U.S. President Donald Trump gestures while exiting a Veterans Day Parade and Wreath Laying ceremony in New York City on Monday. Photo: REUTERS
world

Public hearings in Trump impeachment probe set to begin

84 Comments
By James Oliphant and Susan Heavey

Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives on Monday prepared to enter a crucial new phase - the first public hearings - in their impeachment inquiry of U.S. President Donald Trump, centered on his request that Ukraine investigate political rival Joe Biden.

On Wednesday and Friday, U.S. diplomats William Taylor, George Kent and Marie Yovanovitch are due to detail in public their concerns, previously expressed in testimony behind closed doors, that Trump and his administration sought to tie $391 million in security aid to Ukraine to an investigation of the former U.S. vice president and his son Hunter Biden.

The public testimony before the House Intelligence Committee will be carried by major broadcast and cable television networks and is expected to be viewed by millions of people, as Democrats seek to make the case for Trump's potential removal from office.

The panel's Democratic chairman, Representative Adam Schiff, has been a target of the Republican president's attacks since the impeachment probe was launched in September after a whistleblower within the U.S. intelligence community brought a complaint against Trump over his July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

Democrats, who control the House, have argued that Trump abused his power in pressing a vulnerable U.S. ally to carry out investigations that would benefit Trump politically. Biden is a leading contender for the Democratic nomination to face the Republican president in the 2020 election. Hunter Biden served on the board of a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma.

Trump has denied there was a quid pro quo - or exchanging a favor for a favor - in his dealings with Ukraine, defended his call with Zelenskiy as "perfect" and branded the probe a politically motivated "hoax." Trump wrote on Twitter on Monday that the inquiry should be ended and the unnamed whistleblower, the whistleblower's lawyer and "Corrupt politician" Schiff should be investigated for fraud.

Democrats consider the open hearings to be crucial to building public support for a vote on articles of impeachment - formal charges - against Trump. If that occurs, the 100-seat Republican-controlled Senate would hold a trial on the charges. Republicans have so far shown little support for removing Trump from office, which would require two-thirds of senators present to vote to convict him.

No U.S. president ever has been removed from office through the impeachment process. It has been two decades since Americans last witnessed impeachment proceedings against a president. Republicans, who then controlled the House, brought impeachment charges against Democratic President Bill Clinton in a scandal involving his sexual relationship with a White House intern. The Senate voted to keep Clinton in office.

GIULIANI'S ROLE UNDER SCRUTINY

The House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday will first hear from Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine. He told lawmakers in closed-door testimony he was unhappy the administration had held up the congressionally approved aid to help combat Russia-backed separatists in the eastern part of Ukraine.

Taylor said he also became uncomfortable with what he described as an "irregular channel" of people involved in Ukraine policy, including Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer.

Kent, a senior State Department official who oversees Ukraine policy, will appear at Wednesday's hearing as well. Kent was also concerned about Giuliani's role in conducting shadow diplomacy - and has testified he was cut out of the decision-making loop on Ukraine matters.

On Friday, the committee will hear from Yovanovitch, who Trump removed as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine in May. She has testified that she was ousted after Giuliani and his allies mounted a campaign against her with what she called "unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives." Giuliani had been actively trying to get Ukraine to carry out investigations of the Bidens.

Democrats are likely to call further witnesses after this week.

Trump and Giuliani have made accusations - without providing evidence - that Joe Biden sought the dismissal of a Ukrainian prosecutor to block a corruption probe of Burisma. The Bidens have denied wrongdoing.

Condoleezza Rice, who served as U.S. secretary of state under Republican former President George W Bush, said reports of a shadow diplomacy were deeply troubling.

"What I see right now troubles me. I see a state of conflict between the foreign policy professionals and someone who says he's acting on behalf of the president, but frankly I don't know if that is the case," Rice said at a conference in Abu Dhabi.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told WCSC-TV, a CBS News affiliate in South Carolina, on Monday that he believes the testimony will show that the Trump administration's dealings with Ukraine were focused on rooting out corruption.

"I was part of America's Ukraine policy. We were very clear. We wanted to make sure that the corruption that has been existing in Ukraine for an awfully long time was reduced," Pompeo said.

Democrats have argued that Trump was seeking to pressure Ukraine to help smear one of his domestic political rivals, not combat corruption. Democrats have called Ukraine a country important to American national security interests in the face of Russian aggression and noted that rooting out corruption there has long been a U.S. objective, addressed also under Trump's Democratic predecessor Barack Obama.

Pompeo has sternly objected to efforts by House Democrats to obtain depositions in the impeachment inquiry from current and former State Department officials and accused Democrats of bullying and intimidation. Pompeo also has refused to comply with subpoenas for documents.

© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.

©2019 GPlusMedia Inc.

84 Comments

Comments have been disabled You can no longer respond to this thread.

Excellent. Now everyone gets to hear firsthand about Donny soliciting campaign assistance from a foreign government. We also get to witness republicans demonstrating that they care far more about staying in power than the rule of law.

11 ( +18 / -7 )

Trump wrote on Twitter on Monday that the inquiry should be ended and the unnamed whistleblower, the whistleblower's lawyer and "Corrupt politician" Schiff should be investigated for fraud.

Of course he's coming out with nonsense like this. He's desperate and terrified.

Expect more of the same from his zealots as the hearings progress.

11 ( +17 / -6 )

Of course he's coming out with nonsense like this. He's desperate and terrified.

We should also expect the weaponized Justice Department to open investigations into Schiff and the whistleblower.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Democrats continue to dig themselves a deeper hole with this shameful latest attempt to take down the president. They know they can't win the 2020 election even if Michelle jumps in.

-14 ( +8 / -22 )

Democrats continue to dig themselves a deeper hole with this shameful latest attempt to take down the president.

This is a weird characterization of the Dems engaging in oversight and ensuring Donny's corruption doesn't go unchecked. But, if it helps you sleep at night . . .

MThey know they can't win the 2020 election even if Michelle jumps in.

No, I don't think Dems know this. Again, if it helps you feel better about slavishly supporting an incompetent, corrupt twitter addict . . .

12 ( +16 / -4 )

He's a one-trick pony. He just keeps doing and repeating the same things over and over. The system has caught up to him, and he isn't smart enough to figure out how to adjust his game to stay ahead of the system.

He'll be impeached, the impeachment hearings will expose everything about him, and the Republicans will then put themselves on record as excusing his actions. Then the people will vote.

That will be the true telling of whether America is beyond the point of no return. If they still elect the representatives who protected Trump, even after all the evidence is out there for all to see, it will mean that there is no hope left for the country.

14 ( +18 / -4 )

New Trump reality TV

4 ( +8 / -4 )

They know they can't win the 2020 election even if Michelle jumps in.

Doesn't matter.

Trump corruption and the continuous contempt for the people must be brought to an end.

Lock him up and deprogram his disciples.

10 ( +15 / -5 )

Expect him to go down sooner than later.

He reminds me more and more of those Germans around 1930/1940, who kept on repeating things until people believed them.

If it was 'just" this Ukraine thing, maybe, but only maybe he would get away with it.

But there is more, much, much more.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Trump: "The hearings should be public!"

Dems: "Ok, we'll make the hearings public."

Trump: "The hearings should not be public!!"

On this Veterans Day, remember that Trump took money from his foundation, which was supposed to go the veterans, and spent it on a portrait of himself and illegal contributions to folks like Pam Bondi.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

While the Senate will never convict him, it is good to see the president's criminal behaviour explored in public. At least then the people who vote for him will have to do so in three knowledge that they are voting for a crook.

And I think the nation is also going to be interested in the state of his tax returns. It may give a clue as to why Donny feels the nees to steal from charity.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

15 people testified and we have 3 public witnesses? And no Republican witnesses at all. This will be a total disaster for Dems.

-14 ( +3 / -17 )

@serranoThey know they can't win the 2020 election

Given how many billions the global elite pour into Trump's campaign, given the global alt right's powerful media, it might be difficult to defeat Trump. The global elite have got even richer and more powerful since Trump's been in office and will do all it takes to keep him there. They want him to continue to undermine the principles the republic was built on to establish corporatist authoritarianism - for their benefit.

even if Michelle jumps in.

The global alt right sure seem to be afraid of women, especially women of color. Having said that, Michelle, who's ethical, honest, articulate and intelligent would be a welcome change from a man who's her opposite.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

He'll be impeached

We'll see if the Democrats actually have the votes to impeach him. Even if they do, it's DOA in the Senate.

Trump train coming through! Choo Choo!

-16 ( +3 / -19 )

We were very clear. We wanted to make sure that the corruption that has been existing in Ukraine for an awfully long time was reduced," Pompeo said.

Pompeo also has refused to comply with subpoenas for documents.

= everything was above board, the phone call was "perfect", but we the Trump faithful refuse to offer you evidence.

It's also interesting that the Trump administration cared so much about corruption in Ukraine that they tried to get funding for anti-corruption programs reduced, and they relied on the president's personal lawyer, Giuliani, rather than professionals in the diplomatic corps, to handle this concern.

5 ( +10 / -5 )

this shameful latest attempt 

When hearings were held behind closed doors, Trumpsters whined.

When hearings are held in public, Trumpsters whine.

Some people just can't handle the truth. You people voted for a crook.

12 ( +17 / -5 )

Democrats continue to dig themselves a deeper hole with this shameful latest attempt to take down the president. They know they can't win the 2020 election even if Michelle jumps in.

This is going to blow back so hard in their faces, I’m just a struck at how the Democrats are making it too easy for Trump to slide into a second term. Maybe, just maybe in 4 years they’ll look back and reflect on how their wicked ways took the, out of another Presidential election cycle.

-12 ( +6 / -18 )

15 people testified and we have 3 public witnesses? And no Republican witnesses at all. This will be a total disaster for Dems.

A pretty incoherent argument.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

The panel's Democratic chairman, Representative Adam Schiff, has been a target of the Republican president's attacks since the impeachment probe was launched in September after a whistleblower within the U.S. intelligence community brought a complaint against Trump over his July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

Hohoho. Schiff, along with his fellow Democrats, "resist" goons, and CNN-types have been attacking Trump since they embarrassed each other by assuming Hillary would never lose a 2nd attempt to become POTUS. Democrats, and Hillary worshippers, appear to feel really bad about themselves whenever Trump counterpunches the elected Democrat's attempts to overturn/overthrow the results of the last Presidential election.

Personally, I can't wait to find out how long team Schiff had been colluding with either whistleblower before Schiff made the whistleblowing claims public.

-16 ( +1 / -17 )

Finally Demos are ready for a open hearing. But funny things is that Adam Shitff is not allowing the republicans to call the witness and to ask questions to the witnesses. Such a shame on Adam Shitff. Why they are afraid of that?? In fact it is a cue by the rich and corrupt DEMOCRAT politicians to remove a president who fight against corruption. Democrats congress man and senators are millionaires and billionaires. They are in the Washington for over 30 years making millions through black deals, and through favor to favor. Trump wants to expose the 50 years old corruption. He will drain the swamp. And millionaire democrats are against and afraid of the most successful president in the American History. The left reporters and left media never tell the truth to people. But Trump will have super land slide in 2020..Watch ..

-14 ( +2 / -16 )

@nonpartyTrump wants to expose the 50 years old corruption. 

So he's going to release his tax info?

12 ( +14 / -2 )

Trump was going to drain the swamp while he continues to plug his own.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

More fact-less chest beating and false bravado from the Trumpers - nothing that addressed the mountain of evidence that Donnie orchestrated an extortion and shakedown of Ukraine on at least three occasions; one last Spring when he told the former President that no Oval Office meeting unless they investigated the Bidens, then the same bribery for the newly elected President in the summer, then an additional QPQ on the frozen military aid.

Donnie admitted it, Mulvaney admitted it, Crazy Rudy admitted it, Sondland admitted it (after lying first), Taylor confirmed it, and LTC Vindman heard it first hand on the phone call, plus all the others than confirmed it.

While not needed, it would be great to have John Bolton tell us all about Rudy the "Hand Grenade", the Ukraine "drug deal" and the meetings and info he stated "have yet to come out"...

Trumpers avoid the facts because they haven't any to reply with - so they sink to weak "Trump 2020" exhortations to ease their conflicted minds.

Nothing but Trumper Ambien...

They really need to load up when the open hearings start...

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Its interesting that the left has left Hillary behind. We never talk about her, don’t care about her, and frankly would prefer she just go away. The only purpose she serves now is as an example of right-wing hypocrisy.

These people are so stupid they claim that the reason we dislike Trump is because Hillary lost.

Yeah guys. The world is so simplistic you can boil the dislike of trump down to one single issue, and somehow there is such a massive conspiracy going on that they’ve convinced 99% of left to stop talking about her anymore while secretly plotting to remove trump and put Hillary up in his place. Somehow though you guys haven’t found any existence of said conspiracy even though the notes must have gone out to 100s of millions of trump haters world wide.

You people who keep on with this trope that the left cares about Hillary are just exposing yourselves for being too stupid to see how stupid such a claim appears to anyone with half a brain.

11 ( +11 / -0 )

Trumpers avoid the facts

What facts? Accusations from Ciaramilla don’t count.

because they haven't any to reply with - so they sink to weak "Trump 2020" exhortations to ease their conflicted minds.

While Democrat candidates continue to sink....

-13 ( +3 / -16 )

So why is it not a problem that almost everyone who testified in private and whose testimony helped build this “narrative” won’t be heard in public?

-9 ( +0 / -9 )

What facts? Accusations from Ciaramilla don’t count.

You don't even know what he said.

It's probably "Ciaramella".

Ciaramella now works as deputy national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia on the National Intelligence Council under the director of national intelligence.

7 ( +7 / -0 )

All of this is great. Just makes a Trump victory in 2020 more likely! Awesome!

-11 ( +2 / -13 )

Somebody got the new talking points. The dems and media overlords just agreed yesterday to change the wording to “extortion”. It’s still not as Ukraine gave nothing and did nothing to get the money.

orchestrated an extortion

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

It’s so sad Dems had to pull out both Bloomberg and a guy Obama will endorse, (Patrick) unlike his supposed best friend Joe.

this impeachment really is the last gasp effort, can’t win the election is very clear now.

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

Strangerland

I was only responding to ptownsend s comment about campaign financing. And you go on this Hillary tangent. The Dems lost because the super delegate s disenfranchised the Democratic voter and chose unwisely. And this year your choices are very weak. You can't run on hate trump with no policy points. It didn't work here for the hate Abe strategy either. This is why this impeachment is going on. It was going on from seating the delegates to purging any pro trump policy maker to supporters to the muller thing. It's like you never stops screaming since you lost.

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Trumpers avoid the facts

What facts? Accusations from Ciaramilla don’t count.

because they haven't any to reply with - so they sink to weak "Trump 2020" exhortations to ease their conflicted minds.

While Democrat candidates continue to sink....

Note no facts....

So why is it not a problem that almost everyone who testified in private and whose testimony helped build this “narrative” won’t be heard in public?

False outrage with no facts....

Somebody got the new talking points. The dems and media overlords just agreed yesterday to change the wording to “extortion”. It’s still not as Ukraine gave nothing and did nothing to get the money.

More spin, no facts...

They've got nothing, and they know it...they try to insert the so-called Whistle Blower but that person's been by-passed by Trump's own hand-picked team mates who have all testified it was a bribe and extortion...

And more about the process - yet when they get what they've whined about, they whine some more...

Nothing, nada, empty...

1 ( +5 / -4 )

It is a fact that only 3 of 15 people who testified in private are testifying in public.

fact.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

Did we get even 1 witness yet? Nope. Are all private people testifying publicly? Nope. So what is this “when we get what we whined about”? We haven’t gotten anything and you know this.

yet when they get what they've whined about, they whine some more...

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

Where’s Vindman? Maybe he can squeeze into that uniform one more time and tell us how he leaked classified into to his brother and possibly the whistleblower.

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

Where’s Vindman? Maybe he can squeeze into that uniform one more time and tell us how he leaked classified into to his brother and possibly the whistleblower.

This is how the craven right treat their patriots and those who have served. Question loyalties and belittle their service.

The craven right are happy to insinuate all kinds of everything and wish to endanger lives.

What's the term their leader uses? Ah yes, human scum.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

The "resist" movement started right after it became apparent that ol' Hillary had lost her 2nd attempt to become POTUS. The left-wing calls for Trumps impeachment began right after it became apparent that ol' Hillary had lost her 2nd attempt to become POTUS. Congresswoman wacky Maxine Waters has been calling for Trumps impeachment since his inauguration. The Mueller witch hunt was supposed to lead Trumps impeachment, but failed to provide the evidence to prove the Democrats preconceived guilty verdict. Even the whistleblowers lawyer was calling for Trumps impeachment in 2017, and claimed that CNN would be leading the way. At least he was correct about CNNs involvement.

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

Fact:

Joe Biden threatened to withhold US funding if the Ukraine government didn't fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son. The prosecutor was fired

Fact:

Joe bidens son, Hunter biden never attended a board meeting once when head of the ukraining energy company though he received thousands of dollars.

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

That’s why shifty Schiff is having a tantrum

I thought you were against name-calling?

3 ( +6 / -3 )

same day in WaPo and next day on TV. “Impeachment”. There hasn’t been a day go by in 3 years that some effort wasn’t underway to remove Trump.

now when Kelly and Tillerson outed by Nikki Haley for undermining the elected President, CNN just says it’s shocking they felt they had to do that. Ummm that’s treason, by the war.

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

now when Kelly and Tillerson outed by Nikki Haley for undermining the elected President,

Er, she criticized Trump as well. Quite vocally.

CNN just says it’s shocking they felt they had to do that. Ummm that’s treason, by the war.

There is treason, yes. It's where your leader commits by sharing classified info, using foreign powers to help meddle in the elections etc.

Will there be war because of it? Well, there are alt right types claiming that a civil war is approaching, but let's hope that's all just hyperbole. At the most, I think what's happening now is that there is a "cold" civil war, in the struggle to save America from the regime.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

All of this is great. Just makes a Trump victory in 2020 more likely! Awesome!

Actually it gets even better. Now the next time Republicans investigate a Dem president they don't need to give a fair hearing like they did for Bill. Schiff is not even pretending to be even handed after the Mueller coup attempt blew up in his face.

-6 ( +1 / -7 )

Trump was so worried about running against Biden he had to extort favors from Ukraine to help himself.

Trump is, was, and always will be a born rich loser.

6 ( +8 / -2 )

It is a fact that only 3 of 15 people who testified in private are testifying in public.

fact.

So? Who cares?

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Did we get even 1 witness yet? Nope. Are all private people testifying publicly? Nope. So what is this “when we get what we whined about”? We haven’t gotten anything and you know this.

So? Why should you?

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Where’s Vindman? Maybe he can squeeze into that uniform one more time and tell us how he leaked classified into to his brother and possibly the whistleblower.

Trumpers supporting bonespurs while criticizing purple hearts.

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Trump was so worried about running against Biden he had to extort favors from Ukraine to help himself.

Ahhh, that’s what the liberal networks keep telling you guys?

Trump is, was, and always will be a born rich loser.

To liberals, that is true.

-9 ( +1 / -10 )

the next time Republicans investigate a Dem president they don't need to give a fair hearing like they did for Bill.

The dems are playing by the rules of the game as set out by the pubs. Boo hoo to you.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

The Repubs will always have their media trial to fall back on to keep them entertained and outraged while the legitimate investigation against Trump makes it through the actual legal system.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Fact:Joe Biden threatened to withhold US funding if the Ukraine government didn't fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son. The prosecutor was fired

Not a fact. Not even true. He was fired for investigating corruption. Look up Shokin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin

4 ( +6 / -2 )

For not investigating corruption*

3 ( +5 / -2 )

The far right will do anything they can to keep their man in power.

Wait a minute, House Democrats are doing everything to stay in power..

ROFL!

Even if it means denigrating patriots etc.

Like Flynn, Petraeus and Kelly...that is until he left the WH and now he’s a hero to liberals.

They're even turning on each other now:

Bloomberg just jumped in the Presidential race a billionaire, they welcome him, then the progressive socialists cry foul because he is trying to buy his way to an election, meanwhile, Warren talks about taking everyone’s money and lies to people and the middle class their taxes won’t go up (as if we can’t use a calculator) Harris and Booker are crying racism that the process is rigged and all of them and Hillary on the sidelines are trying to sabotage Tulsi Gabbard because she wants to pull our Troops out of the ME and agrees with Trump on that, now she’s working for the Russians. But yeah, the Democrats are a peaceful and cohesive party. ROFL!

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

The Repubs will always have their media trial to fall back on to keep them entertained and outraged while the legitimate investigation against Trump makes it through the actual legal system.

Unfortunately they are undermining the legal system by attempting to subvert the court of public opinion. Their hope is that the people will take to the streets and rebel even though everything is done legally and by the book. They would rather have violence in the streets than have their democratically removed president removed from office. These same people scream how the rules must be followed for the electoral college, while at the same time screaming th4 rules must not be followed for impeachment.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Unfortunately they are undermining the legal system by attempting to subvert the court of public opinion.

Well, if you look at the polls, the country is divided that’s for sure. People have already made up their minds. People that hate Trump will continue to hate him, the ones that love Trump will continue to love him, nothing to change really, but the Republicans are justifiably fighting these allegations and if they don’t or won’t get it from the Dems, they should resist.

Their hope is that the people will take to the streets and rebel even though everything is done legally and by the book.

Who said that? Come on now....

They would rather have violence in the streets than have their democratically removed president removed from office.

Ok, now we’re falling into that Unicornverse again....the Dems wouldn’t remove Clinton and the Republicans won’t move Trump. Why would either party in an impeachment inquiry yield to the other party especially when their was no real crime committed.

These same people scream how the rules must be followed for the electoral college, while at the same time screaming th4 rules must not be followed for impeachment

My, my, my what are Dems going to do when Trump wins a second term....impeach him again?

-6 ( +1 / -7 )

The bizarro claims and half-baked statements (of fake "facts") emanating from Trump's mouth and the twisted, illogical rage-tweets he's been shooting off since he realized the "I" word would become reality clearly show that the cornered POTUS is frightened and rapidly losing it . Ttump's pre-impeachment behavior alone should be sufficient to make him the poster boy for the 25th. And just in case his conduct gets even worse, I hope a presidential straight-jacket has been readied for him, too.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Strangerland - Unfortunately they are undermining the legal system by attempting to subvert the court of public opinion.

A Presidential impeachment is held in the court of public opinion. Elected representatives are very much aware of this. If they get it wrong, the voters will unelect them at the earliest opportunity. 

There is very little established legal precedent regarding Presidential impeachments. Both political parties are feeling their way along as they go. If U.S. voters perceive the process as being unfair, elected Congressmen, and Senators, will pay a price. It's already been established that the U.S. news media outlets can not be trusted to provide unbiased news. The news media outlets profess disbelief, or confusion, about why the voters won't vote the way the news media outlets demand that they do. Most people simply don't care what the news media outlets have to say anymore, and it's the news media's own fault. Elected representatives do not want to find themselves in the same position as the news media outlets.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Fact:

Joe Biden threatened to withhold US funding if the Ukraine government didn't fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son. The prosecutor was fired

And he bragged about it.

Fact:

Joe bidens son, Hunter biden never attended a board meeting once when head of the ukraining energy company though he received thousands of dollars.

$83,000 a month sure would buy a lot of crack, wouldn’t it, Hunter?

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

When Clinton lied about oral sex, from a Republican perspective you'd think that it was the end of the world.

In Trump we have a president who's endangered U.S. national security and the survival of a fragile democracy (Ukraine) by affecting its ability to defend itself against a far larger and aggressive bully.

In other words, . . .

Bill Clinton lying about having received oral sex . . . BAD! BAD!

Trump using vital American assistance to extort information from a foreign country on a political opponent in a domestic election. . . . Hmmmm. Well, that's not so bad.

What a bunch of hypocrites!

6 ( +7 / -1 )

stormcrowToday 11:51 am JSTWhen Clinton lied about oral sex, from a Republican perspective you'd think that it was the end of the world.

In Trump we have a president who's endangered U.S. national security and the survival of a fragile democracy (Ukraine) by affecting its ability to defend itself against a far larger and aggressive bully.

In other words, . . .

Bill Clinton lying about having received oral sex . . . BAD! BAD!

Trump using vital American assistance to extort information from a foreign country on a political opponent in a domestic election. . . . Hmmmm. Well, that's not so bad.

What a bunch of hypocrites!

The Clinton impeachment scandal was stupid beyond measure. Most people in America acted like juveniles reading those idiotic little white porn books during study hall, and the Starr report basically was such a book - without the profanity.

The sex offenses that Trump is guilty of are much worse, let alone illegal. Just like everything else he's doing now. Dumpster is a bigger criminal than any previous WH occupant, and all of them together.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

To at least pretend to be fair. If you don’t, public opinion will boomerang on you very quickly.

So? Why should you?

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

There hasn’t been a day go by in 3 years that some effort wasn’t underway to remove Trump.

Why do you think that might be?  Russian involvement?  Ukraine?  Paying off prostitutes?  Siding with Putin against his own country?  Fine people on both sides?  I could go on if you like.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

now when Kelly and Tillerson outed by Nikki Haley for undermining the elected President, CNN just says it’s shocking they felt they had to do that. Ummm that’s treason, by the war.

It isn't, actually.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Well, if you look at the polls, the country is divided that’s for sure. 

Polls? Everyone knows pills can't be trusted unless you are using them to support your position. Smooth, Bass; real smooth.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

In Trump we have a president who's endangered U.S. national security and the survival of a fragile democracy (Ukraine) by affecting its ability to defend itself against a far larger and aggressive bully.

Sure stormcrow, just make up stuff and post it, why don't you? Obama gave blankets to Ukraine. They're now getting lethal military hardware to defend themselves.

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

Where’s Vindman? Maybe he can squeeze into that uniform one more time and tell us how he leaked classified into to his brother and possibly the whistleblower.

Today, back in the US, is Veterans Day - there are ceremonies all over the country honoring our brave military members who gave and sacrificed. That is except Trumpers, who ridicule and insult them.

It shows they're lack of common decency, integrity, and patriotism.

On the very day we thank and honor them, they choose to smear them.

It's just absolutely disgraceful...

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

For once this is entirely on topic:

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

0 ( +3 / -3 )

This constant Trump show is tedious.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Vindman is active duty military and the likely leaker to the whistleblower.

Veterans Day is not for active duty members. seems you would know this. Next you will be trying to tell me Hunter Biden is a military veteran.

you know who IS a decorated veteran? Mike Flynn. 33 years honorable service.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

You better get Trump impeached or get a few more candidates. Your front runner saying dumb stuff again on the 1 day a week they let him out in public.

Biden: 'I'm more of a Democrat from my shoe sole to my ears' than anyone else running

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Everyone who has served is a veteran but that don't include Trump. My step father was a veteran so according to his wish both he and my mother were had their ashes interned in a military cemetery.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Vindman is active duty military and the likely leaker to the whistleblower.

Likely...as in maybe....as in could be....as in possible....as in we only hope and pray... Trumpers have no facts, just conspiracy theories....

Veterans Day is not for active duty members. seems you would know this. Next you will be trying to tell me Hunter Biden is a military veteran.

Veterans Day: A celebration to honor America's veterans for their patriotism, love of country, and willingness to serve and sacrifice for the common good.

Veterans Day honors all those who have worn the uniform. We understand Trumpers wouldn't know that, given their disdain and hate for our military...

you know who IS a decorated veteran? Mike Flynn. 33 years honorable service.

And a convicted felon who lied under oath about meeting with America's enemies; Russians...

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

you know who IS a decorated veteran?

You know who’s not? Bone spurs himself.

But you’d call the Purple Heart treasonous.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

you know who IS a decorated veteran? Mike Flynn. 33 years honorable service.

And you know who isn't? Draft dodger Trump.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

have worn, not currently wearing.

Are active duty members considered veterans?

veteran is a former member of the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard) who served on active duty and was discharged under conditions, which were other than dishonorable. ...

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

no relation between getting shot and being truthful. Y

You guys gave Mike Flynn NO love or benefit of the doubt. I think most of you think he was actually convicted and is in jail. as he makes all your lists of supposed Mueller successes.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Are active duty members considered veterans?

Are people who dodged military service by using their money to make up fake bone spurs considered veterans?

0 ( +2 / -2 )

When was he convicted exactly? Your Ukraine ambassador lied under oath. As did Comey, Clapper, Brennan, McCabe....on and on. I didnt know you considered that a bad thing anymore.

And a convicted felon who lied under oath about meeting with America's enemies; Russians...

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Of course not, obviously. No one is claiming anyone like that is.

Are people who dodged military service by using their money to make up fake bone spurs considered veterans?

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

You guys gave Mike Flynn NO love or benefit of the doubt. 

You mean the guy who lied under oath for dealing with the enemy?

Duh. Of course he gets no love nor the benefit of any doubt.

And after you guys demonize everything and anything why should anyone on your team ever get the benefit of any doubt? You act as if you haven’t entirely made parodies of yourselves.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Ah ok, I thought we were on a military lovefest or something. as much as you guys love Vindman and he is above any questions whatsoever just because he put on his kinda tight uniform once this year.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Its not made up.

IG report said so, you might want to go back and read that one. From your liberal favorite WaPo article from April 20, 2018.

"The referral to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia occurred some time ago, after the inspector general concluded McCabe had lied to investigators or his boss, then-FBI Director James B. Comey, on four occasions, three of them under oath."

tada!

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

IG report said so, you might want to go back and read that one. From your liberal favorite WaPo article from April 20, 2018.

Deep state globalist fake news.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

You wont even let him testify in public. so how would you know he is worthy of such? You just like the words coming out of his mouth so you dont want to bother to check. Anyway, good luck with impeachment you will need it.

We’re treating those who have earned respect, with respect,

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

wont even let him testify in public

Electoral college. Theme the rules as your team says. Boo boo to you.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Articles, Offers & Useful Resources

A mix of what's trending on our other sites