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Japan wins another one, smart

-5 ( +11 / -16 )

Japan wins another one, smart

Manabe has spent most of his life in America.

10 ( +17 / -7 )

Manabe is a Japanese born American.

He's been in the states for 60+ years.

As Japan doesn't recognize dual citizenship, he is American.

And congrats to him and the others.

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The photo says it clearly: Syukuro Manabe, USA.

Like most of the Nobel laureates born in Japan, Manabe did his groundbreaking work in an environment where thinking outside the box is valued more than kissing one’s senpai’s hiney.

But the J-press will herald this as another award for Japanese superiority.

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Recently it's super hard to not see Japanese name among Nobel Prize winners in every single year.

Hell Yeah!

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Recently it's super hard to not see Japanese name among Nobel Prize winners in every single year.

Hell Yeah!

Well done to the winners. But let's be honest here - Manabe left Japan to work in the States in 1958. 1958! And he is a US citizen.

Hoping the research goes some way to explaining and perhaps addressing global warming.

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Well done to the winners. But let's be honest here - Manabe left Japan to work in the States in 1958. 1958! And he is a US citizen.

Hoping the research goes some way to explaining and perhaps addressing global warming.

Dude, he studied in Tokyo Univ. until the doctoral course. His basis as a scholar was made in Japan.

Thank you.

-7 ( +7 / -14 )

Arguing about his citizenship belies the more important point that climate change is now recognized as being influenced by humans. Unfortunately the deniers will kick and scream to their graves against science just like they do with regards to the vaccinations and masks.

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…in an environment where thinking outside the box is valued more than…

Yes, @plasticmonkey, but all the other scientists there had exactly that same environment… lol

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

plasticmonkey:

Like most of the Nobel laureates born in Japan, Manabe did his groundbreaking work in an environment where thinking outside the box is valued more than kissing one’s senpai’s hiney.

He has taken his PhD from University of Tokyo. He has spent four years of his career researching global warming in Japan as well. Generally speaking, given the faecesload of Nobel prices Japanese scientiests reveived while researching in Japan, just about everything in your statement is wrong.

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Just look at this pic.

https://www.facebook.com/nobelprize/photos/a.164901829102/10158522838334103/

He still is identifying himself with Japanese-ness.

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

Everyone makes a comment about the Low Hanging Fruit, ie, "reliably predicting global warming."

Which is good, because the previous decades and decades of "predicting global warming" have sort of fallen on their faces, now, haven't they? lol. Yes, they have...

An example: “We’re like… the world is gonna end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.”

Sure, it will, AOC. Sure it will....

As for the...other Nobel Prize winner? How many comments here for, erm..."the discovery of the interplay of disorder and fluctuations in physical systems...from atomic to PLANETARY SCALES???"

Anyone here want to confidently comment on this "advancement"?

lol...didn't think so!

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Hiroto HasegawaOct. 5  09:59 pm JST

> Dude, he studied in Tokyo Univ. until the doctoral course. His basis as a scholar was made in Japan.

Thank you

He did his doctoral work at Tōdai, but left for a reason.

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"Manabe is a Japanese born American."

Lemme see:

"Syukuro Manabe

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2021

Born: 21 September 1931, Shingu, Ehime Prefecture, Japan"

Please, don't do this.

It's 2021, there's something called Google!

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

Congratulations - Omodetou gozaimasu to Dr. Manabe. (my maternal grandparents are from Eihme).

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About a decade later, Hasselmann created a model that linked weather and climate, helping explain why climate models can be reliable despite the seemingly chaotic nature of the weather.

I am happy these folks are now millionaires. Unfortunately they still can’t create a model that can accurately predict climate over the next 10 years- never mind 50 to 100 or more. But in the meantime- keep up the good work. There may be a bunch more money and prestige in it for you.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

As Japan doesn't recognize dual citizenship, he is American.

Well, that conclusion is just a failure in logic. Japan doesn't encourage it, but it happens a lot. This is Asia, and loopholes exist. There are many, many dual Japanese/American citizens.

"Manabe is a Japanese born American."

Lemme see:

"Syukuro Manabe

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2021

Born: 21 September 1931, Shingu, Ehime Prefecture, Japan"

Please, don't do this.

It's 2021, there's something called Google!

It appears he has American citizenship, which would make him a Japan-born American, though it would give more detail to state it as a Japan-born naturalized American.

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I thought the Nobel prizes for this year would go to researchers who lead to quick development of mRNA anti COVID-19 vaccines. Maybe next year.

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What makes that more likely? And why would we continue to do that in the future if the goal is to get off fossil fuels?

If the goal is to get off fossil fuels “electricity” is not in itself an alternative source of energy. Electricity has to be generated. It is either used as it’s generated (for example turning on the light switch in your home) or is used in engines from battery storage- which is highly inefficient. How the electricity is generated is the key. You can set a goal of x percent electric powered ground and air transportation but that isn’t a solution. It just means it will require a lot more electricity generation. Unless it’s from nuclear - which due to opposition from the same people that hype global warming hysteria is not likely the case - the majority of this additional electricity generation will be from fossil fuels. That’s a least a wash carbon wise.

I think that all these folks who think they are saving the planet by driving a Tesla are fooling themselves. It is likely the case the additional electricity required to power their car is coming from an oil or natural gas power plant.

Electric doesn’t do anything. Hydrogen on the other hand…

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

"Manabe is a Japanese born American."

Lemme see:

"Syukuro Manabe

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2021

Born: 21 September 1931, Shingu, Ehime Prefecture, Japan"

Please, don't do this.

It's 2021, there's something called Google!

And I am an American born Japanese, what part dont you get?

It appears he has American citizenship, which would make him a Japan-born American, though it would give more detail to state it as a Japan-born naturalized American.

Unnecessary if people have reading comprehension skills.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

 thought the Nobel prizes for this year would go to researchers who lead to quick development of mRNA anti COVID-19 vaccines. Maybe next year.

If you look, the initial research done was done at least a decade ago, and by numerous researchers and scientists. It's thanks to their ground work that the COVID vaccines came about so quickly

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The physicist himself was surprised at the news. 

Climatology seems not an established field of studies as yet. In fact, there are a bunch of scholars who claim there's no such thing as global warming. For example, Tsdashi Watanabe, a University of Tokyo-affiliated specialist in CO2,  says the earth's temperature rose only 0.3 degrees Centigrade in the past 30 years., an indiscernible rise for human senses.

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So many sore losers in the comments trying to discredit Japanese people. Anyway, congratulations to all involved.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

I think that all these folks who think they are saving the planet by driving a Tesla are fooling themselves. It is likely the case the additional electricity required to power their car is coming from an oil or natural gas power plant.

The whole point is to get off fossil fuels. We're not off them yet. How is this different from any other paradigm change where we've had to piggyback off the old paradigm while switching to the new one? In other words, we're trying to get off fossil fuels by switching to electric cars, what makes you think we wouldn't also do the same for coal or gas based power plants? You seem to be complaining that the infrastructure for electricity wasn't built before the cars that use it. You're getting your cart and horse backwards.

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An amateurish question to anti-globalism of the earth's temperature.

If the present tend continues, by 2091, the temperature will rise 1.0 degree Centigrade. The percentage is the mean average of the years but in actuality we may experience the rise and fall of extreme temperatures. So, isn't the rise of 0.3 degrees Centigrade in the past 30 years very significant?

The earth is undergoing global warming without any doubt.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

They're all so old

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

More proof, as if anymore was needed that climate change is real, it’s here, and a failure to act really should disqualify one to hold public office.

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Hiroto HasegawaOct. 5  11:25 pm JST

Just look at this pic.

https://www.facebook.com/nobelprize/photos/a.164901829102/10158522838334103/

He still is identifying himself with Japanese-ness

Why is it so important to you that this guy is Japanese?

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StrangerlandToday  05:05 am JST

As Japan doesn't recognize dual citizenship, he is American.

Well, that conclusion is just a failure in logic. Japan doesn't encourage it, but it happens a lot. This is Asia, and loopholes exist. There are many, many dual Japanese/American citizens.

Thank you for your response.

I guess the cynical humour attempt by me wasn't detected.

And re nationality - Japan's official position is it doesn't recognize dual-nationality after the age of 22 (I believe). That it comes down heavy or light on such cases adds to the case that the govt flouts whatever it wants to flout.

And the bottom line in all of this is not nationality but the science.

Some people (many) still see the Nobel Awards as a kind of "Olympic Competition" where each candidate is trying to inch ahead of others to some imaginary finishing line.

It's Not.

And it's Beyond Borders.

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Hito Bito

Which is good, because the previous decades and decades of "predicting global warming" have sort of fallen on their faces, now, haven't they? lol. Yes, they have...

No they haven't. The modelling and predictions have been surprisingly accurate.

An example: “We’re like… the world is gonna end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.”

Slightly misleading paraphrasing. We have 12 years to get control of the climate before that opportunity is lost. And yes, it's true.

Wolfpack

I am happy these folks are now millionaires. Unfortunately they still can’t create a model that can accurately predict climate over the next 10 years- never mind 50 to 100 or more.

Actually, they can and they are surprisingly accurate.

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Congratulations to Syukuro Manabe, Klaus Hasselmann, and to Giorgio Parisi.

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And re nationality - Japan's official position is it doesn't recognize dual-nationality after the age of 22 (I believe). That it comes down heavy or light on such cases adds to the case that the govt flouts whatever it wants to flout.

When have they ever come down heavy? As I understand it, no Japanese-born citizen has ever had their citizenship revoked. Do you have examples otherwise?

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The whole point is to get off fossil fuels. 

So how does being forced to build more fossil fuel burning power plants in order to power millions of new electric engines get the world off fossil fuels? You have it exactly backwards as there is already huge demand for electricity generation without this added load to the power grid.

Until you can stop using fossil fuels to generate electricity it is only counter productive to manufacture electric vehicles due to the fact that they are powered by electricity created mostly by fossil fuels and its more CO2 intensive to manufacture and dispose of electric vehicles once they reach end of life.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

Wolfpack

So how does being forced to build more fossil fuel burning power plants in order to power millions of new electric engines get the world off fossil fuels?

You don't. You build renewable energy plants.

Until you can stop using fossil fuels to generate electricity it is only counter productive to manufacture electric vehicles due to the fact that they are powered by electricity created mostly by fossil fuels and its more CO2 intensive to manufacture and dispose of electric vehicles once they reach end of life.

This is wrong. Electric vehicles have a lower carbon footprint than conventional cars over their lifetime, including manufacture and disposal.

Also, even if you use fossil fuels to power the electricity production, that is still a lot cleaner than millions of individual travelling internal combustion engines. And the benefit is that as you centrally move towards renewables, you don't have to change the cars.

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So how does being forced to build more fossil fuel burning power plants in order to power millions of new electric engines get the world off fossil fuels?

You don't. You build renewable energy plants.

Bingo.

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2020hindsights

Actually, they can and they are surprisingly accurate.

Actually they are not. The vast majority of them overestimate warming. The climate is changing- it always does. The climate is in a warming trend that has been going on for a few hundred years and is likely enhanced to some degree or other by human activity. The models are still too poor at prediction and almost always overestimate compared to actual observations.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-90-models-global-Tsfc-vs-obs-thru-2013.png

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

You don't. You build renewable energy plants.

Bingo.

Ok. How much global fossil fuel energy consumption is being reduced due to the construction of renewable energy plants to meet the spike in demand to provide electricity for electric motors? The answer is - virtually none at all. Fossil fuel energy plant construction is booming across the planet at this very moment. Renewable energy power plant construction is not.

All the focus on electric cars and airplanes causes people to believe they are doing something when they are simply shifting the tail pipe emissions to the smokestacks of the regional power plant.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Strangerland - Thanks.

re govt coming down heavy - well no doubt there are numerous occasions we are not privy to, but this case from a couple of years ago fits the bill.

8 Japan-born Europe residents sue Japanese gov't over loss of nationality - The Mainichi

And I never said anything about "revoking" Japanese citizenship - my point was focused on the govt not accepting dual citizenship.

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Wolfpack

2020hindsights

Actually, they can and they are surprisingly accurate.

Actually they are not.

Actually they are.

The vast majority of them overestimate warming.

No they don't.

The climate is changing- it always does.

Yes, but it has never changed due to man made influence until now.

The climate is in a warming trend that has been going on for a few hundred years and is likely enhanced to some degree or other by human activity.

No. It is complete due to human activity. Just look at the models.

The models are still too poor at prediction and almost always overestimate compared to actual observations.

No they aren't. They are amazingly accurate.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-90-models-global-Tsfc-vs-os-thru-2013.png

Why are you quoting a scientist who believes Creation is a better explanation that Evolution? It doesn't help your credibility.

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When asked by a reporter during an interview why he chose to live in the US

at the age of 27.

He said that the environment in Japan at the time he moved to the US was not

suitable to continue his study and his personality which didn't quite "fit

in" (he was the nail that was sticking out) were the reasons.

Prime minister Kishida said he was proud of the Dr. as Japanese, but many

Japanese people commented on SNS that the Prime minister's comment was so

"off".

Instead of being proud, he should have been ashamed that Japan could not

provide him what he needed and the environment that kills the nail that

sticks out - and use this opportunity to learn the lesson to change the

closed environment.

While I am a bit sad about this environment the Dr. was talking about, I am

also glad many Japanese noticed the Prime minister's comment was "off".

Still, whatever the nationality he is, congratulations to him and hope he

will stay healthy and motivated to keep his curiosity going!

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fishy - watching probably the same interview last night it was interesting that Manabe in addition to what you said, mentioned it was the "freedom" he experienced to explore that sold him. He was given lots of R&D time, money and resources that he could never have ever imagined in Japan.

He also said such freedom is why he could never go back to Japan to live and he laughingly suggested he will get attacked over that.

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browny1... yep, the same interview.

i like Manabe-san's personality.

glad he found the place where his curiosity shines and the freedom to exploring isn't limited.

great person and a scientist.

shows how it isn't much about where one is from but the society and environment matter so much.

best of luck to him!

2 ( +2 / -0 )

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