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Blinken to Taliban: Any legitimacy 'will have to be earned'

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By CHRISTOPH NOELTING and GEIR MOULSON

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If that were indeed true then the Democrats wouldn’t need to try to impeach him again

Each crime deserves a punishment , wouldn't you agree?

Impossible since it’s the Democrats are in charge and it’s on the Democrats hands that they left Americans behind

No sir the American right support the taliban!!!

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Oh he very much is dear sir.

If that were indeed true then the Democrats wouldn’t need to try to impeach him again

Though the American right now support taliban

Impossible since it’s the Democrats are in charge and it’s on the Democrats hands that they left Americans behind

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I’ll take the word of all the special ops that are down there that see things how it is on the ground over anything that Tony Blinkin and Joseph Biden say, these people are risking their life to go in there with no help from the government whatsoever, they have no reason to lie, now this White House on the other hand, they have every reason to lie

Sir, who can doubt the word of a decorated war hero like you.

But everyone says what President Biden did was right despite 45 trying to harm our own military!!

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I’ll take the word of all the special ops that are down there that see things how it is on the ground

There aren't any. All the US troops are gone. They've left Afghanistan. It was kind of a big deal. Didn't you hear about it?

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No, he didn’t and he won’t and he knows it

Oh he very much is dear sir.

Though the American right now support taliban and don't want anything to do with Americans left there.

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The left keep trying and they know it’s not true

Sir it is true, I have very good sources.

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I’ll take the word of all the special ops that are down there that see things how it is on the ground over anything that Tony Blinkin and Joseph Biden say, these people are risking their life to go in there with no help from the government whatsoever, they have no reason to lie, now this White House on the other hand, they have every reason to lie

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why did the Afghan government fall in 11 days? Quit pretending 45 played no role in that. He did. It’s not all on him, but it is he; not Biden, who legitimized the Taliban by negotiating directly with them without the Afghan Government.

When 45 begged the taliban to nominate him for a Nobel, released 5000 prisoners and didn't involve teh Afghan government , he laid the foundation for the collapse.

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No sir, he is barely earning anything,

The left keep trying and they know it’s not true, but I know they wish it was true, that’s the reason why they’re trying to impeach him one more time.

No sir it is not, he is getting everyone out.

No, he didn’t and he won’t and he knows it

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Well, he did

I am sure he gave it to only a few honorable dignitaries like you.

According to the properties that he owns as well as the royalties investments that he’s getting from sales and stocks and options, I would say probably not

No sir, he is barely earning anything, the Washington property is up for sale and the family is going on Cameo to make money now. Such a sad state.

He just left Americans behind which is worse

No sir it is not, he is getting everyone out.

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All the big ideas about what Biden should have done would have led to either the continuation of the war or an open admission that the US knew the Afghan government was finished and just didn’t care. (Nothing says “we believe in you” like evacuating all personnel, destroying equipment and whisking away any Afghan who ever helped us before pulling the military out)

why did the Afghan government fall in 11 days? Quit pretending 45 played no role in that. He did. It’s not all on him, but it is he; not Biden, who legitimized the Taliban by negotiating directly with them without the Afghan Government.

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No sir, he didn't.

Well, he did

My sources tell me his fortune is turning negative. Bankruptcy soon!

According to the properties that he owns as well as the royalties investments that he’s getting from sales and stocks and options, I would say probably not

But sir, President Biden hasn't released any prisoners.

He just left Americans behind which is worse

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To take every last nature resource that country has.

That is very deep dear sir.

What is 'Nature Resource' though?

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So why did Biden do that?

Do what dear sir?

And he wrote the art of the comeback which he doubled his fortune.

No sir, he didn't. My sources tell me his fortune is turning negative. Bankruptcy soon!

Biden got nothing in return and the Americans left behind didn’t get anything either.

But sir, President Biden hasn't released any prisoners. He has just followed the former president's plan!

You cannot be suggesting the former president didn't have a plan!!!!

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To take every last nature resource that country has.

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Afghanistan doesn't need US legitimacy.. It will now have the much more reliable backing of China.

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The military wouldn’t agree with you. Leave no man behind are not just words. 

So why did Biden do that?

That wonderful book from a man who bankrupted a casino.

And he wrote the art of the comeback which he doubled his fortune.

No surprise he gave taliban 5000 prisoners and got nothing in return.

Biden got nothing in return and the Americans left behind didn’t get anything either.

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Eyes and ears and stability on the ground as far as making sure that Afghanistan does not return to a terrorist state and safe haven for radical Jihadists to put attacks against the west and now that window is gone

Totally, I still remember your brilliant idea about a small but substantial force, lightly but heavily armed, peaceful yet violent.

Bet they don’t teach that at Westpoint.

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Then why would Obama make a deal in a prisoner swap exchange for American deserter, that should’ve never happened.

The military wouldn’t agree with you. Leave no man behind are not just words.

The Art of the Deal.

That wonderful book from a man who bankrupted a casino. No surprise he gave taliban 5000 prisoners and got nothing in return.

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The notion that the Taliban will need American largesse to keep governing ignores that

1) they have a stockpile of 'lightly used' military equipment to sell on the open market

2) they're the neighbor of the largest trading network in the world which is looking for a secure supply of minerals, and a rail network connected to the Afghan border.

3) unlike the Imperium's imposed government, they don't require a vast standing army to remain in power.

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Biden could have changed the date and sent back in 50,000 troops which would have gone against his campaign promise to bring all the troops home.

Ok, but still Biden could have changed the pre-conditions if he wanted. He didn’t

And that he did. Plus more than 120,000 Afghan refugees. The military also destroyed much of the military hardware.

No, they did not, not according to various Special Ops sources, not even close

The end of the war but still not paid for. That will fall due in 2050 with interest, $6.5 trillion. What did America get for its dollar?

Eyes and ears and stability on the ground as far as making sure that Afghanistan does not return to a terrorist state and safe haven for radical Jihadists to put attacks against the west and now that window is gone

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Biden could have changed the date and sent back in 50,000 troops which would have gone against his campaign promise to bring all the troops home. And that he did. Plus more than 120,000 Afghan refugees. The military also destroyed much of the military hardware.

The end of the war but still not paid for. That will fall due in 2050 with interest, $6.5 trillion. What did America get for its dollar?

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Helix

And to think Trump thought he could have trusted them, the Taliban and didn't even include the Afghan government in the Doha negotiations.

The broken record of falsification just keeps going.

My bad! So the Trump Doha Taliban Peace Agreement wasn't actually true? Just another Trump big lie, like the 20,000 plus he told daily while in office. Thank you for letting me know.

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@sunfunbun, et al,

The suggestion that wars are fought to benefit arms manufacturers ignores basic realities.

This rhetoric was popularized in response to the World Wars and Korea, in which large amounts of expensive hardware were being destroyed.

Modern assymetrical conflicts are not like this. In 20 years the Taliban has destroyed, what? Two helicopters and a few Humvees? Not exactly astronomical sums of money there, folks.

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This just in:

Accoding to ABC, The interior ministry of the new Taliban government has issued an order to end all protests in the country — unless demonstrators get prior permission, including approval of slogans and banners. It’s unlikely the women who have been leading near daily protest demanding their rights from the country’s hardline Islamic rulers will be allowed to protest under the new rules. In the words of the ministry's statement: “It is announced to all citizens not to attempt at the present time to hold any demonstrations under any name whatsoever.”

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-germany-skeptical-taliban-government-79892264

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Trump/Pompeo to Taliban Feb 2020: We surrender!

He’s not the President and yet, he’s invited to the 9/11 memorial and Biden the current that botched this isn’t.

Did you notice we excluded the current Afghan government from our negotiations like you asked us to?

How does that absolve Biden from the decision that he made, that dreadful decision?

Now were ready to capitulate on all your demands and give you a date when we will withdrawal,

Well since Biden gave everything up and give the Taliban a Christmas list of the best military equipment available, now they have enough firepower to thwart us if we decide to invade the Country once again, and this president was excoriated in the British Parliament as well as Germany in Australia, again keep the blame where it rests, the current president

so you can plan your takeover. And to be extra nice, we'll tell the government to release the 5K Taliban, ISIS, and Al Qaeda prisoners for nothing but your promises.

Then why would Obama make a deal in a prisoner swap exchange for American deserter, that should’ve never happened.

The Art of the Deal...

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Something like 85% of Afghanistan's economy is dependant on international aid. The Taliban need for that money to keep coming.

So, yes, we do have every right to tell them what we expect from them in exchange for it.

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And to think Trump thought he could have trusted them, the Taliban and didn't even include the Afghan government in the Doha negotiations.

The broken record of falsification just keeps going.

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What right does the US have to hold the Taliban, or any other government, to its standard of "legitimacy"? Has he forgotten about the guy who just got impeached twice, lost an election by 7 million votes, and claims - along with 30-40 million imbeciles that he is still the rightful president of the US, and is still seeking to overturn the result of an election held 10 months ago?

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And to think Trump thought he could have trusted them, the Taliban and didn't even include the Afghan government in the Doha negotiations.

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The US left according to a schedule it set for itself, as opposed to being "chased out."

Biden could have changed the date, he didn’t and the image of people falling from the plane and rushing and holding on to it will always be remembered as what Biden’s legacy is ultimately and he can never run from that decision he made.

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You keep repeating this but it’s not true. What is your reasoning behind this? Or are just unaware of the facts?

Sir, do you deny the former president got 5000 taliban released???

These are facts, I am sure they must have escaped your attention.

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the Taliban just chased you out of Afghanistan with your tail between your legs, 

No they didn't. Biden announced the Aug. 31 pullout deadline back April. Trump announced a May pullout deadline back in early 2020, which Biden extended. The US left according to a schedule it set for itself, as opposed to being "chased out."

I think at this point the Taliban see Blinken is a paper tiger….and the laughing continues..

You do realize the Taliban are delusional, as in crazy? I would be concerned if Blinken actually cared what crazy people think of him. Like, who cares?

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Blinken to Taliban Sep 2021: Any legitimacy 'will have to be earned'

Trump/Pompeo to Taliban Feb 2020: We surrender! Did you notice we excluded the current Afghan government from our negotiations like you asked us to? Now were ready to capitulate on all your demands and give you a date when we will withdrawal, so you can plan your takeover. And to be extra nice, we'll tell the government to release the 5K Taliban, ISIS, and Al Qaeda prisoners for nothing but your promises.

The Art of the Deal...

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What good legacy does Biden have so far?

The best and biggest so far was denying Trump a second term in office.

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The Taliban literally couldnt care less what Blinken has to say. Joe Biden and his fellow incompetents are a joke to them.

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Western nations making "demands" are showing they do not really want the Taliban to comply. You do not talk down to people you want to co-operate with. You make requests or encourage them to "qualify" for recognition by reaching the following goals like freedom of access and to leave the country, allowing women to go out on their own to work and study and shop etc. By making it a demand they undermine their own positions. Have they learned nothing?

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a foreign o policy debacle doesn’t necessarily mean a president can’t have a decent legacy. 

What good legacy does Biden have so far?

Remember Bush 2. I’m surprised you totally glossed over this in your reply.

Because I addressed it so many times.

He started this whole horror story and yet you regard him as a successful president

In getting rid of Saddam, the butcher of Baghdad, it was a good thing and remember: no one misses him as well as ensuring that we had a foot on the neck of the Taliban with eyes and ears on the ground in Afghanistan and now we have neither.

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Chaos leads to reasons for the US to further concern itself to intervene and America will find a way to send troops somewhere. The military and war is America's gold. They know it and will always promote the idea of enemies and nations to disagree with.

If the Taliban never becomes legitimate in the US eyes, that's OK for the red, white and blue. In fact, likely there are operatives and politicians who don't want the Taliban to ever get along with America, it's another excuse to make money thru war.

It's not a Biden thing, for those who want to blame him.

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Maybe Biden’s legacy won’t be as bad as you think. Time will tell.

Oh, I vehemently disagree

Okay, but as you and your unnamed non-partisan historians have stated, a foreign o policy debacle doesn’t necessarily mean a president can’t have a decent legacy.

Remember Bush 2. I’m surprised you totally glossed over this in your reply. He started this whole horror story and yet you regard him as a successful president.

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Maybe, but when it comes to Afghanistan, we can all agree that the lion’s share of the blame for this 20-year debacle belongs to Bush 2,

As well as Obama

Maybe Biden’s legacy won’t be as bad as you think. Time will tell.

Oh, I vehemently disagree on that one as well as the majority of veterans. For a sitting President to be asked not to come to the 20th anniversary of 9/11 is historically significant. He actually surpassed Carter and that was very hard to do historically speaking.

sorry to disagree, but Biden had, and has, no idea what happened in Afganistan. That decision was made by puppet controlled politicians of the military industrial complex.

Yes, I agree, but he’s the head of the executive branch and he does have the power to say “yes or no” he can still do that. He didn’t have to make the call that he did and if he didn’t know what the ramifications were, then he shouldn’t be in office. His decisions can and has costed lives, you need to be sharp and focused and the Taliban knew he’s neither and going back to your point, shame on the military complex for not being more forceful in pushing this guy to rethink his pullout strategy.

There will be a lot of fortune made by pushing that country into a 'civil war' between taliban factions. No different than whats been done in Venezuela and countless other game pieces over the world. Unrest IS the agenda.

I get it, there is definitely a lot of truth in that.

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The earned “legitimacy” Blinken talks about is Taliban cooperation in letting the Americans and loyal Afghans Joe left behind get out of Afghanistan. Blinken is weak and inept in a weak and inept administration.

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Blinken to Taliban: Any legitimacy 'will have to be earned'

Taliban to Blinken: Rolling on the floor, laughing

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does the Biden administration have "legitimacy" themselves based on their recent abandonment of American citizens in Afghanistan and then lying about it?

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Any legitimacy will have to be earned

Translation: We have some jobs we’d like to talk about...

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Well he can always threaten with a red line

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Note to Secretary Blinken: the Taliban just chased you out of Afghanistan with your tail between your legs, laughing at “the greatest nation on earth” and its hopelessly inept catastrophic withdrawal.

Meanwhile the Taliban now front soldiers in US military uniform with sophisticated weaponry and equipment courtesy of Joe Biden.

Im sure the Taliban are hanging on your every word. LOL!

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@bass4funk... sorry to disagree, but Biden had, and has, no idea what happened in Afganistan. That decision was made by puppet controlled politicians of the military industrial complex. There will be a lot of fortune made by pushing that country into a 'civil war' between taliban factions. No different than whats been done in Venezuela and countless other game pieces over the world. Unrest IS the agenda.

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Biden and he alone made that decision, he didn’t have to, he could have changed it, but didn’t, that’s 100% on him and that will be his legacy.

Maybe, but when it comes to Afghanistan, we can all agree that the lion’s share of the blame for this 20-year debacle belongs to Bush 2, who you and your unnamed non-partisan historians regard as a good president, despite leaving office with approval ratings in the toilet.

Maybe Biden’s legacy won’t be as bad as you think. Time will tell.

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You keep repeating this but it’s not true. What is your reasoning behind this? Or are just unaware of the facts?

Both probably. What the left refuses to realize is, it’s a weak argument because then you could say Obama was responsible for releasing the “Gitmo-5” the most dangerous and wanted vile groups of people that were on the FBI most wanted list in exchange for an American deserter: Bergdahl! Should have never happened or you can blame Obama for increasing the troop levels in Afghanistan or that he left Iraq without leaving a sizable contingency force (sound familiar) which led to the rise of ISIS which he brushed off as a JV team or you can blame GWB for going into Iraq which led us into going to Afghanistan in the first place.

You can pass the blame on a lot of people, but in the end, it was Joe Biden, the current President of the US that unilaterally decided to pull out against the advice of his senior officials in the manner the way he did in the hopes he would be hailed as a hero and the man who brought our troops home on the 20th anniversary of 9/11 which instead he completely botched it and not only left Americans and SIV holders behind, but he gave the Taliban enough hardware over $280 billion worth to launch a formidable attack on anyone including US forces. That was a mistake that could have been easily avoided.

Most Americans wanted to leave, but never ever in this manner.

Biden and he alone made that decision, he didn’t have to, he could have changed it, but didn’t, that’s 100% on him and that will be his legacy.

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Must say that the diversity of the new Afghan cabinet is an issue of major geopolitical moment. Even if they had a bloke without a beard it would be a step in the right direction.

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He released 5000 prisoners and got nothing in return

You keep repeating this but it’s not true. What is your reasoning behind this? Or are just unaware of the facts?

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@paddletime...Afghanistan was once a "great country"?

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bet the Taliban are quaking in their sandals..

I think at this point the Taliban see Blinken is a paper tiger….and the laughing continues..

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a once-great country now just sad, it's time to take bow and exit the stage

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Pathetic. After the last month of ineptitude, who is going to listen to the US?

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American handed over the country to the Taliban and even a listed terrorist is now a government minister. Not a single woman in the government or ethnic minority member.

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From the US perspective, "Legitimacy" will probably be defined as the Taliban's ready willingness to trade some mineral or element with the US adminstration's preferred corporation. On the corporation's terms

Yes, or it will be defined by the Taliban's recognition of Israel or something else totally impossible because lets face it, the US wants regime change already and it will be political dynamite to recognize the Taliban the way it currently is.

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I'm sorry but the United States should be the last country advising about legitimacy.

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Bo, Aghanistan has no infrastructure to even we exploit their mineral reserves,it land lock and do have the electric copacity that goes with mining

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They already got the whole world wanting to do biz with them. Sorry America you lost and are almost as, insignificant as the UK, in terms of clout arms wise and basically anything wise

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Any legitimacy 'will have to be earned'

With this headline message to Afghanistan it is to be hoped that Blinken doesn't mean the usual "Never mind yer sandals, shine our shoes! " because it won't wash with the "ruling" Taliban who already now have their hands full dealing with the realities of governing after having gotten what they wished for. They don't need to accept American "largesse" at any price when the usual dodgy sponsors in the hood are already lining up for a piece of the Afghan action.

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Ironically Blinken gave legitimacy to the Taliban due to the administrations failures to withdrawal the troops without being slaughtered.

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Deep sigh! Ever been a dealer in a card game, where you dealt the right number of cards to each player at the table. Finished. Then you looked at one of the players across the table who didn't have any cards in front of him? "What happened to your cards?" you ask. The player, replies, smugly, "What do I need cards for, I've already won." You sigh deeply , and promise yourself that you and your friends will never, ever invite this guy over for another card game.

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The former president gave legitimacy to the taliban without any preconditions. He released 5000 prisoners and got nothing in return, except for a vague promise of a Nobel nomination.

It is good that the current administration recognize taliban for what they are, murderous savages.

Once all Americans and allies are out of Afghanistan, taliban should face the music!!

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From the US perspective, "Legitimacy" will probably be defined as the Taliban's ready willingness to trade some mineral or element with the US adminstration's preferred corporation. On the corporation's terms

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From the US perspective, "Legitimacy" will probably be defined as the Taliban's ready willingness to trade some mineral or element with the US adminstration's preferred corporation.

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I doubt the Taliban will change. Its leaders have promised reforms and be more moderate, but I recently worried more when CNN's Clarissa Ward (a very very brave woman reporter) was confronted by a regular street Taliban member in Kabul for not covering her face, it sent chills to me. In the video, Ward attempts to build a dialogue with the young man but he has something in his hands with which he beats those who attempt to help her. Finally, some men convince the Taliban member to leave her in peace, but when Ward tries to make him explain his position, the men protecting her tell her "He doesn't want to talk to you".

It's on YouTube. With this I try to say, perhaps the Taliban leadership is willing to make changes, but its regular members, usually young men from rural or inner areas of Afghanistan are rather radicalized students (Taliban means students) who do not know of the reforms.

They are indeed, very scary young men with a large share of uncontrolled power in their hands.

God Bless the innocent of Afghanistan.

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So, those who grant legitimacy to have the last surviving Apartheid regime, deem a fringe legislative candidate to be a legitimate President and the democratically elected President to not be legitimate, declare themselves to be the arbitrator of whether those who almost literally walked into power over the corrupt, unpopular, regime they installed in Afghanistan is legitimate.

There's a lot of hubris in that position, especially given how little of the world they represent and their track record of both deeming legitimate governments illegitimate, and illegitimate governments legitimate.

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Now let’s apply the same standards to other regimes, like Saudi Arabia

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bet the Taliban are quaking in their sandals....

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Yesterday, Japanese Foreign Minister Toshimitsu Motegi pledged to provide $65 million in fresh aid to the Taliban-controlled Afghanistan government.

How about an aid for arms swap? For every $1,000 in aid, the Taliban must give up one rifle/gun? Might work well in the U.S. too.

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