Buttigieg declared Iowa winner after technical glitches delay result

Sanders won the Iowa caucus even with the DNC trying its best to rig it like they did in 2016. Go Sanders!

White House caucus? No, Democratic Party caucus. I heard they will start counting all over again. Unmitigated disaster.

Im starting to like Pete.

Im starting to like Pete.

I admire him as an individual, like a lot of what he claims to stand for, mixed about some, worried about others. Which is better than the nothing I like about the corrupt conman currently serving as an impeached 'president'. Alongside his corrupt family members and others in the swamp and his syndicate. And the 'global elite establishment', especially big oil and gas and big defense, he's serving.

So you forgot about Mayor Pete’s wine cave fundraiser already?

“The fundraiser in question took place Sunday at "Hall Wines," a property owned by Kathryn and Craig Hall, who are prolific Democratic Party donors. Kathryn Hall was ambassador to Austria under President Bill Clinton, while Craig Hall is a real estate developer.

Craig Hall played a role in the 1980s savings and loans crisis, The Associated Press has reported. His firm was rescued by a $300 billion federal bailout and Hall eventually paid a $100 million settlement in 1993, according to the outlet.”

So you forgot about Mayor Pete’s wine cave fundraiser already?

Though I admire Mayor Buttigieg as an individual and citizen, a man who served his country with honor, I have mixed feelings about his politics. But after defending and even trying to justify Trump's behavior before and while in office (impeached), your 'side' as you put it, shouldn't be throwing stones from your glass houses at any other politician. I thought your 'side' claimed all politicians were like Trump - dishonest, corrupt individuals. One difference I can see is Buttigieg probably won't be asking for help from 'foreign' countries. He comes across as someone with great respect for the sovereignty of the US. Unlike Trump and ilk in the DC Oblast.

I admire him as an individual, like a lot of what he claims to stand for, mixed about some, worried about others.

I'm only about halfway through his website so far with his policies. Still a long way to go.

So you forgot about Mayor Pete’s wine cave fundraiser already?

Um, yeah. Whatever.

So you forgot about Mayor Pete’s wine cave fundraiser already?

You are expecting nothing less than squeaky clean without a whiff of scandal?

You support Trump. His past is a toilet of scams and assorted filth. Morally normal people couldn’t look at themselves in the mirror trailing the kind of slime.

Wine cellars? Let’s get real, eh?

So, after 3 days holding off on releasing the known full results(Sanders winning), which would have allowed Sanders to declare victory and take advantage of the media spotlight in Iowa, the corrupt DNC chooses to go with the false narrative of a Buttigieg victory and to soak it for all it's worth by releasing results first that are favorable to Buttigieg in drips and drabs over 3 days - then to demand a recount when it's time to release the final 3% of votes favorable to Sanders.

Again, the DNC is corrupt as hell - and needs to go.

You are expecting nothing less than squeaky clean without a whiff of scandal?

Boot-edge-edge was anointed by the oligarchs to become president long ago.

He is, however, the only Dem candidate with a hope of beating Trump. He won't, as he's too young, but he has a chance in a future run of winning.

You are expecting nothing less than squeaky clean without a whiff of scandal?

Boot-edge-edge was anointed by the oligarchs to become president long ago.

I’ll take it under advisement.

Anyway, it doesn’t change the comedy of a Trump supporter bringing up ‘dark’ episodes in a candidate’s past.

You are expecting nothing less than squeaky clean without a whiff of scandal? 

No, but as a man who’s not even popular with the Black vote and knows how o tackle real issues at best, he should get more experience before trying to take on serious issues. He is appealing to some of the more younger socialists out there, but to the majority of Black voters, he’s not and that’s his Achilles heel.

You support Trump. His past is a toilet of scams and assorted filth. Morally normal people couldn’t look at themselves in the mirror trailing the kind of slime. 

But that’s what millions and growing love that he’s normal like the rest of us and doesn’t try to pawn us into thinking he’s a professional politician and if the haters domestically or internationally think it’s horrible, it doesn’t matter...really. But he won’t make it this cycle, but in the next two, could be, you never know.

Still undecided about Buttigieg, he seems safe compared to Bernie and a little to centerist for my liking. That said, he's infinitely preferable to the current incumbent.

But that’s what millions and growing love that he’s normal like the rest of us

Speak for yourself. Most of us aren't corrupt man-baby bigoted billionaire sex pests, who have to pay off porn stars and mock people with disabilities.

Speak for yourself. Most of us aren't corrupt man-baby bigoted billionaire sex pests, who have to pay off porn stars and mock people with disabilities.

Yeah, I’m sure that hurt the President. Lol

Oh, if liberals would just acknowledge the same traits they possess and report they would not only be shocked, but they would have to dedicate an entire new channel just for that.

The good Mayer will never win.

Oh, if liberals would just acknowledge the same traits they possess

First of all, I'm not a liberal & more importantly, Trump's hellish traits are not mine.

But it does seem, like Trump, you don't actually listen to or comprehend what people are saying. He is not "normal" in any sense of the word. He acts like a crazed monarch, and brings nothing to the table but division and hatred.

Buttigieg seems to be trying to unite people. I wish him well, although I'd rather see Bernie go up against the vulgar tyrant in the White House.

As long as America is saved from this cancerous PotUS, that's the main thing.

The good Mayer will never win.

Who is Mayer?

Yeah, I’m sure that hurt the President. Lol

Not so sure what there is to "lol" about in how I described the forever impeached PotUS. Unless you find bigotry, corruption, sexual assault etc funny?

Buttigieg seems like a more regular everyday person and his marriage seems stable, so there won't be much worries about getting lawyers to lie for him & pay off porn stars. Shouldn't be any rape allegations, either.

Trump's hellish traits are not mine. 

And?

But it does seem, like Trump, you don't actually listen to or comprehend what people are saying. He is not "normal" in any sense of the word.

To the haters, maybe not, but then to use, none of the liberals are acting normal over that past 3 years.

He acts like a crazed monarch, and brings nothing to the table but division and hatred.

Many of us felt like that about the last administration.

Buttigieg seems to be trying to unite people. I wish him well, although I'd rather see Bernie go up against the vulgar tyrant in the White House.

The good mayor can try, but he won’t make it, he didn’t even do a good job unifying the black community in his city, so it won’t happen, in the future...who knows.

As long as America is saved from this cancerous PotUS, that's the main thing.

Who’s going to save us from the radical Democrats?

No, but as a man who’s not even popular with the Black vote and knows how o tackle real issues at best, he should get more experience before trying to take on serious issues.

Agreed, Trump, who has no popularity among minorities and doesn't understand English, should resign. Glad you've come around.

On the caucus: Sanders won. He has the same delegates as Pete, but has many more voters in the popular vote. The popular vote should decide: that's been the Democratic Party's argument against the electoral college, there's no reason it shouldn't work here.

And?

And you were projecting them onto "millions of normal people". I pointed out that millions of us are not corrupt sex pests. Do you find yourself in difficulties following an argument?

To the haters, maybe not, but then to use, none of the liberals are acting normal over that past 3 years.

You make it seem hateful to be opposed to lying, cheating and assaulting. Also, you've fallen back on the non-sequiturs again, instead of being able to discern the meaning of "normal".

Many of us felt like that about the last administration.

Nope, this is (again) using the same argument to deflect, you have to offer up something more than fallacies.

Who’s going to save us from the radical Democrats?

There's nothing radical about making education and healthcare free for all and not just the domain of the better off.

Not so sure what there is to "lol" about in how I described the forever impeached PotUS.

And forever acquitted as well.

Unless you find bigotry, corruption, sexual assault etc funny? 

That’s I don’t vote Democrat.

Buttigieg seems like a more regular everyday person and his marriage seems stable, so there won't be much worries about getting lawyers to lie for him & pay off porn stars. Shouldn't be any rape allegations, either.

I believe he’s a nice guy as well, but America generally speaking is not quite there yet, one day, I do think so, but not now, once he can get blacks on his side like the President is doing, I’ll apologize. I wish him no harm, but he will not be the next President.

once he can get blacks on his side like the President is doing

Trump is incredibly unpopular among black voters. But then you've always had this confusion where you think Trump winning 6% of the black vote is an overwhelming victory over Clinton's willing 90% of the black vote.

Mind you, you've also said you don't care about minority votes. Now that, I do believe.

Agreed, Trump, who has no popularity among minorities

https://www.wsj.com/articles/among-black-voters-trumps-popularity-inches-upward-1541547594

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2019/12/02/trump_is_gaining_black_voters_thats_terrible_news_for_dems_494145.html

More bad news for Dems...

and doesn't understand English, should resign. Glad you've come around.

We should apply that to Dems as well, clear up Congress.

On the caucus: Sanders won. He has the same delegates as Pete, but has many more voters in the popular vote. The popular vote should decide:

But it doesn’t.

that's been the Democratic Party's argument against the electoral college, there's no reason it shouldn't work here.

From the looks of this chaos, Trump is heavily benefiting from this, boy this people are incompetent and they are the same people that ruled out Obamacare and if they can’t even get the stupid app right, then there’s no way that they can fix any of the countries problems and its only going to get worse for them.

And forever acquitted as well.

On this, yes. Because of the partisanship and spineless behaviour of the GOP. But he will be toppled eventually, like all demagogues. Maybe justice will be done and witnesses will be allowed.

That’s I don’t vote Democrat.

Nonsensical retort, which doesn't answer the question and neatly avoids the dishonesty of this PotUS.

once he can get blacks on his side like the President is doing, I’ll apologize. I wish him no harm, but he will not be the next President.

There's that curious Trumpist thing again, seeing black people as a commodity that can be bought and sold. Buttigieg needs to prove that his concerns are universal and not just appealing to one demographic. And of course, his record in South Bend, on the 2012 resignation of the police chief and last year's killing of Eric Logan needs scrutiny.

America generally speaking is not quite there yet

Not sure what that means? Unless you mean his being gay, which shouldn't have any bearing on the situation.

boy this people are incompetent

Eh? At the very least, Buttigieg has the ability to communicate and make himself understood.

On this, yes.

that is all and that is the only thing that matters, nothing else as he sits in the oval office, now he is not only untouchable, but unbeatable, and in the public opinion of the haters, it doesn’t matter. Liberals can whine and cry it won’t change the outlook, thanks Nancy.

Just because the Democrats hate him, the Republicans have to do the same and do their bidding and Democrats are upset because they didn’t get the verdict they wanted, how selfish is that? What about the people that didn’t want to see him convicted or removed.

This is where the Democrats nightmare begins, the moderate Democrats doesn't matter Biden can’t be Trump and Sanders can’t him either and they know mayor Pete cannot as well and that is the reason why the Dems are now bringing Bloomberg in (as if he has a chance...)

But he will be toppled eventually, like all demagogues.

not during his presidency, and after that good luck

Maybe justice will be done and witnesses will be allowed.

Yeah, sure. Lol

Nonsensical retort, which doesn't answer the question and neatly avoids the dishonesty of this PotUS.

No, feelings go both ways.

There's that curious Trumpist thing again, seeing black people as a commodity that can be bought and sold.

The democrats have been doing that for over 60 years and what have they gotten for that, nothing.

Eh? At the very least, Buttigieg has the ability to communicate and make himself understood.

Well, as far as communication is concerned if the good mayor has the ability where he can fill a stadium twice over like Trump, then I’ll shut up.

Well, as far as communication is concerned if the good mayor has the ability where he can fill a stadium twice over like Trump, then I’ll shut up.

No you won't. You said you'd shut up if you could get an example of a Democratic Presidential candidate with a bigger crowd than Trump. I showed you that Bernie had more supporters in the crowd announcing his candidacy than Trump had announcing his. And you didn't shut up.

Just another lie.

It's funny that the woman who wanted to change her vote because she just found out that he's gay, quoted the Bible as a reason. It's funny because, the Bible also has things to say about discriminating against others and committing adultery ... but I guess that part is alright with her.

I am no friend of this Pete guy, but man would it be entertaining to see him and his spouse go to Saudi Arabia for the obligatory US presidential brown nosing visit. Talk about a king being in a pickle...

I believe he’s a nice guy as well, but America generally speaking is not quite there yet,

America is not quite ready for a nice guy as president. Got it.

now [Trump] is not only untouchable,

Seems you are happy with dictatorship. At least you're up front about that.

the Dems are now bringing Bloomberg in

Bloomberg is bringing himself in. You speak of "the Dems" as though they're a football team.

as far as communication is concerned if the good mayor has the ability where he can fill a stadium twice over like Trump

Trump attracts large crowds because his supporters find his unhinged rants to be entertaining. That's not the usual definition of being able to communicate.

Northernlife:

Yes, this football game mentality is pretty astonishing. Everbody who agrees with Trumps policy platform is a Republican.... how simple it must be to live in a binary world.

No you won't. You said you'd shut up if you could get an example of a Democratic Presidential candidate with a bigger crowd than Trump.

Yes, I would and We are talking about Pete.

I showed you that Bernie had more supporters in the crowd announcing his candidacy than Trump had announcing his. And you didn't shut up.*

Bernie cannot fill the stadium the way Trump does not to mention he won’t be President.

 now he is not only untouchable, but unbeatable, and in the public opinion of the haters, it doesn’t matter. Liberals can whine and cry it won’t change the outlook, thanks Nancy.

Hmm. Who are the real purveyors of hate here, I wonder?

Trump, The Greatest American Zero? Believe it or not, he's talking hot air...

At the end of the day, Trump pissed all over the Constitution, and yet his core are more concerned about a symbolic gesture from Pelosi.

Astounding.

the moderate Democrats doesn't matter Biden can’t be Trump and Sanders can’t him either and they know mayor Pete cannot as well and that is the reason why the Dems are now bringing Bloomberg in 

This makes no sense whatsoever.

No, feelings go both ways.

Ok, this is still avoiding the misdemeanors of the PotUS. Or gaslighting. It's becoming a bit of a struggle to maintain interest anymore. On topic, however, Buttigieg has a lot of convincing to do. If he's up to it, well and good but feels a bit of a safe bet, politically.

His sexuality should be the very least important aspect of his suitability. I realise that some find his name funny and can't resist the odd dig, but mature voters will be concentrating on his policies and abilities.

If, however, he is found to be lying to the public and exhibits corruption, et al, then he must step out of the race. As any candidate should.

Yes, I would and We are talking about Pete.

Doesn't matter. If every single human being alive including you went to a Pete rally, you still wouldn't shut up. As I said: you promised to shut up if ANY Democratic candidate got more attendees than Trump. I gave you irrefutable proof that Bernie did in comparable rallies, i.e. campaign announcements. You didn't shut up. You are a liar.

His sexuality should be the very least important aspect of his suitability. I realise that some find his name funny and can't resist the odd dig, but mature voters 

I have found the flaw in American democracy.

Well, as I've said before - anyone but Trump....

I'm sure none of the Democrat candidates would go to a National Prayer Breakfast and use the Lord's name in vain several times, and use such uplifting and Christian terms as "evil", "dishonest", and "corrupt"... I'm guessing he had another senior moment and was describing his administration and business empire...

Then, he went even further into the sewer by mocking Romney and Nancy's commitment to their faith - can you believe that? At a Prayer Breakfast?

Trump - doing his beat imitation of the anti-Christ...one he does everyday...

Doesn't matter. If every single human being alive including you went to a Pete rally, you still wouldn't shut up.

Prove it, but he will never get that many, impossible.

As I said: you promised to shut up if ANY Democratic candidate got more attendees than Trump.

None of them could beat Trump, we are talking about the general election.

I gave you irrefutable proof that Bernie did in comparable rallies,

No, you did not, if Bernie can sell out 20,000 prove me wrong....anyway, he won’t be president either, even the Democrats don’t want that.

No, you did not, if Bernie can sell out 20,000 prove me wrong....anyway, he won’t be president either, even the Democrats don’t want that.

Here we go: Bernie drawing over 26,000.

https://www.gq.com/story/bernies-back-queens-rally

Now: keep your promise and shut up.