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The witness told Fox that she had seen one man open fire wearing what appeared to be combat fatigues.

These sickos are always wearing combat fatigues, or are outfitted with military hardware; but they lack the single most important thing a soldier has: honor. Only a coward with no honor opens fire on non-combatants without warning.

Also, I was deeply disturbed at the back patting from news pundits and other law enforcement officials praising the good job of the police. What does it matter when 15 to 20 people are dead? Patting each other on the back just moments later is sick to me. Furthermore, it does nothing to address the problem. All we can do is hold our breaths for 20 seconds until the next mass shooting, and the "heroes" can rush in and save the day--after double digits have died.

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Another day in the life of America. Guns and violence are the norm now. RIP to all the dead and my condolences to the families and friends of those lost. Too many nut jobs get their hands on powerful weapons because the US gun control system is a joke. The 2nd amendment of the US constitution was written at a time when you loaded a rifle by hand and it took maybe 30 seconds to prepare a round to be fired and today we interpret that amendment differently than it's initial purpose which was to have citizens form a militia when needed to protect their homes, towns and families. The true meaning of the 2nd amendment has been distorted and weapons manufacturers are feeding people's minds with the idea that if you don't have a gun then you are a target.

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I'm yet to see a man with a bow kill so many in so little time. Somehow, Guns in the hands of NOT " well trained militia " are always involved .

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Another sad and bloody mass shooting in America. Some things never change.

An AK-47?! If true, that's some really serious weaponry.

RIP

10 ( +13 / -3 )

Another day, another gun involved massacre in America.

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My condolences to the families of the victims, again so many innocent lives have been lost.

Please Japan keep your tight gun control at all costs, that's the only way to prevent these kind of massacres.

We can pray our lucky stars such a thing as the NRA doesn't exist in Japan.

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The guns may not be the problem here.

It appears that the entire nation under some heretofore force or stimulus, be it drugs or stress or something that is heightening readical emotional resposes which does not make sense.

It is happening in S Korea and in some sense even here in Japan.

From racial, religious, poltical and even personal stresses, people are taking unusually radical and forceful actions that seems to have no real personal target but obvious target to divide and destroy unity and security within by forcing a sense of terror and fear and worst, "hatred".

And... much of that also appear to be a distraction from all of the major trends and movements within our societies.

Not talking consiracty, but there is a trending a flow of events and ideas that is somehow forcing a unprecedented "change" in the world.

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RIP innocents. Heal quickly those injured. Condolences to family, friends and community. Thank you police and emergency service responders.

I'm sorry once again local taxpayers have to foot the bill for yet another gun massacre. Every US area has much higher priorities than having to spend huge amounts to protect those without weapons from those with.

The only people to benefit from these gun massacres are those in the guns and ammo businesses plus their lobbyists.

How many weapons and rounds of ammo will be sold after this event to those who already have stockpiled weapons, have private arsenals cached away, yet fear they need even more?

The right keep bringing up mental health, though I've yet to hear of them doing much about it. Re mental health, I'd start by looking at those who already own multiple weapons including semi-automatics, bump stocks (Have the Trump backers in Texas and other places turned theirs in?). They seem whack to me. Some on this site who've claimed to be gun collectors have also said they suffer OCD. I'd definitely support looking into their stability.

Those in funeral related businesses also benefit from gun massacres..

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Another day, another massacre/shooting .... when will this madness end.

We the People of the United States of America appear not to have the human/political will to put a stop to this aberration.

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How many days until the next mass shooting?

When will the gun disease be tackled?

When will the NRA be classified as a terrorist organisation?

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This gun-crazy country can only be cured by a woman able to lead the nation toward sanity. Warren is that woman.

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A little more info here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/114736833/us-police-warn-of-an-active-shooter-at-mall-in-el-paso-texas

I thought this kind of thing wasn't supposed to happen in Texas?

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The NRATrump2A supporters always blame gun free zones. But this is Texas.

Only a coward with no honor opens fire on non-combatants without warning.

I agree, it's better to warn people before you start off on a mass shooting so the CCP people can get their small handguns out of their pockets and purses. Good call

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This gun-crazy country can only be cured by a woman able to lead the nation toward sanity. Warren is that woman.

Warren has already proven herself a liar. Terrible woman. And criminals don't care about gun laws!

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This may or may not be down to mental health issues. However, the gun culture is ingrained in the national psyche. It will take a brave and insightful individual to remove the problem. They will be vilified and threatened but history will remember their decisiveness.

Hopefully this individual will not keep us waiting for much longer.

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Er, don't mess with Texas?

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Love the photo.

Boys with Toys.

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Warren has already proven herself a liar.

Far far less so than Trump though.

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America - the land of the free, the land of the brave, the land of gutless politicians who will not stand up to vested interests ....

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One thing I don't understand, looking at the picture of law enforcement above, is why wear green leaf camouflage?

It makes sense for combat in the wild and jungle but not for the urban environment.

You stick out even more in the city where these law enforcement officers work.

Are they wanna be military or what?

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How many days until the next mass shooting?

When will the gun disease be tackled?

When will the NRA be classified as a terrorist organisation?

What kind of gun laws would be enacted under anarcho-syndicalsim? seems like things would just be more chaotic. Who would enforce gun laws if the US was dismantled and handed back to first nations?

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Far far less so than Trump though.

Don’t think so. Trump never pretended to be something that he’s not.

With that, I think this is very tragic. Condolences to the deceased ones and the grieving families, but this looks like a domestic terrorist as how it’s shaping accordingly to the police, but it’s too early to tell, but seems like it was a hate crime. The shooter was white, but El Paso has a very large population close to “Ciudad Juárez” one of the most dangerous and violent borders in the world.

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“‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens”

Where are all the Texan concealed-carry types who were supposed to make it all better?

The solution to the recent and ongoing gun violence problem is ridiculously simple...

...Convince Trump that Obama wrote the 2nd amendment.

No one would be able to legally own or possess a gun within a month.

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Where are all the Texan concealed-carry types who were supposed to make it all better?

Not a single shot was fired. He was taken in without incident.

The solution to the recent and ongoing gun violence problem is ridiculously simple...

No, it’s not.

...Convince Trump that Obama wrote the 2nd amendment.

What?

No one would be able to legally own or possess a gun within a month.

Hmmm...

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Here we go again. Every time this happens there's a debate about the mental state of the killer, the gun lobby saying the laws are fine, it's a mental health problem, the guy was crazy, etc. It's insane people causing the problem, gun lobbyists say, not the guns.

The real insanity in this debate is the insanity shown by those people who, in the face of all the evidence that the gun laws don't work, that it's far too easy for anyone, nut job or not, to get their hands on ridiculously powerful weapons, refuse to even consider that those laws might need changing to protect the innocent against the murderous.

Anyway, that's this week's comment. See everyone next week for the next mass murder.

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Who would enforce gun laws if the US was dismantled and handed back to first nations?

It's so funny when Trump2ANRA people say this and then come to Japan and leave their military grade fully auto machine guns at home. The NRA is a cult. It's membership fees pay for Wayne's Italian custom suits and private jets, as well as vacations to the Bahamas.

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past time to tackle an "epidemic" of gun violence.

as I have said before, the solution is very simple for me. I would protect myself and those around me, when there is a shooter and eliminate the threat. Gun laws, news coverage, "1st res ponders" (or better yet, late res ponders) dressed up like special forces army troops, who during the Bush era were just local cops deputized as military types, sorry cant rely on that.

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@u_s__reamer

This gun-crazy country can only be cured by a woman able to lead the nation toward sanity. Warren is that woman.

She, and Cory Booker, certainly were quick to draw every political advantage from this, weren’t they? At least Beto O’Rourke is from El Paso.

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Hopefully this individual will not keep us waiting for much longer.

LOL. waiting on the government to come. Dressed up in costumes like they are in combat, but not able to do a damn thing. What happened to your rights?

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Don’t think so. Trump never pretended to be something that he’s not.

And yet he's still lied about a whole lot more than she has.

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Who would enforce gun laws if the US was dismantled and handed back to first nations?

How exactly is the US going to be dismantled?

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And yet he's still lied about a whole lot more than she has

I don’t think so, not like that ans besides, Trump has absolutely nothing to do with what this idiot has done, don’t conflate the issue, keep it on the individual that killed these innocent people.

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Trump has absolutely nothing to do with what this idiot 

But this is Conservative gun NRA2ATrump Texas, not Liberal California.

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From racial, religious, poltical and even personal stresses, people are taking unusually radical and forceful actions that seems to have no real personal target but obvious target to divide and destroy unity and security within by forcing a sense of terror and fear and worst, "hatred".

somewhat agree with this...started many years ago...IMO the left got it all rolling. Shop online, stay out of theaters and public places, school at home or better yet, grass roots community schooling, and exercise the right to carry, and react to a shooter. A new reality. Its not Trumps fault or the NRA. The NRA was nothing more than a gun club that taught safety when I was growing up. Its a deeper problem.

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I don’t think so,

You can deny it but that doesn't make it wrong. It's actually verifiable.

 Trump has absolutely nothing to do with what this idiot has done,

Fair enough, but he is responsible for trying to do something about it more than offering thoughts and prayers.

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It appears that the entire nation under some heretofore force or stimulus, be it drugs or stress or something that is heightening readical emotional resposes which does not make sense.

@kazetsukai Sorry you got all those downvotes for posting a very thoughtful answer. People here like simplistic solutions, and don't want to be forced to think too much. I think you have a good point, and the solution will not be easy or quick. Certainly the stress of modern life, rapid changes, loss of real social connections, loss of common morals and beliefs, loss of meaning in life.... In the USA, you can usually add drugs to the mix, whether prescribed or illegal. But nobody wants to talk about all of this.

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The NRA was nothing more than a gun club that taught safety when I was growing up. Its a deeper problem.

It's a cult now. The membership fees go to Wayne and his king-like lifestyle like Private jets and shopping sprees on Rodeo Drive. Like Scienology and L. Ron Hubbard (and the NRA think there is something wrong with people who don't have guns- like a real cult does). I think the NRA is calling for more feels now. Hurry up and pay NRA2ATrump people. Wayne LaPierre needs to board his private jet soon.

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I think allot of it is the way people are conditioned- scream, run, panic, victimhood. If you are in a combat situation, this is exactly what the enemy wants.

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Haaa NemuiToday

I thought this kind of thing wasn't supposed to happen in Texas?

Mass shooting was INVENTED in Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

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More innocent lives taken people just out shopping mowed down like animals when is this going to be declared a National Emergency.....sick just sick that you have president that declares a border a National Emergency but wont to save the lives of his own people...Obama tried to ban assault weapons and expand background checks but the republican held congress blocked that.

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 loss of common morals and beliefs

I think this is a big part of it. Believing in God now is considered idiotic and is duly ridiculed. I think the problem, too, is multi-culturalsim. We can have multi-ethnicities, but if there isn't a common culture and ethos, people have nothing to believe in, they feel grieved, and we can't expect people to have common morals. Look at Japan, Japanese people feel a common connection among themselves even when they are strangers to each other. The US definitely has a problem with culture--or rather, a decay of culture.

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You can deny it but that doesn't make it wrong.

Doesn't make it right either.

Fair enough, but he is responsible for trying to do something about it more than offering thoughts and prayers.

Seriously, with all due respect there isn’t a whole bunch he can do, because realistically he can’t appease the gun haters and he can’t agitate the gun supporters. No President wants to be in the middle of this kind of mess.

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Don’t think so. Trump never pretended to be something that he’s not.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/election-us-2016-36289239

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VdgP7GLEG_g

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html?utm_term=.6087f315c0d6

https://people.com/celebrity/trump-previously-said-posing-as-his-own-spokesperson-was-a-joke-gone-awry/amp/

https://amp.ft.com/content/bfe23e12-b508-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b

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Doesn't make it right either.

But it being verifiable does.

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 I think the problem, too, is multi-culturalsim.

See, I dont have a problem with multi culturalism, and I think Japan could actually benefit from it. The problem is when left types get goofy and want to change the main stream culture, replace it with something they deem is better. If people from other cultures, respect the mainstream culture, as most immigrants in Japan do, there usually isnt a problem. The problem in the US is that we have a bunch of idiots hell bent on changing every norm and value they deem as "wrong" without any sensible replacement for it.

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as I have said before, the solution is very simple for me. I would protect myself and those around me, when there is a shooter and eliminate the threat

Do you regularly train for combat situations? Have you ever? If not, it's a fool's errand to make such bold statements.

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The problem in the US is that we have a bunch of idiots hell bent on changing every norm and value they deem as "wrong" without any sensible replacement for it.

Dylan Roof is a Trump supporter who hates blacks. He did not vote for Hillary.

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Seriously, with all due respect there isn’t a whole bunch he can do, because realistically he can’t appease the gun haters and he can’t agitate the gun supporters. No President wants to be in the middle of this kind of mess.

It does not matter what the president wants, it's what he has to deal with. Dealing with it means agitating whoever needs to be agitated. It is not rocket science.

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The problem in the US is that we have a bunch of idiots hell bent on changing every norm and value they deem as "wrong" without any sensible replacement for it.

Yes, Donny and his supporters. Disrupt current systems without any idea of how to replace them. Disrupting for the sake of disrupting, nothing constructive about it.

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No problem. Or so they say.

From a Canadian perspective, just nuts. totally nuts, that a so-called civilization of advanced Western thought allows this shi*.

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as I have said before, the solution is very simple for me. I would protect myself and those around me, when there is a shooter and eliminate the threat.

So how would you do that? Move through the world fully armed at all times, rifle on the shoulder, ammo in the bag, fully ready for any hostile engagement? You don't know where it's coming from, you don't know when it might be - at the supermarket? At church, if you go there? At the garlic festival? Just walking through your neighbourhood? You're fully armed, fully ready at all times? If you have a family, are they fully armed too? How do you know where the first shot is coming from? Might take you out, might take out your wife, your kid, your dog. Where's your AK-47? Did you leave it in the car, 200 metres away? How are you gonna get there, and you armed only with a handgun? Where is that damned shooter anyway?

Your comment reads like a Hollywood movie. The hero's always got the tools for the job, he always wins in the end. Real life isn't like that. If you're in the army, if you're a footsoldier in a war, you're not the one who ends it. It's the politicians who do that. And that's what you need in the US - politicians with some guts who can start changing opinions like yours and winding back this "freedom" to own guns that absolutely no-one outside an actual army ought to have.

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appease the gun haters and he can’t agitate the gun supporters

‘Haters’ and ‘supporters’?

Surely ‘haters’ and ‘lovers’ is the more accurate opposite and helps to look at the problem ( some argue sickness ) of people loving things designed to kill.

Gun lovers - say you love them if you do.

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good question but just because somebody owns a gun, doesnt mean they know how to react under fire. It requires training with realism

Exactly why the current situation in America doesn't work. Guns for everybody doesn't help anybody. Of all the people owning guns in America, a generous guess of 5% might be able to be of any use in really protecting people.

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good question but just because somebody owns a gun, doesnt mean they know how to react under fire. It requires training with realism

Agreed, except the training has to be somewhat constant.

Yes I have. and its the new reality, have you been watching the news?

I've been reading the news. It is the new reality in the US, which is why I choose not to live there.

Have you ever been trained for combat?

The answer is not relevant because I'm not making bold claims about how I would react in an active shooter situation.

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I think allot of it is the way people are conditioned- scream, run, panic, victimhood.

That's not conditioning, it's the base human instinct of fight or flight.

If you've never been in that irrational state of panic where you flee, you cannot understand how it works. It's not rational thought - ie, responding to conditioning - it's an instinct to get the hell out of there at any cost as fast as you can over anything.

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Yes I have. and its the new reality, have you been watching the news? Have you ever been trained for combat?

Being trained and ready doesn't mean anything.

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I feel like we're expressing our condolences to the deceased of mass shootings in America on a weekly basis. I long for the time when these shootings were shocking to us. I'm sure Trump will spin it somehow that more walls would have kept this criminal out of our country.

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if you've never been in that irrational state of panic where you flee, you cannot understand how it works. It's not rational thought - ie, responding to conditioning - it's an instinct to get the hell out of there at any cost as fast as you can over anything.

but thats my point, dimwit. So a US Marine in a combat situation, for example, is too allow his irrational fear and panic to overcome him and run and flee? You train to keep those emotions in check, take cover, then locate and eliminate that threat.

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The sooner AK-47s are banned in the United States the sooner we will see an end to this awful violence.

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Of all the people owning guns in America, a generous guess of 5% might be able to be of any use in really protecting people.

because until now, guns were not used like they are. People are still coming to terms with it, or through cognitive dissonance, are avoiding it.

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The answer is not relevant because I'm not making bold claims about how I would react in an active shooter situation.

Fully agree. Even those with the best training and the most experience can react wrongly in active shooter situations, fire fights, any event when bullets start flying. Anyone who claims otherwise has watched too many John Wayne westerns and/or is not being honest. Or has been in only a few gun fights; gun fights are different in their own ways like Tolstoy's unhappy families. That's probably even truer when the 'good guy' is using a handgun.

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You train to keep those emotions in check, take cover, then locate and eliminate that threat.

It did not work in the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. There was moonlighting police personnel there and the shooter still killed 50 people. All talk no action.

So a US Marine in a combat situation, for example...

...has military grade weaponry. Could this have worked in this case against an AK? Should we station marines in these soft targets?

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The sooner AK-47s are banned in the United States the sooner we will see an end to this awful violence.

I think you mean the sooner GUNS are banned in the United States the sooner we will see an end to this awful violence.

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but thats my point, dimwit.

Sad.

So a US Marine in a combat situation, for example, is too allow his irrational fear and panic to overcome him and run and flee? You train to keep those emotions in check, take cover, then locate and eliminate that threat.

That is literally a Marine's job. The average moron with a firearm doesn't have the ability to constantly train to do this. It's also a degradable skill.

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Well,Trump has created the climate for this kind of behavior.And it's not going to get any better while he's in office.So stop the bellyaching over gun control because it's not going to happen. There's more chance of Jesus coming back than meaningful gun law change.Americans love guns and having the right to shoot.., I mean bare arms, is too ingrained in the pysche to ever change.Gotta wait it out till he finishes his two terms to see a reduction in gun violence,unless he finds a way to change the constitution for another term.And with that p-whipped Republican party cowering to him,I don't rule out anything.

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 is too allow his irrational fear and panic to overcome him and run and flee? You train to keep those emotions in check, take cover, then locate and eliminate that threat.

And if you've been in enough of those situations and you are/were a US Marine you'd have seen that happen. Marines are human, regardless the amount of training.

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So a US Marine in a combat situation, for example, is too allow his irrational fear and panic to overcome him and run and flee? You train to keep those emotions in check, take cover, then locate and eliminate that threat.

But unless these free enterprise shooters limit themselves to wreaking havoc only on assembled groups of US Marines in a Walmart or similar, your argument isn't going to apply. Still, I guess you're right, the answer to America's problem with mass murder in public places is obvious - just train up the entire population, men, women, and children, to the state of combat readiness enjoyed by a US Marine. That ought to solve the problem.

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When you live in a country with hundreds of millions of guns and easy access to them, mass shootings are a regular part of life. It will happen again, and again, and again, and again....

It's not rocket science.

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And that's what you need in the US - politicians with some guts who can start changing opinions like yours and winding back this "freedom" to own guns that absolutely no-one outside an actual army ought to have

And do explain how that is going to work. Search every home and basement for guns? Get rid of the 2nd amendment? How many gun free zones are there in the US now?

I like Canada, and do wish the US could be more like them, but its wishful thinking, just like your doing. The US history is based on violence, disruption and war. We are a kind and generous people, but right after 9 11, some instinct kicked in and it has been foot to ass for several years now. Its just how it is. Its why we defeated the Japanese in WW2, even though many others just laid down and were helpless. Im only offering what I would do. Hear some fire, after the initial shock, take cover and then its my responsibility to eliminate the threat, at my own personal sacrifice. If you want to run, rely on late re sponders, prayer, etc, do what works for you, Im just saying I feel thats cowardly.

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@TheLongTermer s I have said before, the solution is very simple for me. I would protect myself and those around me, when there is a shooter and eliminate the threat. Gun laws, news coverage, "1st res ponders" ...

Anyhow Im curious how many tours have you done bet you've seen some action there hey?

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Yes I have. and its the new reality, have you been watching the news? Have you ever been trained for combat?

I'm so happy to live in a place where if someone asked me this I'd look at them like they were a little daft.

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lets face the US is a on\off war one, simple as that!

While it will take a VERY long time to clean out the INSANE amount of weapons around to so called "greatest" country in the world(boy that saying is a real joke)

It needs to start already, start with amnesties easy to get going, THEN start doing a REAL job wrt to gun ownership issues & pronto!

Do nothing...…...is the same as doing something, do nothing means 1,000s more will die in the land of stupid or non-existent gun laws!

Sadly nothing will likely change

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When you live in a country with hundreds of millions of guns and easy access to them, mass shootings are a regular part of life. It will happen again, and again, and again, and again....

As long as we don’t deal with the reality that we need to have more screenings to people that are a danger to society and put more stringent rules and regulations on people that have mental problems to cut down on the violence.

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So a US Marine in a combat situation, for example, is too allow his irrational fear and panic to overcome him and run and flee? You train to keep those emotions in check, take cover, then locate and eliminate that threat.

What?

You said people are conditioned to panic and react in fear. I pointed out how that isn't conditioning, it's instinct. What exactly does your above comment have to do with that? You're calling me a dimwit, and I must be, because I don't see how your questioning how a conditioned marine has anything to do with our previous thread of discussion.

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I know that many of you would love to see the US self destruct, crumble, fall apart. Nothing would make you more happier. Keeping it real, I have met Japanese who feel the same way. Of course Chinese, others, would love to take the spot, they want to replace this with that. So yes, you make some good and valid points about my country. But for those of us who call it home, I want to improve it, because I know the alternative. The problem with many in the US is they dont know the alternative.

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 The US history is based on violence, disruption and war.

You could say that about the history of any country thing is the US government wants to continue this in the future as well.

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Anyhow Im curious how many tours have you done bet you've seen some action there hey?

maybe its a generational thing. I was this way long before any military training. Protect those who cant protect themselves.

Strange times. That kind of thinking is now a "threat"

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As long as we don’t deal with the reality that we need to have more screenings to people that are a danger to society and put more stringent rules and regulations on people that have mental problems to cut down on the violence.

Yes, gun registration the way they do it in Japan. Good idea.

How many gun free zones are there in the US now?

Texas is not one of them - and looked how it worked out. And it's so funny people say stuff like this then they come to Japan and leave their toy guns (yes, they are real toys since people own them because it makes them feel good) and gladly come to a big gun free country called Japan.

maybe no one had a firearm with them to engage the shooter

No, way not Texas. Lots of guns there. They were just a bunch of people (with out without gun) cowering away. They act big and no action. I understand people with no guns cowering away, but the CCP cowering are just a bunch of talkers.

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I know that many of you would love to see the US self destruct, crumble, fall apart.

Not true we just want the mass shootings on a nearly daily basis to stop that's all.

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America is always cursed by guns. so another tragedy happens again and again. They can't stop it as long as guns are there. This is guns' country destiny.

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So long as Americans use guns and kill their own people, it is not our business. But, they use weapons occasionally in other countries too. That  is a  problem.

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@thelongtermer maybe its a generational thing. I was this way long before any military training. Protect those who cant protect themselves...

So the question was how many tours you done what action you have seen?

But due to your response it seems you've done some combat training but never been in a real combat situation sorry correct me if Im wrong..

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and become the respectable country it used to at least try to be.

You mean the country that always has had guns? The country where I grew up in, where there were 12 gauge .410 .22 etc on the rack in the house den? Nobody ever used them to kill others because of Biblical Teachings? Because of respect for life?

Look at the Orlando gay nightclub shooting wi th trained off duty police personnel there.

rely on the government again. why couldnt citizen who are practicing their right to carry do it themselves?

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Oh boy. I hope the early reports of this shooter aren't accurate.

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I'm not sure which scares me more: mass shootings becoming so commonplace in the U.S. or city police who are indistinguishable from the troops in Iraq.

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Yes, so it could have been much worse

So you're admitting the good guy with a gun is ridiculous. Sweet.

If it is not ridiculous, where were they at this Walmart?

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The problem is, as Noidall suggested, the elephant in the room, a break down in the glue with leftist solvent thats slowly been dissolving any cohesion that was once there. Be it a belief in Jesus, single homes, drugs, bizarre gender confusion, there has been a shift in values, with nothing better to replace it. Even me mentioning defending others from harm, is met with disdain. These things are self evident from many of your post. I hope you can recover from my "old school" suggestions and ideas, and you dont need to get counseling if you ever see a church with a cross on its steeple from any "PTSD" you might suffer.

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Don’t think so. Trump never pretended to be something that he’s not.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/election-us-2016-36289239

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VdgP7GLEG_g

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html?utm_term=.6087f315c0d6

https://people.com/celebrity/trump-previously-said-posing-as-his-own-spokesperson-was-a-joke-gone-awry/amp/

https://amp.ft.com/content/bfe23e12-b508-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b

+1 - you beat me to it - I'll add one more...

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2100301/time-magazine-trump-cover-decorated-his-golf-clubs

To the subject - in 27 years of US military service I carried the M16-A1, M16-A2, GAU-5A, and M4. Each of these is an assault weapon. I qualified twice per year, usually expert. I know what these weapons can do to a human body. They are designed to kill or incapacitate an enemy. There is no reason they need to be in the hands of the public.

Remember of Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 - signed by President Clinton? It expired in 2004 and Bush 2 never re-instituted it. President Obama tried again to pass a new federal assault weapons ban in December 2012 after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. The GOP Congressional delegation from Texas and the NRA condemned the bill. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

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The problem is, as Noidall suggested, the elephant in the room, a break down in the glue with leftist solvent thats slowly been dissolving any cohesion that was once there. Be it a belief in Jesus, single homes, drugs, bizarre gender confusion, there has been a shift in values, with nothing better to replace it. Even me mentioning defending others from harm, is met with disdain. These things are self evident from many of your post. I hope you can recover from my "old school" suggestions and ideas, and you dont need to get counseling if you ever see a church with a cross on its steeple from any "PTSD" you might suffer.

Reasonable rebuttal amongst adults.

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'Merica. Headline couldn't be a more USA sentence

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Why is it always the case with Trump supporters and the rightists that when the shooting is done by a white person, it's all about mental heath. But when it's done by a minority, it's because they are thugs and rapists? Are they trying to make us all believe that a white male should be given a free pass because they were just a little mentally disturbed?

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“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

Keep sending your thoughts and prayers. Keep saying now is not the time to do something, as you pass the buck down the road till the next massacre.

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And do explain how that is going to work.

You mean the country that always has had guns? The country where I grew up in, where there were 12 gauge .410 .22 etc on the rack in the house

Well, those aren't military-style weapons, for a start. How about straightaway you ban the kind of military-style weapons used in this incident at Walmart and elsewhere from being sold anywhere in the United States to people who have no legitimate use for them (i.e. sell them to no-one). Get serious about penalizing people for illegal possession of firearms. Institute a gun buyback program along with the new laws, to encourage people to sell back newly-banned guns that were legal at the time they bought them. And yeah, if people don't give up or sell back their newly-illegal guns under the new laws, raid their houses, confiscate the guns and charge them. Stop deluding yourselves that a more heavily-armed citizenry can stop it, or that it's only a post 9/11 phenomenon - the records don't support you (see attached link). I'm also puzzled how you can make a connection between an attack on America by Yemeni/Saudi terrorists with a growing tendency for Americans to attack their own people. Doesn't make sense.

It's going to take decades, and it'll never be perfect, but you've got to start somewhere. In the meantime, blaming innocent victims as being "cowardly" showing "irrational fear" and "panic" and even for "running" under fire does your argument no good whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

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It always amazes me that right-wingers would rather spend thousands of dollars on guns, hours in training, go through endless hours to get a right-to-carry permit, or a concealed weapons permit, and to be extremely paranoid each and every time they go out, (instead of just having serious gun control laws) so that they can cope with this madness or enjoy this freedom! And.....to have dozens of people killed each and every week as a by-product of this freedom, just as long as it is not anyone they know. BETif these conservative posters had their own wives, girlfriends, and offspring wacked, you might see a change in attitude. MIGHT, that is. This cult is deep and complicated.

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Yes more of the same. Its working out quite well. blame and ban. and of course, Obama had it all right, and Trump came along and its all his fault.

I will start with myself. If you want to run and hide, fine. I would not react that way, in such a situation.

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If you want to run and hide, fine. I would not react that way, in such a situation.

How do you know?

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Thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore. US politicians need to come up with some measures to prevent this kind of thing from happening this often. I dont know where these "don't politicize tragedy" things come from, but it is their job...

I dont think banning gun like Japan does is not realistic in the US, but still there should have been done something.

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"Not a single shot was fired. He was taken in without incident."

Not before killing 15 people though. Where are the quick on the draw types who were supposed to get him sooner?? Oh and some advice, if you want to really stop the bad guy--- aim for the head.

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US politicians need to come up with some measures to prevent this kind of thing from happening this often

More of the same. how can a politician do anything for you, when their whole reason for existence is to get your vote, based on something they said they will do, then get nothing done. did Obama get assault weapons banned? Why cant it start with the individual? There was once a time when the individual held themselves accountable. If they suffered some "abuse" well they found ways to deal with it, other than harm others. Ive read over and over here, time and time again, its the politicians. Im not sold. You vote in your ultra liberal candidate, get the house and senate on the same team, and all the state legislatures on the same page, then I might. Its never going to happen.

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It always amazes me that right-wingers would rather spend thousands of dollars on guns, hours in training, go through endless hours to get a right-to-carry permit, or a concealed weapons permit,

That’s right.

and to be extremely paranoid each and every time they go out

That’s true unless you live in places like Chicago other than that I don’t know a single person that’s scared, what for? No reason to unless you live in a heavily crime infested area.

(instead of just having serious gun control laws)

We do.

so that they can cope with this madness or enjoy this freedom! And.....to have dozens of people killed each and every week as a by-product of this freedom, just as long as it is not anyone they know.

BS! It doesn’t matter, liberals are too funny, in their warped reality and it is exactly that, they think that they can remove every gun from this country, it will never, ever happen under any Democrat, Republican President, they tried it with alcohol and that did nothing to stop drinking, in fact, it enriched a lot of people and more people were killed because of the demand, guns are no different. I would never give up my guns to the government in the US.

BETif these conservative posters had their own wives, girlfriends, and offspring wacked, you might see a change in attitude. MIGHT, that is. This cult is deep and complicated.

I don’t think so and by the way, you don’t know who was killed or who was a conservative or liberal. A bullet has no name.

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How many mass shootings on Trump's watch? How many must die before he does something about the gun laws?

Texas does not have strict gun laws. Cowboy state.

Once again , young, white and male.

This is the third in a week.

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The news is sad for all those in involved family members, injured, etc. The responsible person picked the wrong state to commit this crime.

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What will the NRA do to stop the mass shootings?

Nothing!

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Looking more like a terrorist attack

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/03/el-paso-shooting-21-year-old-suspect-in-custody-as-officials-investigate-possible-hate

So we're now dealing with the sickness of white nationalism as well as the wretched gun culture.

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If it was a Muslim or Black that did this, Trump would use it as a platform to spew hatred. However, since it was a white male that did this shooting, he says nothing. His complete silence on this is really telling of his true character, and his followers will follow his doctrine of hatred no matter how wrong it is.

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Texas gun laws are so few, some of the least restrictive in the country. Easy peasy assault rifle shoot and kill.

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What will the NRA do to stop the mass shootings?

Hopefully convincing people to not trust the government and purchase legal firearms.

Unless that person is assessing your mental health to buy or remain in possession of a firearm.

And if it is concluded that I am unfit to have a firearm then so be it.

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Depriving people of the most fundamental of all rights - liberty - just so you can have relatively unfettered access to firearms.

But you want to deny my rights, interesting, but oh, so typical.

What Bass is proposing would be one of the most restrictive, intrusive forms of firearm control. The government would have to maintain a database on the mental health of a vast number of Americans.

Yes, but what Chip wants and thinks is that if we confiscate these firearms or abolish the 2nd amendment it would greatly reduce gun violence and it wouldn’t. It would just move underground.

The government would know where almost every firearm in the US is and the psychological profile of the owner. Being pro-firearm to protect yourself from your government in such a system is rather ridiculous.

Hmmm, but taking the guns of law abiding citizens is the better way? Lol

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Hopefully convincing people to not trust the government and purchase legal firearms.

Also, convincing their sucker members to buy more private jet flights for Wayne as it's a cult.

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bass4funk

Hopefully convincing people to not trust the government and purchase legal firearms.

You are forced to trust the government every single day with your life, your health, the quality of the water you drink, the air you breathe, the national defense of the country, your education, hospitals, police protection, laws and courts, driving, road and bridge safety, the safety of foods. The list is very long.

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Mister XToday  07:17 am JST

My condolences to the families of the victims, again so many innocent lives have been lost.

Please Japan keep your tight gun control at all costs, that's the only way to prevent these kind of massacres.

We can pray our lucky stars such a thing as the NRA doesn't exist in Japan.

I agree totally. Growing up in New York, I thought guns were a natural part of life like air and water and I was never afraid when seeing or hearing one. Coming here changed that feeling completely. Thank goodness! I might have been brainwashed forever like those who see the Second Amendment as sacred or something.

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You are forced to trust the government every single day with your life, your health, the quality of the water you drink, the air you breathe, the national defense of the country, your education, hospitals, police protection, laws and courts, driving, road and bridge safety, the safety of foods. The list is very long.

You are taking it way out of context, so let me rephrase that, I don’t trust Democrats when it comes to safety of this country domestically, absolutely not. Bridge safety...lol

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"Hispanic invasion" of Texas"

I'm beginning to wonder if history/geography is taught at US schools.

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Texas with its less restrictive gun laws has a gun homicide rate of 12.2, more than California at 7.9. and Illinois at 11.7.

In 2016, there were 3,353 victims of gun homicide in Texas, the highest of all states.

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And Robert Francis O’Rourke already using this for political attacks. Gotta use this tragedy to restart his 2020 hopes I guess.

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Let look at the larger picture. You have a nation that for the past 75 years has been at constant war/military activity, this latest mass shooting is the 240th this year, the people choose to make a mentally ill citizen their President, Pompeo is currently going around the world seeking support for military action against Iran and China. Furthermore, the US is now embarking on another arms race and  in the formation of a "Space Force" to militarise Space. This nation, the US, can only be described as mentally ill, killing and aggression in part of its psyche. This is the nation that wants to rule the world and our week kneed politicians are to afraid to take a stance. We the people must pressure our politicians to cut ties with the US, cut ties with this sick nation that will only lead us into more wars, more killings and more suffering,

Trump, warmongering, mass shootings are just a reflection of a nation that is mentally ill and the globe must resist its domination.

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bass4funk

I don’t trust Democrats when it comes to safety of this country domestically, absolutely not. Bridge safety...lol

So when there's a democrat government you leave your car at home. You don't cross those bridges but you always carry your concealed weapon with your Texan license but you don't own an assault rifle, why?

At night your family sleeps in a bunker.

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The Texas blue state turned red because of the lack of gun laws.

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"Right now, we have a manifesto from this individual that indicates to some degree a nexus to a potential hate crime," Allen said.

This is not going to be good.

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Don’t think so. Trump never pretended to be something that he’s not

How about pretending to be a success. He has failed at everything except being on TV which

was created and run by others. Is it six bankruptcies in total for Trump? And now of course he is trying to bankrupt the USA.

States that have lax guns laws have more gun crime. Fact. Look it up. Another example today.

No doubt this white terrorist was a huge Trump supporter and the manifesto mentioned mirrors comments by the right wing republican posters on this thread. In Japan, a civilized country, guns are illegal. El Paso

just had more deaths by guns in one day than Japan has in an average year. In 2017 three people were killed

in gun violence in Japan. So simple to understand, gun laws prevent gun crimes.

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Super convenient that the killer drove 600 miles all the way to the site of the scheduled Antifa border event. The place that just happens to be “Beto’s” hometown.

So that said “Beto” could do a Spanish Language tv interview and blame Trump for the shooting as a “racist”.

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In 2016, there were 3,353 victims of gun homicide in Texas, the highest of all states.

It’s a big State.

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There was a time that some of us can remember, where things were too "white" too boring, too safe, and it was so boring we made our own mischief, that young people today would be charged for felonies or shot. There were no scanners in schools, no security guards. Church was part of the weekly routine. Along the way, we could see changes. Outsourcing jobs to India, influx of Chinese came. 9 11, internet, and people came up with many "interesting" ideas. They got their diversity and now too "white" is all too wrong. Its interesting that America, with no border enemies, no shortage of resources, that people are at war with each other. The too "white" was perhaps, wrong. I mean, nobody has an issue calling Japan...too Japanese, but even when things were too white, I found people to be more tolerant. People would throw up a hand, help out somebody broke down on the road, help the disabled. My point is, if your going to replace something that is working, make sure you replace it with something better.

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Let look at the larger picture. You have a nation that for the past 75 years has been at constant war/military activity, this latest mass shooting is the 240th this year, the people choose to make a mentally ill citizen their President, Pompeo is currently going around the world seeking support for military action against Iran and China.

Uhhh.....What does China have to do with this?

Furthermore, the US is now embarking on another arms race and in the formation of a "Space Force" to militarise Space.

Space? Huh....?

This nation, the US, can only be described as mentally ill, killing and aggression in part of its psyche.

Apparently, you don’t travel frequently...a lot of killing in this world.

This is the nation that wants to rule the world and our week kneed politicians are to afraid to take a stance.

They know where their bread is buttered.

We the people must pressure our politicians to cut ties with the US, cut ties with this sick nation that will only lead us into more wars, more killings and more suffering, 

Yeah, in an alternate universe it might.

Trump, warmongering, mass shootings are just a reflection of a nation that is mentally ill and the globe must resist its domination.

Trump? Huh? How...never mind, so now back to reality, it’s amazing how liberals want to abolish the 2nd amendment, no solution, just the typical confiscate guns rants.

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It’s a big State.

And California is even bigger but in 2016 there were more gun homicide victims in Texas, the cowboy state. Explain that away.

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Condolences to all who lost loved ones today.

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Trump incited hatred against Mexicans leads to people taking their own hatred actions.

"Patrick Crusius, a 21-year-old man from Allen, Texas was arrested at the scene. He would later go on to tell investigators he wanted to shoot as many Mexicans as possible in the massacre"

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bass4funk: Another reflection of a sick society.

Global aggression and violent, even within its own borders.

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In February 2017, he liked a tweet by a user showing a photo of several guns positioned to spell out “Trump.” The tweet read, “I’m extremely proud to call Trump my President! He’s doing a wonderful job and is truly going to #MAGA! #MondayMotiviation.”

(news quote about Patrick Crusius)

The shooter is a Trump person.

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the land of the free to shoot anyone its not strange anymore that's what happen when u give people the freedom to buy weapon and there's more to come ...

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And California is even bigger but in 2016 there were more gun homicide victims in Texas, the cowboy state. Explain that away.

California is also the largest sanctuary state, California, you have more ranchers, more coyotes, foxes and other wild animals that feed on your livestock. There are many reasons, but let’s focus, your argument doesn’t hold weight because it won’t solve the gun issue and it won’t change the gun laws, so please don’t waste your time. And for all the talk of these liberal socialists, they wouldn’t do anything either if they would gain power unless they want to permanently end their political careers.

Global aggression and violent, even within its own borders

Not just the US.

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Why won't Trumpists call this what it is - terrorism?

As long as the hateful rhetoric continues, we will see more of these attacks.

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bass4funk

California is also the largest sanctuary state, California, you have more ranchers, more coyotes, foxes and other wild animals that feed on your livestock. There are many reasons, but let’s focus, your argument doesn’t hold weight because it won’t solve the gun issue and it won’t change the gun laws, so please don’t waste your time. And for all the talk of these liberal socialists, they wouldn’t do anything either if they would gain power unless they want to permanently end their political careers.

You are the first to jump in and blame the democrat cites for their gun homicides. Here we have a free loading republican state with relaxed gun laws that produce more gun homicides than the larger populated California.

Explain why there are more Texan gun homicides than California instead of dancing around the tumbleweed with your lame excuses. Less gun laws more deaths. The facts don't lie.

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Condolences to all who lost loved ones today.

In January 2017, he retweeted a Presler tweet that read, “Build that wall, Trump. Build it tall, Trump.

(news quote about Patrick Crusius)

The shooter is a Trump person. Also, doesn't he know that ladders can be used to go over walls?

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Fact is, that Trump's lies have stoked hatred, like the one in the shooter's (Patrick Crusius) manifesto. Because Trump has tried to sell his lie that all Hispanics are rapists and murderers, uneducated followers will believe in it. It's kind of like the lie that Trump is trying to sell about tariffs on Chinese products. Trump wrongly wants his followers to believe that the Chinese are paying for the tariffs and no money is being shouldered by Americans. Either Trump doesn't understand Economics 101, or he wants to sell that lie to his people.

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The shooter is a Trump person

NO he is not, read his manifesto.......... https://drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm

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Sadly, it's gotten to the point where the sign showing the number of days since the last mass shooting in America, should be changed to hours.

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Stop that voter fraud, Trump. Start with California, Trump. #ThankYouTrump.”

(news quote about Patrick Crusius)

The shooter is a Trump person.

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The shooter sure reads like a Trump supporter about Making America Great Again. America is only for the white people. What was that Trump called the Mexican people? Druggies, killers, rapists?

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Trump incites hatred with his tweets and rallies. Other people are aroused by all of that. Inciting hatred and then refusing to own it.

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There seems to be a rise in these lone white anti immigrant or black shooters. I dont get it, perhaps one of the more enlightened ones here can explain. I grew up around white people, never anything like this. Grew up around plenty of guns, to include guys who got out of the military and bought AR15, played with that. I have no interest in that but...there is a problem, that libs arent addressing. Im interested in knowing what it is. Like I said before...all white boring too safe was the norm. So whats going on now? and dont start with the Trump blame, it happened under Obama, Bush and started with Clinton.

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You don’t know what he was and even if he were a Trump supporter

The shooter is a Trump supporter. Proof:

Crusius reportedly told investigators he wanted to shoot as many Mexicans as possible.

(news quote)

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The shooter sure reads like a Trump supporter about Making America Great Again. America is only for the white people. What was that Trump called the Mexican people? Druggies, killers, rapists

Hogwash, if the shooter had hatred towards Hispanics now, it wasn’t because of Trump, it must have been something deep rooted and deep stead in his head or his lifestyle to think that. He could be a disgruntled racist liberal as well. Hatred is color and politically blind.

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Inciting hatred and then refusing to own it.

What nonsense!! I think the only people that are aroused and refusing to own up to the division are the media and the perpetrator who did this senseless act.

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start with the Trump blame

Yes, correct, the shooter is a Trump person. Proof:

Crusius liked and retweeted several pro-Trump photos and memes.

(news quote)

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In February 2017, he liked a tweet by a user showing a photo of several guns positioned to spell out “Trump.” The tweet read, “I’m extremely proud to call Trump my President! He’s doing a wonderful job and is truly going to #MAGA! #MondayMotiviation.”

(news quote about Patrick Crusius)

The shooter is a Trump person.

Guaranteed if you found that he liked any tweets by any users who like Obama, you would never point that out here. Not that if would be Obama's fault that this guy did this. Just like Trump has nothing to do with this guy.

America is only for the white people.

Au contraire, America is for everyone regardless of skin color. What was the unemployment rate for blacks and Hispanics again? Oh yeah, at a record low!

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Trump incites hatred with his tweets and rallies

Noooooo, but he does inspire hope and enthusiasm. Obviously you have never been to a Trump rally.

I'll admit it is difficult to get to most of them, they are always packed.

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Guaranteed if you found that he liked any tweets by any users who like Obama

Obama didn't hate Mexicans like Trump does. He wants to build a wall (that ladders can go over)

Not that if would be Obama's fault that this guy did this

It's Trump's fault. Proof of news quote:

Crusius reportedly told investigators he wanted to shoot as many Mexicans as possible.

The shooter is a Trump supporter. I can't believe that Trump people here are saying that the shooter is a President Hillary supporter. If he was a President Hillary supporter he would have shot up an evangelical Jesus church full of white people.

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The shooter is a Trump person.

I was just guessing but thanks for the confirmation. Trump is calling his mentally unstable gang of NRA KKK types to do just what happened in this tragedy. The republicans, with Trumps help, have taken the sheets off and now white terrorism is by far the number one crime problem for the FBI and for the country. Add that to the long list of Trump's negative accomplishments. How any sane person can support Trump is a 100% mystery. He is destroying the USA one white terrorist incident at a time. But of course there are very fine people on both sides as he stated in Charlottesville when one innocent person was run over by one white terrorist. This time there was one white terrorist and 20 dead innocents.

“You also had some very fine people on both sides,”

Trump is the defacto leader of white terrorists in the USA and worldwide as well (NZ shooter revered Trump).

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Root cause analysis :

Mass killing involves guns

Mass killing involves unfit people

Mass killing involves guns where unneeded by role

Conclusion : reduce guns, remove most authorizations, forbid weapons in nearly all places outside law authorities.

Do I earn Nobel peace prize ? (Don't tell M. Trumpet)

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Add that to the long list of Trump's negative accomplishments.

Especially in the business sector (how many parties has he burned). It's so funny when Trump people say that Trump is a good businessman when he made businesses like Trump university and burned banks. If you wanted a real talented businessman then we should have elected Bill Gates (and he actually has real hair and long long long long list of great accomplishments)

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I was just guessing but thanks for the confirmation.

Where is the confirmation?

Trump is calling his mentally unstable gang of NRA KKK types to do just what happened in this tragedy.

Proof? You mean the Democrats that scream Russia and racism every five seconds?

The republicans, with Trumps help, have taken the sheets off and now white terrorism is by far the number one crime problem for the FBI and for the country.

The FBI? The same corrupt organization that tried and failed miserably to take down the President, the same FBI who the Democrats just 8 years ago deemed a threat to To the civil liberties of all Americans?

Add that to the long list of Trump's negative accomplishments.

Dunno, the economy seems fine, like to see one Democrat prove that it’s not, good luck trying to take Trump on that.

How any sane person can support Trump is a 100% mystery.

Rhetorical question, look at the Democrats...seriously? Lol

He is destroying the USA one white terrorist incident at a time. But of course there are very fine people on both sides as he stated in Charlottesville when one innocent person was run over by one white terrorist. This time there was one white terrorist and 20 dead innocents. 

The only people that are destroying America are the, anarchist, socialists that want a one party rule.

Trump is the defacto leader of white terrorists in the USA and worldwide as well (NZ shooter revered Trump).

Huh? ROFL...

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"Yes. We've had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years . . . During an administration where you've had the president call Mexicans rapists and criminals."

Beto O'Rourke (8/4/2019)

Was the president involved?

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Where is the confirmation?

in January 2017, he retweeted a Presler tweet that read, “Build that wall, Trump. Build it tall, Trump.

(news quote about Patrick Crusius)

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Readers, you are going around in circles and just bickering. If you have nothing new to add to the discussion, then please take a break.

'Democrats want to abolish the 2nd Amendment'. This strawman is danced out way too often. Let him rest.

Anyway, just prayed for the gun violence to end. I'll let you know how that turns out.

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Watch the Democrats try to take law-abiding citizens' guns over a senseless act of terror.

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Watch the Democrats try to take law-abiding citizens' guns over a senseless act of terror.

Watch the Republicans plus other white nationalists, guns and ammo industry and their investors among others try to sweep the problem under the rug. Watch these same people deny millions of guns in circulation and rampant racism aren't problems.

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Mass shootings happened way before Trump, and I am not a Trump fan. Just someone with two eyes to read, and a functioning memory to recall dates.

If you want to blame someone, start with the shooter(s). Then you can thank both the NRA and gun lobby because they want more guns available, even though there are already enough for everyone who wants one.

I owned guns in the US, handguns and long rifles. I'm not a paranoid recluse who thinks I am so special that the government is watching my every move, so I have no issues with having full criminal background checks, mental health evaluations, providing references, waiting periods while all these things are processed, etc.

It would be a rare instance when someone really, truly needs a gun asap - want...yes, but need would be life or death instances in which one would already be in touch with the police anyway (stalker, criminal seeking revenge, domestic violence, etc).

People who are into guns vs those who know only what they see in movies - they chase down military style assault rifles as needing to be banned due to their aggressive looks, when a classic style hunting rifle can do the same damage if also in semi-auto version (not bolt action), and have either larger capacity magazines and/or jungle styled together (two mags taped together).

Are we banning up to a certain caliber? Are we banning based on looks? Just long rifles or handguns, too? Should the 2nd Amendment be updated to better reflect the day/age we now live?

Feel free to take a dump all over my post. You won't hurt my feelings.

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Very sad to see my country of birth devolve into complete chaos. I believe it is unlikely this problem will easily resolved and is complex on so many levels.

Absolutely the gun laws must be modified to reflect the current situation. The Founders had very good reasons for putting the 2nd Amendment into the Bill of Rights and I have read about this, studied it, and as a liberal person I agree with the original intent. However the world is far beyond what could have been imagined when the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791. The actual weapons have evolved as well.

The elephant in the room will be the millions upon millions of unregistered weapons. Will they need to be confiscated? If so; how? It is a difficult task.

Regarding guns; I fell the U.S. may have passed the point of no return where this is not a solvable problem

The other issue is the psychological state of the U.S. People can no longer rationally discuss issues. As a result of this we get a President like Trump and also on "my side" of the aisle some pretty radical reactions.

I fear deeply for the future of the U.S. and I fear that the country is going to experience extreme darkness before (if) things get better

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Watch the Republicans plus other white nationalists, guns and ammo industry and their investors among others try to sweep the problem under the rug. Watch these same people deny millions of guns in circulation and rampant racism aren't problems.

So what is the Democrat solution? Nobody cares what a few idiotic White Nationalists think, but forget about taking guns away or more gun control, or repeal the 2nd amendment it won’t happen, so what is the Democrat solution

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@douglaswhitman Should the 2nd Amendment be updated to better reflect the day/age we now live?

In my opinion it very definitely needs to be updated and rationally discussed. However, even though the Constitution permits changes I doubt the NRA and the guns and ammo industries will ever let that discussion happen. Look at how they've used their political muscle to stop federally funded research related to weapons.

Things like caliber size need to be looked at. I still can't understand why a .50 caliber round would be needed. I'm not talking about shotguns, instead .50 calibre handguns and rifles. I still can't understand why a semi-automatic is needed. Same as large capacity magazines.

I'm not 'dumping' on your post. I think honest discussions are the only way forward. Unless it's too late for them.

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Crusius reportedly told investigators he wanted to shoot as many Mexicans as possible.

and yet many say he isnt a Trump supporter. LMFAO

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In my opinion it very definitely needs to be updated and rationally discussed. However, even though the Constitution permits changes I doubt the NRA and the guns and ammo industries will ever let that discussion happen. Look at how they've used their political muscle to stop federally funded research related to weapons. 

They probably would. Both sides dig in their heels and use their political muscle to stand ground whether it’s the gun supporters or abortion pro-choice supporters.

Things like caliber size need to be looked at. I still can't understand why a .50 caliber round would be needed. I'm not talking about shotguns, instead .50 calibre handguns and rifles. I still can't understand why a semi-automatic is needed. Same as large capacity magazines. 

Because I have the right to own one. No reason needs to be given.

I'm not 'dumping' on your post. I think honest discussions are the only way forward. Unless it's too late for them.

Opposing teams are always welcome.

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@bas4f forget about taking guns away or more gun control,

The partisan extremist's approach to dealing with problems: if it's not a 100% fix, do nothing.

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Its right in the document.

“My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric.”

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I was waiting for CNN twist this into another anti Trump rant, and sure enough I only needed to watch for 10 minutes before they interviewed one of the democrat candidates, got to that immediately. Orange man bad!

Tasteless, to say the least.

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@willib I was waiting for CNN

Trying to help you here: tell your handlers that constantly mentioning CNN works against your reaching an audience other than the bigoted and benighted.

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I fear deeply for the future of the U.S. and I fear that the country is going to experience extreme darkness before (if) things get betterI fear deeply for the future of the U.S. and I fear that the country is going to experience extreme darkness before (if) things get better

The thing about it is, its a creation of our own making. There are no enemies across our borders invading us, no lack of natural resources. Its just an increase in population too fast. It wasnt like this back in the day, and not like this everywhere in the US. Ive found most of these shootings occur where there are a large immigrant community, or where leftist and rightist coexist or live / hate each other.

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If you look at the mass shootings problems as a complex problem, as a dynamic, then you'd recognize there are numerous variables that have contributed to the problem. And having a leader who continues to find ways to divide the country even more would be one of the variables. Trump's poor choices of words have definitely contributed to the problem.

Only partisan extremists see just zero or ones.

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Trump has incited so much hatred this year alone including personal attacks against the Muslim mayor of London. Another group he hates down on.

His voter base keeps up his hatred at rallies, screaming "send them back" but Trump does nothing to stop the chanting hatred. He just stands there for about 20 seconds letting them chant without stopping them.

Later, back at the WH he tries to disown the hatred by saying he didn't agree.

Trump inciting hatred will lead to more killings. Maybe next time, a bomb.

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I do agree, Trump needs to step up in these times, he can influence this for better or make it worse, and watch his mouth, but make no mistake, if one of these Dem loons gets in office, Im betting you will see a jump in these shootings. Trump needs to show some leadership right now and get off the tit for tat.

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The killer is a white supremacist. Trump praised white supremacists in Charlottesville.

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I think trying to convince myself "guns don't kill people!" "guns don't kill people!" "guns don't kill people!" .................

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