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© Copyright 2021 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Biden announces sweeping new vaccine mandates for 100 million Americans
By Zeke Miller WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
70 Comments
Numan
Tech workers still leave the house and interact with the general public, so they can still spread the virus in their private lives.
Infection is still infection regardless of the circumstances.
proxy
I suspect many folks will quit if they work for a company with more than 100 workers and go work for a small business. This is s great way to help out small business struggling to find workers.
GdTokyo
Not as glad as we are.
Numan
FOXNews requires its employees to be vaccinated or get tested every week for COVID-19!!!
Oh, my...................!
girl_in_tokyo
Biden: "I'm tired of askin' nice. We can do this the easy way, or the hard way."
Good.
Haaa Nemui
People keep saying this but it’s actually false. Every person that requires treatment, vaccinated or not, puts others at risk. Proportionately, there are far more unvaccinated using medical care that could have gone to someone else had they taken the option of a tiny amount of discomfort instead. I’d say if you agree to forgo the medical treatment, then fine, don’t get vaccinated.
Strangerland
We'll try to remember to cry when we get home from being out and about enjoying life without a bunch of anti-societal unvaxxed around.
Sanjinosebleed
virusrexToday 08:46 am JST
Sorry but you need better sources the information from your link has been completely debunked from weeks ago.
Vaccines work, much better than what was expected during trials, and even against variants for which they were not designed for.
The only one promoting bunk here is you!
plasticmonkey
Nothing happy about a raging pandemic and people doing what they want just to own the libs. Grow up.
GenHXZ
As the majority of the comments here prove Biden point and reason the rules have to be made - you cannot reason with idots. These are supposed 'adults' and they are destroying the 'freedoms' of others for their idotic conspiracies.
Strangerland
I'm entirely confident the vaccine works, and I'm worried about unvaccinated people. Unfortunately, as much as the extremists would like, we don't live in a binary world, and as such, the vaccine is not 100% effective, meaning that those of us living in the real world, you know, not a fantasy land of binary extremes, have something to worry about from the unvaccinated.
Unfortunately, trying to explain to a binary thinker that the world is not binary gets met with stares of confusion, same as if you tried to explain how something isn't the right blue to a blind person.
Desert Tortoise
That is exactly the argument Associate Justice John Harlan uses in the majority opinion he authored for Jacobson v Massachusetts 197 U.S. 11 (1905) in upholding the right of the state of Massachusetts to require all residents to receive a vaccination against smallpox or face a fine and/or jail during one of the frequent smallpox epidemics that plagued that era.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
How does it disproportionately affect people of color and poor people? I'm not seeing it.
Express sister
That's terrible. If only they had been vaccinated, they'd likely still be alive.
ulysses
Even more decisive than Obama.
If it saves even one life, it is worth all the lawsuits rudy and sydney might file. They will be defeated and dragged out of the courts.
Express sister
Woah, that sucks. Sounds like they should get vaccinated, if you ask me. I think you should lay off of the identity politics, too.
GdTokyo
First it was “the vaccine is unproven!” And then hundreds of millions of doses were given with adverse side effects about as likely as being struck by lightning multiple times.
Then vaccines were a conspiracy by big tech to implant microchips in the bloodstream. A conspiracy posted no doubt from a phone that never leaves one’s side....
Then it was “The vaccine is not approved for use.” Oops, now what?
Then (This one’s my personal favorite) “Religious exemption!” Please state for me the mainstream religious bodies Christian, Jewish, Islamic or otherwise that take a position against vaccines -not some fringe pastor, an actual organizing faith.
Then it was “Ma freedumb! Tyranny!” We have any number of restrictions/requirements on public conduct from not smoking indoors to required vaccination to attend public school and not one has been the subject of a debate.
And then by far the weakest: “It’s personal choice. If you want one - fine. If you don’t -fine.” That’s an argument for smoking, something I recently gave (am trying to give) up. See, here’s the deal, when I smoked, I was only killing myself because I didn’t smoke in the house or around others (well, I smoked around other smokers...)
On the other hand, purposely choosing not to get a proven safe and effective vaccine not only puts oneself at risk, it creates the environment for a highly infectious (I like to joke it spreads faster than an STD at Coachella) and highly lethal disease to infect others.
So in summary, the conspiracy-addled “choice” to act contrary to public health is an anathema to a functioning democracy We don’t have a pandemic of the unvaccinated, we have a pandemic of morons and cultists
Or as Howard Stern so profoundly put it, “Duck your freedom” (Insert another consonant).
Looking forward to the day when proof of vaccination will be required to attend virtually any public event Then I’ll know that my fellow attendee is as committed to my health as I am to his/hers.
plasticmonkey
They can get vaccinated and keep their job. It's called personal responsibility. That's what the GOP is all about, right?
GdTokyo
There has yet to be a documented case of someone dying either as a direct result of vaccination or from COVID after vaccination.
Yes, shocker, people die. Did they die of COVID? There is no data yet to affirm on the other hand there is rather a lot of data that says the unvaccinated die of COVID and expose others to risk at a statistically significant rate.
The odds of a fully vaccinated person contracting a serious (meaning requiring a vent) are about 1 in 160,000. I’ll take those odds any day.
Jay
I'm kinda surprised by these comments. I thought authoritarian-esque behaviours exhibited by governments were usually condemned by people around here.
I've been vaccinated myself but I'm definitely not cool with anyone being forced to inject something into their bodies against their will.
Test them, and test them often. It's the only way to really know if anyone is carrying the virus anyway, since it's known that vaccinated people can in some cases also catch and spread it. And perhaps the inconvenience of being constantly tested might encourage people still on the fence to get the vaccine.
Skeptical
Also, isn't OSHA already pretty understaffed? This from about six months ago:
Interviews with former OSHA officials, workplace safety experts, attorneys, union leaders and workers paint a portrait of an agency struggling with Trump-era reductions to its inspector ranks, a wave of pandemic-related complaints and shifting public health guidance. As panicked employees turned to the agency tasked with ensuring that their workplaces are safe, OSHA was unable to meet the demand for inspections and enforcement.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article249891823.html
ulysses
Sir, we are equally happy that you have the freedom to be jobless!!!
Express sister
This is an excellent example, because smoking does not only harm you. There have been numerous studies that show that second-hand smoking, while not as dangerous as smoking directly, increases the risk of lung cancer among non-smokers. After even one cigarette, the effects of breathing around others can affect them and increase the chances they will get sick.
It's like the vaccine. If you don't take it, you are definitely the one most at risk. But you are also putting others at risk.
Congratulations on deciding to quit smoking. I know how hard it can be, and I wish you the best of luck.
justasking
This is hard to understand for Republicans. They refuse covid vaccine, which was tested world wide on the entire population, but willing to take Ivermectin with just anecdotal efficacy. Talk about stupid.
Mr Kipling
Way to go Joe Biden!
No jab? no job!
No jab? No flight!
Make life as uncomfortable as possible for the anti-vaccine cultists.
The Avenger
One person’s liberty can’t trump everyone else’s.
https://news.yahoo.com/surprisingly-strong-supreme-court-precedent-040057253.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
PTownsend
At this point, if the anti-vaxx, anti-government Americans are still unwilling to heed the advice of most medical scientists (in private practice and working for the government), and instead want to believe that using medications created for animals, or injecting disinfectants is the way to deal with what they have claimed was just another flu, then let them self-select out of the ability to vote and breathe.
Blacklabel
Flip flop from July 23rd:
“Is that a sign that perhaps the federal government should step in and issue mandates? And if not, are you putting the needs of unvaccinated people ahead of the needs of vaccinated people?
MS. PSAKI: Well, I think the question here — one, that’s not the role of the federal government; that is the role that institutions, private-sector entities, and others may take. “
stormcrow
Wonderful speech! Vaccine passports! Vaccine passports!
Michael Machida
Im not trusting Biden these days. Something is amiss.
Blacklabel
Say what? No one has died from the vaccine or of COVID after being vaccinated? No one?
virusrex
Sorry but you need better sources the information from your link has been completely debunked from weeks ago.
Vaccines work, much better than what was expected during trials, and even against variants for which they were not designed for.
JeffLee
A political leader willing to take tough action to tackle the toughest problem of all. That's certainly refreshing. Too bad Biden cant come here to Japan to run this country.
plasticmonkey
Refusing the vaccine is similar to refusing to get health insurance. When you get sick you end up costing everyone else who took part
Personal health and public health should go hand in hand
Desert Tortoise
Vaccines reduce both the frequency of infection very much and in the few cases where a vaccinated person does have a breakthrough infection the symptoms are much less severe if any at all. But just moving on means mass deaths and a lot of survivors with permanent lung damage that diminishes their health forever. This is not the path to success. Without mass vaccination there is no moving on.
Jimizo
Good leadership from Biden. I heard one unkind observation that the anti-vaxxers tend not to be the most productive or brightest lights in the economy, but almost all have a part to play.
I’m off tho live in the US in the near future, and it’s good for me to see steps taken to improve public health there.
Skeptical
For the OSHA 100 employee mandate, does that mean both in-person workers and remote workers? Many/most tech is still working from home.
Strangerland
It's a conspiracy. You should make sure the world knows about this travesty.
bass4funk
Glad I don’t work for the government.
PTownsend
Media outlets publishing posts from misinformation and disinformation spreaders need to be willing to accept their roles in dragging the pandemic out.
OssanAmerica
This is good news. The vaccination rate in the US is still only 53%. Excludiung the people who have valid medical reasons to not be vaccinated, the rest need to be "coerced" through every legal measure possible. Those crying "discrimination" have no idea what the word really means.
Express sister
Good.
GdTokyo
This is not a correct interpretation of the data. The Vaccine is highly effective, 90% or more. Roughly similar to measles and small pox. The difference for measles and small pix is that everyone (almost) has been vaccinated and thus the pool of virus to encounter is so infinitesimally small that it just doesn’t happen.
Not so with COVID. You still have between a 5-10% chance of infection (but zero risk of death) and the pool of virus is still significant due to anti-vaccine morons.
Thus the vaccine mandate.
Wakarimasen
Another blow to the economy. And another flat and uninspiring speech. And much of the programme still not convincingly backed by data about Covid.
Skeptical
Tech workers still leave the house and interact with the general public, so they can still spread the virus in their private lives.
Key to this is, when considering OSHA's statutory power to regulate workplace safety, is private life versus employment life. If an employee endangers oneself or others off the clock and off the premises of his/her employer, then every OSHA statute and regulation imaginable will not apply. Thoughts on expanding OSHA's powers to off-site and off-clock conduct should come from the legislative branch, not the executive.
Sanjinosebleed
Waste of time! After 6 months the Pfizer and moderna vaccines lose most of their efficacy
https://www.coronaheadsup.com/coronavirus/israel-85-90-of-the-hospitalizations-are-in-fully-vaccinated-people/
Open it up and move on!
FizzBit
Not surprising
The immunotherapy shots are not working as they should, even the CDC has had to change the definition of “vaccine” to fit the immunotherapy shot. This is the best way to avoid those headlines.
Blacklabel
So we can expect the DOJ to sue the Biden administration claiming this is unconstitutional, right?
if the vaccinated thought their vaccine actually works as they claim, they wouldn’t be worried at all about unvaccinated people.
Hervé L'Eisa
Harsh reality is that the several jabs are far less effective against the virus than other actually effective vaccines(small pox, TB, Yellow Fever, etc.) and are much more like the influenza jabs that are 50/50 at best.
I've had countless vaccinations in the past (prior military service), so I'm not anti-vax. But this is utterly ridiculous and useless.
I must already be immune since I've had direct contact with a few people who have had the 'rona, but haven't been sick. I also haven't had a cold or flu in over a decade.
Blacklabel
yet people have dies from the vaccine itself and also after being vaccinated. thats not zero.
maxjapank
Excellent!
WA4TKG
It Just Gets Better & Better.
bass4funk
And I’m equally glad about that. I like my freedom
Blacklabel
Polls have repeatedly shown vaccine hesitancy among Republicans, but data from the CDC shows only 10% of the Black population and 16% of the Hispanic population, both of who overwhelmingly vote Democrat, are fully vaccinated.
Blacklabel
People of color who are unvaccinated will lose their jobs during a time of pandemic, high inflation and poor economy.
As I showed. both Black and Hispanic Americans have extremely low vaccination rates and will be fired. How can they support their families with no job?
Blacklabel
That’s odd. Anything else that disproportionately affects people of color is immediately criticized and legally challenged.
last time Black people let the government inject them it was called the Tuskegee “experiment”.
all 13 who died were unvaccinated Black Americans. Who are as a group are woefully under vaccinated.
Yrral
Too little too late Osha had the power to shut down and fine businesses,that violate workers,right to be protected from Covid
Blacklabel
Even more divisive than Obama.
going to get sued pretty much immediately.
bass4funk
I’m just glad most of Texas does what it wants, makes for a happier community.
bass4funk
I never said that nor did I imply that. I don’t work for the government, never had a government job, never would take a government job, always loved the private sector. Stop trolling please. People that work in the government, I get it, you don’t have a choice or at least limited. I don’t fall in that category.