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© Copyright 2021 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Authorities call fatal stabbing of UK lawmaker terrorist act
By JO KEARNEY and JILL LAWLESS LEIGH-ON-SEA, England©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Gobshite
Very sad. Sir David was one of the good ones. RIP
Luddite
Absolutely horrific. It appears it is terror related, the anti terrorism squad have taken over the investigation.
The Avenger
It's foolish to speculate on these things before we get actual evidence.
englisc aspyrgend
While the arrested man is of Somali origin, there is as yet no evidence as to his motives. The police investigation is in a very early stage. No doubt further information as to his motives will be garnered from his computer/phone etc.
Very concerning, these open surgeries held by MP’s are a fundamental part of our democratic system, MP’s must be accessible to their constituents.
His family will be devastated, heartbreaking.
Luddite
Who is speculating? It’s being investigated as a terrorism related. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58930593
ulysses
Shocking and so tragic.
From all accounts, he was highly respected and much liked.
I was puzzled by the ‘Surgeries’ part, now it’s clear.
Hervé L'Eisa
The murderer/assassin is a 25-year-old Somali man.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/15/conservative-mp-david-amess-stabbed-multiple-times-surgery-church1/
u_s__reamer
A second senseless homicidal attack on an MP , a terrible tragedy for his grieving family, and a symptom of the strain on the national psyche brought about by the heavy toll of Covid and the consequences of Brexit on the population, affecting first the mentally deranged who might be viewed as the canaries in society's cage. This murder will darken further the mood of the UK that may already be entering its "Weimar" period of social and political turbulence.
Gobshite
Sky News
Metropolitan Police has confirmed the fatal stabbing of Conservative MP Sir David Amess in Leigh-on-Sea in Essex has been declared as a terrorist incident with the investigation being led by counter-terrorism policing
itsonlyrocknroll
u_s__reamer you have the a stomach churning reprehensible audacity, before even Conservative MP Sir David Amess family have begun any grieving process to politicly weaponize his tragic death.
I will quote you,
A symptom of the strain on the national psyche brought about by the heavy toll of Covid and the consequences of Brexit on the population......Your own words you actually believe such nonsense.
There has been no reported suggestion that either Covid or Brexit, bears any relation to Conservative MP Sir David Amess death.
David Amess: MP’s killing declared a terrorist incident
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/15/counter-terrorism-police-take-over-inquiry-into-david-amess-killing
Despicable, contemptible sordid behaviour!!!!
How can you stoop so low?.
JeffLee
Guess what? Most of the developed countries, including Japan, are dealing with the "heavy toll of Covid" and "consequences" of the global supply-chain crunch "on the population." The Japanese, for example, are bringing in the Taiwanese to make semiconductors amid a global shortage.
u_s__reamer
@ itsonlyrocknroll
Admittedly, my post is all speculation, but that is all anyone can do at this point. I have since heard the perpetrator is of Somali origin and may have been politically motivated so it looks like a terrorist incident, which does not invalidate my inference that, ruling out a personal connection to the victim, no murder of a politician or public figure occurs in a vacuum, ie., political motives always lurk in the background, but so does mental derangement. Why this particular politician was targeted remains to be seen; it may have been planned or a random act. There is no doubt in my mind that the people of the UK have been suffering under great strain from all the myriad consequences of Covid , Brexit, and the egregious incompetence and gross irresponsibility of the "despicable, contemptible" political class who, with their callous, inhumane policies, have on a regular basis stooped even lower than I have with my "wild" speculations.
itsonlyrocknroll
Well stated, u_s__reamer, i was not attacking you personally just questioning you referral to brexit or covid.
There is little doubt that UK is suffering from a political vacuum. All of this is for a future thread.
bob
Notice the lengths they go to to avoid saying "A Somali Immigrant"
Tick-tock, tick tock....
u_s__reamer
@ itsonlyrocknroll
Thanks for your understanding. I was merely trying to put this killing in a context deeper than just a superficial kneejerk "act of terrorism" trope that stops people from thinking any further about the personal circumstances of the assassin driving him to this heinous deed. I feel the deepest sympathy for Mr Amess's bereaved wife and five children. No offense was intended and I hope we're still JT "friends".
Helix
”Mental issues” no doubt.
Time to sing Dont Look Back in Anger and make heart signs again.
kurisupisu
It is not a coincidence that Somalians are at a higher risk of carrying out these acts than others.
Having a right to remain in the UK or a UK passport does not dispel a lack of socialisation.
In 2021, it is all too easy to become a UK citizen and receive a UK passport.
Stable employment, a work history and a multiple choice test will do that.
Refugees may even find these requirements to be waived.
Somalia is a country which is unlike the UK and has more in common with Saudi Arabia.
The law is Sharia in Somalia.
However, the problem is much worse.
Not only is anarchy the norm in Somalia, there is also a problem of clan loyalty which pits its own citizens violently against each other.
Children are recruited as soldiers by all groups vying for power-violence is the order of the day.
It is little wonder that violent acts are committed by some immigrants in the UK coming from such a background.
With little education and traumatic childhoods, the risk of control by nefarious actors is high.
Alfie Noakes
Shocking news, the second time in five years a British MP has been murdered by an extremist. Other plots to murder politicians have also been foiled by the police and anti-terrorist squads during that time.
Pukey2
Horrible news.
This attacker and the attacker of Jo Cox would probably have attacked each other, given half the chance. Probably extremists on opposite sides of the spectrum.
bob
Fascinating statement for 2 reasons.
I never mentioned the UK. You know as well as I do its a global figure.
You see nothing wrong with 35000+Zichi is correct in this case. the correct term is "disintegrated" and "has"
starpunk
If he's 25 and a UK citizen then he may not be an 'immigrant'. Somalia had been in a multifaceted civil war thruout the 80s and the dictator Siad Barre was deposed in early 1991. That was over 30 years ago. So the assailant may have been born in the UK.
Somalia for all purposes has ceased to exist. After Siad Barre was deposed Somalia descended into anarchy and it's been a Humpty-Dumpty since. Various clan warlords are fighting each other there. How can Sharia be the law there when there is no law to speak of in Somalia? That's what anarchy is. The UN sent a peacekeeper force there in late 1992 and in 1993 the US got sucked into an ugly urban guerilla war. In 1995 the UN peacekeepers left, this 'nation-building' plan was a total bust. And Somalian pirates have plagued the shores and out in the indian Ocean. Pirates have no authorities outside of themselves and they have menaced everyone they could.
That's the hateful rhetoric that Trump used and he turned out to be a greater terrorist threat than any or all immigrants put together. The ISIS ideology has drawn people from all over the world into its ranks. This assailant may be a 'lone wolf' or maybe not. Nonetheless this is a morbid disgusting act.
bob
um...yeah. thats what I just explained. Global figures.
I think pudding and a nap better come early today.
kurisupisu
I would appreciate a link to his bio stating that.
How is it known that the attacker knows nothing of Somalia?
What the attackers knows or doesn’t know, believes or doesn’t believe is not public knowledge at present.
Jimizo
I don’t think it was a ‘liberal’ idea. Your idea seems closer to the neocon idea of everyone wants to live in free, democratic societies. This was part of the hubris which led to the disasters in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The British idea of ‘multiculturalism’ was an idea that people from different cultures should not be forced into ‘Britishness’ ( that concept was never clearly defined ). People should not be pressured to live or believe as the native population do. I can remember the former Tory PM Cameron extolling this idea.
There are many who believed this approach has failed and created isolated pockets of groups in society rather than integration.
Hito Bito
So sad. I condemn all forms of violent terrorism, no matter the perpetrators, no matter the method.
But...We were earlier talking around here about how the press never seem to "follow up" on terror-related incidents, particularly if a certain form of religion is involved. Some were skeptical.
Well, now that it's been confirmed that the "bow and arrow" attacker who murdered 5 in Norway...yes, was a convert to a certain form of religion, and yes, he was known to have been "radicalized" prior to the horrific attack...(somehow the "authorities" didn't do anything about that "radicalized" individual before it was too late...why?)
Well guess what?...
...there's nothing about that here at JT! Zero follow-up from any media source. Hmm...wanna bet that this incident, too, will somehow fail to find a follow-up report here...should the aggressor too belong to a certain form of religion?? I'd bet money on it!
kurisupisu
@Zichi
I find nothing in the news to suggest that the attacker was or was not born in the UK.
Not that really means anything these days.
Furthermore, I have not read anything that suggests the attacker had not visited Somalia
Whether that is pertinent or not has yet to be discovered.
Jimizo
The broader question of what drives extremists is an interesting one. For the far-right, the factors of low IQ, unbalanced temperaments and a weakness for conspiracy theories are very noticeable. Also, they are primarily driven by fear. With jihadis, if we look at the 9/11 attackers, they were not the kind of fear-filled morons I just described. Many were highly educated.
I hold out hope for neuroscience.
kurisupisu
@ Starpunk
I’d wager that the overwhelming number of Somalians are Muslims-at least the women in the UK that I see, seem to all cover their heads and bodies in accordance with the teachings found in the Koran which espouses modesty.
kohakuebisu
Awful news. Twice in five years. The British voting system has many problems, but one advantage of first-past-the-post voting is that it makes the elected responsible for their constituents, and like Jo Cox, Amess was killed at a regular meeting with his. Such meetings are a vital part of what democracy there is in the UK. It was democracy that gave the killers the access to get at both MPs, and it will be a secondary tragedy if such access has to be limited or curtailed for MPs' safety.
RIP
Alfie Noakes
The neo-Nazi paedophile Jack Renshaw was arrested in 2017 before he could carry out his planned murder of Labour MP Rosie Cooper with a Roman short sword he'd bought for the purpose. He also intended to murder a police detective before committing "suicide by cop."
Given the two murders and Rosie Cooper's close call, it's clear there will have to be changes in MP security at these meetings with constituents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-44798649
fulaan
ignorant scum giving islam and muslims a bad name.
ive been reading the quran and hadeeth everday for over 50 years and never felt like harming anyone.
Zaphod
fulaan
That is great, however this is not about "feeling". Shariah law states very clearly how those who violate its laws must be punished.
Harry_Gatto
Interesting that you seem to be so devout but you don't refer to the book correctly as the Holy Quran.
Harry_Gatto
There will be a few more now after this killing.
Harry_Gatto
If they are radical enough to require constant surveillance then they should, IMO, be rounded up and deported.