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Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognize Palestinian state, deepening Israel's isolation

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Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognize Palestinian state,

Well done Norway, Ireland and Spain. This happening while one occupier ally that always propose two state solution just keep giving Palestinian false hope while providing munition for occupier to continue genocide.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/17/republicans-in-us-house-pass-bill-pushing-biden-to-send-weapons-to-israel

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Earlier this months, 143 countries support bid for Palestine membership while only 9 countries against which are US, Argentina, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Israel, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Papua New Guinea

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68983650

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Even Fox News doesn't make any change for their headline for this, just the way it is.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/norway-ireland-spain-recognizing-independent-palestinian-state-israel-hamas-war-continues

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CONRATULATIONS Palestine.

Long Live Justice.

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Now go on and Unrecognize the current Savage Government of Netanyahu's.

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Surprised that Bibi and his war mongers did not call this Recognition Anti - Semitism....yet!! like everything else that supports Peace, Dignity, and the Palestinians Rights to their STOLEN Lands, Homes, Properties, and Self Determination.

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Lock him up, lock him up, lock him up

Well done Norway

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/norway-says-it-is-obligated-to-arrest-netanyahu-if-icc-warrant-confirmed/3226471

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/norway-first-eu-country-to-announce-it-will-arrest-netanyahu

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"Netanyahu has said Israel will maintain security control of Gaza even after any defeat of Hamas..." There you have it. With all the talk of a two state solution, the first step is recognizing Palestine, but Netanyahu has no intention. How can there be peace when the end game is even more repressive than before? So what will Japan do? They'll sit and look at the U.S. out of the corner of their eyes and follow the lead.

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This happening while one occupier ally that always propose two state solution just keep giving Palestinian false hope while providing munition for occupier to continue genocide.

Palestinians have rejected many offers that Israel has given them for an independent Palestinian state.

Camp David was a major rejection by Arafat that had Israel offering more than Palestinian representation had originally asked for

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Well done, better late than never. What they should do next is to stop recognizing the Israeli state.

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@Tdawg

Usually the real devil is the detail in offering.

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Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognize Palestinian state, deepening Israel's isolation

Excellent!

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Well done, better late than never. What they should do next is to stop recognizing the Israeli state.

Hear! Hear! Well said Wick!

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Usually the real devil is the detail in offering

Of course. They demanded an unlimited right of return to Israel proper. Obviously Israel wasn’t willing to concede in that area

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Bravo. Well done!

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Well done Norway, Ireland and Spain!

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What kind of digs will Hamas be getting?

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In these countries, Hamas remains a terrorist organization. No change there.

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In response to the announcements in Europe, Israel’s far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir paid a provocative visit Wednesday to the Al-Aqsa mosque compound — a flashpoint in Jerusalem that is sacred to Muslims and Jews, who refer to it as the Temple Mount. The move could escalate tensions across the region.

Ariel Sharon forcing his way into the Al Aqsa mosque was the spark that triggered the 2nd Intifada in 2000.

Ben-Gvir and Smotrich should be on the ICC's wanted list along with the Israeli and Hamas leaders.

“History will remember that Spain, Norway, and Ireland decided to award a gold medal to Hamas murderers and rapists,” Katz said.

The rhetoric gets more desperate and unhinged by the day.

International recognition of a Palestinian state, the removal of the U.S. as a dishonest broker and its replacement with an international body capable of neutrality.

Israel isn't about to end 75 years of occupation, land theft and ethnic cleansing of its own accord.

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More EU countries will follow! congratulations to those 3 who really want peace and are enough strong to face to zionist warning.

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Lots of info on why Camp David failed.

One reason it was"" accept all conditions or nothing."

Another reason was the disproportionate area of land to be ceded to Israel'

Another was the" right of return for Palestinian refugees. " {opposed by Israel ....need to keep the land pure Jewish, presumably..... Cant live alongside Muslims or even Christian Palestinians. }

The other proposals had shades of what white South Africa would initiate in its apartheid vision. Lots of unconnected "homelands " with little sovereignty or even interconnectedness.

It's beyond disingenuous to blithely state that "oh, the Palestinians have rejected many proposals etc. "

Netanyahu's electioneering was based around " No Palestinian state while I am Prime Minister "

Like the Berlin Wall, the cracks are appearing in the current "Israel Supremacy " and the "idea whose time has come " will be seen sooner rather than later.

Go Palestine Statehood .

Gotta love the Israeli Govt. response.

Withdraw Ambassadors ....keep money {tax income } that isnt Israels....make demands, write statements and generally throw a tantrum and stamp their feet.

Come on....where's "blood libel " and " antisemiticism "?

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Excellent news!

Back to 1948 borders! This is getting worse and worse for Israel and they deserve everything they get!

Well done to Palestinians the slaughter and persecution of your people hasn't been in vain, sad and disgusting though it is!

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Oh, yeah, makes sense, because up until 1967 who was occupying the West Bank?

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While some 140 countries — more than two-thirds of the United Nations — recognize a Palestinian state

My biggest takeaway from the article is the above!

It shows the arrogance of the western nations!

Two thirds of the UN countries!

In a real democracatic world this would be the end of the story and it would be a "fait accompli" but we live in a world where a few powerful rich western countries rule by decree!

Suddenly 3 rich western countries go with the other 140 and only now is it important or relevant!

The arrogance of western countries is beyond measure!

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One reason it was"" accept all conditions or nothing."

No, Arafat refused to negotiate. The proposals included the establishment of a demilitarised Palestinian state on some 92% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip, with some territorial compensation for the Palestinians from pre-1967 Israeli territory; the dismantling of most of the settlements and the concentration of the bulk of the settlers inside the 8% of the West Bank to be annexed by Israel; the establishment of the Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem, in which some Arab neighborhoods would become sovereign Palestinian territory and others would enjoy "functional autonomy"; Palestinian sovereignty over half the Old City of Jerusalem (the Muslim and Christian quarters) and "custodianship," though not sovereignty, over the Temple Mount; a return of refugees to the prospective Palestinian state though with no "right of return" to Israel proper; and the organisation by the international community of a massive aid programme to facilitate the refugees' rehabilitation.

Arafat said no. A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day.

Another reason was the disproportionate area of land to be ceded to Israel'

No, Israel was giving away land at that point. Israel would have annexed 8% of the West Bank while giving back land acquired in 1967. It was more than a fair deal

Another was the" right of return for Palestinian refugees. "

Israel agreed to resettle 100,000 Palestinian refugees in Israel and the organisation by the international community of a massive aid program to facilitate the refugees' rehabilitation. Also, why should a right to return be included in talks about statehood?

The other proposals had shades of what white South Africa would initiate in its apartheid vision. Lots of unconnected "homelands " with little sovereignty or even interconnectedness.

Like what? Israel agreed to have a bridge connecting Gaza to The West Bank. I’m not sure what other deal you’re referring to

oh, the Palestinians have rejected many proposals etc. 

It’s literally a fact though. Here’s a quote of Barak describing Arafat’s behavior at Camp David: “"He did not negotiate in good faith; indeed, he did not negotiate at all. He just kept saying no to every offer, never making any counterproposals of his own,"”

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Only 9 EU countries recognize the State of Palestine. France will probably be the next country.

"Israel’s far-right finance minister said Wednesday he would stop transferring tax revenues earmarked for the Palestinian Authority, a move that threatens to handicap the government’s already-waning ability to pay salaries to its thousands of employees."

"Bezalel Smotrich said he was taking the move in retaliation, hours after Norway said it would recognize Palestinian statehood."

https://apnews.com/live/palestinian-state-recognized-european-countries-live#:~:text=Norway%2C%20Ireland%20and%20Spain%20have,and%20important%20day%20for%20...

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That's kind of populism, following only all those loud demonstrants' demands. Would they all also fully recognize Taiwan then and stand behind it with full international recognition? Highly probably not, because shivering from fears how China could react. This only as an example, to show you how double-tongued this case here is handled. And another point I'd like to put focus on, it is from now on by far not helpful under humanitarian considerations, because now Israel might be, or how I see it, surely is even much more forced in a direction of generating solid and finalized hard facts, so that this fictive Palestinian state, which intrinsically of course will be an existential threat to Israel, will never ever going to happen one way or another.

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This wouldn't have happened in September 2023, so it's fair to conclude that Israel is "losing".

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Dawg , like I said, lots of info on Camp David.

Quoting Israel's PM as some sort of factual observer isnt that useful.

BTW, where do you source your claims, and to the point, are these Israel originated talking points.

Just asking

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This wouldn't have happened in September 2023, so it's fair to conclude that Israel is "losing".

Time for Hamas supporters to stop complaining then.

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Excellent news!

Back to 1948 borders! This is getting worse and worse for Israel and they deserve everything they get!

Well done to Palestinians the slaughter and persecution of your people hasn't been in vain, sad and disgusting though it is!

Hear! Hear!

This wouldn't have happened in September 2023, so it's fair to conclude that Israel is "losing".

I agree.

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Dawg , like I said, lots of info on Camp David.

Quoting Israel's PM as some sort of factual observer isnt that useful.

BTW, where do you source your claims, and to the point, are these Israel originated talking points.

Just asking

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

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Back to 1948 borders!

Who do you think will enforce this?

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Back to 1948 borders! This is getting worse and worse for Israel and they deserve everything they get!

Well done to Palestinians the slaughter and persecution of your people hasn't been in vain, sad and disgusting though it is!

Hear! Hear!

That won't happen because Israel is a country, and the Arabs who came into Israel from other Arab countries pre-1948 rejected the establishment of another Arab state, so that's why they have to settle for occupying Gaza and Judea and Samaria.

All the while Israel has become a powerful democratic country, able to defeat invading Arab countries--like Syria--over and over.

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Excellent, well done..

Israel must be isolated from the rest of the world until it stops its genocide against thousands of innocent Palestinians..

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Tdawg

Today 09:24 am JST

You say Israel offered blah blah blah....at camp David!

And the Palestinians knew that everything Israel offered was a lie!

Proof is simple to find!

140 settlements in the west bank not one more! That was what was agreed!

How many are there now? 280 with more than double the number if settlers!

And those 140 illegal new ones were taken by force and violence by Israel with the IDF acting as "protection" when Palestinian authority police tried stopping those illegal settlers!

The list of violations by Israel started right after signing the agreement, seizing Palestinian land to build a wall, to build walled in roads to settlements, more land taken to build more walled roads to the 140 illegal settlements, blowing up of UN built water cisterns under the excuse Palestinians would steal water from the illegal settlers!

Israel lied in every aspect in the small deal it did make, what fool would have believed anything Israel said or signed!

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That won't happen because Israel is a country, and the Arabs who came into Israel from other Arab countries pre-1948 rejected the establishment of another Arab state, so that's why they have to settle for occupying Gaza and Judea and Samaria.

BS

All the while Israel has become a powerful democratic country, able to defeat invading Arab countries--like Syria--over and over.

What a joke. You can't even beat Hamas

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Israel lied in every aspect in the small deal it did make, what fool would have believed anything Israel said or signed!

Exactly my friend. But you know what they say about fools.

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zibala

Today 09:43 am JST

All the while Israel has become a powerful democratic country

Democracy?

A Democratic doesn't design it's system to disenfranchise 21% of its population by vote manipulation so that they get only 3% representation in their Parliament.

A democracy doesn't have a minority's affairs committee with zero minorities on it and then under pressure puts a single minority without voting rights

This is called apartheid!

You consistently go on about how "Arabs" are somehow foreign to the area when the facts prove that the Palestinians have been there since the time of the Canaanites before the Israelites arrived.

You consistently say there was no country called Palestine but there was a country called Israel in the past. But in reality there was no country or even Kingdom called Israel. There was never an actual United Kingdom known as Israel. There are some theories that they might have existed for some 90 years but even that is just a theory. All there were were A. Grouping of Chiefdoms And tribes in a in a loosely United form!

You seem to confuse stories in the Bible/ Torah and actual facts of History!

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So Ireland will recognise a state arbitrarily drawn up by the British.......... and yet still lay a claim to Northern Ireland ? hmmmmm

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You say Israel offered blah blah blah....at camp David!

And the Palestinians knew that everything Israel offered was a lie!

No it wasn’t. The U.S. was a partner in negotiations and would have put extreme pressure on Israel to uphold any agreement. Do you have any source stating that Israel wasn’t planning on upholding their end?

140 settlements in the west bank not one more! That was what was agreed!

That wasn’t agreed. Show me where Israel agree to that.

Israel disputes the applicability of international law concerning the settlements. While the international community considers the settlements illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits an occupying power from transferring its population into occupied territories, Israel argues that the West Bank is not “occupied”. They assert that the territories are “disputed” rather than occupied, as they were not recognized as part of a sovereign state before Israel captured them in 1967.

Israel lied in every aspect in the small deal it did make, what fool would have believed anything Israel said or signed!

I don’t understand this logic. So if Israel is a liar because they lied in the last (according to you) then we can say Palestinians can’t be negotiated with because they were violent in the past and tried to attack Israel multiple times, correct?

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zulander

Today 10:11 am JST

So Ireland will recognise a state arbitrarily drawn up by the British.......... and yet still lay a claim to Northern Ireland ? hmmmmm

Wow grasping at straws!

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People that did not despise them before,this Genocidal occupation of Gaza,have made lots of others converts too disliking their selfish behavior

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A Democratic doesn't design it's system to disenfranchise 21% of its population by vote manipulation so that they get only 3% representation in their Parliament.

Does that 21% not have the right to vote? You know that whether or not a country is a democracy isn’t based on Parliament representation, right?

This is called apartheid!

No, it isn’t. Can you please point out the laws on the book in Israel that restrict rights based purely on skin color? Because that’s what apartheid actually is, not whatever made up definition your using

You consistently go on about how "Arabs" are somehow foreign to the area when the facts prove that the Palestinians have been there since the time of the Canaanites before the Israelites arrived. 

No they haven’t. The group we refer to as Palestinians came around the 7th century

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Since 1967 America has had its chance on many, many occasions to make the recalcitrant, land-hungry Zionists an offer they couldn't refuse, but money and domestic politics (AIPAC) tied the grasping hands of power-hungry politicians in an unholy alliance that has inevitably brought this massacre down on the heads of a defenseless civilian population after the first Nakba of 1948. It's now time for a long-overdue rectification and so others have begun to step up to the plate to do the right thing that folks from the "Home of the Brave" chickened out of. Bravo Norway, Ireland and Spain! You will give courage to others to defy the cruel "Uncle" in Washington.

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Tdawg

Today 10:23 am JST

No they haven’t. The group we refer to as Palestinians came around the 7th century

Well let's see!

DNA from Canaanite graves going back 3000 to 4000 years in the area known as Israel was analized and here are the results.

Druze DNA is 80% Canaanite.

Palestinians are 70% Canaanite.

Mitzvah are 40% to 50% Canaanite

Sephardic are 30% to 40% Canaanite

Ashkenazi are 60% European and less than 20% Canaanite!

So the facts do not support your claims the people called Palestinians today can trace the majority of their DNA/roots to the exact location they are in and were expelled from in Israel!

Stories and claims are beaten out by facts and science!

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Well, which government should run these territories, and what constitution does this state have? Right now, they are "recognizing" a split area, half of which run by a terrorist organization and the other by an authoritarian regime, neither of which has had an election in years, and both of them denying the right of Israel to exist. Have the virtue-signalling politicians ever done their homework?

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“We will recognize this place… now that we’re getting criticism for not doing it for the last 80 years and our decisions to put new people there with no input from the people already there not withstanding”

”so your gonna take in refugees from this place until it calms down?”

All of Europe:”lmao let’s not get crazy now”

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Antiquesaving

Well said!

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Antiquesaving

Well let's see!

DNA from Canaanite graves going back 3000 to 4000 years in the area known as Israel was analized and here are the results.

I wonder what this talk about DNA is supposed to show. If you want to determine someones right to live somewhere on ancestral DNA, everyone on the plant would have to relocate to another place, and which place would have to depend how long you want to go back in time. Ultimately, we would all have to go to Africa. What is the point?

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So the facts do not support your claims the people called Palestinians today can trace the majority of their DNA/roots to the exact location they are in and were expelled from in Israel!

That doesn’t mean they’re native to the region. Genetic testing shows that Saudi’s have more Canaanite DNA than Palestinians. Are they native to the region?

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Palestinians are 70% Canaanite.

A 2020 study showed that Iranian Jews have a 90% Canaanite ancestry, even higher than that of Palestinians

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The International Court of Justice is also considering allegations of genocide that Israel has strenuously denied.

Meaningless. The ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel.

Israel will keep the pressure on the occupiers in Gaza until it eliminates every single one, and rightfully so.

So the facts do not support your claims the people called Palestinians today can trace the majority of their DNA/roots to the exact location they are in and were expelled from in Israel!

What a joke! They came from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria etc.

In the 20th century.

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Tdawg

Today 10:23 am JST

No they haven’t. The group we refer to as Palestinians came around the 7th century

This is something pushed and created by Israel and supporters of Israel.

In the 7th century Muslim Arabs from the Arabian peninsula invaded and conquered the region!

They did not remove or replace the people living there.

They ruled and administered the region, in the same way later ottoman empire conquered the region and ruled and administered the region.

This false claim that the Arabs moved in, is just that false!

The people today known as Palestinians have been in there since long before the Israelites going back to the time of the Canaanites and science and DNA has clearly proven this!

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Lets focus on NOW.

In the West Bank, MSF is reporting IDF incursions, shootings and death and injury in West Bank hospitals.

MSF pleading with IDF to stop this.

No Hamas in West Bank.

BTW there is no fixed definition of "apartheid " only based on skin colour.

If one sector of a people living in a state are subject to laws and regulations meant to contain and restrict, and other people in said state are not subject to those restrictions, it is accurate to describe this as "apartheid " or "apartheid like ".

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I wonder what this talk about DNA is supposed to show. If you want to determine someones right to live somewhere on ancestral DNA...

I agree DNA should not be used to determine one's right to live somewhere, but it does prove that the Zionist claims that they are returning to their ancestral land is complete nonsense.

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zibala

Today 11:25 am JST

What a joke! They came from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria etc.

> In the 20th century.

Except that the Canaanites DNA was from Israel university researchers and the testing done in New York USA!

Sorry your stories and claims are far out weighed by fact and science!

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Tdawg

Today 11:24 am JST

Palestinians are 70% Canaanite.

> A 2020 study showed that Iranian Jews have a 90% Canaanite ancestry, even higher than that of Palestinians

Post the link!

I have previously posted the links (yes plural as I posted multiple ones) showing the facts!

Even this one despite trying really hard to dismiss the lack of DNA connection to the region by the majority of the Jewish population point out the most connected to the area are not Jews.

https://medium.com/migration-issues/who-has-claim-3-000-years-of-religion-in-the-land-between-23f220a697f7

All article claiming that Jews are as connected do on thing in common, they don't post the percentages, they avoid it!

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Post the link!

Its linked in the post

https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/gsyzz2/saudi_arabians_and_iranian_jews_had_the_highest/

Even this one despite trying really hard to dismiss the lack of DNA connection to the region by the majority of the Jewish population point out the most connected to the area are not Jews.

Jews have more Canaanite DNA than Palestinians. If you want to use that as the determining factor to who should occupy the land then it should go back to the Jews

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I agree DNA should not be used to determine one's right to live somewhere, but it does prove that the Zionist claims that they are returning to their ancestral land is complete nonsense.

Are you denying that Judea was a thing?

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Tdawg

Today 11:46 am JST

Post the link!

> Its linked in the post

> https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/gsyzz2/saudi_arabians_and_iranian_jews_had_the_highest/

> Even this one despite trying really hard to dismiss the lack of DNA connection to the region by the majority of the Jewish population point out the most connected to the area are not Jews.

> Jews have more Canaanite DNA than Palestinians. If you want to use that as the determining factor to who should occupy the land then it should go back to the Jews

Reddit?

Did you even read what you linked?

It says nothing of the sort!

It actually says Lebanese and Palestinians have more!

Did you think I wouldn't read the facts only the Haaretz attempt at manipulation of data?

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The attempts by 2 here to try and claim Palestinians are new 7th century, 20th century to the area remind me why religion and hard line religious people are the biggest problem.

One religion claims that North America was once populated by "white" people and the first nations/native Americans came and conquered and replaced the whites !

Does anyone actually believe this is true?

Well the same applies here!

The facts do not support the hardline Israeli claims about the Palestinians science has clearly put those false claims to rest.

The sad part is that we most read these false claims every time an article on Israel is posted.

And yes we must rebuke and correct them if not their false information will keep spreading!

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Reddit?

Did you even read what you linked?

Did you? The linked research paper literally proves my point. Where in the document does it state otherwise?

It actually says Lebanese and Palestinians have more!

Which page of my link does it state this in?

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Did you think I wouldn't read the facts only the Haaretz attempt at manipulation of data?

What manipulation of data? The source directly states it lmao

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""The international community has long viewed the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel as the only realistic way to resolve the conflict.""

It is the ONLY path forward, Israel can't continue on it's current path and Hamas will always be there to PROVE IT.

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