Australia locks in coronavirus vaccine deal as virus flare-up subsides

Like I said...the whole world is waiting for a vaccine to bring life back to normal.

And as many news already said, probably from beginning of next year.

Let us hope for the Best!

After a good and safe vaccine is implemented, all the fear mongering is over!

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/19/we-cant-lock-down-forever/

Lockdowns work and the vaccine is on the way??

Monty

Like I said...the whole world is waiting for a vaccine to bring life back to normal.

Count me out. I am not waiting for another mandatory vaccine for a disease with a death rate that is neglibible for the population under 65. What I am waiting for are new treatments, for which there are many promising options. But of course, big money for big pharma is in the vaccine area, that is true.

@Zaphod: Pretty selfish dude. What do people over 65 do? Lock them all up? What's your suggestion?

That article fails to mention that Morrison wanted to make vaccination mandatory (earlier today), but a later report coming out of The Australian (behind a paywall) hints he may have backed off from that, possibly due to a backlash. Not a good move anyway, unless you prefer authoritarians.

A flare-up in infections in Australia's second most populous state of Victoria forced authorities two weeks ago to impose a nightly curfew and shut large parts of the state's economy.

It didn't;t "force" Andrews et al to do anything - they went overboard, probably summoning the ghost of Erich Honecker for sage advice in a midnight seance by the look of it.

CSL up over 6% today.

Hopefully Victoria can be sorted out quickly - seems to have been a real mission to bring the outbreak under control there.

Monty - Like I said...the whole world is waiting for a vaccine to bring life back to normal

After a good and safe vaccine is implemented, all the fear mongering is over

I admire your enthusiasm, but it will be years, possibly decades before an effective vaccine is produced and administered to 7 billion people. It’s going to be many years before life gets some normality back into it, but it will never be the same as it was before the worldwide pandemic.

WakarimasenToday 02:51 pm JST

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/19/we-cant-lock-down-forever/

Lockdowns work and the vaccine is on the way??

Oh dear. The only people who ever link to Spiked Online on JT are the white supremacists from BNP/UKIP and that's because it's a far-right libertarian swamp funded by the notorious Koch brothers, and staffed by former Revolutionary Communist Group/Living Marxist troublemakers.

I don't know if that's you, but if it isn't maybe you should read these:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/how-britains-ultra-nationalists-are-being-bankrolled-by-ultra-rich-foreigners/18/06/

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1231/he-who-pays-the-piper/

Good.

Zahphod

The death rate is not negotiable.

Black Sabbath

Zahphod

The death rate is not negotiable.

I have honestly no idea what that is supposed to mean. Can you explain yourself?

I can only assume that those who when speaking about the lockdown in Victoria persistently evoke images of Eastern Europe behind the wall of Communism have neither experienced that for themselves, nor read widely enough to appreciate what to most people would be the obvious differences between the two.

I was a teenager when the Berlin Wall fell, and have talked to plenty enough people who lived through it in the Baltic states, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and there are some uncomfortable parallels. Maybe some people have more trust in governments than others.

gogogo

@Zaphod: Pretty selfish dude. What do people over 65 do? Lock them all up? What's your suggestion?

No, just be extra careful with them, and e.g. NOT send Corona patients in old age homes, like they did in NY. But vaccinating the whole population for an infection that is really only dangerous for a small population section should be a non-starter. Btw I am over 65 myself, so what is that about "selfish"?

Just heard that Scotty from marketing Morrison has said the vaccine should be COMPULSORY for all Australians. The language coming out of Australia continues to get more and more Orwellian.

@bigyen

Skynews is just like Fox News. Not much difference in how it was handled between states. Idiots doing the wrong thing seems to be the problem. At least he owned the Victorian situation.

BigYen

Btw I am over 65 myself, so what is that about "selfish"?

So, not selfish, then, but why on earth, at your age, would you not take advantage of a vaccine if one came along that was proven to be safe? Are you prepared to lock yourself away until the medical breakthroughs come (assuming that they do

I would have to be convinced that a vaccine is actually safe and effective, which is never the case for new vaccines. Also, there are co-morbidies. Even if you just look at the old-age group, reports from doctors consistently say that the people who die have other problems, typically morbese, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc etc.

As for me, thankfully I am healthy (healthier than 20 years ago, actually, since I came late to the concept of eliminating sugar and eating healthy). I take vitamin D and zinc every day, since a deficiency of either of those seems to be a big factor. Other than that, I skip the karaoke bars for the time being.

If I caught the bug I would make sure to ask the doctor to give me Hydroxychloroquine + zinc, since the countries that are free of the politically motivated anti-HCQ jihad seem to be successful with that, if given early.

OK, maybe more personal info than you wanted, but you asked...

sorry "morbese" -- "morbidly obese"

“No, just be extra careful with them, and e.g. NOT send Corona patients in old age homes, like they did in NY. “

Seems plausible

“So, not selfish, then, but why on earth, at your age, would you not take advantage of a vaccine if one came along that was proven to be safe?”

The day Scott Morrison takes it first is the day I consider it

“Morbese” is actually a great word!

Zaphod

Count me out. I am not waiting for another mandatory vaccine for a disease with a death rate that is neglibible for the population under 65. What I am waiting for are new treatments, for which there are many promising options. But of course, big money for big pharma is in the vaccine area, that is true.

"Negligible"? Estimates on the % of morbidity are 1-2% for healthy people under the age of 50, let's go the conservative end of that and say it's 1%. Do that math, should everyone get it.

"Big pharma"... sheesh.

kyronstavic

It didn't;t "force" Andrews et al to do anything - they went overboard, probably summoning the ghost of Erich Honecker for sage advice in a midnight seance by the look of it.

Really? They wouldn't have had to do anything, had people actually followed the earlier directives.

BigYen,

I appreciate the reply. Thing is, for the most part, governments broadly speaking are immune from the consequences their bad decisions deliver. So Andrews, Mikakos and others, plus the senior bureaucrats in the departments that handled their response get to keep their jobs and comfortable salaries, or get shuffled sideways with a slap on the wrist. But they rarely get fired off the bat, especially public servants. At least politicians can voted out, though given the Victorian Libs' dismal performance, it wouldn't surprise me if Labor won the next one as well.

In contrast, the lockdowns and curfews have deprived large numbers of business owners and their employees of a living, even though they could take measures to prevent the virus from spreading. I know people who are business owners and employees in Melbourne and regional Victoria who either can't work because of these restrictions, or the restrictions keep people away even though they're open. Meanwhile they've got bills to pay. loans and rent to service and the like, government welfare notwithstanding. It's devastating for their financial, mental and physical wellbeing. Meanwhile Andrews in particular but also the federal government and public service are nice and protected from the consequences of their actions.

There are some idiots who will flout commonsense and not protect people who are genuinely at risk of the virus, but they'd do that no matter what. But to punish everyone with a lockdown for the sins of a few is a step too, far, in my opinion.

If I caught the bug I would make sure to ask the doctor to give me Hydroxychloroquine + zinc

You have to be trolling, there is a reason why the FDA revoked its emergency use and released this statement.

We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19

Source: https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

gogogo

You have to be trolling, there is a reason why the FDA revoked its emergency use and released this statement.

Nope, I am not trolling, and the suggested (and apparently successful) use for HCQ is early, and in combination with zinc. Not "emergency use" at late stage and without zinc. This is a bait-and-switch recommendation, hopefully (but alas I am not sure) not done for political reasons. Same for a whole number of HCQ studies with negative results. They did NOT test the drug the way i.e. Didier Raoul recommends it, they tested something completely different.

Just a coincidence that it’s aBritish firm....

What makes you think Scotty will take it, given everything he's said (and walked back from) over the past few days?

Better get your arm ready, sport.

n1k1

There are vaccines for SARS and MERS they are just not licensed because they disappeared too soon

As will this one. All virus epidemics run their course. There are political and economic interests behind this fanatical push for a vaccine (possibly combined with microchipping).

@ zaphod

Microchipping really.

 What I am waiting for are new treatments, for which there are many promising options. But of course, big money for big pharma is in the vaccine area, that is true.

Far more money to be made in treatments if people don't vaccinate.

Zaphod

As will this one. All virus epidemics run their course. There are political and economic interests behind this fanatical push for a vaccine (possibly combined with microchipping).

Now everything you've said becomes just a lil' bit clearer.