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Well Beijing is at fault for "controlling flow of accurate and factual information" in order to only show the world what they want the world to know about a health concern for all of humanity. Even going as far as rejecting WHO support in containing the spread of a potential epidemic.

If only they told the truth... Lose credibility.

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"The World Health Organization urged countries to avoid travel restrictions,

because Tedros Adhanom is china's boy toy.

but very soon after that, the United States did the opposite," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said. "It's truly mean."

awww.

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Childish comments by the communists. Why complain about the US only?

Further, had the outbreak occurred in America, the Chinese would have been the first to impose the restrictions.

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Reports are now coming in that the US is banning ALL foreigners from entering the US from ALL parts of the PRC, to take effect on Sunday (US time).

This is the right thing to do and will save lives. Japan will no doubt follow suit in coming days after monitoring the situation. There will be those who claim its a "violation of human rights" , "racism", etc. Nonsense! The decision of the Trump administration will absolutely save lives in the midst of this exploding world disaster.

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The United States angered China on Friday

Good. That means the U.S. is doing something right.

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A lot of self-righteous whining from the CCP. Hua Chunying is beyond irresponsible with her lofty sanctimonious lecturing and is well and truly out of line and beyond inappropriate.

Even if you don't get sick, hypothetically speaking, you still shouldn't go to China in this current set of circumstances.

The notion of going to any location where almost everything is shut, and travel restrictions can be imposed at just about any time, regardless of whether it's justified or not, and where supplies of critical supplies such as food and medicines and other related protective clothing is beyond reckless and absolutely stupid to stratospheric magnitudes. Especially as a non-resident, where a degree of unfamiliarity of local customs and environment is almost certain, you invite an elevated sense of risk in concert with the earlier outlined concerns.

Lastly, if you do get sick, considering how local emergency services are being absolutely hammered by demand, they are not going to be in a real position to be able to assist you in any way (because of getting absolutely swarmed under). They have thousands, say possibly tens of thousands of sick patients to look at per hospital. What makes you think they'll be able to "prioritize" you over this literal horde of sick locals?

Answer: They probably shouldn't be.

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Why would China complain about this. Typical CCP. Worried about self-image even when the country is facing an extreme crisis.

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This is just the beginning readers and the virus has not peaked yet. That will occur over the next few months. Best recommendation is protect yourselves, stock up on can goods in case things go from bad to worse as this spreads out across Japan. The question yet to be answered was if China is advertising "peaceful" means what were they doing with such a nasty virus pathogen in the first place and Why? It wasn't a problem before nor expected to be especially after SARS? If one looks at the contaminated world sites, one would have to think this as a bio attack against the world and its economies. Sacrifice your own at the expense of others yet come out looking innocent. Comparing 7 Billion to 15 million is small percentage of population at risk with the deaths in upper thousands. Financially it is expected to hit in the Trillions on a global scale. Their hit is quite low while the rest of the countries take major hits. Meanwhile the fake stock market will profit quite substantially for those who can afford to take risks.

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With infected people in China now on a nation wide level, it's no longer sufficient to isolate simply Wuhan or Hubei province. And yes, on one hand there will be cries of "racism", and at the same time there will actually be a rise in racism.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-racism-fear-intl-hnk/index.html

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The pandemic is not likely to result in severe medical problems in the U.S. However, its financial effects may infect your portfolio. China's economy is being hit hard, and if China goes south, it will pull the world economy into recession.

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This is just the beginning readers and the virus has not peaked yet.

this is very true. been checking online and there are a couple of points that make this virus unique.

contagion is very high. this virus is spreading more quickly than any of the other coronas we've seen. Its already passed the number of infections by SARS 20 years ago, and that was over a period of 8 months. This strain has spread more quickly in less than a month. So this strain is more contagious than SARS or Swine flu.

the incubation period of 2 weeks is very long in comparison to other viral outbreaks. usually, with viral outbreaks, the incubation period shouldn't exceed a week. Here we have double the incubation time. That's troubling. A long incubation period with a high contagion percentage is trouble.

The silver lining SEEMS to be that it is not as deadly as SARS. At least so far. And that's the biggest break we've got. If it does end up with a mortality rate similar to SARS, then we are talking about some serious problems..

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Each country has the right to warn its citizens as it see's fit. China's criticism will rightly fall on deaf ears.

If it was me I would ban all direct flights from my country to or from China until this settles down. It is still building up and this is the time to enact such restrictions, not when it is too late to do any good.

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8:10 am Feb 1

In total 11,791 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus have been reported in China as of Jan 31, with 259 deaths and 243 recovered. Hubei reported 1347 new cases and 45 deaths on Jan 31 compared with 2102 new cases and 46 deaths nationwide.

https://www.globaltimes.cn//content/1177737.shtml (real- time update on coronavirus)

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Who cares what WHO says! Each country is responsible for looking out for its own citizens' best interests.

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"The United States angered China on Friday with a warning to Americans not to travel there..." The CCP would like to be able to bully and impose its self-serving policies on the entire world in the same way it does at home. If they'd taken action and acted responsibly when the virus was identified, we would not be dealing with this problem on a global level. Let'S hope it opens people's eyes to the real nature of the Chinese government - "Do as we say, and keep your mouth shut. And maybe wear a mask, if you can find one..."

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Well at least now we officially know Xi has got Tedros Adhanom by the balls.

The WHO has already had to admit one error (medium vs high risk), followed by jump in deaths and infection 'after' it said there was no need to declare an energency.

The fact Taiwan and HK can't send its own representative speaks volumes about China's intentions, communist politics reigns even over life.

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It is difficult at a time like this to say anything positive about the CCP. To take pot shots at the U.S. when - once again - the CCP was 'less than forthcoming' about the pandemic at the outset is just petty and pathetic. Apparently, the CCP seems to think that the 'Western media' is either too dumb to remember the SARS debacle (when the CCP withheld information from everybody) or too mean to Chinese because the U.S. feels 'threatened' by China's 'rise'. Personally, I think that the CCP is using the 'foreigner card' again to win support among the rank-and-file Chinese.

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This outbreak gives me a lot of insight as to how far China can reach and control beyond its border. The sky may not even be the limit. Anything or anyone can be bought.

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Restricting a country with a infectious virus/disease to avoid spreading it/them outside its borders is a reasonable solution. I wonder how long in time can that Chinese coronavirus survive on Chinese made goods exported.

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This is all China's fault. No one to blame but themselves.

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PRC is worried about the people uprising. Any show of weakness or the people's lack of confidence could topple the government.

(ie. bye-bye Xi, hello democracy!)

For some reason, I feel that if this is a man-made virus (biological weapon) that got out of hand then it had something to do with China's interests in South America and Africa.

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2019-nCoV Global Cases (by John Hopkins CCSE)

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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With the election in the US, Trump nees more support. He will.

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didou:

With the election in the US, Trump nees more support. He will.

He will what? Your comment is a bit cryptic.

In the event, I think Trump has been too slow to react here. He should have imposed a temporary block on flights from China altogether. Trade can continue, exchange of humans is not necessary for that.

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I am no fan of the CCP. However, before taking a swipe at them. Let us take a look at history. The following are results I found online about the H1N1 pandemic in 2009:

In the spring of 2009, a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus emerged. It was detected first in the United States and spread quickly across the United States and the world.

H1N1 was stared in the USA. Little efforts was made by the USA to stop the spread of the virus. It killed 284,500 worldwide and effected 214 countries. There is no mention by the western media that H1N1 is an American Pandemic Virus.

Compared this to the efforts of China to contain the Wuhan Virus.

On October 24, 2009, President Barack Obama declared Swine Flu a national emergency in the United States. On November 12, 2009, the CDC reported an estimated 22 million Americans had been infected with 2009 A H1N1 and 4,000 Americans have died.

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I read that 10,000 people will die in the USA in this season's flu epidemic, but that the fatality rate is 1 death for every 1,000 people who get sick, or about 0.1%. With the coronavirus, the death rate is maybe as high as 1 death for every 48 who get infected, or about 2%. In the US, that could mean 7 million deaths, and in China, it could potentially mean 30 million deaths. The Chinese government is taking some very serious precautions, and it is reasonable for the rest of the world do so as well.

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1glenn:

Shouldn't that correlate to a drop in real estate costs? Demand goes down ,while supply stays the same.

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The fact Taiwan and HK can't send its own representative speaks volumes about China's intentions, communist politics reigns even over life.

Hong Kong's health chief is currently in a battle of wills with Hong Kong health workers - and crying in public ain't a good sign.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3048529/public-hospital-heads-appeal-staff-rethink

The workers want to see the border closed, which would help prevent further introduction of infection from China, and help reduce their own risk of exposure. They're threatening to strike if they aren't heeded.

And here you have a problem of the Hong Kong government's own making. They defer to China. They did the same during SARS (look up Margaret Chan), and the 15 or so years since then have been devoted to actively dismantling Hong Kong's freedoms and safeguards. In that time, they've had two major citizen uprisings, one of which is still ongoing, and flat out refused to compromise both times. They've had an election (largely symbolic, but that kind of describes all elections in Hong Kong) which flipped almost all pro-Beijing district councils to pro-Democrat politicians. They ignored that too. The last half-year has steadily and irrevocably turned the population away from the government. The daily brutality against ordinary citizens by the police has made it clear to people that the time has come to choose a side.

And that brings us to the present crisis. When ordinary people don't trust the leaders, why would they go to work and risk their lives? Does a nurse's pay make it worthwhile? 9 health workers, doctors included, died during the SARS outbreak, while the government failed to ensure that adequate protective equipment was available; while they made bland assurances with no substance; while they took pains not to say or do anything that might offend China. And now they're doing it again.

A health worker might feel sufficient sense of duty that they will work extra hours during a crisis, and might knowingly put themselves in harm's way, with the full knowledge that they could fall sick and die. But the question Hong Kong's leaders should be asking themselves right now is, are those workers going to do that while their government snows them, insists on keeping the border open, increases their risk, and lies both to them and the public?

These are the consequences of squandering the public trust. The Hong Kong government no longer has any capital to spend. Back to pepper spray it is, then.

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In the spring of 2009, a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus emerged. It was detected first in the United States

It was first detected in Mexico. Mexico is not USA...

It is also a composite of 3 existing strains found in pigs on 3 continents, but rarely transfers to human until the Mexico patient 0.

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Yet Another Global Virus emanating from China....

my Chinese Colleagues have suggested to me, that this virus is man-made by the Chinese Governent, in order to deal with a Political issue internally, but has gone wrong, and is escalating out of control..... Whether Fake News or not, the situation has the potential for being serious Globally.

So far the number of Dead is small. Initial symptoms could be mistaken for a Common Cold and indeed treated with basic OTC meds. Though when left untreated or when infecting a person with a compromised immune system, that's where things become complicated. In either case, it looks like if you have been infected, and simply don't know it, you can pass that infection on to others.... So, Wearing a face mask when entering dense public places, such as crowded trains should be a must.

As for the source of the contagion, I wonder why it's always China.. other Asian Countries have weird "foods" - why is it only China, that these Viruses seem to emanate from ?

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infected people don't show symptoms immediately and may be able to pass on the virus before they appear sick.

That is the scary part for me.

Harder to protect against something that can infect before showing symptoms.

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Did China complain when North Korea (1400 km) and Mongolia closed their Chinese borders?

https://time.com/5772289/mongolia-china-border-closed-coronavirus/

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Restricting a country with a infectious virus/disease to avoid spreading it/them outside its borders is a reasonable solution. I wonder how long in time can that Chinese coronavirus survive on Chinese made goods exported.

China is a big place. If the CCP had a long history of telling the truth, perhaps the world would be more selective about which areas inside China were blocked from travel?

Sadly, that isn't the way it is, so other countries can only block all travel from China in the meantime as they struggle to get the disease under control.

Mongolia, North Korea closed their borders with China. Mongolia is closed until March 3rd. Nobody has been against those steps.

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Heck. I keep seeing this fake news about how H1N1 was started in the US (but it was originated in Mexico). Desperately try to make the US looks bad and praise China even at this juncture.

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It was first detected in Mexico. Mexico is not USA...

It is also a composite of 3 existing strains found in pigs on 3 continents, but rarely transfers to human until the Mexico patient 0.

> Heck. I keep seeing this fake news about how H1N1 was started in the US (but it was originated in Mexico). Desperately try to make the US looks bad and praise China even at this juncture.

It is true H1N1 was first detected in Mexico. However, it does not change the fact that when it spreaded to the USA, the US government did little or enough to stop the spread of that virus.

The Chinese government make mistakes and could have handled the situation much better. However, you cannot deny it is trying hard to stop the spread of the virus whether its intention is noble or not.

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