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More masks, less play: Europe tightens rules as virus surges

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The average age of a Covid 19 death is over 80.

There is not a case for lockdowns but there is a case for shielding the vulnerable.

Forcing people into poverty is not the answer.

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With the colder weather, fewer people are choosing to bare arms in protest.

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Biggest problem in Europe is that 90% of the people refuse to wear masks.

The other problem is that all borders are open and people can travel wherever they want.

So it is easy to bring the Virus from a higher hit country to your own home country.

In my opinion, if the Europeans conducts strictly their own best prevention, like using sanitizers, wearing masks, keep social distance, and wash your hands regular the cases would not rise like that.

But like I said, most of the Europeans refuse masks (for whatever reason), don't use sanitizers (complaining about dry skin on hands), no social distance (they like to party with 100 of peoples)...and so on

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Wait, what? I thought all the pro-EU/anti-Brexit posters on JT have been telling us for years how things are so much better and more advanced on the continent under the sagacious and benevolent rule of the EU? Why is Covid so out of control over there, what's going on?

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Wait, what? I thought all the pro-EU/anti-Brexit posters on JT have been telling us for years how things are so much better and more advanced on the continent under the sagacious and benevolent rule of the EU? Why is Covid so out of control over there, what's going on?

Hah, as compared to America, which is diseased, riddled with civil unrest, has armed protestors marching the streets, in which literally no group is happy except maybe the Amish?

Europe in its worst days is a dream in comparison.

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Even Fox "news" is realizing that masks are important, and that Trump's response to the Trump Virus has been a complete and utter failure:

Coronavirus caused two-thirds of US excess deaths: study

Link: https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-us-excess-deaths-study

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I just wish people would wear masks , I mean seriously what is the issue?

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Monty:

Biggest problem in Europe is that 90% of the people refuse to wear masks.

I don't know whether it's 90%, but it sure is true that too many Europeans (and people in English-speaking countries) won't wear masks unless they absolutely have to, and then drop them as soon as they can.

The other problem is that all borders are open and people can travel wherever they want.

Yes, that is a problem that too many European countries have refused to address seriously or consistently.

So it is easy to bring the Virus from a higher hit country to your own home country.

Yes. Easy. And they do. Witness the ill-advised early relaxation of tourist travel in a number of European countries, leading to an almost instant upsurge in cases.

In my opinion, if the Europeans conducts strictly their own best prevention, like using sanitizers, wearing masks, keep social distance, and wash your hands regular the cases would not rise like that.

But they won't do it, unless Governments take more drastic measures to compel them to do so.

But like I said, most of the Europeans refuse masks (for whatever reason), don't use sanitizers (complaining about dry skin on hands), no social distance (they like to party with 100 of peoples)...and so on

Leading to 700, 000 new cases in a week (and more deaths to come), an outcome that was entirely predictable given Europeans' unwillingness to follow the basic safety measures you've outlined.

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Wait, what? I thought all the pro-EU/anti-Brexit posters on JT have been telling us for years how things are so much better and more advanced on the continent 

The article is about Europe, not the EU. (They're not the same). Read it again, Britain is one of the four mentioned as accounting for more than half the new infections in Europe, together with France, Russia (not in the EU last I heard) and Spain.

Ironically the worst-hit part of the UK is the North, whose anti-EU, normally Labour voters defected en masse to Bozo's Nasty Party at the last election and are now having stronger restrictions imposed than the rest of the country.

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Stranger

Just to show how selective citations can be - here is the alternative view on Fox "news".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/is-there-a-pro-mask-orthodoxy-emerging-among-scientists/vi-BB19ZImm

Lincoln.  so you are saying wearing a mask would have saved the 2 (??) people you mention's lives?  Or that just supporting Trump or being in a crowd is a killer? 

Seems like a stretch.

My guess is we are going have to learn to live with this "killer" (??) virus for years to come.  If that means wearing a mask when told to or whatever, that may be a small price to pay.  But evidence would seem to suggest it is more by way of behavioral gesture than having any real medical efficacy.

Plus going to negate all the CCTV and make the work of the police (if they are not totally defanged) harder.

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if the selfish people dont even know how to protect themselves and others around them by wearing a mask, under the hypocrite umbrella of "freedom", then let them get infected with the virus. they deserved it

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Lincoln. so you are saying wearing a mask would have saved the 2 (??) people you mention's lives? Or that just supporting Trump or being in a crowd is a killer?

That's what you said. I say Trump knew the virus was a "killer", "deadly", and "like the plague" in Feb and Mar, but told the American people it was "the flu" and "disappearing"....  What do you say?

Seems like a stretch.

Yes, a line of over 214K dead Americans does stretch fairly long...

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There is not a case for lockdowns but there is a case for shielding the vulnerable.

You can't "shield" the vulnerable unless you tackle the disease across society. You can't tackle the disease across society unless EVERYONE pulls their weight. That means some restrictions for everyone, until a vaccine is found or Covid-19 is otherwise beaten.

There is no credible case for "shielding the vulnerable", but there is a case for lockdowns.

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Europeans are individualistic, they do not buy government orders all the time. How long will this 'More masks, Less pay' last before they start to protest again?

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I don't believe I said anything......

so if all 214k had worn a mask they wouldn't have died?

Also I seem to remember that everyone was saying that it wouldn't be so bad.  But Trump actually took some action.

But I guess hindsight is a beautiful thing.

whatever the rules on masks, seems clear they will not save every possible victim/.

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Not a Trump supporter or voter.

Wasn't trying to paraphrase.  Was just asking a question.

Everyone said it was just the flu. Or nothing to worry about.   And he did take steps so not sure what else was expected.

Yes another infected.  and another 300 odd not infected........  not sure what that proves.

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But like I said, most of the Europeans refuse masks (for whatever reason), don't use sanitizers (complaining about dry skin on hands), no social distance (they like to party with 100 of peoples)...and so on

You said 90% refuse to wear masks - are you able to provide evidence for this? As far as I am aware, most Europeans do wear masks quite willingly. It is in the US where we get all these videos if adults throwing fits in shopping malls over masks.

Yes, there is a small minority who refuse to wear them - usually members of the radical right, but most don't.

No one likes using sanitizers, but these are also widely used. Not sure where you are getting your information from. I guess facts are optional.

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Research in the UK showed that 75% of people in quarantine were not doing so correctly.

I have no idea what the figure is for Japan but I guess its a lot lower than that.

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Not a Trump supporter or voter.

Good...

Wasn't trying to paraphrase. Was just asking a question.

What you posted was; "So what you are saying is"... If that's not paraphrasing, what is it?

Everyone said it was just the flu. Or nothing to worry about.  And he did take steps so not sure what else was expected.

Really? Then why did Trump tell Woodward it was a "killer" and "deadly"?

Yes another infected. and another 300 odd not infected........ not sure what that proves.

It proves it was a super-spreader event...according to CDC criteria...

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so if all 214k had worn a mask they wouldn't have died?

If everyone had worn masks and kept their distance (=no packed rallies) many of the 214K may not have died.

Everyone said it was just the flu. Or nothing to worry about.

No, everyone did not say it was 'just the flu'. Failed 'leaders' like Trump, Bolsonaro and, until he got a dose of it himself, Bozo, said it was 'just the flu'. Other countries were imposing travel restrictions, closing schools, etc. in February/March.

Invalid CSRF

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Political affiliations aside, Johnson is the last Prime Minister I’ve seen in my lifetime you’d want in charge of a situation like this. I’d easily take May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major or Thatcher over Johnson to deal with this.

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It’s incredible that the WHO is saying that masks aren’t effective.

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It’s incredible that the WHO is saying that masks aren’t effective.

I can't find that on the WHO website. Where are you seeing it? All I'm seeing is their page on how to effectively use masks: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

It wouldn't surprise me if turns out you were just repeating fake right-wing news from the bubble.

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It wouldn't surprise me if turns out you were just repeating fake right-wing news from the bubble.

Yeah, I think if we just read that poster's use of the word "incredible" literally, i.e. as "not credible" then we might be on the right track.

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