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Democrats vow vote on gun bills; Biden says 'we have to act'

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Biden says 'we have to act'

When so many Americans including the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, KKK and the dozens of other far right militias own high powered weapons, when so many drug gangs own high powered weapons, when so many unstable individuals own weapons, when the society has so many (74million?) terrified individuals afraid of the 'others', not much can be done. American society suffers from gun-insanity, maybe a terminal sickness.

Once again I'm thankful living in Japan.

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@Burning Bush

We rarely agree on things but in this case you are correct that bullying someone because of their religous faith whether it be Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, or Judaism, is completly wrong and uncalled for. The alleged shooter, Ahmad al Aliwi Alisa, was bullied due to his faith.

As (former) President Obama stated, these killings are driven by “disaffection, racism and misogyny”. In this case it was the racism towards al Aliwi Alisa that drove him to this.

https://www.nypost.com/2021/03/23/obama-disaffection-racism-and-misogyny-drives-mass-killings/

I have some very good friends in Boulder. What a terribly sad and tragic event.

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Readers, this story is about gun control. The shooter's religious beliefs are not relevant to this particular story.

All the victims were white. The shooter was not white. Investigators need to determine if this qualifies as a hate crime.

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The alleged shooter, Ahmad al Aliwi Alisa, was bullied due to his faith

And to retaliate it appears he did the all-American thing and bought a weapon - most likely legally purchased - to gun down innocents.

Once again the elephant in the room - the ease with which just about anyone can purchase a powerful weapon - is being ignored.

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Declare the NRA for what it is, a terrorist organisation that facilitates the slaughter of Americans.

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@PTownsend

You and I happen to agree on gun control

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But today is not the time.

They always say that.

https://www.newsweek.com/colorado-nra-group-praised-boulder-gun-control-defeat-week-before-mass-shooting-1578060

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"Once again the elephant in the room - the ease with which just about anyone can purchase a powerful weapon - is being ignored."

An AR-15 is just a scary looking .22 caliber. No more powerful than any other .22. It is NOT an assault weapon as it is semi-auto NOT full auto. All full auto weapons are banned already banned to sell to civilians.

People need to educate themselves on what weapons actually are.

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Everyone who helped defeat the gun control measures in Boulder are responsible for what happened.

The murderer , mentally ill or not, should not have been able to purchase a AR 15.

Why does a civilian need a AR 15?

What do these people lack that they try to compensate by carrying big guns?

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And for the millionth time, nothing will change. This clash of ideologies, combined with the numerous brown envelopes being passed around, will ensure that it never does.

Also, I'll never understand how anyone could be against mandatory background checks. What's so terrifying about that idea? Why would anyone oppose such a reasonable proposition? Boggles the mind.

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For such a young country, the US is in a lot of trouble.

The cure is simple.

Outgrow the adolescent phase.

Take away the guns.

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Ironically, the NRA was bragging about stopping a law (I believe in Colorado) that would have banned AR-15s the week before.

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Getting gun control done could be Biden's legacy (in theory), but first the Dems will have to "control" the Senate's Republicans and muzzle their Trumper malarkey.

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Someone who claims all .22 caliber are the same has never fired an M-16/AR-15 or any other assault rifle that uses the .223/5.56×45mm NATO round. If it were factually true, why would militaries around the world use ammunition with weak stopping power?

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"Someone who claims all .22 caliber are the same has never fired an M-16/AR-15 or any other assault rifle that uses the .223/5.56×45mm NATO round. If it were factually true, why would militaries around the world use ammunition with weak stopping power?"

Wrong, the military rounds that the M-16/ Military use AR-15 are not the same rounds available for civilians. The military AR-15 is NOT the same sold to civilians. Obama had legislation passed in 2016 after the San Bernardino shootings to differentiate military rounds which are illegal to own and civilian use rounds.

"Also, I'll never understand how anyone could be against mandatory background checks. What's so terrifying about that idea? Why would anyone oppose such a reasonable proposition? Boggles the mind."

People can be against mandatory background checks all they want, federal law already mandates it. Federal law, which applies in all states, requires criminal background checks for all firearm sales and transfers by licensed dealers and at gun shows.

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I had a bad day last year and somehow I refrained from mass-murder with a civilian version of a military rifle over a perceived grievance. And I didn’t make excuses for those who do.

And as the owner of multiple .22lr weapons, I can tell you that they are absolutely NOT the same as the .223 AR cartridge. They are not as heavy. They have lower muzzle velocity. They have less penetration. It’s like comparing a Ford Escort to a Corvette because they both have 4 wheels.

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The Republican Party, and their unholy alliance with the NRA and other far-right groups, are solely to blame for the lack of common-sense gun control in the US - measures even most Republican voters and NRA members approve of...

https://time.com/5197807/stricter-gun-laws-nra/

They are controlled by the gun nutters - insecure and frightened individuals, whose only sense of power come from their guns, and who live inside the far-right media bubble getting fed lies and hate about how "the government" is coming to take their arsenal away...

As Sandy Hook showed, they prize their guns over their own children...

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Yes you do have to act. It's too late for many, nothing will bring them back but it's still not too late for others.

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“We already know this pattern is predictable, over and over and over again,” Cruz said.

Yes. Until major gun law reform takes place, mass shootings are predictable, and will happen over and over and over again.

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Put your pen where your mouth is. It takes twenty seconds to sign it into law. An aide can help you spell your name.

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Biden says 'we have to act' after Colorado mass shooting

Well, the actor in chief is performing very well.

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"The ammunition used in the military is the 5.56x45 round and for civilians its the .223. These rounds are almost the same, but not quite."

You just proved the point I have been making. Thank you.

"80% of all firearms acquired for criminal purposes are obtained through transfers from unlicensed sellers."

Bingo, the issue has always been illegal firearms and criminals not legal gun owners.

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Turn on the TV, and you’ll hear newscasters breathlessly talking about assault rifles and assault-style rifles.

For non-firearms owners, the terminology can be confusing. An assault rifle is a rifle that has selective-fire capability allowing the weapon to fire in bursts or automatic mode. These firearms, long prohibited under Canadian law already because of select-fire ability, are not the same as the “assault-syle” firearms banned last May and tossed around loosely in the media.

The definition of an “assault-style” firearm varies somewhat; however, the government considers it a semi-automatic rifle that can accept detachable magazines and modifications. None of the guns banned last year have the select-fire capability, the defining characteristic of an assault rifle.

Gun crime must be addressed, but so much of this Liberal assault on gun crime is laughable.

This is the fundamental problem when it comes to the left and gun control. Liberals bank on ignorant Americans that don’t understand guns to push a far leftist agenda. I propose reopening mental asylums and for some odd reason liberals don’t want to talk about mental illness, that’s somehow acceptable to allow mentally challenged people to roam our streets, to put their lives as well as others in jeopardy that is a topic they don’t want to look at. So instead it’s, let’s restrict gun rights and dispose of the 2nd amendment. Mental disorder is a serious topic and has been so for years and years and No liberal wants to have a serious dialogue about it.

Second, how about implementing gun laws that are already in place? Chicago has some of the strictest laws in the country when it comes to firearms and yet, the murder rate and gun violence is off the charts. Liberals don’t want to harshly punish repeat gun offenders, they give them light sentences or a slap on the wrist with little prison time, there should be a zero tolerance policy for anyone violating these laws, but it never happens in many of these Blue States and cities. Implement the existing gun laws thoroughly and affectively and you very well might start to sees decrease in gun violence.

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All the victims are white, the killer is not white. Why is this not being classed as a "hate" crime?

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Once I had a conversation with a high-ranking Japanese police official, who later became a Diet member. He pointed out that even those who own firearms legally (under 400,000 nationwide, at last count), cannot purchase ammunition unless they show evidence that they have used up their previous purchase (i.e., bring in the spent cartridges). "So it's not just gun control," he told me, "we've also got bullet control."

The difficulty in obtaining ammunition also prevents illegal gun owners from using their weapons to practice, possibly making them less likely to hit a target unless shooting from point-blank range. Judging from news reports, most yakuza are lousy shots. Which is why newspapers typically report "happo jiken" (gun discharge incident) instead of "juki ni yotte no satsujin jiken" (gun homicide).

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More malarkey from old Joe. Defund the police and take away the 2nd amendment civil right. Malarkey.

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So no border crises. Got it!

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Ego Sum Mundi

All the victims are white, the killer is not white. Why is this not being classed as a "hate" crime?

A Caucasian looking Syrian known for being bullied since he moved to the US because of his name and religion started shooting up store in the area that he lived. If you did not know his name, you couldn't tell him apart from a beer guzzling redneck.

Barking up the wrong tree.....buddy!

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The poster who is citing that article is trying to trash “liberals” and firearms control laws.

But it’s true. The knee-jerk reaction by liberals and the first thing to come out of their mouths are: “we need more gun control and we need to get rid of AR guns.” They never want to talk about anything else but that.

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Why does the media and politicians only talk about gun control after a mass shooting which makes up a tiny percentage of the hundreds shot per day by gun violence across the U.S.?

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Why does the media and politicians only talk about gun control after a mass shooting which makes up a tiny percentage of the hundreds shot per day by gun violence across the U.S.?

Because going down that road leads them to facts, figures and identity group they dare not touch.

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A 21-year-old man charged with killing eight people in the Atlanta area last week had purchased a 9 mm handgun hours before the murders, prompting advocates to push for longer waiting periods for purchases.

He owned a hunting rifle already.

The city just south of the first business, Kennesaw, has a law on the books requiring a head of household to have a firearm and ammunition. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/us/kennesaw-georgia-gun-ownership/index.html The killed business owner lived in that town.

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The solution to Gun Violence, whether through mass shootings or one on one shootings , is lesser guns.

Some people in America haven't evolved since the 18th century and it is important to take away their guns for their brains to grow!!!!!

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Why does the media and politicians only talk about gun control after a mass shooting which makes up a tiny percentage of the hundreds shot per day by gun violence across the U.S.?

Because going down that road leads them to facts, figures and identity group they dare not touch.

I'll go down the road: ban all guns, except for those with hunting licenses, across the entire US, to stop all gun violence, not just mass shootings.

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The city just south of the first business, Kennesaw, has a law on the books requiring a head of household to have a firearm and ammunition. 

This law is extremely dumb.

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I'll go down the road: ban all guns, except for those with hunting licenses, across the entire US, to stop all gun violence, not just mass shootings.

That road leads to subjugation, loss of freedom and liberty.

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That road leads to subjugation, loss of freedom and liberty.

Subjugation of whom, by whom and what for purpose??

As I said there are people who haven't evolved in 400 years and unless their guns are taken away, they never will.

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This particular issue is a pretty big part of why I left the states and will never go back.

Most gun control advocates have been pushing for more sensible regulation about the ability to buy guns, but even then meet with crazy resistance in the States. I will take the more extreme position from most gun control advocates and say that no private citizen should ever own or be allowed to purchase a gun. Yes violent crimes can still happen with illegal guns, but that is a lot harder and the damage is far less widespread.

Hunting? Not necessary for 99% of the populace, but allow a very difficult provision for hunting licenses ala Japan. Require proof that is part of your livelihood.

Target Shooting? Public safety trumps your hobby, but even here we could allow secured guns at a range that can only be used there and are subject to regular police inspection.

Any other uses, Americans have shown they aren't capable of handling the responsibility.

People always cite the 2nd Amendment, but the idea of a militia overthrowing the US government if it became tyrannical is a joke with modern technology. It's outdated and not relevant.

Everyone is saying the same things every time this tragedy strikes and at the end of the day nothing will change. Everyone is entirely too invested in their position in the States. The arguments will cycle around, people will grandstand and then nothing will happen. I am happy to live in a country that has virtually no guns, and feel far safer than I would elsewhere. I honestly don't know what it would take to change America's mind at this point, I don't think it is possible.

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 Republicans showed no signs of wavering. Texas Sen Ted Cruz said that every time there is a shooting, the Senate engages in “ridiculous theater,”

Cruz remains a supporter of the Jan 6th insurrectionists. He and the others in the congressional insurrectionist caucus know that if their rioters had been armed with weapons stronger than bear spray, stun guns and pipe bombs it would have been easier for them to steal the election for their Trump. Expect Cruz etal to push to allow their far right militias to have even deadlier weapons.

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The solution to Gun Violence, whether through mass shootings or one on one shootings , is lesser guns.

That won’t happen so....

Some people in America haven't evolved since the 18th century and it is important to take away their guns for their brains to grow!!!!!

Well, that kind of rhetoric will only ensure that people don’t give up their guns, you’re not going to force people and Biden and the Dems won’t ratify the 2nd amendment, if they tried that, I think we really would have a revolution on our hands and by the way, how is that, that Washington our nation’s Capitol can continue to have ARMED guards surrounding them and protecting them as well as having a fence around them, but we can’t? How is it that most celebs can have bodyguards WITH GUNS to protect them, but we can’t? Why do I have to depend on the police when the libs in many cities started defunding them now have to be patient and wait longer while someone is committing a crime around me or in my house, I don’t have the right to do anything, just become a victim because m not privileged? Uh-huh, not going to happen. The nerve of these people is just outrageous.

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Firearms in the U.S. - statistics & facts….

https://www.statista.com/topics/1287/firearms-in-the-us/

According to the constitution, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”. Written into the social fabric of the nation, firearms have become synonymous with American freedoms and culture.

However, the relationship with guns and the people of the United States has become increasingly complicated in modern America. The United States appears to be lagging behind societal change as other developed nations have set to curb the ownership of tools initially designed as instruments of death.

Politicians cannot, will not, legislate for change, this is cultural fact.

Fire arms of all shapes and sizes, are here to stay.

The political necessity to pretend, when each looney tunes, opens fire massacring innocence, requires unpresented change in the forearm’s laws.

Rightly or wrongly, Is not going to happen.

So, politicians from whatever direction pay lip service, hem and haw to appear to be, well……

Democrats vow vote on gun bills; Biden says 'we have to act' …..They won’t, its a fudge    

Few US politician’s will.

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Cruz remains a supporter of the Jan 6th insurrectionists.

And a deep staunch supporter as a constitutionalist and 2nd amendment devoted supporter.

He and the others in the congressional insurrectionist caucus know that if their rioters had been armed with weapons stronger than bear spray, stun guns and pipe bombs it would have been easier for them to steal the election for their Trump.

Ok, Trump is not in the WH, so back to reality, hear and now, forget Trump, why won’t the Democrats support funding mental research?

Expect Cruz etal to push to allow their far right militias to have even deadlier weapons.

Why are liberals scared of? If they feel they’re on the right side of history and deeply believe in their convictions for supporting a losing measure, what do they have to fear? Almost a million protested and yet, the people that stormed the Capitol didn’t even reach 200. Stop labeling all conservatives as right-wing terrorists, just because we don’t believe in you guys trying to abolish our 2nd amendment or that you support this President. The fools of Jan. 6th have nothing to do with 99% of conservative Americans.

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Nobody is stopping you from hiring bodyguards

Of course not, most Americans don’t have that kind of money, so enter the need for a firearm to assist and protect us. You just made my argument for me. Appreciate it.

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The gun addicted nuts are the same ones who tried to overthrow democracy on Jan 6th, their delusions of a revolution were quashed that day and will be again if they try the same madness.

The NRA has been proven to be a corrupt and even traitorous organization and their membership will continue to fall.

Gun nuts will be where they belong, in prison!!!

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so enter the need for a firearm to assist and protect us. 

I was born, raised and lived in the US for decades. I grew up in a small town where many boys made gun racks in shop class to put in their pickup trucks. I spent 10 years living in an inner city area. And NEVER owned a firearm, NEVER felt so afraid I even considered needing one.

Gun extremists must live in a world where they're consumed with fear of their own making. People who are that scared scare me. But not enough to buy a gun.

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This is all I am going to enter into this debate. It is boring.

Congress is going to preen and fawn and so is Biden. In the end it isn't going anywhere. Clinton and Obama both had 8 years and ran on "common sense gun control". Both began their administrations with Dem majority in Congress. Apart from cosmetic changes about grain weight for civilian rounds, monthly cap on ammunition purchases, and additional items on background checks they did nothing.

Now for .22 and .223: Let me use an real world example most people who aren’t familiar with firearms is likely to understand. Baseballs they are all the same size and weight but there is a big different when you take into effect who is throwing the ball. A .22 is like a baseball thrown by a highschool pitcher player vs .223 that is like a baseball thrown by a major league player. One is going to hurt a lot more if you get hit.

All of this piffle by the Dems is theatre just like their fencing and National Guards around the Capital Building.

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Irrelevant to Cruz continuing to support the insurrectionists that attempted to foment a coup on Jan. 6.

No, it’s all revenant because of Cruz legal background in constitutional law, the majority of liberals in congress know they don’t stand a chance to bring illogical and flimsy arguments about confiscating guns.

They are.

They don’t, if they did they would talk more about it and they never do. How many reports on mental illness this week? They talked more about Biden slipping on Air Force One than they did about mental illness.

Conservative gun nutters with mental health issues and unrestricted access to firearms.

What about guys like this one who was a liberal and a Muslim? They’re not a danger? Only conservatives? P. Smith, take a breath for a moment, what you just said just made zero sense and there is no way you or any other lib can justify that one. I’m being sincere now. This is NOT about Trump or conservatives, let’s be real now.

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 I don’t have the right to do anything, just become a victim because m not privileged

After posting for years you were born and raised privileged you're now saying you're not. OK

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I was born, raised and lived in the US for decades. I grew up in a small town where many boys made gun racks in shop class to put in their pickup trucks. I spent 10 years living in an inner city area. And NEVER owned a firearm, NEVER felt so afraid I even considered needing one. 

Ok, that’s you and I respect that, I grew up half of my life in LA, we didn’t need a gun either, but my father collected them, we are all hunters and used guns regularly for conservation and hunting and we never had a problem, but that’s not for everyone in the country, so how you and I grew up has nothing to do with millions that all different experiences when it comes to dealing with firearms.

Gun extremists must live in a world where they're consumed with fear of their own making.

I’m not in fear and I’m a gun enthusiast as most people I know.

People who are that scared scare me. But not enough to buy a gun.

Ok, that’s how YOU personally feel, and not everyone feels the same.

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GOP will do nothing. Because doing nothing is working out so well for America.

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Guns control is unlikely to initiated from Government, any Government, or from a politician. Never believe privately there constituents will support such an agenda.

Change will need to be driven non political and community driven, step by step.

The crux, argument/ debate is that legislative barriers, restricting the right to bear arms, infringe on citizens ability to counter the risk to safely protect themselves in their homes

Or if any future government turned against the people.

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That road leads to subjugation, loss of freedom and liberty.

No, it doesn't.

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Biden and the Dems won’t ratify the 2nd amendment

Please learn what the word "ratify" means.

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After posting for years you were born and raised privileged you're now saying you're not. OK

I never said I wasn’t privileged. Not my fault my parents had money, I wasn’t spoiled, but I was taught at an early age how to use a gun and how to respect it and I do. Most of my dearest friends don’t even know I have guns except for the ones I hunt with. It’s not something I brag about and if they ask me, I would tell them, but I don’t bring it up myself as part of a conversation topic. It’s a personal issue for me.

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What about guys like this one who was a liberal and a Muslim? They’re not a danger? Only conservatives?

No, they all are. Anyone with a gun is dangerous. Because they can shoot and kill someone. So we need to ban them.

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I grew up half of my life in LA, we didn’t need a gun either, but my father collected them, we are all hunters and used guns regularly for conservation and hunting 

Ah, yes, that famous wilderness... Anaheim!?

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NorthernlifeToday  10:37 am JST

Gun control will not happen in the US they are too smart for that...

Well Americans sure do like to keep showing the world just how smart they are don't they.....

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Talk about the Second Amendment is wasted time and energy. Unlike places like Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand who made big changes to their gun laws after mass shootings (and I'm not arguing their efficacy here), the US struggles to make even popularly supported changes such as extended background checks - even after 20 elementary school kids and seven adults fell victim in one such incident in 2012 - let alone amendments to their Bill of Rights.

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Ironically any such measures to introduce stricter gun laws will increase gun sales. Gun sales went through the roof when Obama was in power, and there was a Trump slump for the past few years. Seems like the good old days are back again for the US gun lobby. That's why I love 'Merica

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-sales-idUSKCN1PN346

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Now for .22 and .223: Let me use an real world example most people who aren’t familiar with firearms is likely to understand. Baseballs they are all the same size and weight but there is a big different when you take into effect who is throwing the ball. A .22 is like a baseball thrown by a highschool pitcher player vs .223 that is like a baseball thrown by a major league player. One is going to hurt a lot more if you get hit.

Funny. I just read that comparison earlier, on Quora.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-22-bullet-and-a-223-bullet

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No, they all are. Anyone with a gun is dangerous.

Anyone with a kitchen knife, scissors, ice pick, mental disorder etc all are or can be dangerous.

Because they can shoot and kill someone.

These people can use other weapons to kill as well.

So we need to ban them.

That won’t happen, let’s have a discussion and les emotional outburst because you saying band them or Joy Behar won’t get them banned, now if they get rid of the filibuster, then that could happen, but then you would be opening up Pandora’s back and now you’re asking for trouble.

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Ah, yes, that famous wilderness... Anaheim!?

The Mighty Ducks are a sports team, not a game reserve.

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Ah, yes, that famous wilderness... Anaheim!?

What?

You don't need automatic weapons or assault weapons for hunting.

You can’t tell me what I need or don’t need. I buy what I legally can.

A killer should not be able to buy a gun on the same day he commits a mass shooting.

True, but that’s something entirely different.

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Anyone with a kitchen knife, scissors, ice pick, mental disorder etc all are or can be dangerous.

All those tools have a practical use other than killing. Mental illness is not a weapon.

These people can use other weapons to kill as well.

Why do you think infantries are armed with guns and not scissors?

That won’t happen, let’s have a discussion and les emotional outburst because you saying band them or Joy Behar won’t get them banned, now if they get rid of the filibuster, then that could happen, but then you would be opening up Pandora’s back and now you’re asking for trouble.

I can't understand this. Could you try again, in English?

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The Mighty Ducks are a sports team, not a game reserve.

You don't say. Would you say that someone who says they grew up in Orange County and also went hunting all the time might be being less than truthful?

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President Obama was absolutely right when he said these gun hoarders cling to their bibles and guns...because they feel powerless and are filled with fear. Spend a night watching Fox News line-up of hate and fear mongers spin their far-right kooky conspiracy theories and you'd want a gun to protect you from Bigfoot, Alien Lizards, and Hillary....and Ed and Martha across the street because they want your stash of toilet paper too...

All you need to do to update Obama's comment is to add the Great Orange Oracle as one more thing they deify and worship...

Ask them why they want their arsenals and they'll tell you to protect themselves from "the government"....

Ask them if that means the police and/or the military and if they plan to use their weapons if those folks show up at their door, they'll say yes....

Ask them how that squares with Blue Lives Matter and support for our troops and their brain freezes...

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All those tools have a practical use other than killing. Mental illness is not a weapon.

But anything you can get in your hands if you have mental illness can be used as a weapon.

Why do you think infantries are armed with guns and not scissors?

Why do you think they have carry short blades on them? Close combat.

I can't understand this. Could you try again, in English?

That’s the problem, less emotion, calm down then liberals can make better supporting arguments.

If automatic weapons and assault weapons made for the military were illegal then you would not be able to own them,

I don’t live in the world of “but if...” or hypotheticals, I can and I own them.

There are many illegal weapons you can't buy.

But they don’t fall under the 2nd amendment as far as it concerns firearms.

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Most of my dearest friends don’t even know I have guns except for the ones I hunt with. It’s not something I brag about and if they ask me, I would tell them, but I don’t bring it up myself as part of a conversation topic. It’s a personal issue for me.

I was brought up by wolves, never needed a gun for my daily meat.

Dont bring it up with my friends either, too personal!!!

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"We have to act!"

Act is a good description. It's basically the same thing these politicians said after the massacre of all those children at Sandy Hook. Do would be better than act, but the NRA has a tight grip on the Republican politicians so they're too afraid to focus on what's best for society. In other words, these politicians will just act, just like actors do on a stage do, but, at the end of the day, they won't have changed a damn thing.

A peculiar thing, I noticed on the Facebook page of 20 year old Denny Stong (one of the ten Boulder victims) that his last Facebook entry was to show support for a gun rights foundation. Rather odd considering how he lost his life.

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But anything you can get in your hands if you have mental illness can be used as a weapon.

"Mental illness" and "inherently violent" are not synonyms.

Why do you think they have carry short blades on them? Close combat.

Can you answer my question?

That’s the problem, less emotion, calm down then liberals can make better supporting arguments.

I don't think liberals have good arguments, that's why I'm not one. That doesn't help me get through your post, though. Could you rewrite it in English? Rule 19 of this board is that posts should be in intelligible English.

But they don’t fall under the 2nd amendment as far as it concerns firearms.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't mention firearms.

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This is an older piece, but still so revenant and as usual, nothing from liberals, just continued silence.....

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/05/09/getting-the-mentally-ill-out-of-jail-and-off-the-streets/psychiatric-institutions-are-a-necessity

if you like hunting and weapons why is it you don't have them in Japan?

Japan has CD’s why? No one uses them pretty much anymore and yet, the Japanese still do and like the format and it’s because they can and love to buy and support it. Use the same analogy and apply that to guns. Stop asking me benign questions like that. I don’t hunt in Japan, whatever the law is, I follow and when I’m in the US, the law and constitution allows me to own a firearm.

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"Mental illness" and "inherently violent" are not synonyms.

True and yet the Don’t want to debate either, they just think, we should band guns, not going to happen.

Can you answer my question?

I just did.

I don't think liberals have good arguments, that's why I'm not one.

Good, so then we can say, liberals don’t have any rational argument except for losing one sided talking points, abolish the 2nd amendment and confiscate all guns, not going to happen.

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True

Thank you for accepting that mental illness is not the cause of gun violence. This leaves just one culprit: guns.

I just did.

You didn't. Why are guns, and not scissors, given to soldiers to fight wars?

Good, so then we can say, liberals don’t have any rational argument except for losing one sided talking points, abolish the 2nd amendment and confiscate all guns, not going to happen.

I'm a socialist. I think we should abolish the 2nd amendment, since other countries which have banned guns have seen deaths by gun drop dramatically. The numbers don't lie. The NRA does.

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