Kremlin denies role in plane crash believed to have killed Russian mercenary leader Prigozhin

It must have been NATO secret operations if Russian did not do it

Just the Russian way:

deny, deny, deny.....

Until people know the truth.

Ukraine prevails!

Poland can now relax on the boarders

Like we believe Russia.

It must have been NATO secret operations if Russian did not do it

Case closed then eh. Throrough job you've done there.

Poland can now relax on the boarders

Can it relax on the skiiers too?

Wagner was becoming more popular than Putin, it took time to wait out the peoples attention span, then they struck. Easier to control the narrative now, the kremlin could do as it pleases. The message has been sent to any that would dare oppose the Regime.

Silly Ruskies!

Of course they did it!

Just like they colluded with Trump to steal the 2016 election, even though we're not allowed to question election results.

Just like they blew up the Nordstream pipeline, even though the evidence seems to indicate the US or UK.

And just like them assassinating JFK, even though evidence now shows the CIA was involved.

But of course the Ruskies did it!! Because the U.S. intelligence says so.

You know, the same U.S. intelligence that said Saddam had WMDs.

Just saying....

But of course the Ruskies did it!! Because the U.S. intelligence says so.

Cute rant. Putin also claimed he wouldn't invade in the first place. and I bet you believed him then too. US intelligence told us he would.

Who was right?

Just like they blew up the Nordstream pipeline, even though the evidence seems to indicate the US or UK.

This is what Putin tells you. Do you believe him?

"The Kremlin on Friday rejected allegations it was behind a plane crash"

And I'm sure the crash investigation will agree... It's probably already been written and signed. Clear message to not bite the hand that feeds you.

The Kremlin on Friday rejected allegations

I imagine many of the anti-west, anti-democracy zealots still believe the Kremlin, most of the rest of the world has probably learnt by now to distrust most news coming from Russia and from its global media, including Rupert's many rags, and also including Russia's social media keyboard warriors, those working for the state within authoritarian nations and also those outside in democratic nations that work, paid qnd volunteer, for the authoritarian bloc.

And Putin survives yet another challenger.

23 years and going.

The plane was not shot down it had two bombs planted on board just before take off.

Putin could care less what the world thinks whether he did it or not, he denied it, now the world can either accept it or not and move on unless, they can factually prove beyond a shadow of doubt.

Those are not the only two possibilities.

Putin could care less what the world thinks whether he did it or not, he denied it, now the world can either accept it or not and move on unless, they can factually prove beyond a shadow of doubt.

“Right now, of course, there are lots of speculations around this plane crash and the tragic deaths of the passengers of the plane, including Yevgeny Prigozhin," Peskov told reporters during a conference call. "Of course, in the West those speculations are put out under a certain angle, and all of it is a complete lie.”

Spoken like a mob boss.

KGB/CIA rule book of engagement, deny, even when you're laughing denying it, even when people are convinced you did it.

Those are not the only two possibilities.

Then they should try and prove it.

Maybe the plane blew up on it's own.

Putin had so many warm words for his dear friend of many years. What did he say? He must be really sad. (Too busy to attend his funeral, though.)

Oh, and that Wagner cemetery where Prigozhin placed a monument. All the crosses and wreaths have been pulled up and dumped, and the cemetery has just been turned into a large parking lot.

Gratitude for ‘achieving those results’ in Bakhmut?

All likelihood is that Vladimir Putin did it or at least the cabal was done under Putin's sanction.

Yevgeny Prigozhin had publicly lambasted Putin-appointed brass as incompetent and moronic; Wagner's troops were approaching Moscow to topple the current regime. Even if Prigozhin hadn't accused Putin, seemingly on purpose, the former must have been an enemy No. one for the latter.

What's the excuse? Shoddy aircraft maintenance or incompetent anti-air crews? Even the excuses make Russia look like a failed state.

It doesn’t matter Russia has defeated nato they are wimp

Not proof, but the speed at which it was announced makes me think it’s way more likely the Russians did something. The plane had barely hit the ground before the Kremlin confirmed in the media that Prigozhin was dead.

Then they should try and prove it.

Going to be hard when plane crash site has been cleared and all evidence removed.

But to be honest, it doesn't really matter who ordered it or why. The world is rid of another bloodthirsty megalomaniac, hopefully..

Just like they have not been spraying cyanide in everyone's face for decades and calling it a heart attack.

No one outside of Russia believes you Putler

Putin could care less what the world thinks whether he did it or not, he denied it, now the world can either accept it or not and move on unless, the

So what of they can prove it? What's the west going to do.

Of course Russia did it - the denials are not meant to be taken seriously. Like the nerve agent attack in England on Kripol - it was denied, (and several on this site played along with it). It is intended to send a message - cross Putin and you end up dead.

The moment he launched the attack on Moscow, he was a dead man walking. I'm not going to mourn the guy - he was a monster like Putin.

Kremlin denies role in plane crash believed to have killed Russian mercenary leader Prigozhin

Sure, and Vlad also has a bridge to Crimea to sell you - guaranteed to not have any holes...

My bet is the CIA. They didn't want him in Africa.

While it is more than likely the Kremlin is responsible.

There is also another think/possibility.

Last week Ukraine released an animated video predicting a major event for the 24th Ukraine independence day!

The video is an animation showing thousands of drones attacking Russia.

No such event happened but Prigozhin's plane gets taken down on the 23rd just in time for the celebrations!

Was the video of thousands of drones attacks a diversion to make everyone look the other way while Ukraine takes out the heads of Wagner?

It would be a brilliant move and a great day for Ukraine with all fingers pointing at The Kremlin.

My bet is the CIA. They didn't want him in Africa.

In all honesty, I wouldn’t put it past them either.

But to be honest, it doesn't really matter who ordered it or why. The world is rid of another bloodthirsty megalomaniac, hopefully.

Oh, I definitely agree with that.

Russia doing their Vinnie Babarino impression: "What? Where? Up your nose with a rubber hose." Or is it Sgt Schultz: "I know nothing, nothing!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblPucwN-m0

At this point, after years of denials about hundreds of things, their denials have become the same as an admission of guilt.

It is illegal for the CIA to assassinate people, outside a war.

The fact Russia denies involvement is proof positive that Putin was indeed behind this assassination inside Russian borders. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Putin needed to ensure his continued control so did what he had to do to put an end to the man who had challenged the order of things and seemingly gotten away with it. All inside Russia know the boss has once again tightened his control...for now.

Others will have noticed that Putin's control is not beyond breaking if done in the right way. While Putin has realized that having a private military to do your dirty work around the world, so you can claim ignorance, comes with some very dangerous strings attached.

Mean time the Wagner army will undergo changes both public and behind the scenes. Perhaps a name change will be forthcoming.

theFu

Today 09:21 am JST

It is illegal for the CIA to assassinate people, outside a war.

No not quite!

I don't think the CIA did this one but you are confusing things.

An executive order prevents the CIA from assassinating political figures!

It does not stop the CIA from killing non political figures.

Prigozhin was not a politician and depending on his classification could legal be killed in a CIA operation especially if approved by the executive branch.

It is highly unlikely this was the case but it remains a very very tiny possibility.

Prigozhin and his henchmen all climbed into a flying barrel for Putin to conveniently shoot at. How and why they misread the mind of the poisonous Kremlin midget is a Russian headscratcher.

FACT:

The man had made an army of enemies - domestic and foreign.

I don't need to name them.

They were all are happy to see him go and all have motive.

The Usual Suspects in this case is longer than one of his rants.

Even better, someone else takes the blame.

The guy was geopolitics version of the crazed rock 'n' roller with one foot in the grave.

We know it wasn't Colonel Mustard with the lead pipe in the kitchen.

It is illegal for the CIA to assassinate people, outside a war.

Yes, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen or has happened. We are talking about the CIA after all.

The only problem with the "it was Putin" scenario is, why do on Russian territory and have the predictable results of being accessed?

As noted here Prigozhin had a lot of enemies, he recently flew to Africa made a video and returned.

France, Ukraine, USA, NATO, Russia all probably wanted him dead.

So the smart move would have been to leak his whereabouts, flight plans etc.. during his African trip, or in Belarus, etc ..and let someone else take him out.

The Kremlin is still too contender but the timing of the day before Ukrainian independence day celebration is like Putin giving Ukraine a present!

FACT:

Journalist Darya Dugina was killed in a car bombing on the outskirts of Moscow in August of last year (clearly targeting her father).

We know the SBU crew at Volodymyrska Street, Kyiv orchestrated it (even the NYT/WP agree on that).

This demonstrates that foreign parties are more than capable of being the culprits.

Keep an open mind.

' Just like they blew up the Nordstream pipeline, even though the evidence seems to indicate the US or UK.'

Yes, whatever happened to the results of investigation into that ? After that ridiculous attempt to blame it on a bunch of fictional 007 like characters in a rented yacht it all went mysteriously quiet. Luckily the JT experts have concluded that Putin blew it up himself and thats the end of that. NATO not being involved in the Nordstream attack has about as much credibility as saying Putin wasn,t involved in Prigozhin,s demise.

Once some kind of official conclusions are ready to be released, they will be released.

What does “some kind of” even mean here? They haven’t made it up yet?

Whilst I have no live for the guy, it feels kind of sad that pretty much everyone is glad he is dead.

Of course he did it.

He’d brag about it if he could.

good topic can keep some of you occupied for days here...

how are heroi doing with their spring offensive instead?

how are heroi doing with their spring offensive instead?

Kicking some Russian ass. Thanks for asking.

That's one messed up country.

Putin's got to be in trouble.

Kremlin denies role in plane crash

Like night follows day.

Prigozhin was a mass murderer, torturer, rapist. If there is such a place as hell that's where he went.

It's cloak and dagger time in Putin's Russia. This thing is far from over.

It is illegal for the CIA to assassinate people, outside a war.

Riiiiight.

Hasn't stopped before.

The Kremlin is still too contender but the timing of the day before Ukrainian independence day celebration is like Putin giving Ukraine a present!

Exactly, worst possible timing for Putin. There was also the BRICS meeting.

Even if it wasn't Putin, the body language and tone of voice of the gremlin in the Kremlin is communicating to his enemies, "Do Svidanya, suckers!"

stormcrow

Today 10:39 am JST

That's one messed up country.

> Putin's got to be in trouble

We keep hearing these claims!

Along with he is perpetually dying from cancer, Parkinson's, etc...

Others like the people are going to rise up, etc..

Running out of ammunition!

Etc..etc..etc...

We are still waiting!

Putin's authority was damaged by Prigozhin. Now it's over.

US intelligence told us he would.

Of course they knew he would. Why do you think they instigated the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych. The Cold War never ended, it just went very very cold for a while.

The Putin did it scenario would make sense if it was any other day!

This was the day before Ukrainian independence day, I am sure Putin knew that, this would be like giving Ukraine a "Happy Independence Day" present!

Ukraine has been saying they planned on something special for independence day to celebrate!

Prigozhin's death sure fits the bill!

Again I week later, would have been a far better time for the Kremlin but just in time for Ukraine to celebrate?

Strange timing!

Update on the recovery operation:

A wing with attached landing gear were found 3 km from the crash site, in a heavily wooded area near the Lodyzhenka River. The tail of the aircraft was found not far (roughly 500m away previously).

02795 is clearly written on the wing (the registration number).

It was removed by heavy equipment.

The landing gear appears to be extended but whether this is from the crash I don't know.

A photograph of the shock absorber assy (assembly) plate by Embraer has been published complete with serial number (10355), part number, specification number, inspection stamps (appear to be blank) and date (Oct/13).

Relevant because the jet was manufactured in 2007 and had previous owners, so a 2013 part would not be uncommon.

If it was the Ukrainians how did they enter a Russian airport, delay the flight of Prigozhin's plane, and then plant two bombs on board during maintenance or repair? Then retreat from the airport.

It's also important to remind ourselves that when asked regarding the condition of the plane, Embraer said it had not provided support services for the jet since 2019, citing compliance with sanctions.

The actual ownership timeline by Wagner/Prigozhin/Russia based entities is harder to nail down but is somewhere from 2018 to 2020. It was barred from entering the United States as part of sanctions imposed by the US Treasury Department on Prigozhin in 2019.

Eat the facts, Russia is winning and nato has literally lost. They afraid to fight

Always wondered why Prigozhin is a mercenary leader while Erik Prince and Blackwater/Xe and their war on terror war crimes and his Trump backing family are "Private Military Contractors" with hanger on Amway heiress Betsy DeVos as his close relative in the Trump Cabinet as Secretary of Education LOL.

The KGB and CIA were always riffing off of eachother.

Here is a sum up of the press release by Embraer:

Embraer said it was aware of a plane crash in Russia involving a Legacy 600 aircraft, but it did not have further information about the case and had not been providing support services for the jet since 2019.

“Embraer has complied with international sanctions imposed on Russia,” the company said. Sanctions block Western plane makers from providing parts or support for planes operated in Russia.

“Embraer has complied with international sanctions imposed on Russia,” the company said. Sanctions block Western plane makers from providing parts or support for planes operated in Russia.

So sanction does work then.

Ukraine has been saying they planned on something special for independence day to celebrate!

Prigozhin's death sure fits the bill!

So does the landing in Crimea. Putin would have to admit that Ukraine has the ability to take out his top guys if it really was Ukraine. Or he can hide that too and continue on telling people it was an accident. I have serious doubts about Ukraine doing it. Even the CIA angle is more realistic.

A possible list of suspect/s:

Putin

Other domestic political entities

RMOD (numerous possibilities)

VKS (Russia Aerospace Forces) for the deaths of aircrew during the mutiny

Russia Armed Forces in general

Former/current domestic/foreign business associates

Possible elements within his own organisation

Belarus opposition

Ukraine SBU

Polish govt/AW

Baltic states govts

Numerous Syrian jihadist insurgent groups (and/or their allies abroad)

Numerous African politicians, movements or govts

French govt/DGSE

US govt/CIA, UK govt/MI6

The list is endless.