McCarthy fails for 3rd long day in GOP House speaker fight

Make America great again or deadlock again, US really need Donald Trump to avoid this.

Imagine being THIS desperate to want the job. Does the man have no shame?

Matt Gaetz of Florida, even cast his votes for Donald Trump, a symbolic but pointed sign of the b

Gaetz the pedophile is another toady for the NFT hawker who claimed he was not only 'better than Washington and Lincoln', but also 'clairvoyant, (Out lying George Santos, Ted Cruz and other Republicans and showing how wack he is. Gaetz just wants to continue the grifter's mission which is to further divide the country and the RepublicanParty. The Grifter's anti-American despotic pals he appeased while he was in the White House smile seeing the damage that TPG 'The Previous Guy' and its party continue to do to the country.

Mostly, the holdouts led by the Freedom Caucus are seeking ways to shrink the power of the speaker’s office and give rank-and-file lawmakers more influence in the legislative process — with seats on key committees and the ability to draft and amend bills in a more free-for-all process.

So they are not engaging in vigorous democratic debate in the service of the American people, it is just a power play.

As was previously posted, even going to AOC to suss out what the Dems were going to do.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/aoc-says-she-was-telling-matt-gaetz-the-democratic-party-would-absolutely-not-rescue-kevin-mccarthy-s-speakership-bid-when-they-were-spotted-chatting-on-the-house-floor/ar-AA15Wxz7?cvid=a9c3d7a805264c4889d0885ac25f6dd8

The Republicans like to criticize the Green New Deal but it contains actual policy goals and steps to get there.

AOC was even vindicated yesterday for opposing corporate welfare to the "job creator" Amazon when they announced massive layoffs. She was relentlessly criticized by the Repubs for that.

So what does the Freedom Caucus stand for and what are their plans to get there?

Seeing them sink among themselves is so decadent, pathetic and funny..

GOP sold their souls to the MAGA gang and there are the results...

Another day, another drama, same circus, same clowns, same GOP...

Make America great again or deadlock again, US really need Donald Trump to avoid this.

Don't you realize that the GOP is so ruined because of Trump??, look the farce what it has become...

Nobody needs Trump, he only needs himself..

So what does the Freedom Caucus stand for and what are their plans to get there?

To quote Steve Bannon, their goal is "the deconstruction of the administrative state". They are borderline accelerationists seeking to destroy much of government and not just at the Federal level, but they don't give much thought to what happens if they succeed.

Now defeated in the third round, surpassing the 100 year old record previously held.

The GOP are finding new and innovative ways to be incompetent losers.

As was previously posted, even going to AOC to suss out what the Dems were going to do.

The Republicans were afraid a large group of Democratic members of Congress might choose to vote "Present" instead of for Hakeem Jeffries, and by doing so hand Mr. McCarthy the speakership. They feared there would be a price he would have to pay the Democrats were such a deal being made. AOC apparently assured the Freedumb Caucsuckus members there were no such plans.

Desert Tortoise

The Republicans were afraid a large group of Democratic members of Congress might choose to vote "Present" instead of for Hakeem Jeffries, and by doing so hand Mr. McCarthy the speakership.

What they need to do is get 6 GOP members to vote present and give the house leadership to Hakeem Jeffries!

He's now about to lose the 10th vote, which is as long as any time since 1859, just before the civil war.

But apparently McCarthy is about to give all his power over to the far right faction of the Republican Party, so he will be little more than Speaker in name only.

Does the man have no shame?

He is the product of a San Joaquin Valley based political machine called Western Pacific Research, founded by the late Mark Abernathy and still run by Mrs. Abernathy. They are the path through which all Republican aspirants to public office in Kern County and the greater San Joaquin Valley must travel to receive campaign funding. In return they tow the line and say the words they are told to say and vote the way they are told by the Abernathys machine

I have seen normally rational people I knew and worked for run for public office, get pulled into the Abernathy machine and suddenly they are talking like robots saying things that are very out of character for them, towing the party line to get elected. You can always tell the Abernathy funded candidates by the quality and similarity of their huge campaign billboards, websites and social media presence. Self funded candidates can't afford that. I have seen one example where an Abernathy machine county supervisor got sick of being told to say and went rogue if you will on the subject of water resources in our region. He didn't run for re-election either. Kevin McCarthy is paid good money by the Abernathy machine to unflinchingly support agricultural water interests, oil interests and reducing corporate taxes. Plus he has developed his own independent financial resources for his campaigns and for other Congressional campaigns, but deep in his Bakersfield soul he remains a loyal puppet to his Abernathy roots.

No more liars in power.

Anyone that Trump endorses needs to go.

At this point, I don't trust the GOP to run a neighborhood lemonade stand. They need to be dissolved and 5 new parties created.

Hopefully, one will be representative of people like me:

non-religious

fiscally conservative

law-n-order types

respect full towards voters and actually represent the voters, not their personal ideas

Sadly, the Democrats are little better. Bless their hearts, they spend like a hooker who just got $500 and needs some drugs.

What they need to do is get 6 GOP members to vote present and give the house leadership to Hakeem Jeffries

If what I saw in an interview with a Republican member of Congress reflects reality, there are a growing number of McCarthy supporters who are to the point of telling the 20 Freedumb Caucsucus members that they will vote to change the rules so all it takes is a plurality of votes to become speaker. Hakeem Jeffries has consistently earned more votes than Kevin McCarthy. If the threshold is a plurality, Mr. Jeffries would win. The gambit would force the 20 holdouts to make a choice, either vote for Kevin McCarthy or see the speakership go to a Democrat. Boy wouldn't that frost some Republican cookies!

DT - thanks for the info. I'm not too familiar with California politics and hadn't heard about Abernathy. It seems we allow just way too much money in our US political process. Citizens United sure didn't help.

DT - thanks for the info. I'm not too familiar with California politics and hadn't heard about Abernathy. It seems we allow just way too much money in our US political process. Citizens United sure didn't help.

There are two organizations in California deeply involved in Republican politics very few are aware of. One is Western Pacific Research and the other is a political consultancy in Sacramento called Russo, Marsh and Rogers. Sal Russo pretty much created the Tea Party and funded the Tea Party Express. He has a Rolodex fat with political contacts and funding sources. Western Pacific Research is a similar sort of outfit in Bakersfield, with their funding coming from big agriculture like Grimmway Farms, the largest producer and shipper of carrots in the world, and some major oil companies with large oil producing and agricultural land holdings in the SJV like Chevron and Getty Oil. In California agriculture is less than 5% of the states enormous GPD and employs less than 5% of the workforce, but they have outsized influence in both Congress and the State Legislature thanks the the organizing power of the Abernathy machine and Russo, Marsh and Rogers.

What a clown show- the extremists now controlling the GOP have no interest in or ability to find solutions to the challenges facing ordinary Americans.

McCarthy and the others in the GOP are just continuing the only ‘policy’ their clairvoyant loser, TPG, had, which was tear the country and its governments down, with no plans to replace what they destroyed, beyond letting the biggest corporations, US and foreign, do whatever they want.

What a clown show- the extremists now controlling the GOP have no interest in or ability to find solutions to the challenges facing ordinary Americans.

The Republican Party has become very good at obstructing the legislative process at every level of government but you are right, they do not seem to have a clear vision of what they are working towards and a story to tell the American public about how those ideas will make their lives better.

If you look at the history of the Republican Party in California you will find that their constant obstruction of legislation majorities of Californians wanted combined with annual government shut downs when the state Constitution requires a 2/3 majority to approve a budget and Republicans in the Legislature every year refused to vote in favor of a budget unless certain unrelated legislation that would never see the light of day otherwise was included in the budget. Eventually a voter initiate changed the threshold to pass a budget to a simple majority and from then on budgets were on time and either balanced or since 2008 they have always had as surplus. Also since then there have been no Republicans holding statewide office. California used to have Republican governors and Republican majorities in at least one house of the state Legislature but no more. Their rigid ideologies, refusal to compromise and constant obstruction tactics soured voters in California against Republicans. Republicans would talk about changing their messaging but missed the point about changing what they advocate to better match the views of the people they want to represent. We may be seeing this play out in more states if Republican office holders cannot govern effectively.

Day 3 of the greatest comedy on earth. What will tomorrow bring?

McCarthy and the others in the GOP are just continuing the only ‘policy’ their clairvoyant loser, TPG, had, which was tear the country and its governments down, with no plans to replace what they destroyed, beyond letting the biggest corporations, US and foreign, do whatever they want.

It is reflective of a broad swath of conservative Americans. I live in McCarthy's district. I know how a lot of white conservatives feel about the way the US has developed over the past fifty years. To many of them they feel the nation has left them behind. They didn't keep up is how I see it but that doesn't matter. The world changed, the US changed and they do not like it so they feel all they can do is destroy it. Tear it all down because it is, in their view, no good.

Day 3 of the greatest comedy on earth. What will tomorrow bring?

I am still laughing at the campaign statement of someone who ran against Kevin McCarthy in the last election. The question asked this candidate was "What is your favorite joke?". The reply? Kevin McCarthy. I still laugh every time I remember that one :)

Failed on the tenth attempt now. Pathetic display from a pathetic party cowed by fascists and cultists.

I said no excuses are necessary- it was day 2. 

it’s day 3- no excuses are still necessary.

When will excused be necessary? Day 4? 5? 10? 287?

I guess the other McCarthy who once failed is quite a much bigger problem now. lol

“The Biden administration is going unchecked and there is no oversight of the White House,” Republicans Michael McCaul, Mike Rogers and Mike Turner wrote in a joint statement.

Just you wait! Only (insert new number here) days until the nightmare is over! It’s a new dawn!

lol

According to these GOP guys, it's all Biden's fault, again!

“The Biden administration is going unchecked and there is no oversight of the White House,” Republicans Michael McCaul, Mike Rogers and Mike Turner wrote in a joint statement. "We cannot let personal politics place the safety and security of the United States at risk.”

When will excused be necessary? Day 4? 5? 10? 287?

We won. Sit quietly and wait while we handle what needs to be handled.

Our pace, our timeline, our priorities.

Failed on the tenth attempt now. Pathetic display from a pathetic party cowed by fascists and cultists.

What is interesting is that social media gives the members of the Freedumb Caucsucus a degree of independent power that was not possible in past decades. The ability to go on Twitter or Facebook and raise money allows them to ignore party leaders, even dictate terms to them. In the past a member of Congress was completely reliant on party machinery to fund their campaigns and that enforced some discipline among party members. No more. Bill Clinton is quoted as having said "Democrats fall in love but Republicans fall in line". Times seem to have changed. There has always been an anti-establishment wing within the Republican Party but for there reasons described above they could never gain their own independent power. Social media had changed that.

Part of this is also a result of the personalities involved. That ability to go outside of the party leadership exists equally for the US Senate but you do not see that happening. Mitch McConnell would never tolerate it and knows how to punish any member that steps too far out of line. Likewise Democratic members of Congress. Ms. Pelosi never let "The Squad" tell her what to do! They tried but it didn't get them anywhere. Mr. McCarthy is no Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi and doesn't have the leadership talent to keep his members in line.

And we see the results of Day #3 of the Greatest Comedy on Earth or otherwise known as The Torture of Kevin McCarthy...

I mean 10 losses - how much humiliation can one person stand? Well, we are talking about "My Kevin" who admitted on live TV that the Benghazi investigation was all political and then was also caught on tape saying he was going to ask Trump to resign after Jan 6th - after lying the day before saying he never was planning that...

So Kevin knows how to handle humiliation - he just doesn't know how to handle the 20 MAGA-maniacs that hate his guts...

But hey, our Trump supporting friends here say to "sit back, relax"....all the while Trump's chosen Speaker gets shellacked and pummeled by his OWN FELLOW REPUBS....

OK...we'll sit back and watch what ONE REPUB called a "hostage crisis"...

ROFL..

You know you’re in trouble when…

La La Lauren Boebert is a voice of reason!

We won. Sit quietly and wait while we handle what needs to be handled. 

What needs to be handled? Because it seems like you have a front runner who can’t get over the line or a group of hardliners who want their lunacy to reign supreme.

But before that, answer the question: when are excuses needed? Or is the answer, “we in the GOP will never apologize for anything, no matter how garbage we are”?

Our pace, our timeline, our priorities. 

Party above country for the GOP, same as ever.

What a disaster. Pretty soon the adults in the room (the democrats) are going to have to find the teenagers in the room (the semi-rational GOP) and work with them to choose a reasonable GOP leader. AKA, the democrats are going to have to be adults for the country once again, because the GOP are acting like children.

Gaetz the pedophile

Proof? The Feds found that it wasn't true.

is another toady for the NFT hawker who claimed he was not only 'better than Washington and Lincoln', but also 'clairvoyant, (Out lying George Santos, Ted Cruz and other Republicans and showing how wack he is.

He said nothing of the sort.

Gaetz just wants to continue the grifter's mission which is to divide the country and the RepublicanParty further.

No, he wants accountability and a check on the Democrats and Washington as a whole and doesn't trust Kevin to be that hawkish and is more susceptible to being swayed by establishment political pressure to bypass or overlook critical and vital issues that Americans want to know about.

The Grifter's anti-American despotic pals he appeased while he was in the White House smile seeing the damage that TPG 'The Previous Guy' and its party continue to do to the country.

No damage, not anything to the damage being inflicted on an hourly basis by the current admin, but the check and balance that Gaetz and other anti-establishment Republicans are pushing for is a good thing and a very important thing for democracy and accountability, something we don't have at all.

Oh, and the world is watching, and once again, wondering what the hell is going on. Watching. And waiting.

Sit quietly and wait while we handle what needs to be handled.

You guys are handling it about as well as a man with no thumbs covered in oil.

We won.

Case in point example of you guys "winning" so much you're sick of you winning.

So many pieces of information here but still no clear picture.

People are saying MAGAs are the problem which is correct. McCarthy is MAGA, and so is his most famous supporter, Donald Trump. Ditto that for Sean Hannity, Gym Jordan, and MTG. So the leaders on McCarthy's side are all MAGAs.

The opposition side is comprised with a vast majority of MAGAs as well. So it's MAGA vs. MAGA with a handful of others thrown in. That's what's holding us all hostage.

We should probably use "OKs" (Only Kevins) and "NKs" (never Kevins). Even then I'm not sure since I'm not convinced the NKs even have an alternative in mind so maybe OC - only chaos - would be better.

I have to admit it's funny readings some posts here call out "the establishment" when they're talking about Trump, Hannity, Jordan, and MTG. Seems that word has lost all meaning, or at the very least it's just a useless word thrown around by the right when someone disagrees with you.

Some things I think I think...

I think there's a lot of backroom deals going on. Look at Gym Jordan. In the weirdest of weirds he received a lot of votes from the NKs even tho he said he wouldn't accept and he's on the other (OK's) side. My guess is he was bought by McCarthy with the Judiciary Committee. MTG is also supporting McCarthy and even attacking Boebert on his behalf. It's not known what she's getting my my guess is she's been bought off as well.

We've been telling the GOP for years that hardline "negotiation" tactics don't work in a government body where you have competing interests with hundreds of millions of Americans. It astounds me that some people think you can just sit down at the table and dictate demands during a negotiation. They've obviously never negotiated before. It's made worse because they're doing it out of selfishness.

How will it end? I really have no idea. The NKs have no candidate which means they only want to obstruct without results. The OKs don't have the votes and are just humiliating the entire party by calling for more votes. Rinse and repeat.

McCarthy has given in to just about all of the NK's demands but he is nowhere closer to winning. He's weak and gives things away without concessions in return. Reminds me of Trump and the other NK - North Korea. At some point he needs to ask the NKs for what we call their, "best and final offer" which will force them to finally declare that they never intended to vote for him under any circumstance which would be a huge step in moving past this.

Who do I support? I'll go for the candidate who can deliver on a promise to pass a budget and not default on the debt. That would throw the US into a meltdown. I have too much to lose for a meltdown. The ones I see supporting it are generally people who don't have a pot to piss in and are unhappy with life. They have nothing to lose by dragging everyone else down. I don't care of it's McCarthy or Paul McCartney, as long as we don't burn the place down.

One silver lining is that there's still a chance the Democrats could step in to help elect McCarthy (or someone else who will raise the debt ceiling) in exchange for concessions. That reality gets closer with each useless vote, and soon McCarthy will have nothing left to give and the NKs still won't have a candidate.

The other silver lining is that Trump's influence is obviously diminished, or perhaps he has his own backroom deal to lay off the NKs in case they come out on top (whatever that is).

We warned you, GOP. But you didn't listen.

We've been telling the GOP for years that hardline "negotiation" tactics don't work in a government body where you have competing interests with hundreds of millions of Americans. It astounds me that some people think you can just sit down at the table and dictate demands during a negotiation. They've obviously never negotiated before. It's made worse because they're doing it out of selfishness.

That was Trump's whole MO. The problem is, they can't self reflect on how poor a leadership style that is, because in their delusion, they still think Trump is president, having been frauded in 2020.

We have at least 6 daily posters on this site who still think Trump won in 2020. It's funny watching them try to defend the lunacy.

I'm reminded of this post yesterday....

Then why are the MAGA folk opposing Kevin?

For a multitude of reasons. Personally, I want them to take their time, that’s good and if the RINO’s don’t like it, oh-well…..

So RINOs are Repubs supporting McCarthy....like this one Repub...

“REPUBLICANS, DO NOT TURN A GREAT TRIUMPH INTO A GIANT & EMBARRASSING DEFEAT. IT’S TIME TO CELEBRATE, YOU DESERVE IT. Kevin McCarthy will do a good job, and maybe even a GREAT JOB - JUST WATCH! VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY” - Donald Trump...

So according to this poster, the Ultra MAGA King is now a traitorous RINO... Interesting...

And things are really getting hot over at Fox...

*On one side stands Sean Hannity, who is urging the 20-or-so far-right holdouts to let Representative Kevin McCarthy claim the gavel. And on the other is Tucker Carlson, who has thrown his support behind that very group in an apparent pressure campaign to quash McCarthy’s bid.*

So this poster believes Sean Hannity is a RINO too...

Things sure seem to flip and flop in MAGA-world....

ROFLX2....

 The ones I see supporting it are generally people who don't have a pot to piss in and are unhappy with life. 

Russia and friends would be pretty happy to see us default on our debt payment obligations as well.

BlacklabelToday  08:36 am JST

We won. Sit quietly and wait while we handle what needs to be handled.

Our pace, our timeline, our priorities.

"We?" What's your connection to these people? Do you work for them in some capacity? I hope it isn't anything to do with PR or spin, if so they're not really getting their money's worth.

McCarthy flip flops by the hour, Dear Mr. McCarthy, pack it up and go back to Calif. for a while.

The saddest part of this is that he has already moved into the speakers office, enjoy the feeling then move out Sir.

It's nice to see the Republicans taking their time, and not acting like the sheep the Democrats are.

Because the Republicans won the House, the Democrats just have to play by the Republican rules.

Watch, wait, and wonder how the Democrats lost the House in the first place.

The Republicans here are privileged to be entertained to another day of wild and outlandish comments by the left and uninterested parties here.

That was Trump's whole MO.

It's older than that. Much older. 1990s California Republicans were like that, my way or the highway, annual government shutdowns when they would not compromise to pass a state budget.

Because the Republicans won the House, the Democrats just have to play by the Republican rules.

Maybe the Pubs will ban the popcorn the Dems have been bringing to watch this show. Of course the pubs would have to figure out a leader first, so I guess you're going to see a lot of democratic popcorn in the chamber.

That was Trump's whole MO

And wasn't Donald Trump supposed to be all about making the deal? Didn't he have all these "beautiful" deals? Maybe I missed something.

Trump supports McCarthy - says to "vote him in, now"

Jim Jordan says the Freedom Caucus should "lay aside their differences and get behind McCarthy."

But The Freedom Caucus says "no way are we voting for McCarthy"....

So who is right? Who is the true voice of MAGA? And who are the hated "establishment" and "RINOs"?

The other silver lining is that Trump's influence is obviously diminished, or perhaps he has his own backroom deal to lay off the NKs in case they come out on top (whatever that is).

We warned you, GOP. But you didn't listen.

The absolute funniest read of the morning. 

One silver lining is that there's still a chance the Democrats could step in to help elect McCarthy 

That would seal his fate and make him from that point a bigger liability than he already is.

Who do I support? I'll go for the candidate who can deliver on a promise to pass a budget and not default on the debt. That would throw the US into a meltdown. 

Now all of a sudden with spending $1.3 trillion on God knows what, giving our taxpayer money to Ukraine and God knows who else, literally blowing up and ignoring the out-of-control crisis along the border, crime rate through the roof, and claiming the police are the problem, this is the golden era for all criminals, a great time to be in if you are a thug, thinking Ukraine is a more serious problem than the homeless that is growing out of control. Yeah, we are already in a meltdown.

The NKs have no candidate which means they only want to obstruct without results. 

They have a few, but what they want is written and sworn securities and not having a House speaker that will compromise with the Democrats on subject matters that the public demands answers to.

We've been telling the GOP for years that hardline "negotiation" tactics don't work in a government body where you have competing interests with hundreds of millions of Americans.

They have always, always worked for the Democrats, but now for the GOP it doesn't work? Well, you just made my point for me as to why Donald's would be a better man to seriously negotiate with the Democrats without being an establishment sellout.

I think there's a lot of backroom deals going on.

Of course. That is exactly how politics works

Look at Jim Jordan. In the weirdest of weirds he received a lot of votes from the NKs even tho he said he wouldn't accept and he's on the other (OK's) side. My guess is he was bought by McCarthy with the Judiciary Committee.

Well, you don't know that, you are speculating.

MTG is also supporting McCarthy and even attacking Boebert on his behalf. It's not known what she's getting my my guess is she's been bought off as well.

I don't think she's bought out, I think she trusts Kevin and Boebert doesn't. Nancy didn't trust the Squad and vice versa, but they would put their differences aside to always make sure the party comes first. 

I have to admit it's funny readings some posts here call out "the establishment" when they're talking about Trump, 

That was the main reason why they hate the guy so much for not being a team-playing traditional Washington establishment minion.

People are saying MAGAs are the problem which is correct. McCarthy is MAGA, and so is his most famous supporter, Donald Trump. Ditto that for Sean Hannity, Gym Jordan, and MTG. So the leaders on McCarthy's side are all MAGAs.

Actually, it's the opposite, the establishment Washington slugs are the problem and McCarthy is part of that RINO establishment swamp that the NK wants to crush and I'm all for it. I love this, this is democracy unfolding in its purest form.

the establishment Washington slugs are the problem and McCarthy is part of that RINO establishment swamp

And Trump supported McCarthy. So does that mean MAGA is dead? Or is this like a snake eating itself?

So I guess that whole “cult” nonsense has been proven false huh? So many differing opinions, negotiations, concessions back and forth.

great to see government at work outside of the liberal one mind on everything hive.

don’t worry, Repubs have at least 2 years (-3 days) to go still. Plenty of time to see witnesses in chairs under oath.

Then you will flip flop and complain about our Congress functioning as intended.

Should have never went back and cozy with Trump after the Jan. 6th attack on the house.

I love this, this is democracy unfolding in its purest form.

Some people keep repeating this. It’s clearly incorrect. This is political terrorism. Nothing democratic about holding a whole country hostage for 3 days. Vanity and delusion in its purest form.

Unfortunately, the American system was set up to allow a tyranny of the minority, who can shut down the country even with only the support of 8% of the population.

we have what we have today-- a Republican-led House.

Led? By who?

Have you been following the news recently? It’s the biggest story right now, hard to miss.

There is only one exit path to this madness, and that is any republicans who are still able to at least see sanity, can come across the aisle, suck it up from having to work with the evil "libs", and choose an acceptable Republican leader. There must be one out there that the dems can stomach.

Some people keep repeating this. It’s clearly incorrect.

Like democracy, insurrection, and sedition, you are right, it is very correct.

This is political terrorism.

No, it is absolutely not, the Republicans have the absolute constitutional right to have a speaker that they can back and trust and Kevin for the most part is not that person, and if the Dems don't like it, think it's funny or whatever, doesn't matter, they don't control the House, so let them comment all day, it's just the typical left babble, no big deal

Nothing democratic about holding a whole country hostage for 3 days. Vanity and delusion in its purest form.

Naw, I think this should have been done long ago and they should do whatever it takes to pin Kevin where they want or pick a new speaker, but none of this appeasing and capitulation to the other side. This is democracy in its purest form.

holding a whole country hostage for 3 days

Drama queening much?

Is the “whole country” really being held “hostage” while the team who won decides who will lead them?

There must be one out there that the dems can stomach.

The great uniter Adam kinzinger is shockingly already on the air at CNN. /s

Actually, it's the opposite, the establishment Washington slugs are the problem and McCarthy is part of that RINO establishment swamp that the NK wants to crush and I'm all for it. I love this, this is democracy unfolding in its purest form.

Hmmmm....

Last year you called McCarthy a "Spineless RINO"...

But after Nov you were calling him the "New Speaker"...

And just a few weeks ago you were defending him and fully supporting his selection...

Now you're back to dissing him as part of the "RINO establishment"....

Flip-flop...

And I'm really glad to see you now believe Trump and Jordan, who both vocally back McCarthy, are nothing but "slugs" and "establishment RINOs"...

Tune in tomorrow for another 180 degree flip...ROFL...

The great uniter Adam kinzinger is shockingly already on the air at CNN

That's a good idea. The Dems only need 6 votes to make it happen. That actually seems a lot more plausible than McCarthy overcoming the MAGA gongshow.

Kurumazaka2.1: Lauren Boebert went on MSNBC last night and essentially said no one in republican leadership is acceptable.

I saw her on Hannity last night. Hannity put aside the usual smug smiles and exposed her. He asked her directly a half dozen times who she would support and she just kept talking around the answer. That's when I started to give more support to the opinion that they don't want a solution, they just want to capitalize off of a crisis they created.

And this won't be the last time.

That's when I started to give more support to the opinion that they don't want a solution, they just want to capitalize off of a crisis they created.

Boebert is getting paid in likes and retweets.

He had it coming and I already had some good laughs while eating my popcorns but this isn’t even funny anymore…; a normal person would’ve given up by now…; this desperation for power is extremely embarrassing…; this is now a pathetic little show…;

smh

Last year you called McCarthy a "Spineless RINO"...

But after Nov you were calling him the "New Speaker"...

Yes to both.

And just a few weeks ago you were defending him and fully supporting his selection...

Yes, but I never trusted the guy.

Now you're back to dissing him as part of the "RINO establishment"....

Flip-flop...

No flip-flop, nothing changed, but if there is an opportunity that someone will challenge him, that is music to my ears, so yes, I would support an alternative.

And I'm really glad to see you now believe Trump and Jordan, who both vocally back McCarthy, are nothing but "slugs" and "establishment RINOs"...

I never said, nor implied that, I don't even believe that, these men can support Kevin if they want, doesn't change my support for them, I just disagree with their choice.

Tune in tomorrow for another 180 degree flip...ROFL...

Unlike the left, we're not a collective. Again, love this, Kevin should be challenged.

The GOP is the party of excuses.

Republicans have the absolute constitutional right to have a speaker that they can back and trust

Who would that be though? The holdouts have been wildly inconsistent in each round of voting in who they are backing instead of McCarthy, switching from one seemingly random candidate to another with no discernible rhyme or reason to it other than “anyone but McCarthy”. The last round they seemed to coalesce around another guy named Kevin solely to troll McCarthy.

That's when I started to give more support to the opinion that they don't want a solution, they just want to capitalize off of a crisis they created.

And this won't be the last time.

I thought the woman stood her ground and good on her for not buckling, never give in to your political convictions. The woman gets my deepest props.

The GOP is the party of excuses.

Hilarious coming from the left. ROFL!

never give in to your political convictions

Wise words, Bass.

bass4funk

The GOP is the party of excuses.

Hilarious coming from the left. ROFL!

Except I'm not from the left.

What do you call on Day#3 that one Day#1 was an “Epic fail”….”Utter humiliation”….”Absolute disaster”…

You call it another day in MAGA-world...

I'm also seeing an interesting parallel here...

Trump tells them the vaccine is "safe and it works".....the MAGA-faithful tell him "that's a lie and it's poison"....

Trump tells them to vote for McCarthy and that it's a "win"...the MAGA-faithful tell him that's a lie and McCarthy is poison"....

I wonder how much more poison Trump will tell them to take before they turn him off?

And someone really needs to put DeSantis on the spot and ask him which side he supports...does he support the MAGA-crazies or the RINOs?

McCarthy has tried everything and has nothing to show for it. Shows just how much disarray and disunity there is in the party. It's on display for the entire world to see.

Except I'm not from the left.

Hmmm...

here’s hoping he throws his hat in the ring.

No, stay there and he can finally allow his emotions to run wild on that network

Trump tells them the vaccine is "safe and it works".....the MAGA-faithful tell him "that's a lie and it's poison"....

Trump tells them to vote for McCarthy and that it's a "win"...the MAGA-faithful tell him that's a lie and McCarthy is poison"....

so not a cult then, huh?

and…

” Kevin loses 11th bid for Speaker of the House “

…

…

so not a cult then, huh?

It's a cult that got so high on their drugs, they forgot who their leader is.

Blacklabel - one more day for your prediction to come true (end of week), 8 more days for mine. I am hoping a deal can be made. I can't imagine this going on for another week, but I have been wrong many times before.

Blacklabel - one more day for your prediction to come true (end of week), 8 more days for mine

I was basing mine on lazy politicians wanting to go home for the weekend. so the around midnight vote on Friday night along with all the food deliveries and other breathless drama to act like they are working.

But then again they could just vote to adjourn for the entire weekend I guess. One of us is right likely, I would assume its an end of a week type thing.

StrangerlandToday  10:03 am JST

It's a cult that got so high on their drugs, they forgot who their leader is.

Is that 15, or 16?

Last year you called McCarthy a "Spineless RINO"...

But after Nov you were calling him the "New Speaker"...

Yes to both.

Thanks for admitting you're a hypocrite...even though your posts already proved it...

And just a few weeks ago you were defending him and fully supporting his selection...

Yes, but I never trusted the guy.

More admission....

Now you're back to dissing him as part of the "RINO establishment"....

Flip-flop...

No flip-flop,

"I supported him, but now I don't"...the definition of a flip-flop...

And I'm really glad to see you now believe Trump and Jordan, who both vocally back McCarthy, are nothing but "slugs" and "establishment RINOs"...

I never said, nor implied that,

You said it in black and white above - both support McCarthy - you said that only the "slugs" and "RINOs in the establishment swamp" support him...

Tune in tomorrow for another 180 degree flip...ROFL...

Unlike the left, we're not a collective.

True, the Repubs have shown they're a bunch of clowns and bumblers that can't even accomplish Job #1 on Day#1....and that the next two years will be nothing but Repub internecine warfare...

Looking forward to it...ROFL...

If these losers can pull their heads out of their a$$e$ long enough to vote a speaker by Friday the 13th, I'd be amazed. We're seeing peak GOP dysfunction right now.

Thanks for admitting you're a hypocrite...even though your posts already proved it...

That's your take, I disagree

More admission....

No, it is exactly how I explained it, no distortions.

"I supported him, but now I don't"...the definition of a flip-flop...

Not a flip-flop, you can have dinner with your ex and NOT trust her. 

True, the Repubs have shown they're a bunch of clowns

They have shown that democracy is ugly and unlike the lemming Democrats, the GOP are not a monolithic group bowing to the leader supreme.

and bumblers that can't even accomplish Job #1 on Day#1....

That is ok, get the bad stuff out of the way, don't appease and take the job just to have a job.

and that the next two years will be nothing but Repub internecine warfare...

Looking forward to it...ROFL...

Democracy and infighting are good, that keeps them and possibly Kevin on his toes and shows more accountability to hold this admin too. So I look forward to the brawls myself.

Eleven defeats! Do I see twelve?

Drain the swamp.

Not a flip-flop

Ummmm . . .

Anatomy of a MAGA flip flop à la bass4funk:

This is why Kevin is better for the job, he can walk and chew gum unlike the others. He can deal with this mess and with investigations

--December 18, 2022

—Kevin doesn't have the votes

He will

--December 19, 2022

the buck stops with McCarthy

--January 2

the establishment Washington slugs are the problem and McCarthy is part of that RINO establishment swamp that the NK wants to crush and I'm all for it.

--January 6

Wow. Just wow.

McCarthy is a joke, yes?

democracy is ugly and unlike the lemming Democrats, the GOP are not a monolithic group bowing to the leader supreme.

I take it that if McCarthy becomes speaker you will stick to your current position and call him a RINO swamp creature. Being the independent thinker that you are.

Or will you flip flop back to the other side?

swear in elected members 

I wonder WHETHER Republican George Santos will be sworn in or IF he'll be in jail in Brazil for the crimes he committed there. Santos might be an even bigger liar than TPG45 or Ted Cruz, two of the most dishonest politicians in US history, and Republicans are so desperate they protect him. But if Santos can help the R's do further damage to the country, weaken it more, so China and Russia can get even stronger, they don't care. How long until Santos gets money from the foreign sources that have backed other Republican pols.

 --claimed he was not only 'better than Washington and Lincoln', but also 'clairvoyant,

He said nothing of the sort.

He did:

“Hello everyone, this is Donald Trump, hopefully your favorite president of all time - better than Lincoln, better than Washington.”

December 15, 2022

"the Brilliant, Clairvoyant, and USA LOVING Donald J. Trump"

Trump's Christmas greeting, 2022

And there I was thinking that the Tory party was the barometer of craziness.

My mistake.

@plasticmonkey

Accurate and it shows the Republicans have no principles beyond one-upsmanship and a drive for influence and money.

That goes for McCarthy, the Freedom Caucus and the local MAGA reps.

Amazing how the democratic socialist contingent in Congress always come out as the most principled and having concrete policy goals that would be of immense benefit to the average American.

@PTownsend

Republicans should acknowledge their crony ridiculousness and just do it.

George Santos for Speaker of the House.

the Republicans have no principles beyond one-upsmanship and a drive for influence and money.

The weirdos pulling this stunt are a mix of performance artist attention hounds with no real political future (e.g. Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert), genuine demolitionists who do not believe in government or governance (e.g. Scott Perry), and anti-democratic fascists (e.g. Paul Gosar).

McCarthy and any Republican to the more "reasonable" side of him are without a doubt driven by more mundane interests--influence and money.

"All right, but here's the thing: If you pick Jim ... it just shows how insincere the insurrectionists are. ... Er, I probably shouldn't use that word — the people who don't want to vote for Kevin McCarthy," before agreeing on the label "saboteurs" instead.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/brian-kilmeade-republicans-mccarthy-insurrectionists

My, my....this must be Biden or Nancy or Schiff calling these Repubs "insurrectionists" and saboteurs"....strong words...

But nope, it's Fox News Repub talking head and Trump-worshipper Brian Kilmeade....

Fox News calling the Freedom Caucus Repubs insurrectionists and saboteurs...

I guess Trump sided with the insurrectionists on Jan 6th but stands with the RINOs today...

ROFL...

“The creatures outside looked from swamp creature to MAGA insurrectionist, and from MAGA insurrectionist to swamp creature, and from swamp creature to MAGA insurrectionist again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

--George Orwell, Animal Farm

"The GOP is the self-loathing party."

--Rich Lowry, conservative pundit

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/01/04/the-gop-is-the-self-loathing-party-00076328

Three days, eleven votes....and each day and every vote DEM Jeffries got more votes for Speaker than REPUB McCarthy...in the new REPUB-majority House...

If that's not dysfunction, disarray, and humiliation, nothing is...

Keep it up Repubs - America is watching....

ROFL...

This Republican comedy has everything, a goofy election denier who wants to be leader, the hysterical Marjorie Taylor Greene and a crazy former president. What a mess and it’s all on public display! And these people think they’re capable to lead?! What a joke!

We have a new nominee for Speaker since the morning obsession session:

“ Donald John Trump”

What comedy...and this is supposed to be an example to the world.

Politics in the USA is greatly flawed. I don't think any thoughtful American would say anything else.

There are some really great ideas and protections in the US Constitution, but the 2-party system that naturally became the only way to get elected to any office of consequence is badly broken. Sadly, the people who can change it got into power abusing that system, so they will never force a change.

There are better and worse democracies in the world. The key framers of the US Constitution thought it needed to be re-written every 20 yrs to correct problems that couldn't be foreseen and just to keep up with current needs of a generation.

Alas, I don't see the current yahoos in power allowing any necessary changes, because it would upset to many of their corporate donors. Companies that are doing well, don't like change, any change, and under the current US political donation system, they are allowed to effectively buy votes from representatives. Congress likes being courted by people/companies with huge wallets. "Fact finding" trips to Hawaii or Costa Rica paid for by the big wallets are more fun than trying to get small, individual, donors to buy coffee for a political business office.

When Trump gets the gavel

lol

With about 6 reps going on record as saying they would never vote for McCarthy, a deal with Democrats looks more likely.

I take it that if McCarthy becomes speaker you will stick to your current position and call him a RINO swamp creature.

Why wait, I think so of him currently.

Being the independent thinker that you are.

Bingo!

Or will you flip flop back to the other side?

I never do.

The world is highly amused and the popcorn sellers are making a profit.

How about a lottery, first name out of the hat?

The world is highly amused and the popcorn sellers are making a profit.

And that’s a good thing.

I think so of him currently.

When did you decide that McCarthy was a RINO swamp creature? When he couldn't get the votes?

Is this similar to the "evolution" you had about Trump (but in reverse), pivoting to his side when he appeared likely to win?

When did you decide that McCarthy was a RINO swamp creature?

Always

Is this similar to the "evolution" you had about Trump (but in reverse), pivoting to his side when he appeared likely to win?

No, been consistent.

With about 6 reps going on record as saying they would never vote for McCarthy,

Or alternatively it’s….just not McCarthy. It’s not mandatory to be only him.

bass4funk

if McCarthy is Rino why did you post so many comments supporting his election to the speaker of the house?

What bass was really trying to say way back in November/December:

"This is why the RINO swamp creature is better for the job."

"The RINO swamp creature will get to 218, relax."

"Give the RINO swamp creature a chance, he'll manage us well."

Well, you know what they say:

"Twelfth time's the charm!"

if McCarthy is Rino why did you post so many comments supporting his election to the speaker of the house?

Because I know he’s pretty much the only one no one really wants that job for the kind of stress.

When does kevin start the “walk and chew gum” bit?

"This is why the RINO swamp creature is better for the job."

Yes, with the proper concessions, I do believe so.

"The RINO swamp creature will get to 218, relax."

Yes or close enough

"Give the RINO swamp creature a chance, he'll manage us well."

With that hot poker ready to prove, I believe so.

Bass: Because I know he’s pretty much the only one who will take that job

So what happens when the only one who will take the job can't get enough votes? What's the way out?

Yes, with the proper concessions

You're telling McCarthy to appease you or else you won't vote for him because you don't like they fact he appeases?

I gets he gets an exception when he's dealing with your side ("your side" at the time of this writing.)