world

California churchgoers detained gunman in deadly attack

45 Comments
By DAMIAN DOVARGANES and CHRISTOPHER WEBER

The requested article has expired, and is no longer available. Any related articles, and user comments are shown below.

© AP

©2022 GPlusMedia Inc.

45 Comments

Comments have been disabled You can no longer respond to this thread.

And still the "my rights" extremists, their lobby groups and the political leaders they have bought push for even easier access to guns, including semi-automatic weapons with higher capacity magazines, that can be sold to people even if they're on a terrorist watch list. The gun extremists care more about not denying access to guns to terrorists and known thugs than they do about protecting the general public. Though the country in general is sick, it's made even sicker and less safe because of the gun extremists.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Disgusting like the other shooting that took place in NY couple of days ago where 13 people or more!!! were killed!

America loves it's guns and so many others too in Europe, Africa, South east Asia, the middle east and more what puzzles me is that these kind of mass shooting / killings SEEM to happen in the U.S. more than in the other places!!!! I don't have the answer, some may say it happens in other places but goes unreported which is possible! but what is happening and has been happening is that ORDINARY citizens are turning their guns on their own people for some very meaningless reasons with the intent to kill as many people as possible.

That must be a nightmare for the authorities and the system, we are not talking about a Taliban, or a Militant, or a freedom fighter, or a Jihadist, or military operation here, these are citizens killing each others but on a massive scale.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

Let’s see, who has been protesting at churches lately?

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Multiple people were shot Sunday at a church

At a church?

This crazy american gun freaks didn't even hesitate to shoot at a church.

These american gun freaks have no respect from nothing.

Crazy America!

6 ( +11 / -5 )

Like the incident in Buffalo, NY dismissed as a 'hate crime', this wasn't this wasn't just a 'crazed' individual. It was a physical manifestation of the insanity that is overtaking America and that we are seeing acted out in the streets of American cities everyday. American psychopathy is coming home to roost but it is aiming at the wrong people, each other, rather than the ROOT which is the American financial elite.

6 ( +12 / -6 )

Yawn, and how is this news? Nothing “new” here and nor will the next and the next and the next ad infinitum. The insupportable blood bath will continue until they finally do something about it. I am not holding my breath!

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Not America, the person(s) responsible for this cowardice act.

America isn’t made up of Americans?

These type of incidents happen; things such as multiple car collisions in which many people are killed.

Actually, more people die in car accidents in the US than die as victims of gun-related homicide.

Americans slagging off America again? ‘Not only do we have this lunatic gun culture fetish, we’re lousy drivers, too’.

4 ( +11 / -7 )

Not America, the person(s) responsible for this cowardice act.

You’ll have to explain that. Do you have insider information that it was a tourist?

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Sure, if you want to speculate, go ahead

Speculate what? That some posters are trying to muddy the waters? Already happening.

Right and Remember that goes both ways if you say it like that. We are all allowed to be backseat drivers, no law against it.

Of course. It’s easy. There are Americans and not Americans. There is 1 country that has a huge problem with mass shootings and 194 countries that don’t.

I don’t see how that is complicated.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Only one thing is certain at this point. The U.S. needs strict gun control, phony "gun rights" be damned.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

Gun owners are just too afraid to give up their guns. School shootings are an acceptable part of that thought process.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

“It’s a great country, but it’s a straaaange culture.!”

George Carlin

3 ( +3 / -0 )

An interesting article here.

In 2020, Guns Became the Leading Cause of Death for US Kids | Time

F

irearms became the leading cause of death for American children and teenagers in 2020, according to researchers who analyzed Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data.

This sad fact represents a major shift in risks for young people in the U.S. For over 60 years, car accidents were the leading cause of death for kids and teens. Car accidents are now number two, while drug overdoses are number three.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

These american gun freaks have no respect from nothing. 

Many are so 'my rights', screw the others' focused and so me-centric they have expressed a near total disregard for other individuals from their communities, and also disregard for their nation and society. Some have taken to wearing T-shirts proclaiming they'd rather support a foreign country that had long seen the USA as its enemy, than their fellow citizens, and also carrying flags representing Nazi Germany and the southern states failed separatist movement, yet claim somehow to be 'patriots'.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

You notice how CA has a high number of shootings? They also have a lot of "gun control." They haven't figured out that the problem is the mental patient, not the gun.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

And those same countries come to us for money and firearms, legal, illegal, military gleefully and your point.

Why don’t those foreign buyers commit mass shootings in their own country?

Why don’t they do it in The US?

Why are these tragedies overwhelmingly Americans shooting Americans with American weapons?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

No you're not. California's gun control laws do not go far enough. Anyone remember the drive-by shootings in Santa Barbara?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

No you're not. California's gun control laws do not go far enough. Anyone remember the drive-by shootings in Santa Barbara?

You don't have to go back that far. This is at least the second mass shooting in a church, in California, this year. And six were killed and 12 injured in a mass shooting in California last month.

California can have all the gun laws it wants, but until the federal baseline is lifted, and "because I want one" ceases to be justifiable reason for keeping and bearing high powered, rapid fire firearms, not a lot will change. In fact, efforts are being made in California to loosen gun laws, such as removing the state age limit on rifle purchases, and striking down in courts its "assault rifle" ban on constitutional grounds- an action so far delayed by appeal.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Something I've been thinking about:

I think the European Union, and the Shengen area, makes a good contrast to the United States in terms of gun control. Member countries all have individual control over their gun laws. However, membership in the European Union means those countries are bound by the same, less permissive baseline regarding gun laws, and as a result there is much less gun violence there. The states in the US have control over their gun laws too, but the federal baseline is much lower than that in the E.U..

For example, as voted for in a referendum in 2019, Switzerland tightened their gun laws to stay in the visa-free Shengen-area which has the same gun laws as the E.U..

Anyway, a work in progress.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Should? I don't own a gun. What do you bring into public?

I have a license to carry.

Knowing gun owners, some of the most afraid of other people in the world,

When Democrats like Beto O’Rourke are trying to get power, of course. Every law-abiding citizen would.

it's something with stopping power. You don't want to feel weak and nervous in public.

I’m not and don’t worry about anyone except gun grabbing liberals in office.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

You support the idea that under 18 year olds should be able to conceal carry. Why not in Japan, too?

No, Trump people support that. This is because Kyle Rittenhouse is a Fox/Tucker/Trump hero. Rittenhouse is 16

1 ( +1 / -0 )

“Nothing can be done”

The rest of the world just shake their head.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Of course. It’s easy. There are Americans and not Americans. 

Oxymoron

What?!

0 ( +1 / -1 )

“Nothing can be done”

What would you do?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Gun owners are just too afraid to give up their guns.

Every law-abiding citizen should, especially when it comes to this administration.

School shootings are an acceptable part of that thought process.

Not if you enforce the gun laws and properly plan for contingency plans should a disgruntled, psycho or mentally disturbed person tries to attack a school.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

California has strict gun control. The strictest in the country. It has:

Universal background checks, Extreme risk protection orders, Domestic violence gun laws, Assault weapon and magazine restrictions, Waiting periods, Strong concealed carry law, Minimum age laws, Open carry regulations, Safe storage laws, Community violence intervention funding, Lost & stolen firearm reporting, Ghost gun ban, Gun dealer regulation, Local authority to regulate firearms, State firearm sale records retention, Gun violence research funding.

What else can they do? If people are determined to get their hands on firearms, they will.

You are 110% correct.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Bass: Every law-abiding citizen should

Should? I don't own a gun. What do you bring into public? Knowing gun owners, some of the most afraid of other people in the world, it's something with stopping power. You don't want to feel weak and nervous in public.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Bass: When Democrats like Beto O’Rourke are trying to get power, of course. Every law-abiding citizen would.

You need a gun because of Beto? Are you planning on shooting him or law enforcement or military?

I’m not and don’t worry about anyone

You have a gun because you're afraid. Yet I suspect you'll drop your family off at the mall unarmed because "screw them....it's all about my safety."

0 ( +1 / -1 )

I’m not and don’t worry about anyone except gun grabbing liberals in office.

Then why be in Japan with no gun?

I have a license to carry.

Can you use it if someone in Japan attacks you? It happens sometimes even in Japan.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Anybody can unless they are trying to distract from something. 

Sure, if you want to speculate, go ahead

Non Americans especially can define an American.

Right and Remember that goes both ways if you say it like that. We are all allowed to be backseat drivers, no law against it.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

California has strict gun control. The strictest in the country. It has:

Universal background checks, Extreme risk protection orders, Domestic violence gun laws, Assault weapon and magazine restrictions, Waiting periods, Strong concealed carry law, Minimum age laws, Open carry regulations, Safe storage laws, Community violence intervention funding, Lost & stolen firearm reporting, Ghost gun ban, Gun dealer regulation, Local authority to regulate firearms, State firearm sale records retention, Gun violence research funding.

What else can they do? If people are determined to get their hands on firearms, they will.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

That’s even have become too big for my single master brain. Geneva, Taiwanese and an Asian looking gun shooter at a church and all that together in California and in a row with all those other killings? Whatever effort, I don’t get it and don’t get that cycle closed. In other words, you freaks surely have quite a load of unsolvable problems in your crazy fentanyl and gun fire boosted melting pot psychiatry over there, haven’t you?

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

nishikat,

Can you use it if someone in Japan attacks you? It happens sometimes even in Japan.

You support the idea that under 18 year olds should be able to conceal carry. Why not in Japan, too?

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Guns may not be the problem, the problem as I see it in the PSYCHOLCAL state of mind of some gun owners, and the system that allows these individuals to own them indefinitely without being checked or tested at a later date like annually or every couple of years

Automobile drivers renew their licenses every 2 or 5 years and yet gun owners can go on for ever unchecked., that is the root of the problem it's NOT the guns it's the people who owns them.

I very much agree.

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

Can you even define an American under these conditions?

Anybody can unless they are trying to distract from something.

Non Americans especially can define an American.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Asian man in his 60s shoots up a church frequented by folks of Taiwanese heritage.

All this shows is that Asians have gone mainstream in the US. Mass shootings are no longer the prerogative of a few ethnicities.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

“Nothing can be done”

What would you do?

Crickets. Again.

There's nothing California can do. They have all the gun laws in the world and still, criminals - who don't obey laws - all have guns. Get the criminals and their illegal firearms off the streets and you reduce the need for firearms for personal protection.

All a law abiding citizen can do is arm her or himself, take a safety course and get training with that weapon, and exercise their constitutional right to defend themselves and their property.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

You support the idea that under 18 year olds should be able to conceal carry. Why not in Japan, too?

No, Trump people support that. This is because Kyle Rittenhouse is a Fox/Tucker/Trump hero. Rittenhouse is 16

Really? nishikat's comment history:

Dec 1, 2021.

Then that's against 2A. Kids (yes under 18) have a right to protect themselves too. Can't they carry a semi auto Glock like adults? They should conceal carry in HS and I'm sure the NRA supports this. With this school shooting only a good kid with a gun could have defeated this person.

Dec 1, 2021.

It says nothing about age in 2A. In fact some kids under 18 fought in the American revolution. It is their right just like any kid is allowed to write his or her own blog (freedom of speech)

Dec 5, 2021.

Guns (the non hunting type in many cases) are just adult toys. 2A says shall not be infringed and this means kids too. It should mean that kids under 18 should be allowed open carry (I mean hand gun semi auto Glocks) as well as CCP. What if some of those kids had been CCP, it could have neutralized the shooter

Dec 5, 2021.

Glock or other deadly weapons. 2A is 2A. Yes for kids to protect kids just like adults

Dec 7, 2021.

And Tucker should cover that kids should be able to carry just like adults with changes to the laws. Kids should be able to defend themselves with CCP and open carry because kids are people too.

Feb 3, 2022

By the way, should teenagers be able to CCP and open carry like adults? This way they can defend themselves just like adults can. It says "....shall not be infringed...."

Feb 3, 2022.

You don't think teens have a right to protect themselves just like adults? The 2nd amendment says "....shall not be infringed..." Teens are people too. Also, teens fought in the American revolution so white Americans could own slaves.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

You’ll have to explain that.

America or the US is an inanimate object.

Do you have insider information that it was a tourist?

I know for a fact the country itself has nothing to do with this act.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

Of course. It’s easy. There are Americans and not Americans.

Oxymoron

There is 1 country that has a huge problem with mass shootings and 194 countries that don’t. 

And those same countries come to us for money and firearms, legal, illegal, military gleefully and your point.

I don’t see how that is complicated.

Nope

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

The USA seeks to provide freedom to multiple ethnicities ,nationalities and multiple religious groups and beliefs systems and political groups and the gender minority.

Its not surprising to see frequent crimes in the USA with all these different people living together .

The USA culture of assuming to be the greatest country on earth certainly doesn't seem to be helping .

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

Guns may not be the problem, the problem as I see it in the PSYCHOLCAL state of mind of some gun owners, and the system that allows these individuals to own them indefinitely without being checked or tested at a later date like annually or every couple of years

Automobile drivers renew their licenses every 2 or 5 years and yet gun owners can go on for ever unchecked., that is the root of the problem it's NOT the guns it's the people who owns them.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

America isn’t made up of Americans?

hahah! A bunch of people all in their own corners professing their culture is the best way; the southern border open and laid out with a red carpet; and the politicians constantly stirring the pot for political gain. Can you even define an American under these conditions?

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

Guns don't kill people.

People kill people !

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

These american gun freaks have no respect from nothing. 

Crazy America!

Not America, the person(s) responsible for this cowardice act.

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

Articles, Offers & Useful Resources

A mix of what's trending on our other sites