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British Prime Minister Theresa May appealed directly to fellow European leaders on Wednesday to drop "unacceptable" Brexit demands that she said could rip Britain apart, and urged the bloc to respond in kind to her "serious and workable" plan.

(Not that it would be good for anyone) Pot-kettle-black....sorry but I don't blame the EU if their actions "rip Britain apart".

Britain made the choice to rip itself away from the EU, and now expect the EU to be nice and help them survive? Rather hypocritical.

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''Unacceptable demands''? And this is coming from a country whose foreign minister said, quote: our foreign policy is to have our cake, and eat it too. A country that has for decades been given countless special policies and exceptions that put them in a privilaged position within the EU. A country that left the EU because they claimed ''the EU need us, we don't need them, we will get eveerything we want, eveeryone will beg for us to trade with them'', and now they are accusing the EU of having unacceptable demands? Merkel was right when she said -- some people in England live in another dimension.

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Maybe its time for Northern Ireland to leave the UK. Geographically, culturally and historically it is Irish not British. Even our passports say the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, yet Northern Irish are considered British. For a while it didn't matter, because we were all in the EU, but now that Britain is leaving, NI needs to separate and either form a united ireland with the irish republic or become its own country.

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You just have to see the results of the Brexit vote to see that Britain doesn't need anyone to tear itself apart.

Northern Ireland and Scotland voted overwhelmingly against leaving. If they vote in the future for their independence, it won't be the EU's fault. Britain did it to itself.

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Basically UK wants all of the benefits from brexit but none of the consequences. we'll see

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Northern Ireland and Scotland voted overwhelmingly against leaving. If they vote in the future for their independence, it won't be the EU's fault. Britain did it to itself.

Just England and Wales did it-, and I'm starting to think that the EU is dragging its feet because tearing away NI and Scotland is exactly what they want to happen. UK leaving the EU is not good for the bloc. But if its just England and Wales, they won't care as much.

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Like watching a train wreck in slow motion. EU holding all the cards and the worse it is for Britain the more disincentive it is for other countries to leave.

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to drop "unacceptable" Brexit demands that she said could rip Britain apart, and urged the bloc to respond in kind to her "serious and workable" plan.

The Britons with 'arrogance' embedded in their DNA ready to lick the unwashed continental soles :)

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Probably in NI and Scotland's best interest to be independent and a part of the EU with Ireland, and England/Wales to go it alone. They could form a separate free trade agreement

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Whatever else, the UK did this to itself. Or more accurately, the Conservatives and the provincial xenophobes did this to the UK.

Don’t tear Britain apart? Humbug. Britain leaving the EU is certainly put extreme strains on it. The EU has to put certain conditions on the UK.

It very likely Scotland and Northern Ireland will leave the UK and stay with the EU, where they have more benefits.

Will Great Britain become Off Shore Britain? Likely.

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Desperate times call for desperate measures and May is now literally begging EU leaders to accept her unacceptable plan. Is she (and Raab) for real?

This shows how unprepared the tories were/are for brexit. Sheer incompetence.

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NI needs to separate and either form a united ireland with the irish republic or become its own country.

I don’t think NI would be a viable economic unit as a separate country. Unification with the Republic of Ireland is more thinkable than before.

Reckless has it right. The EU has to show that leaving the EU will be punished. Some of the posts here are criticizing the UK for voting out but not discussing what May should do in these negotiations.

What would you do?

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England and Wales = 89% of the population of the UK

Scotland's population is only 5.4 million, and N. Ireland's is 1.8 million.

Scotland as an independent country would have a national debt worse than Greece, and the EU has already stated that Scotland would not be accepted as a new member (mainly because of Spain and the Catalonia situation).

According to recent polls, most Brits (ex N. Ireland) wouldn't mind N. Ireland leaving the UK for a united Ireland if it meant the UK could leave the EU cleanly. I think this is quite sad, but it seems that it is the Northern Irish who want to stay in the UK rather than English people wanting them to stay.

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How ironic.

Britain was quite happy to rip many other countries apart, e.g, when 80% of Ireland wanted independence in 1921, Britain decided it had to respect the wishes of the 20% (descendants of British colonial planters) in north-east Ireland , and ripped the country apart, causing decides of strife.

Britain also ripped apart the Indian subcontinent and several African colonies, imposing artificial borders.

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Yes or No should have both been acceptable options. To make No out to be a vendetta to prevent others from leaving is pretty petty. UK didn't help itself but exiting should have been an option

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Some of the posts here are criticizing the UK for voting out but not discussing what May should do in these negotiations. What would you do?

Take it on the chin, pay their bills & leave. A clean break i.e. the brexit British ppl voted for, simple as that. Brexiteers shouldn't have assumed that other EU members would accept their silly/unacceptable 'soft brexit' plan. Turns out, the uk govt didn't even have a realistic/achievable plan A let alone a plan B, C etc. They were ridiculously unprepared and are now begging for EU's forgiveness & understanding.

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England was well aware of the EU position going in - you're either in, or you're out. But instead, they ignored the obvious because they thought they could cherry-pick from existing regulations, thus having their pie and eating it, too. Instead the Tories are now eating crow, which I suppose the people of England will have to develop a taste for.

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Good grief, people. We already know that public sentiment on Brexit was manipulated by Russian propaganda. It was a non-binding referendum...just declare the whole thing null and void, and be done with it. Hold snap elections to re-form the government, and move on.

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Strange women lying in ponds dispensing out swords is hardly a basis for a system of government

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why does the EU need to help? The Tories and Labour are doing well enough all by themselves. You watery tart!

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Remember that song: "I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now"?

Seems like May is singing t the same tunes.

No, if the EU decides one way, you can't have it your way.

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England will be finished without Europe. I lived on an estate there. Drugs, unemployment, poverty, bad schools, the list is endless.

toffs rule.

trade is the answer, but to cut off...hell

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 The EU has to show that leaving the EU will be punished.

No theyre showing being in the EU is more advantages than not, and rightly so, if EU members can see that leaving can keep all the advantages without any of the requirements, why would anybody want to stay.

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The EU has to show that leaving the EU will be punished.

No theyre showing being in the EU is more advantages than not

I actually agree that on balance staying in the EU has more advantages than not although I don’t like the behemoth it became.

Still, I don’t see why you disagree that it is in the best interests of the EU to send out a message that countries looking to leave will be given as hard a time as possible. It seems like common sense to me.

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An uneducated population voting reaps results like this. It's up the Britain to sort itself out not the EU. Ireland should insist on a hard border at Britains expense. Kind of like a Gaelic Trump wall.

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I don’t think NI would be a viable economic unit as a separate country. Unification with the Republic of Ireland is more thinkable than before.

I agree with that.

Reckless has it right. The EU has to show that leaving the EU will be punished. Some of the posts here are criticizing the UK for voting out but not discussing what May should do in these negotiations.

Exactly.

What would you do?

Well that's the million dollar question. I know I'm beating a dead horse and many people are going to roll their eyes at this: But this is EXACTLY WHY I have been saying for the last few months  that the UK needs to pursue CANZUK- which is a FTA and open borders agreement with Canada Australia and New Zealand.

Here are the reasons for this: Its obvious as Reckless said that the EU wants to punish the UK for leaving, and I for 1 can't blame them (I'm british).

Let's look at it from the EU's point of view.

If the UK gets a good deal with EU then other countries will get the idea that they can leave too while getting a good deal and the bloc may tear itself apart. This is very dangerous considering the current climate with the problems the EU is having with Poland Italy and especially Hungary. The EU cannot afford to give the UK any concessions because to do so could mean more countries leaving and the bloc collapsing. They can hardly be blamed for their hard stance.

Now let's look at things from the UK's point of view.

The UK doesn't want to tear itself apart. NI and Scotland may VERY WELL leave and go back to the EU if a satisfactory deal is not reached OR if there isn't ANOTHER reason to keep them in the Union. So what could possibly convince these two regions to remain within the UK? Well, if they were part of a different bloc. A bloc that unites 4 countries with  similar GDPs per capita and standards of living and same languages. If the UK was to sign a CANZUK deal it is highly unlikely that Scotland would leave (N ireland maybe because of Irish unification, but who knows). If the british end up trading the EU for CANZ it would keep the union together or at least stand a better chance of keeping it together, as I am sure that without being part of A bloc will tear it apart.

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Take it on the chin, pay their bills & leave. A clean break i.e. the brexit British ppl voted for

Thanks for that comment. I think that way too although I was a reluctant remainer. The issue of the remain majorities in Scotland and NI are a real priblem but they were part of the union in a UK referendum. If they want independence as a result of Brexit, let them have it.

Anyway, thanks for an on-point comment. Some people seem to think rattling on about colonialism is somehow relevant to this discussion.

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I am just really confused by the UK. The EU isn’t forcing them out, if doing so is going to rip Britain apart, which should have been obvious from the start, then maybe Britain shouldn’t have elected an idiot for PM who actually thought putting it to a referendum was a good idea. The EU isn’t ripping the UK apart, the UK is ripping the EU apart (or at least ripping itself out of it).

I could not be less sympathetic to the UK on this if I tried.

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Aly,

Maybe its time for Northern Ireland to leave the UK. Geographically, culturally and historically it is Irish not British.

What is "British"?, it is the identity of the UK.

Even our passports say the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, yet Northern Irish are considered British.

That's because it is the right of anyone born in the UK to be a UK National - AKA British

For a while it didn't matter, because we were all in the EU, but now that Britain is leaving, NI needs to separate and either form a united ireland with the irish republic or become its own country.

People from Northern Ireland aren't second-class citizens, to be ejected from their country at will.

Firefox,

Britain was quite happy to rip many other countries apart, e.g, when 80% of Ireland wanted independence in 1921, Britain decided it had to respect the wishes of the 20% (descendants of British colonial planters) in north-east Ireland , and ripped the country apart, causing decides of strife. 

There was no referendum on Irish Independance, so you can't say "80% of Ireland wanted it". There was a guerrilla war that had demands they wanted met, people in the northeast of Ireland who did not want those demands met, and a nation sapped from the ardors of the Great War which wanted a tolerable solution. Forcing Northern Ireland into the South would have lead to a massive bloodbath of a Civil War, one which would probably cause massive loss of life in GB too.

Britain also ripped apart the Indian subcontinent and several African colonies, imposing artificial borders.

The peoples of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh did not accept any possible solutions to the problem of becoming a nation together, partition was inevitable.

As for artificial borders - well, all borders are imposed in some fashion.

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What is "British"?, it is the identity of the UK.

I'm sorry to disagree with you but the UK is Britain and N Ireland. The British are the English, Scottish and the Welsh. The native people of N Ireland are not british. They are Irish.

That's because it is the right of anyone born in the UK to be a UK National -

Actually that's not true anymore thanks to the #itch M. Thatcher (put a B or a W up to you). But no, people today born in the UK are not automatically british anymore as far as I know. You need have one british parent.

People from Northern Ireland aren't second-class citizens, to be ejected from their country at will.

No one said they were. What I said was:

NI needs to separate and either form a united ireland with the irish republic or become its own country.

That's hardly calling them second class citizens. Please don't put words in my mouth. My reference was due to the fact that Ireland now will be torn apart by Brexit and it might be best for N Ireland to separate and rejoin the EU either as part of a united ireland or as a republic of nothern ireland. This would be done by referendum, and if the majority chose to leave the EU and stay with the UK then they should be free to do so. No body is talking about ejecting them from anywhere.

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There was no referendum on Irish Independance, so you can't say "80% of Ireland wanted it". There was a guerrilla war that had demands they wanted met, people in the northeast of Ireland who did not want those demands met, and a nation sapped from the ardors of the Great War which wanted a tolerable solution. Forcing Northern Ireland into the South would have lead to a massive bloodbath of a Civil War, one which would probably cause massive loss of life in GB too.

That is very true. There were also internal problems with Catholics and Protestants. The irish issue is very difficult and complicated. Agree with U.

The peoples of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh did not accept any possible solutions to the problem of becoming a nation together, partition was inevitable.

Very true too. Like the Irish problem India was plagued by strife between different faiths.

As for artificial borders - well, all borders are imposed in some fashion.

That unfortunately is very true.

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"England will be finished without Europe"

Nope. But the EU is doomed.

http://listverse.com/2017/05/06/top-10-reasons-the-european-union-is-doomed/

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Don't rip Britain apart, May appeals to fellow EU leaders on Brexit

Too late for that... the Eurosceptics, Farage and ultimately former PM James Cameron have already done that by holding a Brexit referendum.

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I meant DAVID Cameron of course hahaha

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I think this is quite sad, but it seems that it is the Northern Irish who want to stay in the UK rather than English people wanting them to stay.

Obviously you didn't bother reading the title. May apparently wants a whole United Kingdom.

And I hope it tears the Kingdom apart, enjoy your crow, Teresa.

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Britain also ripped apart the Indian subcontinent and several African colonies, imposing artificial borders.

Imposing artificial borders in the Middle East as well..

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"England will be finished without Europe"

Nope. But the EU is doomed.

http://listverse.com/2017/05/06/top-10-reasons-the-european-union-is-doomed/

A list made by the unstable writer Ash Sharp full of nonsense.

Here some feel good footage for Brexiteers with this chap:

https://youtu.be/wZdig6yFsls

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What is "British"?, it is the identity of the UK.

I'm sorry to disagree with you but the UK is Britain and N Ireland. The British are the English, Scottish and the Welsh. The native people of N Ireland are not british. They are Irish.

So the British are the English, Scottish and Welsh?

Now you're bringing in DNA strings I always learned the the Irish, Scots and the Welsh have more in common based on Celtic heritage than with the majority of Anglo Saxon mix.

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No deal means as Dr María-Luisa Sánchez-Barrueco, Senior Lecturer in EU Law and Politics, University of Deusto, evidence to the House of Lords subcommittee stated …......

In my view, from a legal perspective, there will be only two options in April 2019: either an agreement, in which case its provisions will apply, or nothing. When I say nothing, I mean it. If the treaties collapse for the UK, the whole legal building—all the legal documents hanging from the treaties—will collapse. That includes the MFF, the annual budget, the programmes and the individual funding decisions for beneficiaries.

As I see it, the sole value of the current legal framework is not a legal one, but a political one—to crystallise the balance between the UK and the EU that will represent the starting point for the negotiations.

I can see only three potential exceptions to that scenario according to which the current legal framework would remain in force. The first two would require a compromise between the parties—either a withdrawal agreement or a unanimous decision to extend the two-year period. The third exception would be unilateral—if the UK Government decided to include specific provisions of the current budgetary framework in the great repeal Act. Both options present risks and shortcomings. The first option—the bilateral solution—presents obvious risks of not reaching a negotiation. The unilateral option presents the risk that it will be unilateral and will not ensure that the EU meets its commitments..........

So when the UK leaves the European Union under the terms of Article 50 without a withdrawal agreement, in other words, the cleanest of breaks, it is clear......

To quote Dr María-Luisa Sánchez-Barrueco further.....

In my view, there is no legal basis in the current legal framework to defend an extension of the binding force of the treaties or the legal Acts hanging there from if the parties do not reach explicit agreement on it. The underlying reason, to me—I am willing to discuss it with members of the Committee—is that Article 50 is the prevailing provision in the treaty. It prevails over the remaining provisions in the treaties—the provisions that provide for the binding force of the MFF, the annual framework and the competence of the European Court of Justice, because it is the lex specialis applicable to a withdrawal situation. If Article 50 orders the treaties to cease to apply, it means the whole of the treaties—everything. The underlying reason is that Article 50 was drafted by member states so as to allow for withdrawal, but to discourage it—to encourage negotiation leading to an agreement. The alternative will be the absolute void.

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/eu-financial-affairs-subcommittee/brexit-eu-budget/oral/45724.html

All parties drew there red lines, for whatever reason, and rigidity stuck to them, any written spoken agreement by definition cannot rationally be concluded alone these lines.

There is a fudge coming though …...

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So the British are the English, Scottish and Welsh?

Yes.

Now you're bringing in DNA strings I always learned the the Irish, Scots and the Welsh have more in common based on Celtic heritage than with the majority of Anglo Saxon mix.

Its actually alot more complicated than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts

Which is exactly why I didn't want to bring the whole celtic thing in there as it is an anthropologistic nightmare debate which would probably get deleted by the mods for not having anything to do with the discussion at hand.

My point, and the one I want to stick to, is that the people of N. Ireland are closer to their Irish bredthren than they are to the british island and to reach a deal on a hard border between the EU and the UK, the best thing for everyone might be to allow NI to leave the UK IF THEY SO WISH, and to reunite with the EU. Doing so might less complicate the whole Irish border which is a sticking point in the negociations. The real question and dilemma then becomes what happens if NI votes to stay within the UK? How do deal with the Irish border will be a very serious problem. It already is.

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Ultimately, in the event of failure to negotiate a withdrawal agreement, the issues, political and economic, will be the sole responsibility of the UK and Irish Governments.

There is no practical proposal or solution to implementing a hard boarder on a fronter that stretches for 310 miles.

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This is where Canzuk comes in. I personally believe there will be no agreement between the UK and the EU. A hard brexit with no agreement will be disasterous for the UK more than the EU. Lets not kid ourselves about that.

But let me ask all those who don't like the idea of CANZUK- what other options does the UK have? Britain needs friends. For the past 40+ years its put all its eggs in the EU basket and now has elected to toss that basket into the trash. Now what? If you are leading the UK today, how do you navigate this disaster? The UK needs to find friends and it needs to find them fast.

The first countries that came knocking at the UK's door and did not treat the UK as a leper are the CANZ countries. All 3 reacted positively to Brexit saying that it was bringing new opportunities for them. The rest of the world has by and large reacted negatively to Brexit and has treated the UK like a diseased country, but the positive reaction of CANZ should be a wake up call for Britain. That alongside the imminent demise of NAFTA leaves Canada in a similar situation as the UK. For decades, like the UK, Canada has put all her eggs in one basket, although unlike the UK, Canada didn't choose to upset that basket.  But the results are the same. Mexico and the US are reaching a bilateral agreement, ignoring Canada altogether. 

So now, Both countries are left out in the cold and are trying to depend on the kindness of the Superpower next door to ease their suffering. This is a mistake. Canada and the UK should immediately agree to an FTA and open borders agreement that immediately comes into play after brexit.  OZ and NZ already have that with the trans tasman travel agreement so merging these 2 agreements to form a CANZUK FTA and open borders agreement should be a no brainer. With regards to the UK and Canada, what other options do they have? Seriously.

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Aly Rustom:

Rather than CANZUK, how about the entirety of the Commonwealth of Nations? There are 53 member states, the Queen is shared as head of the Commonwealth (with no power at all). Or just use the Commonwealth realms (16) where the Queen is the head of state for all (reserve power executed by each country's governor-general).

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Perfect timing. Trump alienating Canada may find NAFTA replaced with Commonwealth free trade zone.

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Aly Rustom:

Rather than CANZUK, how about the entirety of the Commonwealth of Nations? There are 53 member states, the Queen is shared as head of the Commonwealth (with no power at all). Or just use the Commonwealth realms (16) where the Queen is the head of state for all (reserve power executed by each country's governor-general).

Hi juminRhee! Nice to talk to you.

Actually this issue was discussed on the canzuk website here. Please enjoy the read:

http://www.canzukinternational.com/2018/07/which-countries.html

Unfortunately, most of the rest of the commonwealth do not share the same standard of living as these 4 do and that is the main concern. Some, like the Bahamas, of course do, but if you make an exception for 1 others might insist on the same so I think that the FTA Open borders and hopefully a customs union would remain with those 4 countries.  However, I would hope that the British Overseas territories would be included as part of the UK as they have not declared themselves sovereign countries. That being said, there is nothing to say that a deal cannot be made preferential treatment to the nations of the commonwealth, PARTICULARLY those who retain the Queen. They can move forward from there. 

But the Key Thing is, the UK has to move quickly. A Hard Brexit with NO deal  (you can have a hard brexit with a deal) would throw the UK into chaos, and that is looking more and more like what's going to happen. And for those who think screw the UK they did it to themselves are forgetting the lessons learned from the 2008 financial crisis; which is the world is interlinked now. So when you upset the world order its like throwing a rock into a small pond. The ripples will be felt elsewhere. The UK is the 5th largest economy after the US China Japan and Germany. It is foolhardy to think that a collapse of the UK economy will not be felt elsewhere. It will. However, since the Uk did in fact cause this mess with Brexit, it is only right that they fix it. I just don't see a deal with the EU coming to fruition. The UK is going to have to look to Canzuk to soften the blow- not just for themselves, but for the Canadians as well.

Perfect timing. Trump alienating Canada may find NAFTA replaced with Commonwealth free trade zone.

It is Perfect timing Isn't it?   NAFTA replaced with a Commonwealth free trade zone would be a good thing, in my opinion. Anyway, the US and Mexico are going to come to an agreement, so they'll be ok.

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Ally,

I'm sorry to disagree with you but the UK is Britain and N Ireland. The British are the English, Scottish and the Welsh. The native people of N Ireland are not british. They are Irish. 

Look, the accepted demonym for people from the UK is British. People from Northern Ireland are UK Nationals. Now it would have been nice to come up with a demonym that obviously encompasses the whole of the UK, but what would that be?

People from Northern Ireland aren't second-class citizens, to be ejected from their country at will.*

No one said they were. What I said was: 

NI needs to separate and either form a united ireland with the irish republic or become its own country.

That's hardly calling them second class citizens. Please don't put words in my mouth.

From my point of view that statement is saying that you don't want us in the UK, and we should leave. That's a choice for the people of Northern Ireland to make, as citizens of the UK.

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Look, the accepted demonym for people from the UK is British. People from Northern Ireland are UK Nationals. Now it would have been nice to come up with a demonym that obviously encompasses the whole of the UK, but what would that be?

You are 100% correct.

What about dropping the mention of N Ireland on the passport? If NI IS in fact British, why does our passport say the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland? Its redundant. I would support changing the name of the passport to just the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

It doesn't say the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland..Or  the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Scotland, and Northern Ireland...

Its redundant. I would support changing the name of the passport to just the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

From my point of view that statement is saying that you don't want us in the UK, and we should leave.

Your point of view is wrong. I did not say that NOR do I think that.

Let me repost my last post again. Here it is:

My point, and the one I want to stick to, is that the people of N. Ireland are closer to their Irish bredthren than they are to the british island and to reach a deal on a hard border between the EU and the UK, the best thing for everyone might be to allow NI to leave the UK IF THEY SO WISH, and to reunite with the EU. Doing so might less complicate the whole Irish border which is a sticking point in the negociations. The real question and dilemma then becomes what happens if NI votes to stay within the UK? How do deal with the Irish border will be a very serious problem. It already is.

Now let me go over the important points of that quote..

the best thing for everyone might be to allow NI to leave the UK IF THEY SO WISH,

Notice I said IF THEY SO WISH in capitals in the original post PARTICULARLY so that NO ONE would get the idea I was telling them to leave. It should have been obvious enough.

That's a choice for the people of Northern Ireland to make, as citizens of the UK.*

That's EXACTLY what IF THEY SO WISH means.

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The reality of the situation is: There is going to be a hard brexit with a hard border with the EU. That includes the republic of Ireland. So the reality of the situation is, Northern Ireland is going to have to choose between a hard border with Ireland or a hard border with the UK. That's just the reality. I was a remainer. Now I'm a realist. We're leaving. It is what it is.

But whichever way NI chooses to go, as a british citizen I'll support it because it will be your democratic decision as British Citizens.

Want to leave with us? Welcome. Want to stay in the EU? we wish you the best of luck.

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 With regards to the UK and Canada, what other options do they have? Seriously.

Canada has a trade agreement with the EU [CETA]

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Which is exactly why I didn't want to bring the whole celtic thing in there as it is an anthropologistic nightmare debate

Yep, The Brits are not so united as they want the outside world to believe..

And then we've the the British passport holders with roots outside the Kingdom :)

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Canada has a trade agreement with the EU [CETA]

Whoopdie dooo!

Yep, The Brits are not so united as they want the outside world to believe..

And then we've the the British passport holders with roots outside the Kingdom :)

What does that have to do with ANYTHING?

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Yep, The Brits are not so united as they want the outside world to believe..

*

And then we've the the British passport holders with roots outside the Kingdom :)

And you can say that about ANY developed country on this planet.

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