New Zealand reports 1st virus vaccine death

Brave new world, eh comrade!

A better world. It sure will be nice to not have to share a plane, cafe, bar or cinema with unruly Covidiot Anti-vaxxers!

Not for the young and healthy. The risk-benefit ration is different for everyone. For the young and healthy, the risk of vaccination is not worth it.

Yes, that includes the young and healthy, you keep repeating this disinformation but when asked to prove any group where vaccines represent more risk you strangely just keep silent. Almost as if you knew this is false but you still choose to repeat it.

That poor person would be alive if she hadn't fallen for the government and msm propaganda. Day by day, the reasons to remain unvaccinated against corona keep stacking.

Sure, it is the government and msm, right? not all the experts of the world that say vaccines are much safer than the infection, and that every person has much less risk by vaccinating than by getting the disease. Of course you can easily prove this by providing some respected institution of the world that deals with science or medicine that says the opposite, else you would just be misrepresenting their professional opinions as if they came from media and not the experts.

Lets see how the numbers look over this week - if it continues to decline then they may have got it under control.

Like I have saying covid vaccine are a game of roulette. Had the person not gotten the vaccine the person would still be alive….

Getting vaccinated it’s a gamble that you might end up signing your own death certificate.

The problem? that not vaccinating is a much worse gamble where the chances of dying are much worse. Betting for the vaccine improve anybody's chances of remaining alive and healthy.

Trying to misrepresent the situation as if not vaccinating would not represent any risk is just difinformation.

Like Akula said, the mandate is to get to 80% then get people thru the turnstiles..

Sorry, meant Nonu..

it seems people are hooked into the New Zealand "success story" and desparately want to believe it is the result of political affiliation.

Be a great achievement if they can contain it and reduce numbers. Save a lot of lives. Even if they can't get back to zero it buys valuable time while they vaccinate. Notice there has been a lot of negative press about NZ's approach. Basic human nature to not like it when someone else is doing better?

New Zealand’s government is pursuing an elimination strategy in which it tries to stamp out the virus entirely whenever it appears. 

This is only until the population is fully (80%+) vaccinated - they have stated this many times before and fully realize elimination is not a long term strategy. Their plan is to open borders early next year from certain countries for vaccinated persons.

Aotearoa relies heavily on tourism and needs that sector to stimulate the economy. Even mainstay farming has been hit hard because of the shortage of foreign workers coming into help out. Like Akula said, the mandate is to get to 80% then get people thru the turnstiles..

Notice there has been a lot of negative press about NZ's approach.

Really?

I have only read mostly positive press about it, how for the price of fairly draconian lockdowns lives have been saved.

But I also have seen that the NZ government has been losing some popularity after they were so popular last year, so I started to think there are other people there that make a similar risk tradeoff to me.

I saw an interesting thing about deaths from influenza being down - thanks to the coronavirus measures.

If that is the case, doesn’t it mean that coronavirus level measures ought be taken each year (to prevent influenza deaths)?

People can die of many things, but the zero tolerance approach for coronavirus seems like it might be wearing thin with many people.

I imagine if I were a younger person, single, looking for a partner. If I were living in fear of coronavirus I could miss out on opportunities to meet and socialize during this key period of my youth. When I think about it like this, I can understand why some people prefer to get on with their lives. Those who are fearful of coronavirus can stay self-locked down. Why should government mandate a single approach for all? Particularly so more than a year into the pandemic.

Read up on New Zealand’s managed isolation facilities and then tell me Nz is doing a good job.

New Zealand citizens overseas are basically locked out and locked in their own country. And the 25% of New Zealand’s with relatives overseas are in most cases unable to visit family or be visited by family even if they die or are dying as Miq spots are harder to get than tickets to Willy wonkers chocolate factory.

@Raw Beer, @Virusrex

Not for the young and healthy

Yes, that includes the young and healthy

Can each of you tell us how you've calculated these odds?

From what I gather, it's not possible due to a lack of data. It's clear that young people are still at risk, but the picture is less clear when it comes to the 'healthy'. What criteria are you using to define 'healthy'? Is an overweight person in their 20s who leads a sedentary lifestyle considered healthy just because they haven't been diagnosed with diabetes or some other medical condition?

I think covid is real, it's killing people, and the vaccines work to a large extent, but I'm also curious to know how many Covid deaths are actually attributable to people who excercise regularly, have a normal BMI and no underlying medical conditions. Where can I find this data? I don't think it exists.

Those who are preaching the vaccine saves lives do know that only 26 people have died in NZ since Jan 2020? https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/nz In years past the flu killed upwards of 500 people in a year. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/flu-killing-500-kiwis-each-year-otago-university-study-says/ODMURV7DVL6RAVW3A7HZLCIL5M/

Are you really serious? Flu average deaths in NZ = 500, Covid TOTAL deaths in 18 mo in NZ = 26. Of course this is because of the authoritarian lockdowns, no doubt. But what happens when everyone is vaccinated and "return to normal", will influenza return to normal as well? Will it be worse than ever? What was the cost-benefit analysis? Remember those preaching vaccine saves lives know that the influenza vaccine has been available for years and still 500 deaths was somehow deemed acceptable enough to keep society open. So the the answer must be to stay locked down forever, right? You guys have all the answers. Which is worse in NZ, covid or the flu?

New Zealand citizens overseas are basically locked out and locked in their own country. And the 25% of New Zealand’s with relatives overseas are in most cases unable to visit family or be visited by family even if they die or are dying as Miq spots are harder to get than tickets to Willy wonkers chocolate factory.

Exactly. Its a disgrace. Never reported.

Not for the young and healthy. The risk-benefit ratio is different for everyone. For the young and healthy, the risk of vaccination is not worth it.

Sure, we’ll believe an anonymous internet poster over those that have gone to school long enough to earn a Ph.D.

I guess you wouldn't believe me if I told you I have a PhD. Don't tell me, don't care...

But I hope you won't believe an anonymous internet poster who clearly works for a pharmaceutical company.

I think covid is real, it's killing people, and the vaccines work to a large extent, but I'm also curious to know how many Covid deaths are actually attributable to people who excercise regularly, have a normal BMI and no underlying medical conditions.

Yes Covid is real, it is killing people, but the vast majority (96%?) have comorbidities. Among the young and healthy, the death rate is low. Whenever I come across an article about a young person dying from covid I usually Google their name, and whenever I find their picture they have so far always been fat. The deaths among the young and healthy are very low. But the deaths from the vaccines are through the roof, compared to other vaccines. Clearly for the young and healthy, we cannot say that the benefits of the vaccines outweigh the risks.

Where can I find this data? I don't think it exists.

Indeed, the data is not readily available. The FDA could have requested that all vaccinated people be followed for outcome, but the opted not to. Even in Japan, according to the PMDA, the healthcare workers being vaccinated should have been followed and the outcome made public....

With the latest FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine, experts have complained about the data not being available. There is clearly not an honest and open discussion on the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines.

That poor person would be alive if she hadn't fallen for the government and msm propaganda. Day by day, the reasons to remain unvaccinated against corona keep stacking.

it seems people are hooked into the New Zealand "success story" and desparately want to believe it is the result of political affiliation.

Generally you’ll find it is those with a bent towards authoritarian government that are in thrall to Jacinda Adhern. They love her particular style: nanny state-knows-best, inside the iron glove.

What kind of compensation can this poor woman's family receive for dying from this vaccine? Each country has its own system, so any Kiwis out there, please let us know. I hope it is generous for their sake.

The problem? that not vaccinating is a much worse gamble where the chances of dying are much worse.

Not for the young and healthy. The risk-benefit ration is different for everyone. For the young and healthy, the risk of vaccination is not worth it.

Sure, it is the government and msm, right? not all the experts of the world that say vaccines are much safer than the infection,

The so called experts on the payroll of governments and big pharma, sure, super trustworthy