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Europe, U.S. reel as virus infections surge at record pace

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By DAVID CRARY, CARLA K. JOHNSON and GEIR MOULSON

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It seems COVID-19 is proving the parallels drawn between it and the 1918 flu pandemic right. A second wave as the seasons change. Time for proper containment procedures like in New Zealand with enough resources provided to the public to maintain them for the duration without severe economic distress.

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It seems COVID-19 is proving the parallels drawn between it and the 1918 flu pandemic right.

No, it's not. The increase in deaths is a result of seasonal change, correct, but it's a blip in comparison to the initial outbreak. Data is consistently showing the infection fatality rate is lower than first thought. Continued lockdowns cause more harm than good. NZ did well enough at first but they are effectly stuck now with no way out until a vaccine is found. Any time new community cases are found they'll lock down again, causing more economic harm.

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Data is consistently showing the infection fatality rate is lower than first thought.

This is a misrepresentation of the situation, put forward by laymen who feel qualified to speak as experts.

CFR (Case Fatality Rate) is never known until after the pandemic, as it changes. It changes because more data becomes available, and treatments improve accordingly.

The CFR was what the CFR was at the start. It wasn't lower than though, it was what it was. Now it is what it is, as that is what the CFR has become. No one said the CFR wouldn't improve, on the contrary, the whole point of social distancing, masks, and lockdowns, is to relieve the burden on the medical systems, in order to not only lower the CFR, but to also keep the infection rate down, which means that regardless of what the CFR is, it will translate into less deaths through less infection. Remember, CFR is simply a percentage of the people who get it that die.

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Continued lockdowns cause more harm than good.

Not in NZ. The lockdown hasn't caused major harm, and now the people are living life as normal.

NZ did well enough at first but they are effectly stuck now with no way out until a vaccine is found.

Stuck? Stuck how? They are living life normally within their country, unlike the majority of the world. They aren't stuck at all, they're freer than almost everyone else.

Any time new community cases are found they'll lock down again, causing more economic harm.

What economic harm has it caused, and how does this compare to the amount of economic harm to nations who haven't taken the same steps as NZ?

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This is a misrepresentation of the situation, put forward by laymen who feel qualified to speak as experts

Like the fearmongering mainstream media and opportunistic politicians.

What economic harm has it caused, and how does this compare to the amount of economic harm to nations who haven't taken the same steps as NZ?

Apart from those already forced to shut up shop, when the wage subsidy ends (shortly) there will be wave of unemployment.

Stuck? Stuck how?

Because there is no end in site. Without a vaccine the rest of the world will continue to learn to live with it.

Not in NZ. The lockdown hasn't caused major harm, and now the people are living life as normal.

What good will continued lockdowns do? Delay the inevitable. Unless a vaccine is found.

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Give these people masks and let them use them.

Teach these people how to do best personal preventions.

Many many people in Europe and US still refuse to wear masks, and don't follow any simple rule to protect themselves and others.

If after 10 months in a pandemic, you still refuse to follow just some simple rules for protection, then I am sorry, you should not be surprised that cases are increasing.

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People like poster JohnSmith seem to think they know more than the experts and that is exactly why this second wave is going to be worse than the first. Some would rather see millions die than take standard preventative measures.

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In the United States, new cases per day are on the rise in 44 states, with many of the biggest surges in the Midwest and Great Plains, where resistance to masks and other precautions has been running high and the virus has often been seen as just a big-city problem. Deaths per day are climbing in 30 states.

All the while our President tells his flock at his rallies that the virus is "disappearing"....

And they believe him!

Mass hysteria on a scale not seen since Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan....and we know how that turned out.

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Here's a really crazy concept - maybe if people stopped arguing and frothing at the mouth about the recommendations given and actually gave them a go, then perhaps they would not be in the situation again.

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 lockdowns cause more harm than good

NZ did well enough at first but they are effectly stuck now with no way out

Somebody should tell this to the 60,000 rugby fans who will descend on Eden Park this weekend to watch the match between NZ and Australia.

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Europe, US reel as virus infections surge at record pace:

Is it unavoidable?

The anti-masking & anti-lockdown groups are adamant, they want the gloomier economy to be revived at its earliest. However, this is at the expense of human lives, more are dying in many countries daily..

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Survival of the fittest at work. If people are willing to risk their lives over their freedoms, then let them deal with the consequences.

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Not in NZ. The lockdown hasn't caused major harm, and now the people are living life as normal.

You should research before you speak. Lockdown in low death countries kill more than the virus, please research medical websites and not Gossip media.

case is different in Iran, India, Brazil etc.

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