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White supremacist waving the american flag and invoking the first amendment, but denying it to others...

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These facists went to Charlottesville looking for trouble. It's domestic terrorism, plain and simple.

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"This is about an anti-white climate within the Western world and the need for white people to have advocacy like other groups do," he said in an interview.

And people actually buy into this falsehood. Remarkable.

Keep the statue and change the plaque to "Defeated racist traitor".

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These guys are a new category of terrorist and should be treated as such going forward. Nazis are traitors to America and should not be considered Americans

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To Toasted Heretic, in the spirit of being fair, then bring down Martin Luther King statues and rename all the streets or school named for General Lee and Martin Luther King or others...

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To Toasted Heretic, in the spirit of being fair, then bring down Martin Luther King statues and rename all the streets or school named for General Lee and Martin Luther King or others...

Oh, for sure. It's well documented that King was a supporter of slavery and fought to continue oppression of black Americans in the Civil War.

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Someone needs to inform these losers that they aren't being persecuted for being white; they're being rejected for being dumb.

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If blacks can walk through the streets shouting Black lives matter then whites can do the same, shouting White lives matter.

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It's funny that those who proclaim themselves the "superior race" still need to cry it out loud over the roofs. If the allegations beared an ounce of truth, they wouldn't need rallies, hoodies and cross burnings in the woods to convince people. America's legacy is a complete balls-up.

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@ironsword

I think they were already shouting "white power" long before.

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General Lee is wiped out from people's memory while Sherman, the absolute war criminal by today's standard are memorized as hero. Proves once again history is written by the winners.

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To Toasted Heretic, thank you for the response. While and I respect Dr. King for the record, all parties of color, creed, religion have a fair chance to pronounce or denounce what they feel of expression. Good for bad all classes should have their say and be respect by others and allow each other to voice the opinions. I do not condone the violence from both sides, and that is what happens when there is no respect for each other.  The Civil War was not so much for or against slavery but more beyond that and simply for the lands of the south to be taxed by the federal government. Rich soils, and sources of production, but somehow many out there are confused and added the slavery card to the Civil War.  Please feel free to continue our discussion. I do not agree that when it comes to being a US Patriot is and should not be about color, creed, nor religion of an individual as the US is a nation built by immigrants. Diversity is what makes Americans special and the same applies for the Black Panthers.  It only brings division of which the US does not need especially today.

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General Lee is wiped out from people's memory while Sherman, the absolute war criminal by today's standard are memorized as hero.

I only pray that is that standard. Sherman destroyed a lot of property in North Georgia with psychological warfare but hardly any lives were lost.

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Trump should've condemned this more strongly for what it was, a hate crime and homegrown terrorism.

Imagine if the driver of that car had been a Muslim. Trump would be saying something like, "We will NEVER, ok, believe me, NEVER tolerate such acts of terror like this on our own soil as Americans!"

This is along the lines of what he should've said anyway about this particular attack.

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I do not condone the violence from both sides, and that is what happens when there is no respect for each other. 

The day I start to respect nazis is the day hell freezes over.

It only brings division of which the US does not need especially today.

Division exists because of hatreds that have been there for centuries. The healing cannot have any hope until the US govt (whichever party is in charge) decides to treat these offenders as it would any other terrorist group.

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If blacks can walk through the streets shouting Black lives matter then whites can do the same, shouting White lives matter.

Because white people have been treated as chattel, enslaved and oppressed and even when freed, white people were still treated as sub-human. They were segregated, lynched and finally; when one white man became President (the first of his color) a billionaire black businessman questioned whether he was actually American.

Have I got that right?

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Imagine if the driver of that car had been a Muslim. Trump would be saying something like, "We will NEVER, ok, believe me, NEVER tolerate such acts of terror like this on our own soil as Americans!"

I totally agree. Instead, Trump patted himself on the back, as usual, for all the supposed good things that are attributed to his administration. It's sickening how he will exploit any opportunity to grandstand and stoke his ego. Fake news? Seems to me, like Trump likes to dish out a lot of it himself.

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Human lives matter, but for certain groups it doesn't matter.   Criminals and felons (regardless of ethnicity) shoot law enforcement officers (regardless of ethnicity) because they don't like the fact that they are prosecuted for breaking the law.

White lives matter?  No, Human lives matter.   Black lives matter? No... once again HUMAN LIVES MATTER.   But one group specifically wants to "feel" like they "deserve" and should be "given"  more than other human beings because of the pigmentation of their skin.   Normal human beings want to live their lives.  Jackasses want to lord their idea of "living" over others or disrupt peaceful existence of others with some bizarre delusions for grandeur.

Until arrogant self aggrandizing fools learn that they're not special in any way over others, they just might learn how much they've been putting themselves down by trying to put others down.

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How is it that humans are so dumb?

What horror.

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To: Toasted Heretic, re" The day I start to respect nazis is the day hell freezes over."

If that is the case and your entitled to your opinion, however isn't seems this is the same hate that your voicing, respect is honorable, but not respecting can be seen as hate so which is better? I'm not saying I condone or am for Nazism, much less support, however I can respect that they do have a voice regardless of what they preach...not practicing where it infringes on the rights of others is another whole different matter. Division is not all alone from hatred, but differences and the lack of respect to interact and withhold actions or the need to act violently to each other vs compromise and working together.

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@bjohnson23  Respecting the right to free speech in the US is one thing.  Respecting oppressive, regressive, subversive ideologies is quite another.

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Nazi Germany did not respect democracy or freedom of expression therefore the Nazi should not be expected to enjoy those benefits of an open democracy. They are traitors and enemy combatants and should be treated as such.

Nazi vermin only understands force so they should be happily obliged. They were wiped out once in the 40's by the heroic generation, so we need to do our part today to not disgrace their actions and legacy

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If that is the case and your entitled to your opinion, however isn't seems this is the same hate that your voicing, respect is honorable, but not respecting can be seen as hate so which is better?

My apologies. I cannot bring myself to respect nazis. Of any ilk. If this makes me guilty of perceived hate, so be it.

Nazis were responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews, Roma, homosexuals, disabled people and political prisoners.

What's not to loathe when it comes to these animals and their followers? Think about it.

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Are we arguing here about the rally, or the driver that plowed into them??

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Very sad day for America.

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Can anyone explain why is the word "nationalists" being used?

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As someone who actually had family members killed in the holocaust, I find it ridiculous to hear people constantly comparing everything to the Nazis and Nazi Germany. Southern white supremacists are southern white supremacists. The Nazis were the Nazis.

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"This is about an anti-white climate within the Western world and the need for white people to have advocacy like other groups do," he said in an interview.

Someone here said something similar.

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If blacks can walk through the streets shouting Black lives matter then whites can do the same, shouting White lives matter.

BLM supporters do not try to demonstrate their superiority. White Supremacists walking down the street with torches, military outfits and guns to frighten people shouldn't be allowed to demonstrate. This was just provocation!

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Trump's election emboldened the white supremacists. And Trump still can't bring himself to single them out for this ugly, planned march of violence against a peaceful place.

I'm guessing he's quite happy with the situation. What with his inflammatory comments on NK and Venezuela its not like the media are talking about Russia and the grand jury. He shrieks at the media daily yet has a canny nack of getting them to talk about what he wants them to talk about.

It's divide and concur. Nothing more.

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Conquer

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That photo.

You see a sign that says love in the background, a BLM sign with a peace symbol on it, a black man being hit, a white man flying over the car.

It's very difficult to look at but very necessary because it illustrates what's wrong so perfectly: When your actions are fueled by hate, everyone gets hurt.

It's disgusting that after all of these centuries we can't all love and prosper together.

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As someone who actually had family members killed in the holocaust, I find it ridiculous to hear people constantly comparing everything to the Nazis and Nazi Germany. Southern white supremacists are southern white supremacists. The Nazis were the Nazis.

I find comparisons of Trump to Hitler stupid. That drags the argument down to a level as stupid and ignorant as comparing Bernie Sanders to Stalin ( I actually read that comparison here ). It's as stupid as advocating birtherism.

However, seeing swastikas at rallies like this is very disturbing. It's only a minority but I'm pretty sure these people would act in a similar manner to the Nazis if given the opportunity.

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The face of the oppressed in America, according to Trump fans:

https://www.google.com/search?q=protestors+torches&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWl92B9tPVAhVB5WMKHUesDYMQ_AUIESgB&biw=768&bih=937&dpr=2#imgrc=owTxgH9WrqWCdM:

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Because white people have been treated as chattel, enslaved and oppressed and even when freed, white people were still treated as sub-human.

Interesting, so this is about revenge and not about learning from the past not repeating the ugly past. Well, hearing comments like that, I can guarantee this is only the beginning of what's yet to sadly come.

However, seeing swastikas at rallies like this is very disturbing. It's only a minority but I'm pretty sure these people would act in a similar manner to the Nazis if given the opportunity.

We both can finally agree on something, now if you can condemn the actions of the Antifa moonbats then all is good and fair. These scum jobs are extremely violent and even more dangerous looking at their actions across the globe, I hate these people equally and they need to go away as well, far, far away.

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Interesting, so this is about revenge and not about learning from the past not repeating the ugly past. Well, hearing comments like that, I can guarantee this is only the beginning of what's yet to sadly come.

Its not saying its 'revenge.' Its a rejection of the comparison between BLM and the KKK. Not even remotely similar. The Kkk was created to haunt emancipates slaves. They raped, pillaged, and lynched.

Not the same at all, and 'let's all just move on' doesn't cut it when you are so busy trying to reapportion the blame.

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My wife (Japanese) asked me what happened in Virginia, and to simplify it, I said "A bunch of rednecks and a bunch of hippies showed up at some stupid protest. Some redneck drove his car into a bunch of hippies."

This news and its fallout makes me glad to have spent a happy, quiet Saturday working in my garden with my wife listening to the birds and nowhere near all those jackasses. ...and what a bunch of jackasses they are, the lot of 'em: The Talibanesque liberals who want to smash the idols of the past for being out of agreement with their worldviews of today, the dipstick idiots last night with their torches hollering about "Jews" (whatever the hell Jews have to do with the price of tea in China; go figure), the hippies with their helmets, backpacks, and stupid signs, the toothless unwashed creatures who crawled out of the backwoods with their Nazi flags, looking to blame someone for their unhappiness at having to live in trailers and crap in outhouses amongst alcoholism, poverty, and domestic violence...

I think what most of it boils down to is unhappiness and dissatisfaction. People don't have the lives they want so they blame everyone but themselves: They blame brown people, Obama, Trump, the 1% and "the corporations", lesbians, whoever. 

On the other hand, happy people realize that they are in the driver's seat, reins in hand, when it comes to their own lives- shortcomings and all. If you want it, go get it. If you can't get what you want, get what you need.

Whatever you do, realize that happiness comes from within. The lack thereof is certainly not the fault of some group you don't even associate with. 

Maybe these idiots should all learn about Buddhism and end their eternal suffering.

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The City screwed up by deciding to remove the statue to begin with.

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Its not saying its 'revenge.' Its a rejection of the comparison between BLM and the KKK.

What's the difference? I thought hate is hate???

The Kkk was created to haunt emancipates slaves. They raped, pillaged, and lynched.

And the BLM advocated violence and that violence has cost over 75 police officer lives and I hope you won't give some lack luster excuse about it. These filth hide behind justice and use it as a crutch as a justification for their hatred of Whites or anyone else that opposes them and will use physical force to achieve their goals.

They haven't been around as long as the Klan, but that doesn't mean they're less racists

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And the BLM advocated violence and that violence has cost over 75 police officer lives and I hope you won't give some lack luster excuse about it.

Prove it. And I hope you don't cite American Freedom Fighters.

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Prove it. And I hope you don't cite American Freedom Fighters.

I already did and a number of police officials stated that fact as well. I'm not a police officer, but I would think the feds have that info and wouldn't admit to it if it weren't true.

My wife (Japanese) asked me what happened in Virginia, and to simplify it, I said "A bunch of rednecks and a bunch of hippies showed up at some stupid protest. Some redneck drove his car into a bunch of hippies."

Bingo!

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I already did and a number of police officials stated that fact as well

Where? Source please? When did BLM murder 75 police officers?

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And the BLM advocated violence and that violence has cost over 75 police officer lives

Source and links?

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Where? Source please? When did BLM murder 75 police officers?

We went through this before. But anyway, I could care less what the left believe, they believe what makes them feel happy and vice versa and leave it at that.

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M3M3M3:

As someone who actually had family members killed in the holocaust, I find it ridiculous to hear people constantly comparing everything to the Nazis and Nazi Germany. Southern white supremacists are southern white supremacists. The Nazis were the Nazis.

Tell that to the people there waving Nazi flags and T-shirts with Nazi-linked statements. If they're followers of Nazism, then they'll call themselves Nazis. And so others will call them Nazis.

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But anyway, I could care less what the left believe, they believe what makes them feel happy and vice versa and leave it at that.

Disingenuous, clearly you do care as you mention the left in pretty much every post of yours.

Tbf; you often confuse them with the Democrats; who are not left wing.

I'd take your efforts to smear BLM more seriously if you actually bothered to research your subjects and were able to differentiate between Centerist politics and the left.

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White nationalist Richard Spencer, from the article:

"This is about an anti-white climate within the Western world and the need for white people to have advocacy like other groups do," he said in an interview.

bass4funk:

When you marginalize one ethnic group [whites] of course that resentment would build up.

Looks like some shared concerns.

Now we're watching you make a concerted effort to flood the message boards with attacks on the left (mostly blacks) in an article about white supremacists. And no, I don't think you are a white supremacist. Those are bad people and you are a good person. You just say the same things is all. Kind of like when you said it's OK to refuse a rental property to a person if they are black and it doesn't make you racist. Because obviously racists are bad people, and that's not you. You just refuse to rent to black people because, as you explained, it's just sound business decision-making.

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the toothless unwashed creatures who crawled out of the backwoods 

Quick with the stereotypes aren't we? I was born and raised in that area, and can tell you that very few if any of the demonstrators come from that area, they are too busy farming and taking care of their families to attend such an event. We Hillbilly's don't crawl out of the backwoods, we usually stay on our land and only cause trouble if you come onto our land uninvited. Also, all my family have all their teeth by the way.

If you look at the pictures closely you will see clean shaven, well clothed men in their 20's and 30's with their mouths full of teeth, who came mostly from other states. There may be a few on both sides who fit your description, but not the majority. There are troublemakers from both sides who came from far and wide to converge at that location just so they could be seen and heard, and then fight with each other, thinking that somehow or another they were going to change the other sides mind!

Poor White people who you like to refer to as rednecks, can't afford to drive to get food most of the time, but you want to make it out as if they are the ones travelling that far with some objective, sorry to burst your bubble, but the majority are middle class whites, not Hillbillys, or your definition of a redneck!

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@Jimizo

I agree. The rhetoric has certainly become a bit over the top. If everyone who leans right is a nazi and everyone who leans left is a communist, then those words have lost their meaning and nobody is a real nazi or a real communist.

As far as racists waving swastikas and making heil hitler salutes at these rallies, the thing they want most is for others to play into their delusions of grandeur and acknowledge them as genuine Nazis. I'd rather deny them that simply out of spite. I have no problem with using the term neo-Nazi though, which is a distinction the media is generally careful to make.

The second reason I think it's particularly perverse to refer to American racists as Nazis is because is obscures America's own history. These are not imported ideas from Nazi Germany but instead have their roots firmly planted in America (especially the south). Any who has studied the Nazis knows that Hitler took great inspiration from racist American segregation laws. Hitler directly praises America in Mein Kampf. In reality, it wouldn't have been inaccurate to refer to 1930-40s German Nazis as 'neo-American segregationist'.

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Only the first line in my previous post was a quote, I don't know why it quoted the first paragraph too!

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Attempts to erase or sanitize history by the P C crowd often have consequences. Another indication of the Trap constricting.

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Disingenuous, clearly you do care as you mention the left in pretty much every post of yours.

Pointing out hypocrisy and caring are two different things.

Tbf; you often confuse them with the Democrats; who are not left wing.

Tbh; No, I do not.

I'd take your efforts to smear BLM more seriously if you actually bothered to research your subjects and were able to differentiate between Centerist politics and the left.

You can take it however it fits your narrative, I'm just calling what I have seen and dealt with, you don't know me or seen walked in my shoes, sorry. Been in this business too long and know exactly how this game is played.

Now we're watching you make a concerted effort to flood the message boards with attacks on the left (mostly blacks) in an article about white supremacists.

No, I just made a clear point that the left is soaked in hypocrisy and it's interesting how the MSM will turn their attention and call one group and racist, but ignore another racist group. That's all, it was a quick and to the point observation, you guys kept the argument on that going, all I said was, denying that is a complete lie, that's all.

And no, I don't think you are a white supremacist.

Most definitely not!

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people peacefully protesting a white nationalist rally

From the images I have seen, many of those protesting the rally were not peaceful.

Yeah, the pic above shows a sign with "love", but elsewhere one had a sign saying: "Killing Nazis is my heritage".

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Tbh; No, I do not.

Are you sure?

I could care less what the left thinks or try to whisper in the ears of the naive, this is a witch hunt and Mueller and his Democratic donor cronies are trying to bring this president down, just save the BS talk that the left care

8 of these lawyers have deep ties to the Democrat party and are heavy Democratic voters. I'm sick and tired of the left

the left do it as well and are experts at it, another reason why they keep losing elections, they never take personal responsibility.

The left being the capitalist group they are, like Susan Rice said

There's pages and pages of it. You get the picture.

You can take it however it fits your narrative, I'm just calling what I have seen and dealt with, you don't know me or seen walked in my shoes, sorry. Been in this business too long and know exactly how this game is played.

I know the difference between bias and actual facts. Facts not culled from conspiracy sites or anecdotes,

I could post anecdotes to counter your anecdotes but what would be the point? Facts, checking sources, linking to stats and keeping your narrative relatively consistent are far more helpful.

Anyway; this does be about nazis not BLM.

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Any who has studied the Nazis knows that Hitler took great inspiration from racist American segregation laws.

Anyone who knows anything about history know that the Nazi's took ideas from the American Progessive Left in the early 1900's to justify the extermination of different groups of people including the disabled and of course Jews.

America continues to see its citizens by their racial categories instead of as individuals. Until Americans rid themselves of the government use of race to divide the people against one another there will be no possibility of a just society.

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Hate is hate, both groups have caused it. I hate both of them with a passion

That's a lot of hate.

Nazis have an irrational hatred and fear of what they believe are "inferior races". Are you equating BLM folk and antifa groups with nazis? Do you think that nazis and their followers should be tolerated and embraced by America?

Can you understand why people might protest against racists and others who carry out brutalities to people of color?

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Anyone who knows anything about history know that the Nazi's took ideas from the American Progessive Left in the early 1900's to justify the extermination of different groups of people including the disabled and of course Jews.

The nazis were and are far right fanatics. Then and now, they see communists as something to fear and vilify.

Hitler blamed Jews, socialists and Bolsheviks for Germany's ills. He scapegoated them.

http://www.annefrank.org/en/Anne-Frank/Life-in-Germany/Hitlers-antisemitism/

Many nationalists and conservatives believed that Germany had not lost the war on the battlefield but due to betrayal from within, by a ‘stab in the back’. Socialists, communists and particularly Jews were blamed, even though more than 100,000 German and Austrian Jews had served in the war and 12,000 had been killed.

https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-hitler-a-socialist-1221367

When Hitler came to power he attempted to dismantle trade unions and the shell that remained loyal to him; he supported the actions of leading industrialists, actions far removed from socialism which tends to want the opposite. Hitler used the fear of socialism and communism as a way of terrifying middle and upper-class Germans into supporting him.

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read their Black nationalist web site and their statements about separate treatment for black people in society.

I have. What specifically do you object to on their site?

BLM was at that rally and were taunting the White racists. BLM and Antifa extremists engaged in violence also.

In other words, they were asking for it?

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Lots of good comments. My two cents:

People in America have the right to express their opinions in public - time, place and manner restriction applied. The KKK, Nazis and WS's in Charlottesville are people in America.

The KKK, Nazis and WS's have the right to express their unpopular and obnoxious opinions. It is not terrorism for them to gather together and march -- with the standard time, place and manner restrictions. I don't know if their intentionally inflammatory night time torch march (see what I did there) got prior approval, but if it did, then all is ok.

If you think its terrorism for them to march and spew their, granted, hateful bile, then you understand neither terrorism nor free speech.

Driving your car into a crowd of people is not a form of protected speech. It is a crime. And, it seems pretty darn likely this crime by the young man from Ohio wasn't some random thing.

It is possible to probable that this was a terrorist act. We will find out the details soon enough.

Finally, assuming the car attack was terrorism, that makes neither the KKK, Nazi rally, nor the counter protesters responsibile in any way. That is not how it works.

In the US, we have the right to gather and express our opinions in public. We do not have the right to advocate immanent harm to others. And we do not the right to drive cars into crowds of people with whom we oppose.

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Nazis have an irrational hatred and fear of what they believe are "inferior races". Are you equating BLM folk and antifa groups with nazis?

Yes, sir.

Do you think that nazis and their followers should be tolerated and embraced by America?

I believe that every person has the right to free speech and I would protect that right even sleaze bags like the Nazis, Antifa, BLM all of them. We are not a fascist nation.

Can you understand why people might protest against racists and others who carry out brutalities to people of color?

Does people of color include white people or because they are Non-white they are allowed to claim racism once they are attacked or subjected to pain, scorn and physical and emotional humiliation?

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So I guess it doesn't matter that I just watched a video where someone hits the rear of the car with a baseball bat right before he accelerates into the crowd?

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Good job, Trump!

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@Blacklabel

My reaction to having the back of my car hit with a baseball bat wouldn't be to drive it at high speed into a group of people.

Cars are equipped with functions called brakes. They are useful functions. I've often used them. I once used them to stop my car running over a hedgehog.

How far away from a person with a baseball bat while you are protected in a shell of metal and glass ( glass designed not to shatter ) do you need to be?

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Cars are equipped with functions called brakes. They are useful functions. I've often used them. I once used them to stop my car running over a hedgehog.

I was under the impression that liberals hated cars, they drive?

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Oh yeah so you wouldn't be frightened by the sound of a baseball bat damaging the back of your car. You would just stop right in the middle of a group of people with weapons and allow them to attack you more, maybe breaking out your windows and then dragging you out of you car to beat you even some more?

peaceful counterprotestors carry bats now and are people are allowed to block roads while attacking and damaging any cars that drive through now? How would these peaceful people who attacked his car and others know the driver of this car was a Trump supporter by the way?

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Oh yeah so you wouldn't be frightened by the sound of a baseball bat damaging the back of your car. You would just stop right in the middle of a group of people with weapons and allow them to attack you more, maybe breaking out your windows and then dragging you out of you car to beat you even some more?

Try using that defense at his murder trial. The fact is, this motorist killed someone, and that cannot be justified.

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Oh yeah so you wouldn't be frightened by the sound of a baseball bat damaging the back of your car. You would just stop right in the middle of a group of people with weapons and allow them to attack you more, maybe breaking out your windows and then dragging you out of you car to beat you even some more?

Would your reaction be to put your foot down and plough through a group of people?

Watch the video again. Wouldn't you have hit the brakes?

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Where does this term "nationalists" come from? Their actions are anti-American -- therefore they cannot be called nationalists. The correct term is "radical right-wing bigots."

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Yep can't be justified until after the trial decides what happened to cause this. Will also need to determine the level of culpability of the person who hit the car with a bat.

But the existence of video of an attack prior to the acceleration as well as a group of armed people blocking the road also makes this look much less intentional than the narrative of the left currently requires.

Some states have already passed laws saying it is illegal to block roads and anyone hurt unintentionally by a driver, the driver is not responsible.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/us/nd-protest-driver-bill-trnd/index.html

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No telling what anyone would do in this situation. I definitely would not have hit the brakes and stopped right in the middle of a bunch of armed people who have already dented my car with a baseball bat. I am allowed to protect myself from people trying to harm me.

There is also something called PROTECTION OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY ACT. This says you may in some cases use deadly force against an attacker if in your dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle. I don't know the law in this state about that.

sinply put this isn't as cut and dried or intentional as some of you hope. The role of the attackers who blocked a public road, police who stood down and Dem officials who ordered them to do so all have a part to play in this too.

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Yep can't be justified until after the trial decides what happened to cause this. Will also need to determine the level of culpability of the person who hit the car with a bat.

I've watched six different videos of this incident, and I haven't seen any footage of anyone hitting the vehicle in question with a bat. What I have seen is a vehicle traveling at a high speed for that particular stretch of road and then slamming into a crowd of people.

Some states have already passed laws saying it is illegal to block roads and anyone hurt unintentionally by a driver, the driver is not responsible.

In this particular case, the road was cordoned off by police for this rally. Therefore, there shouldn't have been any traffic at all. The driver had no business being on that stretch of road at that time.

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if the road was blocked off why were there multiple cars traveling on it?

Here you go:

https://streamable.com/21gc9

you can see a guy jump out in the street behind the car and hear it crash into the car before the car accelerates.

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it=the bat the person swung. You can see him swing it and hear it crash into the back of the car. Only after that does the car accelerate and people start screaming.

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if the road was blocked off why were there multiple cars traveling on it?

There were not "multiple cars" traveling on it. There were two cars stopped and waiting at the intersection (that probably came from the adjoining street) that was not blocked off by police. The road that the driver came flying down was cordoned off.

you can see a guy jump out in the street behind the car and hear it crash into the car before the car accelerates.

But, it still does not show anyone wielding a bat. Also, the car has no noticeable damage on it's rear--the lights, spoiler, and fenders all look quite pristine. If someone had hit it, there would have been some damage, no?

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Two other cars in front of the car that was attacked were untouched by protestors as they drove through.

yet somehow the guy taking the video immediately knew to say "that Nazi just drove into people" as the 3rd car that had just been attacked slammed into the car in front of it. He knew who was driving and that they were a Nazi how?

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/12/charlottesville-crash-protesters-video-orig-vstop-dlewis.cnn

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yet somehow the guy taking the video immediately knew to say "that Nazi just drove into people" as the 3rd car that had just been attacked slammed into the car in front of it. He knew who was driving and that they were a Nazi how?

Ask him.

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No the 2 cars were right in front of the car that was attacked and moving slowly through the crowd in the same direction untouched (CNN video).

You are seriously telling me you didn't see a guy jump out in the street behind that car and swing a baseball bat in that streamable.com video?

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Also to be considered at the trial is the TMZ video that shows at least 5 people breaking out his right side and back windows with bats or heavy sticks as the car was stopped prior to him even backing the car up and fleeing.

the back of the car also has a dent/missing paint to the left of the license plate where the initial bat attack occurred prior to the acceleration. Lots to consider here.

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You are seriously telling me you didn't see a guy jump out in the street behind that car and swing a baseball bat in that streamable.com video?

Yes, I did not see a bat. However, I did see a person hit the car under the left rear bumper with something (but it wasn't clear that it was a bat).

However, it still doesn't justify what the driver did--and good luck trying to get any court of law to accept that explanation as an excuse to plow into a group of unarmed people (yes, the people he hit were not armed--unless of course, you have video of that).

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yeah lots of them were armed with heavy sticks or bats

Got video of that too:

http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2017/08/13/charlottesville-car-attack-terrorist-white-supremacist-rally/

anyway this is already not what it was presented to be regardless. Just a matter now of what the law is for that state and if they can somehow prove intent or not.

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anyway this is already not what it was presented to be regardless. Just a matter now of what the law is for that state and if they can somehow prove intent or not.

I'm sure that James Alex Fields' legal team will be in touch with you soon.

I'm also sure that Heather Heyer's family would love to sit down with you and listen to your defense of this situation and how it resulted in the death of their daughter.

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Got video of that too:

No, you don't. The people he hit were not carrying bats, pipes, or any weapons. The driver cannot claim self-defense in this situation since Heather Heyer or the people he injured were not carrying any weapons, hitting his car, or attacking him personally, so the Protect of Persons Property Act does not apply here.

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I saw the video and to be fair, both sides were carrying sticks and bats and yes, behind the car, there is a man wielding either a bat or stick.

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I saw the video and to be fair, both sides were carrying sticks and bats and yes, behind the car, there is a man wielding either a bat or stick

I've seen lots of video footage from many different angles. Yes, you are right, it looks like both sides were carrying sticks and other objects; however, the courts are probably going to be looking at what the people who got hit were carrying--and it looks like they were carrying either signs or nothing at all--it certainly doesn't justify what happened to them.

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"However, it still doesn't justify what the driver did--and good luck trying to get any court of law to accept that explanation as an excuse to plow into a group of unarmed people (yes, the people he hit were not armed--unless of course, you have video of that)."

Virginia is a "stand-your-ground" state. That means as long as your not part of the problem and are innocent, you can stand your ground and use force to defend yourself wherever you may be.

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Big correction to this story - white supremacists nor any other group were not responsible for the helicopter crash (and death of those on-board). So to say because there was a protest/counter-protest, and the police employed a helicopter for monitoring purposes, and subsequently crashed, it's the fault of the protestors, is false news. Barring a video surfacing which shows a white nationalist firing an rpg, stinger or potato cannon - it should be clarified as false.

Aside from those who follow the white supremacist rhetoric, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who thinks Nazism or white supremacy is a good thing. However, in America there is such a thing as free speech. But the left in America and this current generation of SJWs live by a code where nobody can speak or have an opinion which varies from theirs, or else face their wrath. Professional babies.

Any group - big or small, left or right wing, racist or inclusive, has the right to apply for a permit and hold a public event, protest, etc (with permit in hand). You don't have to agree with those holding the event, or those in attendance. And you can certainly counter-protest if you so desire. But this constant banter of SJW who think silencing those you disagree with is the answer because your delicate sensibilities can't handle any thought process different from your own - pathetic.

To hell with these racists, but they have the same right to walk thru the street to protest the removal of a stupid statue and love of white people - just as the SJW have the right to cry that Trump isn't their President, have temper tantrums with Milo speaks at their school, or decide they don't feel they should have to pay their student loans.

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The nazis were and are far right fanatics. Then and now, they see communists as something to fear and vilify.

Right or Left, Nazi's and communists share many of the same characteristics. They are both socialist in their orientation. The Nazi's were nationalist socialists and the communists were - and continue to be - more internationalist. Both authoritarian and placed the rights of the party over the inalienable rights of individuals. Back in the 1930's and 40's they hated each other in Europe primarily because they were competitors for power and not due to their lack of collectivist commonalities.

Hitler blamed Jews, socialists and Bolsheviks for Germany's ills. He scapegoated them.

That is for the most part true but a non-sequitur. I was making the point that Hitler borrowed heavily from the American Progressives belief in the "science" Eugenics to inform their views on what they considered a better society.

Hitler used the fear of socialism and communism as a way of terrifying middle and upper-class Germans into supporting him.

Hitler's party had the word "Socialist" in it's title. He was against the communists but absolutely supported socialism. Sure his version of it was inward looking and less internationalist than the Soviets of the time but was very much collectivist in nature. Hitler also admired Mussolini who forced industry into the service of the state. I see the Left often trying to distance themselves from Nazi's as if their fascist influenced version of socialism was worst than Stalins more purer and internationalist version. In the end the distinction is irrelevant because they both had socialist roots and both were horrific.

That gets me back to the neo-Nazi's in Charlottesville. These people seem to have no realistic end goals and are very much a fringe group in America. I imagine they feel hopeless and have turned to tribalism. The BLM, Antifa, American Communists and other socialist groups should not engage them directly and violently as they did in Charlottesville. It seems the Left believes that this aids their cause because they know only the violence from the White Nationalists side will be acknowledged by the main stream media. That tactic however is flawed. The violence on the Left is getting noticed as we have seen on college campuses in the last year or two. Also the violence also only serves to bring out the worst on both sides. That doesn't help anyone.

Neither the white nationalists or the Progressive groups that fought against them are part of any real solution to the racial divide. They are both racialist in their views and only lead America further away from the color blind society that is the only moral end goal.

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