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Islamist gunman attacks French supermarket; kills three

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The French police have just entered the supermarket and shoot the terrorist.

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The French police went in heavy again.

Death is what these idiots want .

Nevertheless, good riddance all the same.

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He was a known fundie apparently. The security services dropped a bollock again perhaps, but then again we have a lot of fundies.

European countries are just going to have to accept these horrible events....

RIP to the dead...

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At least it's over now. Apparently 3 innocent victims lost. 3 families in mourning because some idiot thought that they were justified in killing innocents to make a political point. The only point I see that this idiot made was that he was mentally ill. If we can ever be justified in quoting Donald Trump, now is the time. SAD... (I think I got the caps right.)

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I just want to add a little perspective. You are FAR FAR more likely to be killed in a car accident than a terrorist attack. I'm not sure of the stats in France, but in the U.S, roughly 4 times the number of mass killings are done by right-wing extremist compared to religious extremist. Most extremists are home grown and cannot be deported. Also, innocent until proven guilty has long been a fundamental foundation of Western society. It's easy to over-react to a situation, though it isn't always helpful to do so.

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From the BBC: "He was known for petty crimes. We had monitored him and thought there was no radicalisation," Interior Minister Collomb said.

...So the suggested "solution" of throwing anyone in jail at the first sign of jihadism wouldn't have had any impact on this event at all. As is usual in real life, solutions aren't always simple.

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I believe the vast majority of Muslims are just normal people, wishing to get on with their lives without any trouble, however there's a small number of troublemakers among them who wish the opposite. These are the people who need to be identified and detained. I've read that the Security forces know of (or are concerned about) several 10's of 1000's of such individuals. One has to wonder, if taking them out of circulation for a bit of rehab, may do everyone some good, as they are currently a menace to Modern day Society.

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Professor Peter Neumann, from the Department of War Studies at King’s College London and Director of the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation, gave some context to the attacks:

“France has certainly been the country, perhaps more than other European countries… very exposed in terms of foreign policy, in terms of deployments in other countries, especially Muslim countries.”

According to Prof. Neumann, operations conducted by jihadists in France are motivated by hatred as they accuse France of being a country that spreads a form of Islamophobia. He went on to explain: “They really hate France because they see it essentially not only as a crusader nation like a lot of other European countries, but a nation with an explicitly aggressive anti-Islamic agenda.”

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So, putting the attack and the Muslim hatred of France somehow justifies killing French people on the street and in supermarkets?

Anyone living in France should be seeking to integrate into French society.

There are plenty of Islamic countries for those that do not wish to!

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He was a known fundie apparently.

No, he wasn't. He was known to police for being a drug dealer.

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a nation with an explicitly aggressive anti-Islamic agenda.”

Like the one peddled by the new American security adviser John Bolton? The same John Bolton that is chair of Gatestone Institute, the Islamaphobic spreader of fake news all over the internet?

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/23/gatestone-institute-john-bolton-chairs-an-actual-fake-news-publisher-infamous-for-spreading-anti-muslim-hate/

The owner, Nina Rosenwald, the sugar mama of Ant-Muslim hate-

https://www.thenation.com/article/sugar-mama-anti-muslim-hate/

Hats off to the brave French police officer who swapped himself for a hostage and was then seriously wounded in the shoot out.

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Terrorist causes terror and act is decribed as "Islamist terrorism".

Very fast response in defining what "kind" of terror it is. Interesting.

RIP to the innocent victims of said terrorist.

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These are the people who need to be identified and detained.

For doing what, though? Sure, if they commit crimes but having beliefs (no matter how reprehensible they might be) or associations isn't a jailing offence in democratic countries. That's more for the authoritarian nations.

Internment would only bolster recruitment to terrorist groups, as it did for the IRA when activists or "troublemakers" were interned without trial in the 70s.

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A petty criminal and not an Islamic radical.

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Security forces know of (or are concerned about) several 10's of 1000's of such individuals

That is hardly a small number ( the UK alone has over 20,000 ) and as has already been pointed out, you can’t just detain people. Due process is still upheld in civilised countries.

The UK security services are overwhelmed with these numbers. The German security services are another to admit they are ill-equipped to deal with the jihadist threat.

It’s a pretty miserable picture. Jihadis are usually particularly excitable around Ramadan which is just a few months away. Let’s hope it’s less bloody than last year and the security services can do the best they can.

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A petty criminal and not an Islamic radical.

Why not both? The vast, vast majority of petty criminals don’t scream “Allahu Akbar” and talk about IS while killing people.

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Lakdim shouts "Allahu Akbar" as he randomly tops people in the streets, demanding the release of Abdeslam, a prime suspect in the 2015 Paris attacks. IS then takes credit. (Where are they located now by the way?)

How can we say this guy was not an Islamist terrorist?

And far from helping Salah Abdeslam, he has just seriously prejudiced the guy's court case.

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Jimizo

Why not both? The vast, vast majority of petty criminals don’t scream “Allahu Akbar” and talk about IS while killing people.

Well maybe he decided he wanted to get his 15 minutes of fame which wouldn't happen if only a petty criminal. Out of the 5 million Muslims only 1.5 million claim to be "observant Muslims". 95% of the French Muslims are EU born with EU passports.

That is hardly a small number ( the UK alone has over 20,000 ) 

The British security forces have surveillance only on 500 Muslims believed to be radicals and have a list of 3,000 possible radicals and everything else is a guessing game from other sources.

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It is a reality of european life now. Acceptance will ease the pain.

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 “They really hate France because they see it essentially not only as a crusader nation like a lot of other European countries, but a nation with an explicitly aggressive anti-Islamic agenda.”

This should be put into perspective. France is also one of the most vocal anti-Israel/ pro-Palestine country in this world (and has always been). Many Muslims (mostly educated ones) love France, its culture, values and more generally what it stands for. Also, many Muslims (from Islamic nations) are very well aware that france (and germany) were the only 2 major powers that united against the Iraq war (which is/was mostly seen as an 'anglos vs Arab world thing'). That's why in the late 90s one could see flags portraying Chirac in some ME countries (Arafat, Khomeini, Gaddafi AND Chirac!!lol)

Thing is France has more 'would-be' Islamists on its soil than any other non-Islamic nation in this world and will therefore always be more exposed to Islamist terrorism than other nations. Opportunity rather than anti-french ideology per se (imo).

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Quote from BBC: “Prosecutor Francois Molins said he had been on an extremist watch-list due to "his radicalisation and his links with the Salafist movement", a hardline offshoot of Sunni Islam. However, subsequent investigations by intelligence services had not turned up any signs he would act, he said.”

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Salafist movement which comes from Saudi Arabia so what are the authorities doing there to close it down, nothing. More than 50 Salafi Jihadist groups including Al Qaeda.

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Meija and Madverts are correct. Over reacting to the inevitable is not a solution.

France is so enriched by its immigrants. These kind of deaths are a small, if regrettable, price to pay.

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