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Evacuations underway in Mariupol

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The evacuation of civilians under the auspices of the UN OCHA differs from the evacuation of civilians that Russia has repeatedly attempted, only to see it disrupted by shelling and other attacks in one important aspect, the Kiev regime and the ultraextremists are being kept in the dark about the details.

Given that it involves moving people through a heavily secured perimeter maintained by the forces of Free Luhansk and Free Donetsk and Russia, the front line units at least know the details in depth (right down to passwords and challenge questions).

Given that it involves moving people through territory controlled by those three forces that are also an active war zone, the commanders of those forces at least know the planned routes and alternatives for the evacuation (they probably were asked to secure them and clear them of boobytraps and mines and unexploded ordnance)

But even the US politicians who would be tempted to tell the Kiev regime and the ultraextremists are NOT being told the details, because even if America's plethora of spy agencies have an agent inside the OCHA, risking the exposure of the agent for a short term INTERNAL propaganda 'win' in support of a blown regime change operation (yes, the creation of a US dependent regime in Kiev was achieved, but control over the strategically important heavy industrial zones of what used to be Ukraine isn't going to be a result, nor is destabilizing Russia, or even getting an increase in 'soft power' through control over the food crops so much of the world relies on) just seems too high a price for too little benefit.

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“We don’t know why they are not taken away and their evacuation to the territory controlled by Ukraine is not being discussed,” 

The evacuation is for women and children only.

Fighters who took up arms and tried to kill other people will be taken as POWs and face military justice if they are mercenaries who kill for money.

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But, but, they are human shields being held against their will by the Azov battalion who have 10,000 members. Surely this evacuation is propaganda by the bias western media. /s

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Ignorant about Ukrainian traitors ,is the reason Ukrainian are reaping what they sowed,that is the prime reason Ukraine is in these mess, people selling out their country for a fist full of Ruble,I measures the supply line from the West in Lviv to East in Kharviv,it 600 miles,and shortage of fuel and not any willingness to attack Belarus and Russia,is a recipe for disaster,only a few will leave,not any Azov,their fate is seal

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Time for NATO to get directly involved; the sideline whining is old now.

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During a Sunday news conference in the Polish city of Rzeszow, Pelosi said she and other members of a U.S. congressional delegation met with Zelenskyy and brought him “a message of appreciation from the American people for his leadership.”

I'm glad Ukraine is getting significant support and acknowledgment by the USA and NATO allies. It's important Ukraine win this war begun by Putin. It's important for democracy worldwide. High fives to Pelosi and others who are visiting Ukraine.

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Bronco,what give Russian a right to detain anybody,that Russian have no legitimate right too occupy

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A maternity hospital was hit with a lethal Russian airstrike in the opening weeks of the war, and about 300 people were reported killed in the bombing of a theater where civilians were taking shelter.

'Maternity hospital' and 'civilians sheltering', I am surprised that the usual Putin propaganda pushers have not challenged the above saying their sources (which they won't reveal) report it was the Azov Batallion that did these. But if it's true that Russian forces diid it, will they crow look how strong and smart Russia is, and then say, plus we have even stronger weapons, including nukes'. Us Americans supporting the Russian invasion, including those accused of crimes in the US, might be able to get asylum in Belarus like their confederate accused of crimes in the Jan. 6th assault on the US capitol.

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But, but, they are human shields

Were human shields.

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Avenger,only insecure people need support, giving people a solution too their problem have a better outcome,at the rate Russian going Kiev will be in rubble like Mariupol,they working on Kharviv,it has half the population of Kiev,the US record of helping others ,help themselves is questionable,with exceptions of Japan

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This is a real propaganda article.

It doesn't matter what side you support or if you view both sides as being complicit in causing this war by their actions over the past 8 years ( this is my view like it or not neither side (government) is innocent).

But this is war this:

. Ukrainian regiment Deputy Commander Sviatoslav Palamar, meanwhile, called for the evacuation of wounded Ukrainian fighters as well as civilians. “We don’t know why they are not taken away and their evacuation to the territory controlled by Ukraine is not being discussed,” 

Shouldn't even be part of the article unless for propaganda purpose.

Russia offered to take all the military as prisoners and treat the wounded as in all past wars, no forces in any previous conflicts would accept letting any enemy soldiers just leave, possible exchange of wounded later is the norm.

Then we have the fact these soldiers said they are going to fight to the death "no surender" so of course they will not accept being taken and treated in Russian medical facilities as prisoners.

And the western news is praising these people which is strange as in every other war the west would have labeled them fantastics and this suicide attitude unacceptable.

But I am guessing the west needs a modern day "remember the Alamo" moment as a rallying cry!

So it will be what? "Remember Azov" or "Remember Azovstal".

We claim to have evolved past these insane things like suicide charges, and suicide battles but here we are making just such a situation into a "Heroes" moment!

If it was the other way around we would be calling the Russian troops held up Fanatics and calling on Putin to do the right thing and order them to surender.

But no one has asked Zelensky to do The right thing and tell these men to live and possibly fight another day by surrendering.

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painkillerToday  07:32 am JST

Time for NATO to get directly involved; the sideline whining is old 

And I hope you like living underground.

The instant all out war between NATO and Russia starts, North Korea will jump at the opportunity to take South Korea Why do you think South Korea has refused to give even a single bullet to Ukraine.

China may just also decide to take what bit wants and between defending Asian allies or European Allies Japan and South Korea are on the losing end!

And if NK goes in to SK bombs will be dropping on us here in Japan.

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It's important for democracy worldwide. 

If that was true then in 2014 they would have waited for the agreed upon new elections and not overthrown the government by force.

And agreement was reached but that was not good enough for the undemocratic forces that used force.

Imagine had cooler head prevailed and a new election held, Crimea, Easter Ukraine, this war may have all be preventable.

Democracy failed back then now we see the results.

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So in the coming days there’ll be a multitude of sources to quote when all these ‘human shields’ tell the media how they were held at gunpoint by brutal nazis.

Oh, no wait a minute. Of course, the media will bury the truth and the civilians will maintain a code of silence for fear of Azov retribution. Something like that I imagine.

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Abreu said U.N. officials would not provide additional details of the evacuation “to guarantee the safety of the civilians and humanitarians in the convoy.”

Any reason the US doesn't get directly involved in this evacuation (other than its current track record).

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BlacklabelToday  08:15 am JST

So next we will hear that the western report on Russian casualties and losses aren't what we have been told!

I mean that cannot be our western news is so unbiased and honest.

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So in the coming days there’ll be a multitude of sources to quote when all these ‘human shields’ tell the media how they were held at gunpoint by brutal nazis.

if lack of media quotes of survivors determines truth, then that music school, the shopping mall, the maternity ward, Snake Island and the nuclear reactor attack didn’t happen either.

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So next we will hear that the western report on Russian casualties and losses aren't what we have been told!

everything reported seems to be 100 of this and 1000 of that and 10,000 of something else. Those aren’t real numbers but manufactured estimates for the narrative.

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"Ukrainian regiment Deputy Commander Sviatoslav Palamar, meanwhile, called for the evacuation of wounded Ukrainian fighters "

And which army does that?!

Allowing the enemy to leave an area under siege (only to fight them again later down the road) used to be a practice in the 17th and 18th Centuries only.

Someone, please remind Sviatoslav Palamar that we are in 2022, not in the 1800s!

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Allowing the enemy to leave an area under siege (only to fight them again later down the road) used to be a practice in the 17th and 18th Centuries only.

Actually this was only done if the soldiers in question gave their "Parole" to not take up arms again. This is where we get the terms on parole. If the person did take up arms again despite giving their word (ma parole is French for my word) and they were captured again, they would be executed and not given the POW status.

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Majority of Ukrainain and Russian are ethnic Slavic , Japanese is not a race ,but classified as ethnic Asian

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I know a lot of Americans who didn't support Putin, only to change sides when Trump got into power.

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Time for NATO to get directly involved; the sideline whining is old now.

You want NATO to attack Russian forces directly?

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I can understand about half of the various arguments above.

Poor English, poor punctuation and/or poor editing make the remainder too confusing to follow. I genuinely tried to follow everyone. What are you trying to say? Keep it simple, please!

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Hopefully Putin ends up using the May 9 'Victory Day' celebrations to declare a wider war against the rest Europe, as British intelligence is warning. NATO will finally be unrestrained to roll the tanks all the way to Moscow and overthrow the deranged little beady-eyed monster.

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Iam glad to see some commenters have started to see through the obvious disinformation reports.

It is a truly senseless conflict.

Seems like the UK and USA is bound and determined to go to war with Russia and drag everyone else into it.

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With plenty of firepower still in reserve, Russia’s offensive still could intensify and overrun the Ukrainians. Overall the Russian army has an estimated 900,000 active-duty personnel. Russia also has a much larger air force and navy.

Don't forget to bring extra body bags and make sure your soldiers keep a dog-tag for ID :P

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It's about time the Ukrainian forces holed up in the steelworks allow the civilians to leave. Absolute shameful that the west is letting this war drag on, using civilians as collateral damage. Russia has offered talks and negotiations time and time again but the small man (at the direction of USA) has rejected them everytime. How does he benefit from letting civilians die? He's already got UK citizenship although I don't see why it was necessary considering he's got a 31 million dollar villa in Florida and god knows how much in offshore bank accounts. Britain needs Ukrainian oligarchs after it got rid of the Russian ones. Who else is going to bring money to UK.

Oh, and I see Nancy Pelosi has 'recovered' from covid. Does this mean the Taiwan trip is back on, or is she banking on everyone having forgotten about that? This woman, like most US politicians, doesn't give a cr*p about anyone's lives (least of all ordinary US citizens), just as long as their wallets get fatter and the money comes rolling in. Dems and Reps are all the same.

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The actions that Russia's military has taken should be a severe alarm to anyone. They have been seen raping, pillaging, plundering, and murdering. They have no qualms about war crimes and collateral damage.

I found it interesting that Russian soldiers are so bad they have been tracked stealing a lot of John Deere farming equipment from a dealership and local farmers in Ukraine (which has GPS tracking) and tried to send the stolen equipment back to Russia. Unfortunately for them, because farming equipment needs a lot of satellite tracking and visual aids to properly work farming fields and cover all the land, the manufacturer was able to shut down as much equipment as possible and track it down' to its last known location as well as taking photos as well. They have also been stealing stored silo crops as well.

Ukraine: Farm equipment stolen by Russians remotely disabled | CTV News

These guys are so low. Like dirt.

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Don't forget to bring extra body bags and make sure your soldiers keep a dog-tag for ID :P

For the next fictitious number of supposed Russian casualties like the 40 Russian pilots shot down by the “Ghost of Kyiv” which never happened!

https://nypost.com/2022/05/01/heroic-ghost-of-kyiv-fighter-doesnt-actually-exist-ukraine-admits/

This is war and the western news and countries support Ukraine, so remember 90% of what is said and written at first by these governments and news outlets will be propaganda.

The real facts will come out later.

Oh and no Russian sources are not reliable either.

Right now all sides are pushing propaganda.

Oddly enough I found Indian news outlets to be far more reliable as giving both sides usually pointing out that nothing has been confirmed and the information is one sided one way or another.

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Those aren’t real numbers but manufactured estimates for the narrative.

The only one we can trust for truth is Putin, the man who shuts down news outlets that don’t toe the party line. Everyone else is a liar. Makes perfect sense.

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The only one we can trust for truth is Putin, the man who shuts down news outlets that don’t toe the party line. Everyone else is a liar. Makes perfect sense.

Yes he did, and Ukraine has done the same including arresting the opposition, shutting down political rivals, etc .. but I know "they have the right reasons".

Imagine if the Democrats had the same reaction after January 6 and shut down and arrested the Republicans.

But hey what are fact worth when propaganda is available.

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But hey what are fact worth when propaganda is available.

Yep, the real truth is that Russiyis not invading Ukraine but only staging a “special military operation” to rid the country of Nazis. And all those bombed-out apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals? The Ukrainians did it to themselves. All facts seem to support this.

s/

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Were human shields.

Is the above an opinion pushing a narrative? Or are there sources that those like me who don't trust anonymous poster's opinions, can use to verify the statement/opinion? My Searches have nor found that humans used as shields have been killed by either side. But I do not use Russian/Chinese search engines, and if the alt right have their own, I don't know what they might be called.

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But I do not use Russian/Chinese search engines, and if the alt right have their own, I don't know what they might be called.

so the only sources that could possibly prove your point of view as incorrect would just have to be Russian/Chinese narratives pushed by the "alt right"?

there are no other options, for example that you are just misinformed or just naturally unaware of something?

Are you even aware that Ukraine has responded by claiming, with no evidence, that Russia are placing Ukranian children on the front of their tanks? is that the alt right too?

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@HonestDictator

The actions that Russia's military has taken should be a severe alarm to anyone. They have been seen raping, pillaging, plundering, and murdering

Somebody watched too much Ukropropaganda. Some guys are unwilling to learn from fakes such as "dead heroes of the Snake Island" (actually all alive and well as POWs, surrendered without a fight), “Ghost of Kyiv” (a fictional fighter pilot who "downed Russian planes by dozens", unfortunately even the Ukro Air Force admitted it is a propaganda hoax). Actually the Russian military is no less disciplined than any Western army.

Farm equipment stolen by Russians remotely disabled | CTV News

Any other sources of this great story, no? ICTV is a Ukropropaganda outlet, reliable as Goebbels' broadcasts during WWII.

@plasticmonkey

And all those bombed-out apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals? The Ukrainians did it to themselves

Yeah, "they did it to themselves" giggled the soldiers of the Ukrainian regime after shelling the cities of Donbass since 2014. By the way, the forces that now liberated Mariupol (a part of Donbass) are mainly from the Donbass area. Technically speaking, they are Ukrainians.

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It will be interesting to see how many of the evacuated actually travel to Kiev regime controlled territory and how many prefer places where the SBU and ultraextremists aren't hunting dissidents and 'disloyalists'.

It won't be as obvious as when the DAESH and ISIS fighters were evacuated from their 'last strongholds' in Aleppo and Damascus etc and the propaganda that the civilians in those 'strongholds' considered them protectors was exposed as the propaganda it was, but the evidence will be available.

Just probably not on JT.

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Anyway, it’s already the war with the most massive and stupidest propaganda from both sides ever. The involved are obviously all very very sick in their brains. If they don’t both regain consciousness soon, maybe China and the NATO together should calm down both of those idiots on the Eurasian plate which would also be in the timely interest and benefits of all other people on that planet.

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but the evidence will be available. 

Just probably not on JT.

Maybe you’ll be so kind as to share a link when it’s ready. Will we need to use to DuckDuckGo?

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yes, the Ukranians are so media protected that they invited the Associated Press along. as armed soldiers went door to door hunting their own citizens who posted things the regime didnt like on the internet.

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As many as 100,000 people are believed to still be in blockaded Mariupol

No, Matriupol is no more blocaded

2,000 Ukrainian fighters beneath the Soviet-era steel plant

It is so

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Russia the bully.

Russia the murderer.

Russia the despised.

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So they have 3 options: surrender and get killed on the spot, surrender and be deported to some Gulag with no chance to survive, option number 3: keep your arms and try to escape. Now, which option would you choose?

Sorry - there mainly good guys from Azov regiment.

They have no great choice it's truth.

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