Huawei executive Meng attends bail hearing as Canada mulls U.S. extradition

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Saturday fired his ambassador to China, who had said Meng could make a strong argument against being sent to the United States.

Wow!! I completely missed that in the last few days!!

Anyway, now that the U.S. has formally indicted Huawei and Meng, it is going to be very interesting to see how Canada handles this case.

If I were Canadian, I would not want to be in China or going to China.

China must respect the laws of other nations as it expects them to respect China's "fake laws".

The fact China is NOT bothering to honor the justice system of two western countries cries out of racism. Chinese citizens are not entitled to special treatment above others. They must alow the laws of both nations to come to their conclusions before any outrage or objections. They can hire lawyers to assist Meng and ensure she is treated fairly as the legal system allows in these two countries, unlike in China where the state rules the judiciary and people have no rights unless the "party" bestows them.

As for Canada standing up to China, bravo! Countries can not allow China to pressure them into giving up their laws, freedoms and way of life for fear of upsetting China. China can accept whats going on and see where it goes, or it can act out as it has, as a school yard brat.

Fu,

Meng’s lawyer David Martin applied to alter her sureties, who contributed to Meng’s $10 million bail. It was noted one surety wanted to be released while another, Meng's realtor Robert Cheng, required more cash to compensate for the old surety but also because of a decline in property value to Cheng’s home. Meng was arrested on December 1, 2018, and released on bail on December 11, 2018.

Two Canadians, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, detained by China in retaliatory arrests on December 10, 2018 continue to be by China and are not free on bail as Meng is. The two men are being held on vague allegations of “engaging in activities that endanger the national security” of China. They reportedly face up to four hours of questioning each day and have no access to a lawyer, according to Canada's top diplomat in Beijing. Kovrig and Spavor have limited extremely limited access to consular officials. Kovrig reportedly has met with consular officers just twice since being detained by the Chinese government on December 10, 2018. There is no indication that either man has appeared in court, nor is there any indication when they will. It should be noted that China is infamous for its closed courts and the lack of independence of its judiciary.

Who is responsible for her bail now? I thought it was some of her real estate before.

Who it is now would help understand how much of a flight risk she is.

We know she can get extra passports. She had 13 when arrested.

We know she knows something about GPS tracking and technology, so the ankle bracelet she wears could be snapped off.

We know she has friends inside the Chinese govt - just look at the headlines the last 6 weeks. A Chinese govt jet could easily sneak her out of Canada, if she got to it.

@Aly Rustom,

But Canada needs to get out of the spotlight ASAP.

Yeah, Canada sort of got caught in the middle of this.

And its not like Trudeau and Trump like each other!!

We know she has friends inside the Chinese govt - just look at the headlines the last 6 weeks. A Chinese govt jet could easily sneak her out of Canada, if she got to it.

That actually sounds like a best-option scenario for Canada. Meng is a poison for Canada. Her escape would remove the necessity for Canada to take a position on the matter.

She's out on bail and has a public hearing

That's already more than what happens in other countries

Okay, people, listen up to a Canadian with enough political and other experience to throw in my two cents worth (US$0.017).

Not even our Foreign Minister (meaning Cabinet) says we back the extradition. As the Minister said, Meng "has been afforded access to Canada's impartial and objective judicial system." Just a thought, Japan-related so as to stay with JT: Japan's entire justice system needs to take a lesson from ours.

On December 11, only a few days after her arrest, Meng was released on bail that she and supporters could easily afford. But she couldn't run.

Today, in Canada, we received the unsealed charges against Meng from the US. According to our extradition treaty with the US, we have 30 days to have it proven in court that those charges are legitimate enough for her extradition.

And here's the biggest thing about the whole game: she's in British Columbia, and if you want to know anything about Canada's judicial system regarding human rights, BC is your best place to start. Already, my fellow British Columbian judge, who first ruled on this case, and will when it comes to Meng's next appearance in court, has already decided that Meng's next appearance in court willo be several days after that 30-day federal legislation period's diktat.

Canada is a great country,

Totally agree, but negotiating with a ruthless dictatorship like China will not be easy.

Totally agree, but negotiating with a ruthless dictatorship like China will not be easy.

Luckily there is "nothing" to negotiate with China on, about this issue.

This is an issue of law that involves a Chinese citizen. The law will run its course in both Canada and the US and there is nothing China can do to stop it. All China is doing is making itself look even worse than it normally does.

China talks of respecting the rights and freedoms of Weng when in China the people have no such rights, as the single party state takes people off the streets and "reeducates and tortures" those who speak out against the party, let alone commit an actual crime.

This so called arrest is rather unique as she is staying at her family residence, compare this to the condition of the arrested Canadians. Canada should now get real about this arrest and move her to a correctional facility similar the once provided to the arrested Canadians.. this will get the Chinese attention to work to resolve the big picture issue.

As an American, I must say to China 'game on'. Being the totalitarian bully that they are, when someone stands up to China, they cry like a baby. Say what you will about America being a bully, I guarantee you that there will always be a sizable portion of Americans who will disagree with American bullying AND VOICE that disagreement with the U.S. government about it. In China, the majority of folks either (a) don't care as long as they see economic growth (b) don't know any better since they cannot know any better due to the government censorship of pretty much anything (c) don't care since China is #1 at everything and has never done anything wrong ever and if they did it's 'because the West/Japan did it to us first' or (d) disagree but are too afraid to voice their opinions.

What the breakdown of (a), (b), (c) or (d) is, I have no idea since it might be 90% (d) but I wouldn't/couldn't hear it anyway!

Just look at that photo. Shocking how much better criminal defendants are treated in Canada and the US than China and Japan.

Agree 100%

Personally, I think they should just extradite her to the US as soon as possible. Let the US and China duke it out. 

LOL yeah, like giving her to the US rids Canada of any responsibility. That act alone will very well mean Canada would still be in the fray. Use your head for a moment.

LOL yeah, like giving her to the US rids Canada of any responsibility.

It will.

That act alone will very well mean Canada would still be in the fray.

How so?

LOL yeah, like giving her to the US rids Canada of any responsibility. That act alone will very well mean Canada would still be in the fray. Use your head for a moment.

Ok. Let's see. They can keep her in Canada, which means pressure will mount on Canada from China to let her leave and from the US to extradite her.

Or they can let her go, which means that Canada will be violating its extradition agreement with the US which will cause all sorts of legal problems not to mention diplomatic problems with the US.

Or they can simply obey the rule of law and extradite her as soon as possible.

Use your head for a moment.

Pot calling kettle

Ok. Let's see. They can keep her in Canada, which means pressure will mount on Canada from China to let her leave and from the US to extradite her.

China's pressure on Canada will only increase if they indeed extradite her to the US. The fact that you don't think this is obvious is the issue here. They already arrested Canadians in China, and put one, so far, on death row.

China's pressure on Canada will only increase if they indeed extradite her to the US.

That's stupid. If she's not in Canada they can't possibly exert pressure on Canada. Exert pressure on Canada to do what exactly. That makes absolutely no sense.

The fact that you don't think this is obvious is the issue here.

The idea that they will exert MORE pressure on Canada once she is no longer in Canadian jurisdiction is insane.

They already arrested Canadians in China, and put one, so far, on death row.

So how does extraditing her to the US increase pressure on Canada? Explain that one.

@goodlucktoyou--that is some scrumptious sounding food (""gently fried"!), but be wary of sanctions if you are trading those ingredients by the shipload and your company needs to ask banks to support the business. On a small scale, three takeout boxes worth of food will not get you in hot water, so enjoy the lunch.

Peter14

Excellent excellent post! agree 100%!

@goodluck--if you were actually locked up in Japan for violating sanctions over foodstuffs, you could point out how exemptions are used to allow the continued trade in oil for example. Come up with a "I was under the impression that Country A's exemptions applied to all products" type of plea. Not very believable, but hey.

China talks of respecting the rights and freedoms of Weng when in China the people have no such rights, as the single party state takes people off the streets and "reeducates and tortures" those who speak out against the party, let alone commit an actual crime.

Not to mention the unlawful detention of foreigners literally as hostages for a political purpose..

This so called arrest is rather unique as she is staying at her family residence, compare this to the condition of the arrested Canadians. Canada should now get real about this arrest and move her to a correctional facility similar the once provided to the arrested Canadians.. this will get the Chinese attention to work to resolve the big picture issue.

excellent idea! although I can't see Canada even attempting to stoop to China's disgusting level

Personally, I think they should just extradite her to the US as soon as possible. Let the US and China duke it out. Both the Chinese and Trump are arrogant and beligerent bullies. Let them take on each other. But Canada needs to get out of the spotlight ASAP.

A Chinese govt jet could easily sneak her out of Canada, if she got to it.

That is probably the last thing Huawei wants, to be seen as closely allied with the Chinese government.

Canada is stuck in the middle and there is no easy way out, either way.

so if i buy Fesenjoon (Chicken poached in a rich creamy sauce of ground walnuts and pomegranate molasses) or Mirzeh Ghasemi(Smokey roast aubergines, gently fried with tomatoes, garlic and eggs) or Shirin Polo (Steamed rice jewelled with carrots, orange peel, pistachios and saffron) imported from Iran, will the Japanese govt lock me up in prison and deport me to America is face american unilateral laws?

Yeah, Canada sort of got caught in the middle of this.

> And its not like Trudeau and Trump like each other!!

An EXCELLENT point!