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Hundreds of thousands dressed in black rally to demand Hong Kong leader step down

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These people are fighting for the future of fundamental freedoms in a totalitarian world. They are prepared to die for that ... 

Let us hope that China, the all powerful, now has another crack in its wall, that the news spreads through the country ... and that we, in West continue to not bend under pressure so that all of Asia can see the threat reduced. 

The USSR was forced, little by little to lose its stranglehold on the people of Eastern Europe, sanctions, tariffs ... whatever is needed must be used to diminish the power that is and allow the people to be free and the nation stop being a threat to all of Asia.

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Well done to all the youth in Hong Kong. Oust that Communist-sympathiser Carrie Lam, and demand permanent democracy. The free world is right beside you!

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The free world is right beside you!

No, it is not.

You of all people should know that the ‘free world’ will not interfere in this. Australia is a perfect example of a country with too much to lose by opposing China in any meaningful way.

The future for Hong Kong looks bleak.

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The USSR was forced, little by little to lose its stranglehold on the people of Eastern Europe

The difference between the post-Krushchev USSR and Xi's China is that the Soviet Union was in economic and military decline, whereas China is in the economic and military ascendant.

You have to worry for these young activists in China. Carrie Lam may go, but China's hard men aren't going to be so easy to get rid of.

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The future for Hong Kong looks bleak.

Let us not be negative. The free world was behind the East Germans being oppressed by communists until 1987, when Reagan demanded to the Communist Soviets "Tear down that wall" in 1987. They said the Berlin wall would last 1000 years in East Germany. It was torn down 2 years later and Communism gone from Germany forever. Freedom-loving people and nations wish the same for Hong Kong, and everywhere Communism is oppressing citizens.

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The future for Hong Kong looks bleak.

Let us not be negative. The free world was behind the East Germans being oppressed by communists until 1987, when Reagan demanded to the Communist Soviets "Tear down that wall" in 1987. They said the Berlin wall would last 1000 years in East Germany. It was torn down 2 years later and Communism gone from Germany forever. Freedom-loving people and nations wish the same for Hong Kong, and everywhere Communism is oppressing citizens.

Wishing the same and doing something towards achieving the same are different.

Look at Australia. I love your country but its economic reliance on China is something which much be factored in. Do you protest against your country’s ties with China?

What do you think ‘freedom-loving’ nations should do here? Have a few lower ranking politicians tweet out a few messages of support or do you want to see something more confrontational?

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I hope someone will nominate the people of Hong Kong for this year's Nobel Peace Prize. The Beijing bullies need to be taught a long-overdue lesson and shamed by having the Nobel shoved in their brazen mugs.

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@ U.S. reamer - brilliantly argued. Thumb up to you. If Obama can get the Nobel Prize, then so can the youth of HK. Standing up to communist bullies and for freedom.

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The USSR was forced, little by little to lose its stranglehold on the people of Eastern Europe, sanctions, tariffs ... whatever is needed must be used to diminish the power that is and allow the people to be free and the nation stop being a threat to all of Asia.

First of all, that was Eastern bloc, not eastern Europe. Second of all, i have never heard of any US tariffs and sanctions on the Soviet Union to begin with. The Soviet union was communist. The Eastern bloc countries and the Soviet union people were not allowed to leave for non-Soviet countries, they were also not allowed to export or trade with non-Soviet countries. The eastern bloc countries were exporting to Russia, in Russia every industry was micromanaged by the State. During that time, the countries that were trading with the Soviets were not allowed to trade with America, and vice versa. So that means tariffs or sanctions would've had no effect at all. What brought the Soviets down is their own inefficient system. Do i have to explain why communism and central planing does not work? The US didn't even have to do anything, they just waited for the Soviet Union to collapse on itself. The US used to spend about 3 percent on military, wheres the Soviets spent over 30% for the same period.

Also, according to various surveys, most people in the world see America as the biggest thread to World Peace, not China. It is the US interventions and provocations that is destabilizing the world. China is very much a pro status quo country, because they benefit from the international institutions. China does not interfere with foreign countries, nor does it impose their will on them, America does. Hong Kong is a different story, because they are part of China, they are not a foreign country. The whole hysteria about the extradition bill is massively exaggerated. There are currently no extradition laws in place, and the purpose of this bill was to allow that Hong Kong murderer who killed the Taiwanese woman to be extradited to the mainland. Many Hong Kong scholars have said they see no problem with the bill.

Ultimately, Hong Kong is a Chinese city. You may not like how the central government is running their own country, but that's their country, and not yours. I am sure Chinese people don't like how the American federal government is treating Detroit or Puerto Rico, but it's non of their business, so they don't say anything.

I am not saying i agree with the Chinese system, but it's their country, they can do whatever they want, it's not your business to interfere with them unless you want them to interfere with your country. Also, don't forget that not everybody in Hong Kong is against China. The US media reported that 1 million people were demonstrating, but the Hong Kong media reported that there were no more than 250,000 people citing policeman on the ground.

If you want to be a positive change in the world focus on being a good role model others would want to imitate. The power of example is much stronger than the power of forceful regime change or interference. Good leaders lead by example, which is ironically what China is doing.

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@Ganbare Japan!

If Obama can get the Nobel Prize, then so can the youth of HK. Standing up to communist bullies and for freedom.

What is the correlation between former Pres. Obama and the HK protesters? Logical fallacy!

What about all the other protesters that came before the HK group? See, it don't make sense!

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People Power! C'mon Hong Kong! Stand up for what you believe your destiny should be!

The Right To Self-Determination.

Keep fighting while you still can!

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Watching "Hong Kong" live stream ... People shouting "Lam Out" ... The place is packed with people but ambulance's can get through with ease ...

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IloveCoffee

Ummmm - Wrong = The Soviet Union continuously ran a trade deficit with the United States in the 1970s and early 1980s, but from 1985 through 1987 the Soviet Union cut imports from the United States while maintaining its level of exports to balance tradebetween the two countries. The Soviet Union was one the big importers of grain from the United States.

Keep on beating the CCP drum

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Her mission as chief executive, she said, was to

defend Hong Kong’s cherished “one country, two systems” principal and that she would serve “as a bridge” between Hong Kong and the mainland.

HKG should look towards Singapore and work towards becoming their own city-state. The alternative is to become like Tibet or Xinjiang. Nobody wants that.

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Critics say the planned extradition law could threaten Hong Kong's rule of law and its international reputation as an Asian financial hub. Some Hong Kong tycoons have already started moving personal wealth offshore.

Activist investor David Webb, in a newsletter on Sunday, said if Lam was a stock he would recommend shorting her with a target price of zero.

"Call it the Carrie trade. She has irrevocably lost the public's trust," Webb said.

"Her minders in Beijing, while expressing public support for now, have clearly lined her up for the chop by distancing themselves from the proposal in recent days."

As Red Dragon's (China) fist overshadows, more and more big time smart money players (billionaires) are withdrawing out of Hong Kong. I have been greatly following the big money outflows with this current situation.

As a full time personal, private institutional technical intrinsic value-based trader as well as a macro fundamental investor who trades/invests my own money of 8-9 figure USD voluminous transactions through FOREX spot & futures, options, bonds, stock indexes, ETFs, commodities, precious metals, cryptocurrencies and real estate, MORE AND MORE incalculable prefigurations of the unraveling financial exodus to desist from the anticipated totalitarian reactive moves by the limitless term Chairman Xi.

Confirmed multiple growing reports can be seen a lion's share financial moves out of Hong Kong as smart money tycoons foresee the imminent shadow of Red Dragon's wrath approaching in.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-extradition-capitalflight-ex/exclusive-hong-kong-tycoons-start-moving-assets-offshore-as-fears-rise-over-new-extradition-law-idUSKCN1TF1DZ

With this massive scale of financial wealth and investment shifts, I'm predicting that Tokyo as well Singapore will be the dominant benefactors. Historically the investing class, 99% of the time is a good leading indicator to get a good grasped what's really happening in the bigger picture. One does not have to be a guru in geopolitics to realize what in store in the near term. The magic to it is to unobtrusively reposition assets in order to prevent getting caught from the impulsive emotional rush to the exits as dumb money and "too late to the party" participants often do.

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Shows that people power can work. Now we need all people of all nations to start exercising their people power. Stop global warmongering and global world dictatorship. People, start taking control of your elected government, there I more to life that OIL.

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Hong Kong people amaze me.

Massive peaceful march again with big Beijing watching it closely.

If only people living in full democracy could realise the chance they have and cherish it instead of trying to destroy it.

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It is the US interventions and provocations that is destabilizing the world.

The Chinese debt trap is doing the same.

China does not interfere with foreign countries, nor does it impose their will on them

It does, just look at what is did in Tibet, now subtly trying to do the same in Nepal.

Good leaders lead by example, which is ironically what China is doing.

Well its a communist dictatorship and they lead by examples like the Tiananmen Square massacre, Xinjiang concentration camps.

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having her step down is not enough, HongKong must demand independence

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Critics say the planned extradition law could threaten Hong Kong's rule of law and its international reputation as an Asian financial hub. Some Hong Kong tycoons have already started moving personal wealth offshore.

Activist investor David Webb, in a newsletter on Sunday, said if Lam was a stock he would recommend shorting her with a target price of zero.

"Call it the Carrie trade. She has irrevocably lost the public's trust," Webb said.

"Her minders in Beijing, while expressing public support for now, have clearly lined her up for the chop by distancing themselves from the proposal in recent days."

Good times in Hong Kong are slowly pointing towards the rear view mirror. The panda's mask turns into a fierce Red Dragon that has a natural tendency to get emotional with ridiculously excessive, totalitarian overblown dispositions (nuancely cast asunder of course) and in addition to Trump's geopolitical trade squeeze upon them, this will not end well for Beijing. It will mean a compressing and superincumbent Red Dragon will soon step in to obstruct the escape pathways.

The nature of the Red Dragon is executing to what the Red Dragon does. Hence the initial phase commences when corporate commitments, principally multinationals, realize at its nitty gritty China is a communist controlled-market, state-managed, system.

The reagency from Beijing is inordinately foreseeable; and begets a descending spiral. If any corporation is recognized as engaging against the interest of the nation, then the nation will seize control of the corporate involvement. What western business commitments would want to get involved within China when that corporeality is the prospect of every economic determining accord?

The golden arrow in Trump's economic palpitation is the eagerness of the Red Dragon to self-immolate. The ineptitudeness of China to transfigure itself situated on postliminary economic causatum is the hereditary vulnerability. Superimpose that shortcoming with the zero-sum point of view and this is what you get the Chinese goverment mouthpiece media:

…“If the US wants to negotiate, our door is open. If you want to fight, we will fight to the end.”…

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3012675/beijing-blacklist-unreliable-foreign-entities-hurt-interests

Now go dig deeper about the logic in the statement. In reality, put it this way: let's work together but only if you comply to our terms, but if you don't we will self destruct. Folks this is the economic actuality of the Red Dragon's zero-sum psychology.

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Demand a leader step down ? Where is the democracy ?

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Critics say the planned extradition law could threaten Hong Kong's rule of law and its international reputation as an Asian financial hub. Some Hong Kong tycoons have already started moving personal wealth offshore.

Activist investor David Webb, in a newsletter on Sunday, said if Lam was a stock he would recommend shorting her with a target price of zero.

"Call it the Carrie trade. She has irrevocably lost the public's trust," Webb said.

"Her minders in Beijing, while expressing public support for now, have clearly lined her up for the chop by distancing themselves from the proposal in recent days."

China's ineluctable position is pretty much determined due to the fact the Chinese way of thinking does not have political nor cultural sphere between war/peace. Historically the country is built on foundation based on 2 points of oppugnancy. Red Dragon views war/peace exist side-by-side.

Chinese undertaking originates from a belief that ying/yang forces may absolutely correspondent, intertwined, and intermutual in the natural world, and they may ascend to one of the other as they consociate to one another. Nevertheless, it absolutely must benefit the Red Dragon.

Trump is strategically implementing Xi's own taste of his medicine with the "them vs us approach" toward encountering unlimited term Chairman Xi. The supply chain investment the China requires to manitain itself is now being measured by uncontrollable fundamentals outside of Beijing. China then counters by disparaging those in the global community who domineers the investment.

Unfortunately this does not look good for the Red Dragon.

Watch as time goes by and won't be long, in the near term there will be mass exodus of organizations as well other countries slowly but surely head to the exits out of China. As a full time personal, private institutional technical intrinsic value-based trader as well as a macro fundamental investor who trades/invests my own money of 8-9 figure USD voluminous transactions through FOREX spot & futures, options, bonds, stock indexes, ETFs, commodities, precious metals, cryptocurrencies and real estate, I will confidently say that there is way too much immanent, indwelling financial risk. Initial loss is the finest loss!

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Free people have a right to ask someone who has betrayed them and their state to stand down or resign. There is nothing unlawful in that. Unless the people of Hong Kong are not free, but are just assets of a dictatorial country.

They voice their opinions and in the free world they are heard.

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Japan wants immigration, and I'm sure that as 2047 approaches many HK'ers will want out. Why doesn't Japan open up to immigration from HK? Win, win.

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I have a bad feeling about this. Keep on demonstrating and China will hit back with a violent crackdown. Although they care about how they appear in the international scene, they won’t tolerate civil disobedience. And nobody in the PRC will ever see this on the news....

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I think the protesters should demand an extradition of Carrie Lam! That way she would definitely see what kind of mess she has created by acting as Beijing's guardian in Hong Kong.

As the golden rule states; "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself".

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Anyone wishing to support Hong Kong can do so by boycotting Chinese goods-easy to end send a message.

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Remember Tiananmen Square! The Chinese government has proven that it can't be trusted. Lam has proven that herself. HK must keep fighting for what is theirs.

JimizoJune 16 03:44 pm JSTThe free world is right beside you!

No, it is not.

You of all people should know that the ‘free world’ will not interfere in this.

No it will not. Benedict Dotard already said he isn't getting involved, he said he 'hopes they'll work it out' but what do you expect from someone who kisses Xi's fanny?

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China will hit back with a violent crackdown. Although they care about how they appear in the international scene, they won’t tolerate civil disobedience. And nobody in the PRC will ever see this on the news....

You’d be surprised actually. While most of the vocal Chinese we get posting on this site come off as CCP mouthpieces, many average citizens use a VPN to tunnel out of the Great Firewall and get uncensored information about the rest of the world.

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