10 dead, 16 wounded in shooting in Dayton, Ohio

So soon? This is crazy.

How can gun advocates look at this endless amount of misery and conclude it has nothing to do with the US's terrible lack of gun control? When will the people of the US stand up to their pathetic NRA-funded politicians?

How can gun advocates look at this endless amount of misery and conclude it has nothing to do with the US's terrible lack of gun control?

Among the reasons probably none has had a relative or a person close to them murdered by someone using a gun. (I won't believe the usual posters who've claimed to be another Zelig or Gump.)

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" is how the 2nd amendment begins when that was important 250 years ago. Now America has one of the largest and most high tech militaries in the world, and people defend the amendment like its still necessary?

This is becoming a daily event. And there's no end in sight, either.

Groundhog Day in Amerika! But where's the Comforter-in-Chief? Too busy tweetin' or too many shootings? There used to be a time when a POTUS would make a point of comforting the bereaved. SAD!

The second crazed, armed person in 24 hours. My thoughts are with the American people, and I hope those responsible for these atrocities will eventually face their comeuppance.

There are nuts in every country on earth.

In the US the nuts have guns.

Good grief, America!

I feel so frustrated and hopeless because I know nothing will ever change - THIS is the new normal in America!

As I'm typing this, the next extremist or crazy gun nut is already plotting tomorrow's massacre!

...and we all know who is to blame!

I can't believe another human wrote this.

Someone who's watched a lot of cowboy movies it would seem.

This is reaching the point where they haven't even started funerals from the last one before the next one happens.

Berserk – is there any better word for it?

A tragedy blah blah blah, my sympathy with etc. We will hear mouthed by many but of course no concrete action! Until and unless the US population chooses to do something about this scourge the comments of the rest of the world (my self and the other posters on this site included) will mean nothing. So sit back and watch the tragedies unfold.

Another 20 slaughtered in El Paso today according to a breaking news alert on the BBC.

More gun filth.

5 of the 10 deadliest mass shooting in the US have occurred since 2016 and the majority have been perpetrated by white nationalists. I would why so many since 2016?

*wonder

An American becomes a gun homicide victim every 14 minutes, 24/7. 100 victims every day.

The last 24 hours alone may bump up that frequency for this year.

Wow! A lot of crazy people out there! What the heck is going on?!

Wow! A lot of crazy people out there! What the heck is going on?!

The Second Amendment.

And Trump inspires these idiots. Wake up America.

The Second Amendment.

An interpretation of the 2nd Amendment that has enabled any adult American regardless of sanity or political belief - even those on terrorist lists - to possess weapons that sane countries only allow their militaries or police forces to have.

The guns and ammo industries, the NRA and other extremist organizations are so powerful that to date they've stifled discussion of other interpretations of the 2nd Amendment.

Wow! A lot of crazy people out there! What the heck is going on?!

American love of guns above people.

The Second Amendment.

I dunno. Could be all that winning.

Again and like with the abortion debate, both of them are polarizing and neither side will give in, they all dug in their heels. Liberals can as mad as they want, they will blame guns, fine. I don’t, there are a dozen of other reasons as to why and how this could have been prevented, taking guns away is a losing argument.

America is cursed by guns forever. Another tragedy happens again and again. No one can't stop it as long as guns are all over.

taking guns away is a losing argument.

Keeping guns is a losing argument.

taking guns away is a losing argument.

Maybe, but that just means nothing will ever change. Ever. Wanna get shot? Cool. Keep your guns.

The Trumpers here will all deny it but even deep down, they know its true. Trump has unleashed hate in America.

Hate used to hide in the dark corners of society - it would occasionally leak out but would then scuttle back under a rock.

Trump, with his divisiveness, hate speech and racist tweets, has brought these sickos out from under their rocks. "Mexicans are rapists", "the media is the enemy of the people", some Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists "are very fine people", "The Squad should go back where they came from", "Baltimore is a rat-infested slum", and on and on...

Its nothing but a constant flow of division and hate. And disenfranchised white guys with an arsenal in their basement who listen to nothing but Trump, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, decide they've had enough and decide to act.

I'm typically optimistic, but not on this topic - nothing will be done. Trump and the Repubs are beholden to the NRA and gun industry - they'll block any kind of common sense gun control.

There's only one way to make things change - vote out every NRA-loving Repub from city counsel up to the White House...

@bas4fboth of them are polarizing and neither side will give in, they all dug in their heels. 

Once again with the partisan extremist's view that there are only opposing poles, nothing in between. Having followed this issue for decades the most 'dug in' are the extremists like the NRA whose purpose is to lobby to keep the guns and ammo industries powerful and profitable. With zero regard for the problems caused by people - sane and not - using guns.

I hope there's not a test on these shootings, because I can't keep up!

I'm all outta thoughts and prayers too!

Still waiting for good plan for getting rid of guns in the USA.

And to those that say more should be armed in the US, please explain how someone in Texas (yesterday) can manage to shoot and kill 20 people in the state that has the weakest gun laws where you can carry a gun just about anywhere.

If this new massacre within 24 hours doesn't chance the US governments stance on gun control I don't know what will, this feels completely surreal.

Again my condolences to the families of the victims, this should have never happened.

Surely now the US governments and NRA will realize something has to chance right ???

The Second Amendment dates from 15/12/1791 and is in dire need of an overhaul to comply with our modern age.

Since no-one is allowed to mention the words g-n c-ntrol, why not go the other way and announce open day on active shooters. “Bag one to collect your bounty today!”

Federally-guaranteed $10,000 USD minimum for disabling an active shooter.

Interesting that white boys shooting up a storm,is mental health or something sad behind it. A person of color? Domestic terrorism

Please don't polarize like this, when the US government accuses someone of domestic terrorism there is much more more involved that just the color of his skin.

There were many white terrorists such as Timothy McVeigh who were convicted for domestic terrorism.

It certainly does feel surreal - but even this tragedy I'm afraid won't budge the issue.

If 20 school children between the ages of six and seven were gunned down at Sandy Hook Elementary, and that didn't bring the gun nuts around, then this won't either.

The gun nuts chose their guns over their children the day after Sandy Hook...

With so many berserkers running riot perhaps it's time to bring out the "well regulated Militia" of the sacred 2nd Amendment that the constitution-luvin NRA types always cite because American politicians have obviously lost the plot and are doing nothing except twerking to the loony tunes of a society run amok and spinning out of control.

again its not strange this is how they want their so called ''freedom'' what a pathetic country

lincolnmanToday  07:32 pm JST

The Trumpers here will all deny it but even deep down, they know its true. Trump has unleashed hate in America.

These horrible mass shootings never happened before Trump became president?

It's terrible that you are exploiting this terrible tragedy to make a political point, and to scapegoat those whose political views differ from your own.

Blame the gun, blame Trump and his supporters -- but no, don't blame the guy who actually pulled the trigger.

That would just make too much sense.

If 20 school children between the ages of six and seven were gunned down at Sandy Hook Elementary, and that didn't bring the gun nuts around, then this won't either.

I agree things should have changed much much sooner but I would assume a second mass shooting within 24 hours must affect the mindset of the American people and I can only hope they will start to apply pressure seeing as the 2020 presidential election campaigns starting to heat up.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" is how the second amendment starts which made sense 250 years when it was written. Now America has the largest and most expensive army in the world to keep their "freedom" so why do civilians need guns?

They don't!!

takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.comToday  08:32 pm JST

Go after the gangs and the crazies

This is nothing to do with white right wing terrorists. As a right-winger, maybe you should do a better job policing your community?

It isn't surprising that the U.S. left is politicizing this.

The U.S. left politicizes everything -- sport, music, films, TV, education (starting from early primary school), science, religion. They politicize absolutely everything.

Now they are politicizing this -- blaming Trump, demonizing his supporters, and calling for "new gun laws" even though they did nothing about the issue when they ran the entire U.S. government -- the presidency and the Congress -- from 2009 to 2011.

The only times the U.S. left didn't politicize a mass shooting was (a) when a Bernie Sanders supporter shot several Republican representatives in Washington on a baseball ground, and (b) when an atheist committed a mass shooting at a church in Texas.

Americans seem to identify with their favorite politicians or political party the way sport fans get rabid over their favorite team. And while the U.S. right isn't innocent of this, it's the U.S. left that really goes overboard with it.

The U.S. left sees everything, absolutely everything, through a political lens -- with particular effort made to demonize their political opponents every chance they get.

...and we all know who is to blame

Nothing has been done about gun control in my lifetime and I have lived through 3 democratic and 4 republican presidents. All of them were all lips.

It finally happened. A second crazed gunman in Ohio mowed down his victims even before irate writers had to produce editorials denouncing the shootings in El Paso.

Blame the gun, blame Trump and his supporters -- but no, don't blame the guy who actually pulled the trigger.

Who in the El Paso incident posted anti-Hispanic, anti-immigrant rhetoric on social media.

And every day this Impostor of a President spews out more hate - anti-immigrant, anti-Hispanic, anti-people of color - you name it.

Just like in the Stormy Daniels payoff case, where "Individual -1" is listed as an un-indicted co-conspirator, he is a co-conspirator to these mass shootings involving disenfranchised males who internalize his hate speech, and decide to act on it.

Don't pass the buck - just admit it - Trump traffics in division and hate - you know it and I know it.

We'd have less of these violent incidents if he just turn off his twitter and shut up - and support some common sense gun control.

And by common sense I don't mean "take everyone's guns". On another thread I mentioned I carried an assault weapon for 27 years while in the US military - M16 A1/2, GAU 5A, and finished up with the M4. Civilians shouldn't have these weapons - we need an assault weapons ban. Close the gun show loophole, 100% background check for firearm purchase. But the gun lobby, and the spineless Repubs, won't even support those limited measures - even when the majority of NRA members do.

So there's only one way to fix this - vote out every Repub up and down the line.

Will the 2nd cover spaceguns in the future?

It's the liberal U.S gun laws that's to blame. This has reached the limit on which we don't care anymore. Change the gun laws or face the dire consequences!

bass: Wow! A lot of crazy people out there! What the heck is going on?!

Wow? What do you mean 'wow'? We live in a country with hundreds of millions of guns and easy access to them. There's no 'wow' for an entirely predictable result. And it will happen again and again and again and again and...

'Wow' has left the building.

Isn't that like three in two days?

bass4funk: "Wow! A lot of crazy people out there!"

Must have been another white extreme-rightist, otherwise you'd be calling him a terrorist.

"What the heck is going on?!"

Oh, I think you know, brother. And if your surprise is genuine, which it cannot possibly be unless you just woke up and forgot where you are from, don't forget you've more than helped feed into what's going on. Disagree? Then join the growing chorus of people chiding the NRA and asking for more restrictions, and maybe even give up some of your guns.

Sick very sick every American should be angry real angry because your government is failing you!!!

It's exactly because the government if failing them that they should hold onto their guns, to protect themselves and remain free.

It almost looks as if someone is setting up these crazies with guns specifically to create an excuse to take guns away from everyone else. Don't fall for it America.

You're right. No mass shootings ever took place under Trump's predecessor. Oh wait:

20 school children between the ages of six and seven were gunned down at Sandy Hook 

I'm trying desperately to see things your way and find somewhere we can agree on, but you're full of contradictions.

Perhaps this will help - of the 10 worst, most deadly shootings in the US since 1949, four occurred from 2017 to present...counting the El Paso shooting.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/texas-el-paso-walmart-shooting-among-deadliest-trnd/index.html

Does that time period match up with anything that you're aware of?

Two in one day.

You may want to note this; BOTH shooter had one factor in common.

In fact all the shooters, since we started having shooter problems, share one common trait; they are are all crazy.

If having a gun caused people to shoot others, there would be 300,000.000 mass murders in America.

Every day. Take the guns and just like Japan or England, they will come at you with a knife or a baseball bat. It isn't the gun. Regulate crazy people. They are easy to spot; they are the crazy ones.

Still waiting for good plan for getting rid of guns in the USA.

Go after the gangs and the crazies, not the guns. Why should law-abiding citizens have to give up their guns?

America will never be a socialist country and it will never be a disarmed country.

Ok - here is a plan. All automatic weapons are banned with immediate effect. The punishment for possession is increased to ten years. Any larger calibre weapon will be single action bolt action. Pistols and shotguns to be licenced and only availably to those without a criminal record related to any acts off violence. Pistols to have a maximum of 6 rounds.

That's a start. Perhaps not the answer in total, but a good start.

You ask why law abiding citizens should have to give up weapons, and it is because frequently people who have previously been law abiding commit these atrocities.

America will probably never be a socialist country, but you certainly confuse capitalism and the right to gun ownership. Despite being a non-socialist country, there are lots of States where the right to abortion is being limited. Clearly not consistent.

The question was about the 2nd amendment and had nothing to with Trump. I don't like him, fine, but the 2nd something really needs to be done about that. What's going to happen in the future when weapons are more advanced than they are now? It's a fair question.

I am disgusted by the stupid masses that use any event to hate the current president--even the senseless death of innocents is Trump's fault according to the stupid masses

I agree that it is not Trump's fault alone, but rather the Republican party that opposes any restriction on gun control and the NRA wing of three party that Trump is so enthrall to.

I don’t, there are a dozen of other reasons as to why and how this could have been prevented, taking guns away is a losing argument.

Name one.