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N Korea dismisses Trump's threat; says only 'absolute force' can work with him

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North Korea on Wednesday officially dismissed President Donald Trump's threats of "fire and fury," declaring the American leader "bereft of reason" and warning ominously, "Only absolute force can work on him."

In a statement carried by state media, General Kim Rak Gyom, who heads North Korea's rocket command, also said his country was "about to take" military action near the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam. He said the North would finalize a plan by mid-August to fire four mid-range missiles hitting waters 30 to 40 kilometers (19 to 25 miles) away from the island.

The plan will then go to the commander in chief of North Korea's nuclear force and "wait for his order," Kim was quoted by KCNA as saying. He called it a "historic enveloping fire at Guam."

The statement only served to escalate tensions further in a week that has seen a barrage of threats from both sides. While nuclear confrontation still seems incredibly remote, the comments have sparked deep unease in the United States, Asia and beyond.

A day after evoking the use of overwhelming U.S. military might, Trump touted America's atomic supremacy. From the New Jersey golf resort where he's vacationing, he tweeted that his first order as president was to "renovate and modernize" an arsenal that is "now far stronger and more powerful than ever before."

It was a rare public flexing of America's nuclear might. And Trump's boasting only added to the confusion over his administration's approach to dealing with North Korea's expanding nuclear capabilities on a day when his top national security aides wavered between messages of alarm and reassurance.

If Trump's goal with two days of tough talk was to scare North Korea, Kim, the commander, put that idea quickly to rest. He called Trump's rhetoric a "load of nonsense" that was aggravating a grave situation.

"Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him," the KNCA report quoted him saying.

Kim said the Guam action would be "an effective remedy for restraining the frantic moves of the U.S. in the southern part of the Korean peninsula and its vicinity."

Guam lies about 2,100 miles (3,400 kilometers) from the Korean Peninsula, and it's extremely unlikely Kim's government would risk annihilation with a pre-emptive attack on U.S. citizens. It's also unclear how reliable North Korea's missiles would be against such a distant target, but no one was writing off the danger completely.

The new specificity from Pyongyang about its plans for a potential attack came as Trump and his top national security aides delivered contrasting messages over North Korea's expanding nuclear capabilities.

As international alarm escalated, Trump dug in on his threats of military action and posted video of his ultimatum to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

The suggestion that Trump has enhanced U.S. nuclear firepower was immediately disputed by experts, who noted no progress under Trump's presidency. Still, Trump tweeted, "Hopefully we will never have to use this power, but there will never be a time that we are not the most powerful nation in the world!"

The tweets did little to soothe concerns that Trump was helping push the standoff with North Korea into uncharted and even more dangerous territory. While the prospect of military action by either side appears slim, given the level of devastation that would ensue, Trump's talk Tuesday of "fire and fury like the world has never seen" compounded fears of an accident or misunderstanding leading the nuclear-armed nations into conflict.

This week, an official Japanese report and a classified U.S. intelligence document, the latter reported by The Washington Post, combined to suggest the North was closer to being able to strike the United States with a nuclear missile than previously believed. The U.S. document reportedly assessed that the North had mastered the ability to fit a nuclear warhead on its long-range missiles.

After North Korea issued its own warning that suggested it could attack Guam, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson sought to calm the sense of crisis.

Speaking earlier Wednesday on his way home from Asia, he credited Trump with sending a strong message to the North Korean leader on the "unquestionable" U.S. ability to defend itself, so as to prevent "any miscalculation." Tillerson insisted the U.S. isn't signaling a move toward military action, while it pursues a policy of sanctions and isolation of North Korea.

"Americans should sleep well at night," Tillerson told reporters. He added, "Nothing that I have seen and nothing that I know of would indicate that the situation has dramatically changed in the last 24 hours."

No sooner had Tillerson ratcheted down the rhetoric than Defense Secretary Jim Mattis ratcheted it back up.

Echoing Trump's martial tone, Mattis said North Korea should stand down its nuclear weapons program and "cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people." As seldom as it is for a president to speak of using nuclear missiles, the reference to the "destruction" of a foreign people is equally rare.

It was unclear, however, how serious to take all the war talk. Markets weren't rattled by the back-and-forth threats. Trump had no meetings on his schedule Wednesday. There were no indications from the Pentagon of urgent planning or new assets being hastily deployed to the Pacific region. And Tillerson even made a pre-scheduled refueling stop in Guam, the target of the North's purported military designs.

Trump's alarmist tone sparked criticism among his political opponents in the United States and concern among allies and partners in Asia - the very nations the United States would need to work with to avert a military showdown with North Korea.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said "reckless rhetoric is not a strategy to keep America safe." Fellow Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein said the situation needs diplomacy, "not saber rattling."

China, North Korea's increasingly alienated ally, cautioned all sides against "employing words or actions that could sharpen differences and escalate the situation."

One regular critic of Trump's foreign policy stood up for the president. Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican hawk, said he felt Trump wasn't bluffing with his threat of "fire and fury." Trump has "basically drawn a red line" by saying Pyongyang can't ever have a nuclear-tipped missile capable of striking the U.S., Grahamsaid.

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Likening the situation to the 1962 Cuban missile crisis that almost plunged the U.S. and Soviet Union into nuclear war, Gorka accused Trump's critics of being unpatriotic.

In 1962, the world had JFK to look to to.

In 2017, the world has Donald Trump to look to. I just hope the advice of Fox and Friends is wise and sound. Any suggestions on Twitter could be helpful too.

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If the US closed it's base in South Korea and moved all it's equipment and troops back home this would all end.

Tell me again why the US needs a base 10,000 miles away in a foreign country?

According to the constitution, the military's duty is to protect the US homeland from foreign invaders, not project power overseas.

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Gorka accused Trump's critics of being unpatriotic.

Lol the early 2000s called. They want the Iraq rhetoric back.

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The scenario is entirely different from Cuba.

The environment, situation and circumstances are totally different and misleading.

Trump is being "forced" and "hemmed" in by both international powers such as China and Russia using K Korea as "distraction" for their covert activities, while the US government both official and non-official are trying to undermine Trump. For all we know US "covert" groups are working with China and even Russia to discredit and force replacement of Trump as they are doing in the Middle East, Africa and Mediterranean with the Muslim crisis in EU.

For all we know it is a "distraction" funded by China and the Muslim countries and to "force" a limited war which will distract from covert actions elsewhere. And.., as a result "discredit" Trump and the US, making US the enemy of the world, because Trump dared to make US great again.

The problem is "conspiracy" is "real" and happening all the time. The key is for US to be "united" and not "divided" as it is being "designed" by both internal and external powers.

One is social-economic, and the other is social-religious group trying to undermine what has kept USA the world leader.

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Trump has "basically drawn a red line" by saying Pyongyang can't ever have a nuclear-tipped missile capable of striking the U.S., he said.


They likely already have that and may have tested it so I think Trump is saying that shouldn't make any more serious threats.

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Is there someone, anyone...Kelly, Mattis, Congress, the Supreme Court, his wife...that can tell this idiot to shut the **** up!!

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Oh my Trumps presidency is a disaster anything to take focus off the real issues...

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In 1962, the world had JFK to look to to. 

Boy, I could jump all over that one. LOL

Anyway, different world, different times and JFK was no Saint.

In 2017, the world has Donald Trump to look to. I just hope the advice of Fox and Friends is wise and sound. Any suggestions on Twitter could be helpful too.

Where do you get this crap Fox and Friends, if he watches it, so what? Hillary had CNN and Obama had msnbc, let these presidents watch what they want, doesn't bother me, doesn't hurt my pocket book.

*Is there someone, anyone...Kelly, Mattis, Congress, the Supreme Court, his wife...that can tell this idiot to shut the *** up!!

I think the left needs to seriously do that. The presidents top military advisers are studying the situation if great detail and in the meantime, Trump should keep the NoKos on their toes and off balance, brilliant.

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Kim Jong-un is unpredictable and a true war criminal, in the strictest sense. Nevertheless, there are some missing links in this war scare. A majority of silent Americans have paid more attention to Special Counselor Mueller's investigation into the Russian probe.

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Boy, I could jump all over that one. LOL

Anyway, different world, different times and JFK was no Saint.

I didn't say he was a saint. I just think someone like him would be preferable in this situation to a petulant, ignorant, man-child with bad approval ratings.

Give me a womanizer every time over this fart-lighting act.

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I didn't say he was a saint. I just think someone like him would be preferable in this situation to a petulant, ignorant, man-child with bad approval ratings.

As if the approval ratings are the fundamental building blocks for making a good president. Trump shouldn't care either way what the MSM thinks, they never liked him, so why worry, I wouldn't. 

Give me a womanizer every time over this fart-lighting act.

Kennedy or Clinton, perhaps?

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As if the approval ratings are the fundamental building blocks for making a good president. Trump shouldn't care either way what the MSM thinks, they never liked him, so why worry, I wouldn't. 

Sounds like a great way to piss off party rank and file, meaning good luck passing legislation. Also, a real good way to get impeached. Yeah,,, Trump's cowboy style ain't doing much.

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As if the approval ratings are the fundamental building blocks for making a good president. Trump shouldn't care either way what the MSM thinks, they never liked him, so why worry, I wouldn't.

Trump could see a dramatic military act as a way of improving his terrible approval ratings. It wouldn't be the first time a leader has tried to pull a stunt like this.

Kennedy or Clinton, perhaps?

Oh, yes. Particularly Clinton. A highly intelligent man who also happened to be the most gifted politician of our times. He's the kind of person you need in situations like this. His womanizing is irrelevant, as is Trump's less than saintly record with women.

What's needed here is knowledge, know how and a calm mind. To say Trump has these qualities would be enough to make a child ROFL.

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Sounds like a great way to piss off party rank and file, meaning good luck passing legislation. Also, a real good way to get impeached.

Oh, poo! The obstrutionist Democrats had Trump in their crosshairs since the day he was inaugurated, so why should he care now, makes no sense.

Yeah,,, Trump's cowboy style ain't doing much.

Except keeping the NK on notice. Being stern and unpredictable helps. Kudos!

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I would rather think that if NK fires missiles over Japan and towards Guam I would expect that, if the anti-missile systems work well they are going to be used. BBC seems to agree that China won't have much interest in helping wind down the situation. Which is a problem because that makes it more likely that the situation will escalate. Glad my niece didn't get that job on Guam!

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Ask Ms. Non-slim Kim who is bereft of reasoning. There have been many cultures that have sacrificed every family in hopes of dominating the known world. Jones' Town is a good example. Non-slim Kim is just another in the dynasty philosophy of life. The world was "one minute to destruction in the 60s and 70s. It is now "30 seconds to destruction."

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Trump descends to Kim's level.

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Oh, poo! The obstrutionist Democrats had Trump

Don't blame this on the minority party now. Lol

so why should he care now, makes no sense.

Cuz as his approval ratings continue to plummit, and they will, congress will be less willing to work with him. So, he's going to have a hard time getting bills passed.

And if his ratings get low enough the GOP will absolutely eat their own. Great way to get impeached, GOP won't stick their necks out for unpopular, inept leadership.

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Indeed.  NK should launch missiles against Guam to teach DT a lesson.  Makes perfect sense.

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For a madman, Kim Jong Un does have a point when he says Trump is a moron full of s**t who only responds to force.

Now the media is reporting that NK will launch future missile tests into waters off Guam. Trump's incompetence and astonishing stupidity has just directly put America as a prime target and endangered the national security of the country. There is no way back for him now

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Cuz as his approval ratings continue to plummit, and they will, congress will be less willing to work with him. So, he's going to have a hard time getting bills passed.

Not with his supporters, it's been pretty consistent

And if his ratings get low enough the GOP will absolutely eat their own. Great way to get impeached, GOP won't stick their necks out for unpopular, inept leadership.

Don't be too sure, you guys are bad at predicting things historically, that's why it's important to have a witch hunt in order to someway, somehow dislodge the president. Again, more tissue, bad for the environment.

Let's just see where this goes, Trump should get right in Kim's face, if he doesn't back down if it is perceived that he's going to launch an attack, that's the end of the nation.

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I would rather think that if NK fires missiles over Japan and towards Guam I would expect that, if the anti-missile systems work well they are going to be used.

if they work, exactly. We might find out if Kim, or whoever is calling the shots over there, decides to strike first.

The below is the direct translation from NK's website, the same NK official information used here but left out of this and other news releases, but not all.

We are going to pass the Shimane Prefecture, Hiroshima and Goshi development balls in Japan, and we will fly 3,356.7km in 1,065s, and Guam in 30 ~ 40km in the sea area .

The Strategic Group of the People's Forces of the DPRK will finish guiding the Guam until mid-August, report it to the Commander-in-Chief of the DPRK nuclear armed forces,

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About a hundred years ago, at the start of the Great War, both sides were saying "It'll be over by Christmas."

And when more cautious voices pointed out that human conflict was unpredictable, and fate played tricks , they were attacked as unpatriotic and lacking understanding regarding the sophistication of modern warfare.

What's changed?

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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's a shame that it's gone this far. The U.S. didn't allow the Cubans to have nukes on their island in order to maintain peace in its hemisphere. China has done the opposite by allowing the N. Koreans to do this. Just as JFK did with the Cubans, China should have been sealed up N. Korea tighter than a drum years ago with nothing permitted to go in or out of that country. Now it's too late and that's a shame.

I certainly don't want to see a war and Trump doesn't come to mind when I think of the phrase let cooler heads prevail. He is a loud-mouth and should tone it down. Trump, although he's made a problem worse by his words and actions, is not the cause of this problem. He doesn't sound all that different from Kim Jung Un or Saddam Hussein. I'm waiting to hear the Trump say this will be the mother of all battles. Not good, not good. At the same time, and this is the really scary part, as the president of the U.S., Trump is also the Commander in Chief. This is where his true power lies. Hopefully, Mattis and the other sounder heads in his cabinet will be able to keep him reined in.

We all desire and hope for peace, but how will future generations benefit from such an agreement? Nuclear proliferation becomes far more problematic. The question of Will nuclear terror ever occur? changes more increasingly to When and where will nuclear terror occur? In a crazy way, it almost makes sense for the U.S. to just give the North Koreans the technology so that they can at least fire their missiles accurately to prevent a future accident.

It's a mess either way. One thing's for sure, China's failed in its duty to take care of its neighborhood.

my 2 cents

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@stormcrow

Well said. But don't forget the missiles were Soviet, not Cuban.

If now, they were Chinese, and not North Korean, we wouldn't be in this mess....

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Trump should just keep moving military hardware into the area, thus forcing China's hand.

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Trump should just keep moving military hardware into the area, thus forcing China's hand.

Trump can't do that unilaterally. Mattis and the other generals will decide that.

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@lucabrasi

That's true. Nothing is ever black and white, is it?

Still, China now has a next door neighbor armed with nukes whereas the U.S. doesn't.

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Even a deranged meglomaniac like Fatboy knows Trump is an idiot.

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And still the best solution here is to call Trump some more names and blame him for responding that it is unacceptable for Kim to launch missiles at us and he will pay a price if he does.

All you snarky people, what would you have Trump do about a country that keeps firing missiles all over the place? Just ignore him and hope someone else deals with it when you know they wont, ala Obama for 8 years?

North Korea will do nothing but talk and at some point we can all see that direct, forceful language toward them is all that is left once diplomacy has failed. If they attempt any future launch, it will have to be dealt with militarily as there is nothing else left to do. Red lines in the sand have to mean something.

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Even a deranged meglomaniac like Fatboy knows Trump is an idiot.

Yeah, but with attitude and backbone! Kudos!

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And still the best solution here is to call Trump some more names and blame him for responding that it is unacceptable for Kim to launch missiles at us and he will pay a price if he does.

His hyperbole may be quite fun for his supporters but an expression like 'fire and fury....like the world has never seen' is idiotic and dangerous. The world has already seen Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden. What exactly does Trump have in mind?

It seems the North Koreans have got wind that Trump is an inarticulate, trash -talking, grandstanding loudmouth, but he's better to stay away from inflammatory rhetoric like this. Keep that kind of talk for rallies or preening tweets.

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Tell me again why the US needs a base 10,000 miles away in a foreign country?

Because the host countries Government wants them there. Please study a little about the history of the world.

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Is there someone, anyone...Kelly, Mattis, Congress, the Supreme Court, his wife...that can tell this idiot to shut the **** up!!

Maybe you should go to Washington and personally tell him.

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but there will never be a time that we are not the most powerful nation in the world!"

What a poor choice of words! Seriously, why the need to constantly flex their muscles, belittle others and tell/warn us they (the us) could destroy our countries if they really wanted to? How are we the others supposed to feel about that? Shut up and accept we will always be at the us' mercy?

That's a warning to the world, not NK. And some ppl still wonder why Trump's rhetoric makes the world an even more unstable place.

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Trump is an idiot.

Yeah, but with attitude and backbone! Kudos!

Wow. So you admit Trump is an idiot, but being an idiot as president is acceptable, so long as he has "attitude and backbone". Can you point to any historical precedent where this has worked out well?

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so I think Trump is saying that shouldn't make any more serious threats.

How'd that work out?

And still the best solution here is to call Trump some more names

I think serial name-caller Donald and Trump supporters are poorly placed to whine about name calling. Also, liar, incompetent are more statements of fact about the guy's performance than name calling really.

What would we have him do? Act like he's the President of the United States for once. Not blurt out whatever nonsensical machismo phrase pops in his mind. Understand the issue and deal with it with a modicum of competence. Not allow the DPRK to bilateralize the issue. Articulate an intelligent alternative to "Strategic patience", or containment, if he has one. So far he's failed across the board.

No reason for us to be PC in the face of this gross incompetence.

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The suggestion that Trump has enhanced U.S. nuclear firepower was immediately disputed by experts, who noted no progress under Trump's presidency.

No progress in anything. In other words - he lied. Again.

After North Korea issued its own warning that suggested it could attack Guam, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson sought to calm the sense of crisis.

Tillerson insisted the U.S. isn't signaling a move toward military action, while it pursues a policy of sanctions and isolation of North Korea.

A sensible voice, for a change.

No sooner had Tillerson ratcheted down the rhetoric than Defense Secretary Jim Mattis ratcheted it back up.

Oh dear.

Echoing Trump's martial tone, Mattis said North Korea should stand down its nuclear weapons program and "cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people." As seldom as it is for a president to speak of using nuclear missiles, the reference to the "destruction" of a foreign people is equally rare.

And stupid. Just like the DPRK; mixed messages are being sent out. The Jets and the Sharks are looking to rumble as the audience goes wild with anticipation.

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The world has already seen Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden. What exactly does Trump have in mind?

Battle of the Blackwater? Perhaps he has some wildfire handy...

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His hyperbole may be quite fun for his supporters but an expression like 'fire and fury....like the world has never seen' is idiotic and dangerous.

For him and to get his attention, I sure hope so.

The world has already seen Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden. What exactly does Trump have in mind? 

To protect the US.

It seems the North Koreans have got wind that Trump is an inarticulate,

You can't become a Billionaire by being inarticulate.

trash -talking, grandstanding loudmouth, but he's better to stay away from inflammatory rhetoric like this. Keep that kind of talk for rallies or preening tweets.

I disagree, I think he hasn't gone far enough actually.

Wow. So you admit Trump is an idiot,

Typical libs twisting words, that's why they constantly get things wrong, tissue prices are rising.

so long as he has "attitude and backbone". Can you point to any historical precedent where this has worked out well?

WWI, WWII, Iraq getting rid of Saddam, getting Noriega, Kosovo

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If the US closed it's base in South Korea and moved all it's equipment and troops back home this would all end.

And then, N. Korean will invade S. Korea within minutes.

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Typical libs twisting words, that's why they constantly get things wrong, tissue prices are rising.

Tissue prices are irrelevant to this discussion, whether or not you can substantiate that claim. But to address your accusation of "libs twisting words", why don't we break down the exchange line by line:

Luddite: Even a deranged meglomaniac like Fatboy knows Trump is an idiot.

bass4funk: Yeah, but with attitude and backbone! Kudos!

plasticmonkey: So you admit Trump is an idiot, but being an idiot as president is acceptable, so long as he has "attitude and backbone".

bass4funk: Typical libs twisting words,

Which part of that discourse is "twisting"?

I have always put a premium on reasonable discourse, and I think this is even more important when we have a despotic and dangerous political system in North Korea that is unable to change, an American president who tunes out when confronted with information that is more than half a page in length, and his followers who are averse to considering the facts that are in front of us all.

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So the governor of Guam agrees with both Trump's strong words of fire and fury as well as his actions. Seeing as he is in charge of where is going to be shot at and agrees, Trump wins again.

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So the governor of Guam agrees with both Trump's strong words of fire and fury as well as his actions. Seeing as he is in charge of where is going to be shot at and agrees, Trump wins again.

Ur so right. How does he keep doing it? 7 months in and already the best president in the history of the wold. Trump is so smart, best brains ever

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WWI, WWII, Iraq getting rid of Saddam, getting Noriega, Kosovo

A strange mix of the good, the bad and the ugly there.

Then again, as long as someone shows attitude and backbone, the end result is irrelevant. It seems even idiots can be excused as long as they display attitude and backbone on the right.

Trump certainly has a loyal base there.

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It's Dear Leader East vs Dear Leader West.

It would actually be kind of funny to lock both of their supporters in a room and see what happens.

"Our dear leader has 10 holes-in-one!"

"Oh really, well our dear leader is always winning!"

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Which part of that discourse is "twisting"?

You calling me a liberal, but don't worry, I understand the frustration of the left. Tissue sale on.

I have always put a premium on reasonable discourse, and I think this is even more important when we have a despotic and dangerous political system in North Korea that is unable to change, an American president who tunes out when confronted with information that is more than half a page in length,

The left in their hatred and over exaggerations. Smh.

and his followers who are averse to considering the facts that are in front of us all.

That depends on what you define as facts. There are facts and there are facts from the left loons and the MSM that carry a destroy Trump agenda, if that's the case, then of course none of us will see that as facts but more like indoctrination.

It seems even idiots can be excused as long as they display attitude and backbone on the right. 

Trump certainly has a loyal base there.

Hey, you guys had an idiot for 8 long tortuous years that was weak and afraid of making people feel bad, but allowing people like this little kid to get away with murder, close your eyes and count to ten, the bogeyman will go away when you open your eyes. Give me a break.

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To retreat and apologize to a bully, even a North Korean bully, only serves to encourage and invites intensified aggression. But of course people always get the treatment they really want.

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I called you a liberal? I called you nothing.

You implied I was a liberal...whatever, doesn't matter. But take this down and for future references, "I'm not a liberal and will never be one."

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So the governor of Guam agrees with both Trump's strong words of fire and fury as well as his actions. 

If that's so the governor of Guam is easily impressed. Presumably as he is "in charge of where is going to be shot at" he knows he'd better not contradict the thinnest-skinned president in US history.

Trump wins again.

Wins what, exactly? The right to brag that the governor of Guam doesn't appear to think Trump is loose canon?

I wonder if Trump has figured out what the nuclear triad is yet. He was clueless about it 18 months ago and now he's taking credit for modernizing our nuclear arsenal. Another lie.

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Liberal ain't a mean word

It's not, unless you call someone that and they are not, the word in itself isn't mean, but the overall intent behind it is.

If that's so the governor of Guam is easily impressed. Presumably as he is "in charge of where is going to be shot at" he knows he'd better not contradict the thinnest-skinned president in US history.

Thinnest skinned? When he's bombarded with personal attacks, sure, anyone would. I think the governor sees real strength in this president, so he doesn't need to feel fear.

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I was talking about Trump and governors response to Trump and Kim. He knows Trump's got his back. Go Trump!

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No, the governor sees just like everyone else that the days of not dealing with this are no longer possible. so deal with it is what Trump is doing.

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So yes Trump is very thin skinned and is been proven on many occasions.

The last president was thin-skinned as well, so it's nothing new here.

You wish to throw out more fake news there please go ahead...

Naw, I leave that for the left and they sure have enough of it to go around.

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Susan Rice just said we have to learn to tolerate a nuclear armed North Korea. Really? Probably need to tolerate unmasking too huh?

Once again this is proving the Trump is doing the right thing. I know this because of the names and certain groups of people who hate everything he does. By them hating him gives me all the more reason to support him.

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Susan Rice just said we have to learn to tolerate a nuclear armed North Korea. Really?

That was exactly the problem with the last admin. and that's why people didn't want the Dems anymore, capitulation and weakness is the epicenter of the liberal heart.

Probably need to tolerate unmasking too huh? 

Once again this is proving the Trump is doing the right thing.

I wholeheartedly agree!

I know this because of the names and certain groups of people who hate everything he does. By them hating him gives me all the more reason to support him.

Bingo!

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@bass so if Trump bombs NK you think that is the right thing?

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lucabrasiAug. 10 11:25 am JST@stormcrow

Well said. But don't forget the missiles were Soviet, not Cuban.

If now, they were Chinese, and not North Korean, we wouldn't be in this mess....

"North Korea’s launch of a nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile on July 4, U.S. Independence Day, is a direct affront to the U.S. that was likely supported by Chinese technology and expertise. Indications of Chinese involvement include Chinese transport trucks used for multiple North Korean missiles, the biconic warhead design of the Hwasong-14, and other Chinese missile components. U.S. President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson are now publicly pointing the finger at China, and it’s about time."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anderscorr/2017/07/05/chinese-involvement-in-north-koreas-nuclear-missile-program-from-warheads-to-trucks/#723fdffe6f2f

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so if Trump bombs NK you think that is the right thing?

If we know they are going to start an attack, yes. If they launched a missile and it hit the US mainland or one of its territories. yes.

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If war does break out I hope that the legions of Trump supporters line up in droves at military offices across the US, or better yet, that military conscription is set along party lines. Nobody but the morons who voted for Trump should be put on the front lines of this one.

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If war does break out I hope that the legions of Trump supporters line up in droves at military offices across the US, or better yet, that military conscription is set along party lines. Nobody but the morons who voted for Trump should be put on the front lines of this one.

Some of us are already in the military, some of us served in the past and some might want to serve and what is your point? A bit illogical, even if someone went tomorrow and went to a recruiter office and enlisted doesn't that person would immediately be sent to the frontline in just a few weeks. You guys are a crack up! LOL

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Yet people who didn't care at all for Obama or his policies fought and died for their country. In fact his policies might have been directly responsible for their deaths. But they went and did it for their country and their loved ones without hesitation.

The military respects the position of Commander in Chief regardless of the person in it. I'm sure Trump supporter or not, people will do their jobs.

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If war does break out I hope that the legions of Trump supporters line up in droves at military offices across the US, or better yet, that military conscription is set along party lines. Nobody but the morons who voted for Trump should be put on the front lines of this one.

Actually, the majority of the military does support Trump. So in actuality, you are not wrong.

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or better yet, that military conscription is set along party lines.

Wow. Wishing people dead because they voted for a President you don't like.

Tell me again why the US needs a base 10,000 miles away in a foreign country?

Russia, China, North Korea? You really think pulling out of the region would make NK act more reasonably? These are the same people who pledged, in a deal with President Clinton in 1994, to dismantle their nuclear program...international treaties mean NOTHING to them.

Blacklabel, good post.

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If the US closed it's base in South Korea and moved all it's equipment and troops back home this would all end.

And then, N. Korean will invade S. Korea within minutes.

Before a US pullout arm the ROK forces with tactical nuclear weapons. Let Koreans decide their future.

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Assuming these Missiles land 35 Km away from Guam (+- 5Km), if they're carrying and detonate a Nuclear test payload - does that then count as attack upon US Soil ?

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Being both American and living in Japan, I very much hope things calm down here between the North Korea and the U.S.

Truly there is no benefit for either side and it is very dangerous when protecting one's ego mixes with the availability of weapons.

Both of these leaders should consider all of the innocent who will be caught up in their childish dispute.

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