrikes. As many as 2,000 Ukrainian defenders were believed to be holding out at the steel plant, the city's last stronghold of resistance. 

So 2000 demoralized conscripts with flat tires have completely surrounded have 2000 NATO-trained Azov militants. Why is the situation of the Azov guys "hopeless"?

Russia has about 97 battalion tactical groups in Ukraine, largely in the east and the south, a slight increase over last week, according to a senior U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the Pentagon's assessment. Each unit has roughly 1,000 troops, according to the Pentagon. 

Do the math, the Russian forces supporting East Ukraine have roughly 97,000 troops while Zelensky's has over 1,100,000 troops available to him.

The flat-tire Russian forces are out numbered 10 to 1 but still making gains.

Tough to believe the narrative unless there are other factors at play, like a sizable chunk of the Ukrainian army not being fully engaged.

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Little gains? Yes, everyday a few more villages fall under Russian control in the east, Ukrainian forces lose men and materials. Russian artillery slowly getting the job done... At their pace not that of the western press.

-15 ( +13 / -28 )

People say Russia is losing but i think if it comes to attrition, Ukraine will lose first. There is no way the EU and US can keep pumping money, food, supplies and weapons into Ukraine. And take care of millions of refugees while still keeping the economy afloat.

Russia has the advantage because they still have their fleet, ports, oil and gas. While EU might not buy from them, they can always sell to others. By the time time winter arrive, i don't think Ukraine would able to keep this momentum up.

I can already see just how high prices are gonna go half a year from now.

-10 ( +8 / -18 )

No news about the bad boys Azov

-9 ( +8 / -17 )

Tough to believe the narrative 

At least some are exposing the narrative to the people who need it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300584251/russian-tv-online-platforms-hacked-with-antiwar-message-on-victory-day

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Hiro - I guess we will see who tires first. I think if the world allows Russia to get away with this obvious land grab without consequences, then they will be looking at more. Do you think Russia will stop with Ukraine?

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Little gains? That’s patently false.

-11 ( +9 / -20 )

everyday a few more villages fall under Russian control in the east, Ukrainian forces lose men 

I can see the joy on your face as you write this.

Do the math

your numbers (& facts) are straight out of the Russian propaganda book

19 ( +26 / -7 )

There is no way the EU and US can keep pumping money, food, supplies and weapons into Ukraine.

They'll be happy to do it for years, it's the cheapest war they'll ever have to not fight. Russia is in a meat grinder of its own making, and will be for years.

10 ( +15 / -5 )

Blacklabel - the Russian forces made pretty big gains fairly early on, but not as much lately, and have been pushed back to the border north of Kyiv.

Here is a pretty good map for keeping track of the progress: http://liveuamap.com/

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ClippetyClop - Agreed. I can’t speak for others, but I myself will be doing all I can to make it known to my electeud representatives that I expect them to stand with Ukraine and against aggression.

12 ( +17 / -5 )

U,they will go unpunished,if Putin is brought to his knees,do not get your hope up,you I am not a fan of Putin

-10 ( +1 / -11 )

“Russia makes few gains” would be negative, but “Russian makes little gains” in the title must surely be a positive slant on the present situation for the Moscow forces.

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Tooheysnew...

I can see the joy on your face as you write this.

Not really, this is a war of choice forced by the US with Putin's agreement. No joy in seeing ordinary Russian and Ukrainian servicemen being killed.

your numbers (& facts) are straight out of the Russian propaganda book.

There are many unbiased sources showing Russian gains in the Dombass... Even the western press and Ukrainian's themselves are admitting many of them.

-8 ( +10 / -18 )

Russia is going to pay for this. Karma.

9 ( +17 / -8 )

Watching the live report, Putin looked like a pathetic dictator....

Not sure if he will come back for the next VE ceremony, not even sure if such an event will ever be held out there.

7 ( +14 / -7 )

Don’t know what to say about this guy anymore…smh

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

The choice between NATO and Russia: Do you want to be burned at the stake or burned on a spit.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Mr Kipling

Not really, this is a war of choice forced by the US with Putin's agreement.

LOL. If it was forced by the US, why isn't the US fighting, and why didn't Putin invade last year?

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Mr Kipling

There are many unbiased sources showing Russian gains in the Dombass...

Sure. And they are losing ground around Kharkiv. So small gains.

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this is a war of choice forced by the US

what a load of rubbish !

No country forced Russia into invading a peaceful independent country.

In fact, the west gave Russia (Putin) countless opportunities to back off.

11 ( +19 / -8 )

Russia has the largest land mass area of all countries, yet has a GDP the size of South Korea.

Suck it up Princess Putin....your nation is a modern failure.

10 ( +15 / -5 )

Title this book "The Guns of February." Thanks to CNN and the internet, humankind is receiving lessons in the folly of war in real time. At this point Mr. Putin would probably agree; but he's stuck in a quandary with no way to end it without admitting he was wrong.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

You are fighting for lies, injustice and the Russian way.

Apparently, Putin is not very good at math either. He claims NATO is completely surrounding Russia. But NATO member countries make up only 6% of Russia's land border.

Fact: NATO is a defensive alliance, whose purpose is to protect our member states. Our exercises and military deployments are not directed against Russia – or any other country.

Only 6% of Russia's land borders touch NATO countries. Russia has land borders with 14 countries. Only five of them are NATO members.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm#:~:text=Only%206%25%20of%20Russia%27s%20land%20borders%20touch%20NATO,has%20a%20military%20presence%20in%20Kosovo%20and%20Iraq.

6 ( +12 / -6 )

Russia is doing very well. EU is not. Russia has militarily obtained all its goals except for Odessa. Wait a week.

Ruble is very strong and exports are up 23% in just three months.

Putin has 87% popularity, Biden 37%.

-13 ( +8 / -21 )

Oh wow, Rodney! Are you suggesting that Russia will be taking Odesa in a week? If so, that is a very bold prediction! Did you mean something else, perhaps?

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This was interesting.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078929982/a-look-at-the-debate-over-nato-expansion-eastward-thats-at-the-heart-of-conflict

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Russia has militarily obtained all its goals except for Odessa. Wait a week.

A week? Ok. What will your excuse be then?

10 ( +14 / -4 )

Ukraine is systematic being destroyed,brick by brick,two major cities with population of at least 500 thousands citizen or more ,are back in the stone age,their major industries,have been set back 20 years,what constitutes a win ,not this, whether you support Ukraine,these are grim facts,do not stick your head in the sand like and ostrich

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

The USA cant make up their minds if they are helping Ukraine or not.

Claimed they helped sink the ships and kill the Russian generals. then walked it back saying its not true.

Now claiming it is kind of true but the leaks to the media saying its true need to stop.

Biden is going to bungle us right into World War 3, he cant even decide to take credit, lie, or both.

"Biden tells top national security officials leaks about intelligence sharing with Ukrainians must stop"

-13 ( +4 / -17 )

Blacklabel - always leave the enemy guessing!

8 ( +11 / -3 )

Pathetic shaky Putin and his nation of war criminals. Nothing to celebrate - just a litany of national shame.

11 ( +17 / -6 )

Don’t know what to say about this guy anymore…smh

well the last guy called him a genius, maybe you agree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNxvSxaGeDE

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Blacklabel - always leave the enemy guessing!

By lying to the American people about our actual involvement? and sending our 47 billion dollars to a foreign country during the poorest economy/ highest inflation in recent history?

no thanks.

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

@ Rodney- "Putin has 87% popularity."

But I wonder how many want to, but are too frightened to speak against the dwarf?

Evidence suggests that any dissent is dealt with summarily.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

Wonderful Victory Day!

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

Depending on what constitutes a threat to Putin’s Russia, there are a combination of NATO and US bases near or very near the eastern borders of Russia.

Ukraine was looking to be a candidate for the next bases for NATO and/or the US.

What should Putin have done?

Should he have allowed a continued military buildup or not?

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

Blacklabel - I am in favor of supporting Ukraine against Russia. Does that mean I necessarily agree with every step or decision made? No, of course not. But I do know that we need to stand together against naked aggression. I am pretty satisfied with the way Ukraine and the Allies have handled things so far and I will continue to push my elected representatives to support Ukraine. You should let your representatives know how you feel, as well.

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Wow just read on the institute of the study of war that Ukrainian troops are expected to push Russia back to the border near kharkiv city within days allowing fire control along the road to izyum.

This would secure another 60 km or so of the eastern border incredible stuff Ukraine.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

People say Russia is losing but i think if it comes to attrition, Ukraine will lose first. There is no way the EU and US can keep pumping money, food, supplies and weapons into Ukraine. And take care of millions of refugees while still keeping the economy afloat.

This makes no sense. The value of weapons, money and other aid going into Ukraine from the EU and US is miniscule relative to the size of their economies. All they have to do is send the stuff in and let the Ukrainians do the rest.

In contrast, the Russians don't just have to send stuff into Ukraine, they also have to maintain, support and re-supply an army of approximately 150,000 who are engaged in active combat, which is orders of magnitude more costly than merely providing weapons and aid. All of that cost having to be paid by a single country which has an economy less than 1/20th the size of that of the EU and US. And that economy also being crippled by sanctions to boot.

If there is "no way" the EU and US can continue to provide their aid to Ukraine, which costs much much less to them than what sending a huge army into the country is costing Russia, how would there be any way for Russia to continue to pay the costs of doing what it is doing?

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Anyone who thinks the Russian invasion of Ukraine was totally unprovoked is unaware of the situation thats bin slowly escalating during the past 8 years and since the Clinton administration.

Putins special operation isn't special it's horrific .

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

Had the Russians murdered and raped fewer Ukrainian civilians and bombed fewer hospitals and schools, then they may have garnered more support for their naked aggression. As it stands, they look like and act like a criminal gang of Nazis running amok. With any luck they'll be squashed like a disgusting bug.

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I find it funny how Dictator Putin can laud the Soviet Union's victory against the Nazis (of which the Soviet Union had a whole lot of materiel help from Britain and the US I may add), yet clearly adopting the brutal Nazi methods when going up against the Soviet Union's former allies in WWII.

Complete with false stories about why Russia "had" to fight Ukraine (a "Nazi" threat? PLEEZ).

Guess Dictator Putin will make up any lie he can to excuse his lust for lebensraum.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

What should Putin have done?

Build up his own depleted defunct demoralized forces to his evil little heart’s content, swindle ever more money out of the Russian population, buy himself another superyacht, get another mistress and make more babies. Get treatment for whatever it is that is puffing up his face and giving him the shakes.

What he emphatically should not have done is gone on a rampage, invading his neighbour and dropping bombs on schools, hospitals, crowded train stations, residential areas and theatres packed with children.

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Kyo wa - what have any NATO members done to threaten Russia prior to the invasion of Ukraine? It’s not an accident that almost all of the former communist Eastern European countries have chosen to ally with Europe and the West. Do you really think any of these countries want to be more like Russia? Would you want to live in Russia?

8 ( +11 / -3 )

There is no way the EU and US can keep pumping money, food, supplies and weapons into Ukraine.

They'll be happy to do it for years, it's the cheapest war they'll ever have to not fight. Russia is in a meat grinder of its own making, and will be for years."

Agreed...supplying weapons to Ukraine whilst keeping up the sanctions ( with convenient loopholes of coourse ) is the easiest way for the US/EU to try bring Putin to his knees. Whether that will work in the long term is another story.

Putin again scolded the West for failing to heed Russian demands for security guarantees and a rollback to NATO’s expansion, "

It doesnt justify the Ukraine invasion but it can not be denied that back in 1989 the West promised Gorbachev NATO would not expand east towards Russia,s borders but it has slowly and steadily done exactly that in the decades that followed. That is a fact.

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This article describes the risks of taking credit for something you didn’t do. as well as the risks of having actually done it but being dumb enough to brag to CNN about it.

https://thehill.com/news/administration/3482310-leaks-raise-concern-ukraine-will-spill-into-us-russia-proxy-war/

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

Blacklabel - you know as well as I do that if Russia attacks us, they will wish they hadn’t. Of course we are providing intelligence support. Unless you think it is Ukraine’s space program that is providing the Ukrainians with all that satellite imagery?

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Russia, US, Britain, France, Holland, Poland armies, navy, air force liberated Europe from the scourge of Nazi Germany.

Yet Russia under the dictatorship of war criminal, Russian President Vladimir Putin has returned Europe to the dark days of mass murder, daily atrocity.

What is left to celebrate on Victory Day for the thousands of families that will forever live in despair of there lost family members loved ones, at the feet of a tyrant threating nuclear war?

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yesterday was 77th anniversary of end of WW2 in Europe.

I have checked twice but did not find any article regarding that anniversary.

seems like this may be not good "sales article" for MSM of this type anymore?

maybe newspaper owner believe that there is no issue if will skip that?or its not "newsworthy" at all?

i just wanted to let know to all of you that most dead were from former Soviet Union.

some 27 millions of people or so.

not just soldiers but many civilians.

they have died for their own country while they fought nazi from Germany,Italy and other German/Italian allies.

there were also many dead from other countries like west european countries,Canada,USA etc etc.

should not forget Jews from many countries as well.

but yes-its was not "newsworthy" to make even few simple lines about that.

its not nice to ignore these victims.its not nice to support grandsons and grandaughers of these nazis from AZOV by daily one sided propaganda.

You should feel shame at least.

...Nothing is forgotten and no one is forgotten...

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

Tom San

This was interesting.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078929982/a-look-at-the-debate-over-nato-expansion-eastward-thats-at-the-heart-of-conflict

Interesting, but their conclusions are wrong. Putin's invasion has nothing to do with NATO expansion. It is an imperialistic land grab. Pure and simple.

8 ( +13 / -5 )

kurisupisu

Depending on what constitutes a threat to Putin’s Russia, there are a combination of NATO and US bases near or very near the eastern borders of Russia.

Ukraine was looking to be a candidate for the next bases for NATO and/or the US.

What should Putin have done?

Should he have allowed a continued military buildup or not?

There was no military build-up and there were no threats to Russia. Considering that, he should have done nothing.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Russia will achieve the goals. Don't get fooled by Nato propaganda.

We witness now the end of western imperialism, the music of the future is BRICS. China, India and Russia have sufficient nukes to strike back at the US and UK if necessary.

And I, from South Africa, think that Japan should be more active and tell these western imperialists that a strike with a nuke is not funny.

Gorbachev did the right thing and set Eastern Europe free. Nato should have been disbanded back then. But no, they continued to threaten Russia and expanded to the east. And now, Ukraine pays the price for flirting with Nato.

There is a choice now, either treat Russia with respect or start a war and face 6000 nukes!

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Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne

Anyone who thinks the Russian invasion of Ukraine was totally unprovoked is unaware of the situation thats bin slowly escalating during the past 8 years and since the Clinton administration.

No it hasn't. Previous Warsaw Pact nations joining NATO has nothing to do with Russia and do not threaten Russia.

Anybody who thinks Putin's imperialistic invasion has anything to do with NATO expansion is entirely misreading the situation.

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No it hasn't. Previous Warsaw Pact nations joining NATO has nothing to do with Russia and do not threaten Russia.

Remind us what nation NATO was founded to oppose, and the majority of that nation is now which nation?

It's a strange double-standard when the explicitly anti-Russian NATO expanding towards Russia is considered fine, but China having any presence on Solomon Islands is tantamount to a war declaration.

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Daniel Christen

Russia will achieve the goals. Don't get fooled by Nato propaganda.

Like take Kyiv, murder Zelenskyy and install a puppet leader? Nope. Not going to happen.

Gorbachev did the right thing and set Eastern Europe free.

True.

Nato should have been disbanded back then.

Why? The main reason that NATO didn't disband was Putin and his aggressive moves in Chechnya and Georgia. This is less of NATO expanding and more ex Warsaw Pact countries feeling threatened.

But no, they continued to threaten Russia and expanded to the east.

No, they didn't threaten Russia.

And now, Ukraine pays the price for flirting with Nato.

Has nothing to do with it. It's a nice pretext though.

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Addfwyn

No it hasn't. Previous Warsaw Pact nations joining NATO has nothing to do with Russia and do not threaten Russia.

Remind us what nation NATO was founded to oppose, and the majority of that nation is now which nation?

The USSR and now Russia. And it probably would have become irrelevant and disbanded, except for Putin's aggressive moves in Chechnya and Georgia. This is Putin's own fault.

It's a strange double-standard when the explicitly anti-Russian NATO expanding towards Russia is considered fine, but China having any presence on Solomon Islands is tantamount to a war declaration.

It certainly would be if Australia invaded the Solomon Islands, sure.

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It's a strange double-standard when the explicitly anti-Russian NATO expanding towards Russia is considered fine, but China having any presence on Solomon Islands is tantamount to a war declaration.

If the US were to invade the Solomon Islands in an operation that killed tens of thousands of civilians and turned a quarter of the population into refugees in order to prevent China from having any presence on it then maybe we could talk about there being some sort of equivalence between the two.

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@Eastman

Thanks for the crayon and paper history lesson. Have you read lots about this?

Not that it’s relevant to what Russia is doing today, but you did omit that the USSR signed a pact with the foul Nazi regime. Of course, this is not to disrespect to the brave soldiers of the former USSR who fought against the Nazis after this pact was broken.

I’m sure it was an oversight on your part.

Anyway, let’s focus on what Russia is doing today. That is the main point.

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Let people think Russia isn't making gains. Who cares? False sense of security in addition to all the morale-boosting fake videos like Ghost of Kiev.

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Tom San

This was interesting.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078929982/a-look-at-the-debate-over-nato-expansion-eastward-thats-at-the-heart-of-conflict

Interesting, but their conclusions are wrong. Putin's invasion has nothing to do with NATO expansion. It is an imperialistic land grab. Pure and simple.

Say what you will, but that's* **your*** **take on Putin's motives.

Everyone's free to have an "opinion", but I tend to steer clear of folks who are judgemental and/or self-righteous.

I'll stick with the more credible NPR report (Becky Sullivan, Mary Sarotte, Jim Goldgeier) instead.

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Tom San

Interesting, but their conclusions are wrong. Putin's invasion has nothing to do with NATO expansion. It is an imperialistic land grab. Pure and simple.

Say what you will, but that's* **your*** **take on Putin's motives.

No, it's not my opinion. It's Putin's. Russia showed their hand by accidentally publishing a propaganda piece that shows Putin's motives. It's rather clear. This was a totally imperialistic move.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/30/russia-putin-zampolits-ukraine-propaganda-campaign-war/

Everyone's free to have an "opinion", but I tend to steer clear of folks who are judgemental and/or self-righteous.

I'll stick with the more credible NPR report (Becky Sullivan, Mary Sarotte, Jim Goldgeier) instead.

I think I'll stick with Putin's propaganda department. It reveals more than these guys speculation.

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Tom San

Sorry, wrong link. This is the correct one:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60562240

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Russia has militarily obtained all its goals except for Odessa.

false

Ruble is very strong and exports are up 23% in just three months.

false

Putin has 87% popularity,

ring ring,

hello Ivan, this is the KGB. Do you support Putin ?

yes ? Correct answer

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Ukraine will push the Russian scum-bags out eventually, no matter how long it takes. Start digging your own graves.

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Whatever one feels for Putin's Russia, what did those WW2 Soviet veterans have to commemorate on Victory Day?

Nothing, Putin's Russia has gone full circle, the scourge in the here and now.

Rise up.

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an imperialist act is an action carried out by a capitalist power in order to expand its economic, financial and military power, seeking to redivide the world under new conditions of existence.

Gee, that is an awfully focused definition that seems designed for the sole purpose of excluding what Russia is doing from being described as "imperialist". Using that definition most things we consider "Empires" historically (like ancient Rome) would not be "imperialist", so its pretty useless.

A real definition of "imperialism" describes it as: "state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas." (Encyclopedia Brittanica, but other sources use similar definitions). 

I can see why you wouldn't want to use that one since what Russia is doing clearly falls within its scope.

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“Very soon there will be two Victory Days in Ukraine,” he said in a video. He added: "We are fighting for freedom, for our children, and therefore we will win.”

"In Russia we guarantee the freedom of speech, but not the freedom after speech" - Vladimir Putin

6 ( +9 / -3 )

take a short break and think WHY all of this happened.

OK.

Hmm...let me think. Why did that thing Putin did happen?

Oh right, because Putin did it. Therefore he is responsible for it because people who do things are responsible for the things that they do.

Very useful exercise, thank you.

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and you tell us that such a research laboratory in Ukraine funded by the US is no problem? Seriously?

Should be fine. The US funds many labs across the world. And, BTW, most of these facilities were set up in the Soviet era.

Prof. Luc Montagnier, a nobel laureate for discovering a virus, told us something else.

And ask the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki what could happen when the US peacefully researches nuclear energy!

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