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In France, it's Macron vs Le Pen, again, for presidency

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By JOHN LEICESTER and THOMAS ADAMSON

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Go Le Pen! She's not perfect, but is far better for France than the smarmy bankers' marionette Macron.

-3 ( +25 / -28 )

Go Macron ! She’s xenophobic, racist, friendly with Putin. He’s…a stronger Europe against that so-called War criminal Putin.

1 ( +23 / -22 )

An elitist right-winger against a populist right-winger. Not much of a choice is it? Do the political left stay home and watch Le Netflix or vote for the one they despise the least, in the hope that the other loses?

-2 ( +10 / -12 )

So Macaroon v LePain, what a choice! It pretty much guarantees Macaroon winning as all but the far right will hold their noses and vote for him just to make sure she doesn’t win, again. And so the French are lumbered with a disastrous president the majority don’t want!

-2 ( +11 / -13 )

So Macaroon v LePain, what a choice! It pretty much guarantees Macaroon winning as all but the far right will hold their noses and vote for him just to make sure she doesn’t win, again. And so the French are lumbered with a disastrous president the majority don’t want

Pretty much although I still think the French system is better than most. The first round does give you a choice of a variety of candidates.

I think Chirac gave Le Pen’s father an absolute hiding and Macron has thrashed this one once before. Odds in Macron’s favour but sounds like the majority of the French aren’t too fired up about a choice between these two.

2 ( +9 / -7 )

Some of the party animals (not the candidates themselves, mind you), have already started to point fingers at French voters for their apparent apathy, suspectability to foreign manipulation, and broad public misunderstandings / ignorance of a host of pressing French, European and international issues. Blaming voters for any one particular outcome seems to be a growing - and disturbing - popular indoor sport among politicos lately.

This is wrong-headed thinking. Look not at voter behavior and cognition as the source for your party's dissatisfaction, but instead look at your own party's failures, weaknesses and shortcomings.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Officalspeak for Macron, “merde” !

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

France , right wing candidates? Are you kidding? France is something now only depicted on old postcards or bottled into some delicious vintage wines. What you probably mean is an election for the president in an area of same size and borders that once was a country called France and with a whatever numerical outcome of no real significance anymore.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

Hopefully these right wing lunatics will go down to a stunning defeat - both in France and here in the USA. All they have to attract support is fear - they scare people by saying that ***** people are coming to take their stuff.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

Is far-right nationalist Marine Le Pen fundamentally a xenophobic, anti-Muslim, anti-immigration menace? Emmanuel Macron certainly thinks so.

Marine Le Pen, for several months has been avidly campaigning up and down provincial France, detoxifying her political brand. Some would suggest successfully closing a 12-point gap within sniffing distance of Macron impersonal stand-offish manner.

French election 2022: full live results

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2022/apr/10/french-election-2022-projected-result-and-latest-results

The polling average shows Macron ahead by just 3.5 points

Le Pen has been relentlessly pushing a progressive economic policy, pledging retirement at 60, financial help for low-income families, promises to counter the effect of higher childbirth rates among immigrants by restricting the most generous aid to French couples who have three or more children, more government intervention/investment in jobs and social housing….

Le Pen…

'The French people have spoken, and do me the honour of qualifying to take on the outgoing president.'

'I see hope there – the hope that the forces of recovery in this country are rising.

'The French people clearly wanted to make a fundamental choice between two opposite visions of the future: one of division, injustice and disorder imposed by Emmanuel Macron for the benefit of a few, the other a rallying together of French people around social justice and protection.'

'On your vote depends the place in our society that we want to give to people facing the power of money.

'On your vote depends the political decisions of the next five-year term but which will commit France for the next fifty years.

'I intend, without delay, to sew back the tears that a ripped-apart France suffers from.'

These two weeks will be a gloves off, head-to-head campaign that will bitter and bloody.

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Go Macron ! She’s xenophobic, racist, friendly with Putin. He’s…a stronger Europe against that so-called War criminal Putin.

Very well said! Hear! Hear!

-3 ( +8 / -11 )

Neither was my first choice by a mile. Was really hoping Melenchon would pull out, he was very close too. Would be an entirely different election if that had been the case.

Instead a choice between a right-winger and a liberal, which is...an underwhelming choice to be sure. While neither candidate is good persay, I honestly can't say which would be worse.

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

In many countries, elections have somehow become meaningless and farcical.

If less than 60% of the eligible voters caste their votes, the election should be considered null and void.

For it is no more democratic, the minority could end up running the government, defeating the true objectives of democracy..

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*Hopefully these right wing lunatics will go down to a stunning defeat - both in France and here in the USA. All they have to attract support is fear - they scare people by saying that **** people are coming to take their stuff

They're not going away and if these people are that bad then why are the polls so close? Clearly there are millions that support these people otherwise they wouldn’t be so close and in striking distance. Most of these people are angry that their political leaders have sold the nation down the drain, saturated them with liberal policies that haven’t worked and allowed mass migrations of foreigners, predominantly low skilled ones and the people have had enough, that’s clearly evident by looking at many of these elections globally

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Having no real doubt that this time Macron will win again against Le Pen albeit with a much narrower margin, the real elephant in the room will be the next election (2027).

Why? Let's look at the current figures and place in the race.

Because:

.Macron (1st place) can not run for a third term,

.Melenchon (3rd place) the radical left guy (age 70) has already said that this would be his last election,

.Zemmour (4th place muuuuuuch behind) the far-right TV guy has completely fizzled out

.at 5th place the traditional conservative party (laid by Pecresse) as well as at an abysmal 10th place the traditional left (laid by Hidalgo) are not even likely to have their campaign expenses reimbursed with such results...

The question being then, WHO would be standing against Le Pen (2nd place) in 2027...??? Unless Macron or Melenchon do come up with somebody to take over shop by then, Le Pen may well win...by lack of serious opponents...

While I remain viscerally opposed to the far-right (and have a skin far too thin for the far-left), having seen France hit the dance floor with the far-right for pretty much the last 50 years I am starting to think that maybe if France effectively ended up at one point with Le Pen and would then forcibly have to go through what everybody expects to be nothing short of a train wreck of a presidential term, then maybe, contrary to the US, the far-right genie could be put once and for all back in its bottle...

Anyway, less the present than the future looks worrisome for France...

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Macron have to go.

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

Le Pen will hammer down on Macrons lack of empathy, sighting the gilets jaunes (yellow vests) anti-government protests.

Le Pen has fervently, politically positioned herself as a “defender of the little ones

Denouncing Macron as a the “President of the rich

Directly targeting Melechon’s left-wing power base.

I wonder who is advising Le Pen, polishing her image, the campaign has focused on a social justice platform theme.

Le Pen is an astute experienced politician.

However, her campaigning strategy, the feel, exhibits confidence from a professional social media/networks modeling, not displayed in Le Pens 2017 run for the Presidency.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

I would like to see Le Pen win, but we all know deep down this isn’t going to happen.

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

Macron distastefully used the Ukraine war to gain back his popularity.

He shall lose!

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

Macron should theoretically succeed in the 2nd vote.

If Melechon support/votes pass directly to Macron.

Macron is carrying more smelly political baggage that 2017.

Although I believe Le Pen, will struggle to convince the electorate she is electable.

Le Pens well crafted campaign is impressive.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

I believe this election second round, could be decisive on how voter behaviour/candidate choice is affected through the first-round baseline “abstention” rate.

Simply, these absent first round voters, some 15% to 19% could well swing in either direction.

I am a feckless gambler; this is very close.

A flutter on how close Le Pen get to the prise is tempting

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Never thought Le Pen could ever win but her chances are greater now than any time in the past.

Might be a good thing for France actually

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Let's all get behind the woman candidate. What a progressive move and would be a great example for all the young girls growing up. Wasn't that the line Clinton was peddling a while ago?

Seriously though it's the same run off as last time, last time macaroon was chosen and I hope the french people look long and hard about what's happened to their country in the last 4 years.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

We can only hope beta-male Macron will be voted out.

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

A flutter on how close Le Pen get to the prise is tempting

I like a bet myself. I didn’t see any odds on actual votes gained etc. I only saw the outright.

Macron to win is heavy odds-on.

Those confident that Le Pen will win should put their money with their mouths are. Very good odds.

You could clean up.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Jimizo, Macron is indeed odds on favorite. It would be unwise to bet against.

Le Pen could get close. How close that the pinch.

I have an account that has a much more open spread. But the stake is high. Plus I promised Dad I would refrain from my degenerate gambling habit.

Le Pen closed a 12 point gap.

That is a big ask.

Makes me wonder how?

Le Pen has still pretty toxic views. Not mainstream by any account.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

If Le Penn wins, and I’m a Muslim, time to move to Germany or Sweden. If Macron wins, time to move away from city centers to avoid police firing tear gas and rubber bullets at yellow vests.

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

Macron, a 44-year-old political centrist, won by a landslide five years ago but he is bracing for a far tougher second round against his 53-year-old political nemesis. 

JimizoToday  01:20 pm JST

Macron to win is heavy odds-on.

What are those heavy odds?

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

painkiller...

Macron 2/5. a probability of 71.4%.....

5 ( +5 / -0 )

I hope Macron wins. Not a fan of his by any means but the last thing France and EU needs is an extreme right wing nut getting into office by pretending to be less extreme and they destroying alliances from the inside.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

When elites don't do well in elections, suddenly democracy doesn't work.

Gotta love hypocritical liberals.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

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