Anti-government protesters wearing masks attend a protest in central Hong Kong on Saturday. Photo: REUTERS/Jorge Silva
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Hundreds return to Hong Kong streets as metro, shops shut after violence

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By Felix Tam and Greg Torode

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"Increasingly violent demonstrations that have roiled the city for four months"?

What! These were previously described as "PEACEFUL" protests, now they are "increasingly violent...over four months".

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" had fired a shot in self-defense after a protester threw a petrol bomb at him, setting him on fire." No, these are PEACEFUL protests.

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When you're fighting for your freedom and that of all your descendants for all time, violence can seem justified.

China can very easily stop the violence by walking away from a country that does not want them.

This is all China's fault.

I wonder how long until Trump's tarriffs and the HK riots destabilize China to the point that its economy collapses.

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The protesters are starting to hurt their own cause by smashing up stores.

If they tried to smash up my store they'd get it right back!

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protesters torched businesses and metro stations

Without stating the reason why, this article makes it sound like the protestors are committing random, senseless acts of violence.

The Hong Kong MTR has very clearly and very firmly set themselves as allies of the HK police and government. They have sporadically closed stations to prevent protestors from getting home from rallies on the opposite side of the city. They have allowed the police to use MTR stations as satellite police offices during confrontations, and have allowed police officers to use subways tactically, trapping protestors on platforms while trains arrive full of police who have initiated violence against them. Also, and perhaps most importantly, are the events of Aug. 31 - a police attack with over-the-top violence that many people believe resulted in one or more people being beaten to death by the police. There is CCTV footage of the events, that the MTR has refused to show - which intensifies the belief that they have something very grave to hide. Numerous demands for the release of the CCTV footage have gone ignored.

For those reasons, the MTR has become a popular target for the protestors.

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"Increasingly violent demonstrations that have roiled the city for four months"?

What! These were previously described as "PEACEFUL" protests, now they are "increasingly violent...over four months". ...No, these are PEACEFUL protests.

Let me explain to you how time works. You see, something can start in one way, and slowly change in another direction as time moves forward. Saying "The weather is getting increasingly cooler" can co-exist with "The temperature was 38 degrees several months ago." It's a remarkable thing, if you think about it.

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The Original Wing: "one or more people being beaten to death by the police."

More anti-China hysteria.

"closed stations to prevent protestors from getting home from rallies"

More hysteria.

"allowed the police to use MTR stations as satellite police offices during confrontations,"

Are you for real?

As far as I am aware, from news coverage, NO protester or police have been killed from the RIOT.

Were do you get "beaten to death"?

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Friday's protests across the Chinese-ruled city

"Chinese-ruled" city.

Akin to referring to Honolulu as a US-ruled city.

NLP at work.

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More anti-China hysteria.

More hysteria.

I've been discussing it quite reasonably. If you'd like to see hysteria, take a look at the comments at the very top of this comment section, full of words in all-caps and exclamation points.

Are you for real? Were do you get "beaten to death"?

I said many people allege that someone was beaten to death, not that I I know it to be true. Where do I get it from? I get it from the shrine that Hong Kongers have built and maintained (despite being destroyed by the HK police several times) outside Prince Edward MTR station ever since Aug. 31. I get it from the multiple sit-ins that occurred at the station, demanding for the CCTV footage to be released (which it wasn't). I get it from the multiple people who posed the question to C.E. Lam at her "dialogue" event a week ago or so.

Again - I have no idea whether it happened it not. If you read my previous post, my point was not to claim that these things happened. My point was to fill in missing information in the story, which is to explain why the protestors have targeted the MTR. Accept their reasons or not, it doesn't matter. I'm simply explaining their rationale, and that the target wasn't random.

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Not that it affects me personally as I don't have any relatives in HK, but I have spoken to acquaintances, and they are very affraid. That they'll get done in by protesters, or tgat they'll get done in by the government, because everything the government has done so far has very little to do with the prosperity of HK and all to do with towing the China suppression line. There is no hope.

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The law banning face masks has been used since 1967.

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Stalin once said Germans were incapable of staging a revolution because they would never disobey the signs to "keep off the grass". The face mask ban in HK is thus a joke because the determined Hong Kongers steeled by months of "disobedience" are in no mood to play ball with the posturing bullies from Beijing. The whole point of protests, demonstrations, riots, uprisings and revolutions is precisely to DISOBEY repressive orders handed down by toothless authorities who more than anything fear that escalating disobedience might strip them of the power and authority they have usurped and abused. State violence inexorably begets violence from below and history will absolve the freedom fighters and damn the government if this all ends in a bloodbath.

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Majority of Hong Kong people have high IQ yet protesting their own country, weakening their economy. Do this solve the problem? If No, how dumb. If Yes, dumber! Clearly the dumbest IQ.

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Majority of Hong Kong people have high IQ yet protesting their own country, weakening their economy. Do this solve the problem? If No, how dumb. If Yes, dumber! Clearly the dumbest IQ.

So of it solves the problem, it's even dumber?? Interesting logic.

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The ideology opium is more fatal than opium itself. But the few poisoned HK people will stand up again, the second time. 1.4 billion siblings will not give you up.

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By procedure, emergency-law can only be used after declared state of emergency and there are a few criteria to justify that. She did not declare state of emergency and just jump to emergency-law. It invokes emergency-law once and can invoke it again without going through proper procedures. This time it is the mask, next can be anyone's possessions, limit all communications, etc.

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I was privy to the unedited version of the actual shooting, and from what is shown in frame by frame it is clearly the police officer who was at fault and pulled the gun out before any protester came at the them pointing the loaded live round weapon. The protester was only using self defense measures. This is why it is important for citizens to bear arms when the police abuse their authority. How can the biggest political crisis since its handover from Britain to China in 1997 under a“one country, two systems” formula that granted it autonomy and broad freedoms not enjoyed on the mainland when the unelected by voters and appointed Beijing-backed Lam ever work. They need to have an elected leader and China must honor what they signed.

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^Actually, there is another video with frame by frame view showing the pipe was originally a white PVC pipe, then a police office plant the metal pipe afterwards.

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How do Hong Kongers formally get proposals into a binding vote by the people?

Removal of Lam.

Change from CCP-only political system.

Democratic elections.

Solidify and strength freedoms for political speech.

After all, the CCP aren't afraid of anything, are they?

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Next they'll be banning Umbrella's....

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^ Next all people will convert to Islam with HK style that even male will need to wear hajab.

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One country two systems demonstrated to the world which system is better, superior, supported by super majorities, and lift people up, not let them down.

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Just say NO to communism.

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Masks are masks, as labels are labels, both will not change your faces, nor your characters. You are what you are, no matter how you call yourself. Stupid never become smart, call yourself pro-smart as you like, it matters not.

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Those masks look like the ones Anonymous uses in their rallies and in anarchist riots.

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Stupid never become smart, call yourself pro-smart as you like, it matters not.

It's better that you speak in riddles, as it's easier to understand than your usual CCP 5 mao stuff.

You have the choice of letting HK be free, or ruining it. I bet you want to ruin it.

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Go HK!

1.4 billion Chinese without a voice are watching actively at how you guys use your voices. They're cheering for you silently, which is the only way they can cheer due to the oppression of their government.

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Those masks look like the ones Anonymous uses in their rallies and in anarchist riots.

Guy Fawkes mask: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask

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