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Mosque shooter charged with murder; NZ PM Ardern promises to reform gun laws

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and will the loonies be taking any notice of revised laws?

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and will the loonies be taking any notice of revised laws?

Doesn't matter if the supply is severely restricted. The Australian dude was clearly a loony, but nobody took notice of that.

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My image of New Zealand was a safe country, but it is changed now after this terrorist attack on innocent Muslim worshipper.

Hope New Zealand govt. will take steps to curb such act of terrorism.

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and will the loonies be taking any notice of revised laws?

Going by Australia's experience, there are huge benefits to be had with more stringent gun laws, ie benefits beyond extremism cases.

Australia reduced guns in circulation, increased scrutiny on gun licensing, AND banned powerful guns.

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@Schopenhauer, don't blame faiths, blame the politicians and nutcases on the fringes who are too inadequate to command respect, and so have to resort to divisions to feel adequate.

Access to powerful weapons should NOT be readily available to these inadequate nutcases.

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This guy was not mentally unstable. He knew what he was doing and was driven by hate. Let’s call him what he is and that’s a terrorist; no more excuses for white terrorists please!

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On guns, the NZ response is what you SHOULD see when gun massacres are committed -- stricter laws on guns -- unlike in the US where we know many gun-nutters are probably holding their many guns right now and I have no doubt some are watching the live Stream of the massacre to check out the effects of similar derangement. And Trump has to be pretty butt hurt; the mass-murderer here cites Trump as an inspiration for his hate -- clearly inspiring his white nationalist bent -- but as not being smart or good enough to be a leader. Ouch. This massacre is horrible on so many levels, and yet still many Americans, their so-called leader included, refuse to recognize not only the growing threat of white nationalism, but their role in helping it become that. Trump is definitely in part to blame for this.

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It took our own episode of mass murder in Australia, the Port Arthur shootings by Martin Bryant, for Australia to act on gun control. I'd always kind of assumed NZ's laws were just like ours, but it seems not. It would obviously (to most of us) seem like a good idea for NZ to now enact laws like Australia's, but I expect New Zealand will have the usual shrill chorus of shooters trying to claim any tightening of the laws are an infringement of their personal liberties and parroting the same old same old anti gun control arguments such as "it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people".

NZ PM Jacinta Ardern should stand firm against any opposition, and bring in legislation to make it impossible for anyone to buy guns such as this killer bought. She'll have the vast majority of the NZ people behind her, that's for sure.

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Now you all know why this happened in New Zealand. He could not buy these kinds of weapons in Australia. I read through snippets of his manifesto and this was a revenge attack for the Muslim terrorist attacks in Australia, Europe and Britain. Of course he had delusions of being a white supremest as well. Hopefully, this will result in much stricter gun controls similar to those in Australia. However, this does not mean Australian society is totally gun-free. When the gun buy-back was initiated in the mid-90’s the slogan for pro-gun lobby was, “If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns”, which is quite true. However, anybody caught with illegal firearms faces severe penalties and jail time.

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Extreme White Christian Terrorists! Until they acknowledge that this exists, this problem will continue. The dude wasn't even from New Zeland. That right their makes him a terrorist!

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Extreme White Christian Terrorists! Until they acknowledge that this exists, this problem will continue. The dude wasn't even from New Zeland. That right their makes him a terrorist

While this is very true, most are loners, most aren’t in larger group cells, but I do think worldwide these extremists are growing and the authorities need to take a look deeper into these groups, it should never be overlooked, but I do have a feeling as long as many countries don’t get a strong hold on their immigration policies, this might be just the beginning, I hope not, but Europe can’t ignore it’s huge immigration problem.

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New Zealand has always been a peaceful paradise in the Pacific. A place of tolerance and acceptance. This has been shattered today by hatred and the ugliness of xenophobia and islamophobia. 

The deranged manifesto that was released and the videoing of the attack further highlights the delusion of right wing extremism that appears to be rising to the surface across the globe. That this is aided and abetted by right wing shock jocks and the demands for extreme freedom of speech is appalling and defies common decency.

That it happened in a peaceful country such as NZ seems to make it all so much worse...

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Traditionally farmers have shotguns for hunting and stray dogs and cats, and other pest species, but at what point did sixteen year olds and above need semi automatic, bump-stock machine type guns ?

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Apparently there is no limit to the number of guns you can buy in NZ as long as you have a license but it would have been almost impossible to have acquired such weapons in Australia with their strict gun laws. Anyway sounds like these nutters wanted to be caught so they can have their day in court and spew forth their warped ideas while in prison for the rest of their lives.

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Do as much as possible to get these filthy devices off the streets.

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as long as many countries don’t get a strong hold on their immigration policies, this might be just the beginning, I hope not, but Europe can’t ignore it’s huge immigration problem.

In other words, you're blaming immigration policy for the hateful actions of white nationalists. As if different ethnicities cannot coexist peacefully.

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It's interesting to note that the word "racist" only seems to apply to "White" people who attack and kill people of different ethnic origin. Attacks by moslems in Australia,some resulting in non-moslems being killed,never attract the same language.

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bass4funk: "it should never be overlooked, but I do have a feeling as long as many countries don’t get a strong hold on their immigration policies, this might be just the beginning, I hope not, but Europe can’t ignore it’s huge immigration problem."

Why? The immigrants did ZERO wrong here. It was a white person who entered from another country,

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@CrazyJoe - New Zealand has always been a peaceful paradise in the Pacific. 

Wow! You've obviously never been to New Zealand and know very little about the history. It is true that New Zealand does not have a history of terrorism. However, it is far from the peaceful paradise you describe it as. Check the Maori treaty for starters and then watch the movie 'Once were warriors' to get a real idea of the culture of New Zealand.

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Attacks by moslems in Australia, some resulting in non-moslems being killed,never attract the same language.

Can you call someone racist because they attack people who are not Muslim? It seems like you think only non-Muslims are White or only Muslims are people of color.

This statement says more about the way you think or what you don't know than anything else!

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bass4funk: "it should never be overlooked, but I do have a feeling as long as many countries don’t get a strong hold on their immigration policies, this might be just the beginning, I hope not, but Europe can’t ignore it’s huge immigration problem."

Like Whites coming from another majority White country, that person then decides to commit a heinous mass killing! Irony is wasted on the stupid!

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but I do have a feeling as long as many countries don’t get a strong hold on their immigration policies, this might be just the beginning, I hope not, but Europe can’t ignore it’s huge immigration problem.

Blame the victims, legal immigrants.

Illegal immigration into Europe has fallen with many there also returning home.

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watch the movie 'Once were warriors' to get a real idea of the culture of New Zealand.

Oh please. We have problems like any other nation, but this movie hardly describes the culture on NZ.

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Wow! You've obviously never been to New Zealand and know very little about the history. It is true that New Zealand does not have a history of terrorism. However, it is far from the peaceful paradise you describe it as. Check the Maori treaty for starters and then watch the movie 'Once were warriors' to get a real idea of the culture of New Zealand.

A treaty signed nearly 200 years ago and a movie gives you a "real idea" of NZ's culture? lmao

Like any country, NZ has its share of problems, but up until this incident, "peaceful" was a very appropriate word to use to describe it.

Source: Am from NZ

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Like any country, NZ has its share of problems, but up until this incident, "peaceful" was a very appropriate word to use to describe it.

I agree, NZ is peaceful, in the context of no conflict like say in Yemen, Afghanistan, etc.

I also agree with those who thinks NZ is not peaceful, because in terms of civil law and order, it isn't. Massively under resourced is just the beginning. Here, from the horse's mouth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/whats-it-like-being-a-cop-in-new-zealand/15855403/The-highs-and-lows-of-policing-in-New-Zealand

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I'm beyond sickened by the blame-gaming going around on all types of media about this topic.

To try to associate immigration, such as in a way Senator Fraser Anning did, deserves nothing but the utmost of condemnation. By all means have the discussion but not inside the contexts of this shameful act that has happened, and in no means try to link it to the events of yesterday afternoon. Have some decency. Stop and think about this. These people are immigrants who migrated LEGALLY.

To try to deflect blame and say "the leftists made him do it", is beyond reprehensible.

I am personally not an advocate of large scale immigration nor the Islamic faith, but I repeatedly stress that at any time absolutely no individual, regardless of gender, racial background, religious identity, nor political belief "deserves" the kind of fate that befell people in Christchurch yesterday afternoon.

No person deserves such a fate, anywhere in existence, regardless of his or her views differing to mine, or to anyone elses'.

To try to portray a group of unarmed women, elderly and infirm, and the very young, given that there have been gunshot wound victims as young as one year old as a threat when all they were doing was legally congregating in a common building practicing a common belief that is different than your own puts any argument you make into serious question.

It's high time to draw the line in the sand - if you want to be heard, then you have to be prepared to listen to another's wish to be heard.

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well, not saying it's a bad thing to limit the availability of weapons, but.....

I reckon that if someone is of a mind to do this sort of thing, then they'll find a way, since they are in a pretty extreme state of mind....

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Sh1mon: "For those that can read, this is the reason for this tragedy (published June 2017):"

Well, in that case, Trump definitely won't get it. And then the Trumpers won't, either, and the causes of this will continue.

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In other words, you're blaming immigration policy for the hateful actions of white nationalists. As if different ethnicities cannot coexist peacefully.

For some people, it always the outsiders that are to be blamed.

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My heart goes out to all of New Zealand. In my time there, I felt as safe as I ever have. This is an awful event, but in no way represents the Kiwis concern for the safety of all citizens. In the U.S. there are 17k violent acts that lead to death each year and our government has limited to no concern for our safety unless we are rich.

Here in America this would just be our weekly massacre. My condolences to the people of New Zealand.

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I reckon that if someone is of a mind to do this sort of thing, then they'll find a way, since they are in a pretty extreme state of mind....

Maybe true, but semi-automatic weapons are very efficient tools for massacres in buildings.

They were created with the purpose of drilling holes in people from a distance. That’s why soldiers carry guns rather than meat cleavers.

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It was more about hate towards a religion than hate towards a race. Very similar to the hateful killings towards Christians recently in Egypt and Indonesia. All hate. A sad story.

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Be alert to Copycat attempts , we each of us are responsible no matter where we live

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The blood is on his ( Trump's ) hands

Sure, lincolnman. Anything you say. ( roll eyes )

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Pay attention, USA!

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@Cosmos1

Be alert to Copycat attempts , we each of us are responsible no matter where we live

Responsible for what?

@mukashiyokatta

Pay attention, USA!

Agreed. USA should be on alert for GUN GRABBERS. The 2nd Amendment shall not be infringed upon. If you hate guns, don't live in the US. If you don't live in the US now, keep your mouth shut if you're not a citizen, non-voter.

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