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Russia, China push back against U.S. in pre-Olympics summit

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Do not leave any traces of your existence at their meeting, whether physical or digital. They will disappear you if they so desire. That is the frightening reality of both of their regimes.

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Meet the new imperium! Will it be worse than any of the ones that proceeded it., climate change denying petrol heads, and anti-democracy/pro-authoritarians your dream's come true.

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Meet the new imperium! Will it be worse than any of the ones that proceeded it.,

That’s an understated question.

climate change denying petrol heads, and anti-democracy/pro-authoritarians your dream's come true

Even worse, militarily conflict that can pull in all sides of the planet with devastating consequences.

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It's not surprising given the issues in Eastern China, that that the Ayatollah is not there with his buddies.

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It's not surprising given the issues in Eastern China, that that the Ayatollah is not there with his buddies.

I think you mean the now widely accepted sick US secret police fiction about genocide in Western China. No one outside of USA, UK, Australia, Canada has ever taken it seriously. At least not since the intrepid CIA agent smuggled out pics of a torture chamber in Xinjiang which turned out to be a BDSM club in Taipei. Still no word if he used tax payers money for those services.

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It's like looking at hitler and mussolini in 1937

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It looks more like dumb and dumber!

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The only thing that prevented trump being the 3rd person in this picture is Mike Pence’s spine.

If it were not for him we would be seeking a different planet to inhabit!

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When the US, occupying two ME countries against the desires of their democratically elected governments, sponsor of the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine that supplies the weapons that regime is using to try and crush the opposition of the eastern provinces to the antidemocratic realignment against Russia, which decreed a Venezuelan no one voted to make President to be the Venezuelan President rather than the person the Venezuelan population voted into the office makes claims that it "respects independent sovereign choices of independent nations" if your reaction isn't the same as your reaction when Trump claims that he respects the truth, you belong in the same category as the January 6th rioters.

PS, those are the policies of BIDEN, so don't try and pretend otherwise.

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policies of BIDEN, so don't try and pretend otherwise

Biden is a centrist, the current leader of the moderate wing of the Democratic Party, a wing whose political beliefs are not dramatically different from Republican's beliefs of 10 years ago.

The current moderate D's are funded in large part by Blackrock, Vanguard and others of the globe's richest favoring a continuation of global predatory, fossil capitalism. The D's just are not as blatant in their push for continuation of fossil capitalism as are the Trump QGOP. But look at who has the most shares in the 'west's largest oil corporations, and you'll see Blackrock and Vanguard listed. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/12/top-three-asset-managers-fossil-fuel-investments

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 issues in Eastern China, that that the Ayatollah

I meant "western" China.

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The only thing that prevented trump being the 3rd person in this picture is Mike Pence’s spine.

Well stated. The dictators in Moscow and Beijing have decided a united front against the current US administration is the best strategy to get back in power the previous one - the one that was so accommodating to both Russia and China from 2016-20. They no doubt have dragooned Kim Jong Un into their effort given his recent missile tests - he'd love to have his love-letter exchanger back.

We'll see more threats in Eastern Europe and with Taiwan as they do their best to influence the 2024 election.

Meanwhile, in the US, we have the far-right media collaborating with our enemies, with Tucker Carlson openly supporting Russia over Ukraine.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/02/opinions/josh-hawley-ukraine-russia-gop-ghitis/index.html

Don't fall for their subterfuge....

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Meanwhile, in the US, we have the far-right media collaborating with our enemies,

Not one media outlet is doing that.

with Tucker Carlson openly supporting Russia over Ukraine

No, he’s not. But he is asking legitimate questions as to what are the reasons for us being there and why? How will it benefit the US? How will it lower gas prices, stop inflation or put food on the table? The msm will never ask these questions and this administration just wants use to blindly support Biden without question and the right just won’t do that, nor should they.

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Yesterday we saw a photo here on JT with Kim and Xi shaking hands, and I said just Putin is missing and the world's three biggest idiots would be united.

On today's photo, Putin came, but Kim is missing.

But it seems that these two or three biggest thread for world peace morons like to take pictures together.

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Masters of the universe massaging one another’s egos and condoning each other’s invasions and acts of aggression against their neighbors. Dictators plain and simple.

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These two despicable tyrants, dictators soaked in the blood of their own people.

How could just two oppressors, bring the world to brink of Armageddon, don’t fool yourselves, unless the global community start standing up to these charlatans devoid of any reminisce of freedom, of basic human rights, democracy.

Then history is going to repeat itself, however on this occasion with the threat of nuclear holocaust.

It is a travesty the Government of China has been afforded an Olympic winter Games, supposedly devoted to contributing and building a peaceful and better world.

Whilst at the same time committing acts of genocide.

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And ScoMo, BoJo and Sleepy Joe is the opposition? Jesus wept.

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And Monty is back telling us about "threads" for world peace

Yes, because they are.

The world would be a better place without them.

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sponsor of the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine that supplies the weapons that regime is using to try and crush the opposition of the eastern provinces to the antidemocratic realignment against Russia,

Or reality, where the people of Ukraine rose up against a rigged election and deposed the corrupt Russian aligned President and now battle for the return of Ukraine territory broken off by Russian sponsored forces backed by Russian soldiers and weapons against the Ukraine constitution.

Of course anything that goes against Russian interests is immediately blamed on US interference whether true or not. The fact Ukrainians have for decades or more. been dominated by Russia against their will seems not to get a mention.

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I'm guessing Putin strikes either midway through the Olympics or right after but not before. China will be acting as Russia's creditor of last resort once all the sanctions go down. Xi loves the Olympics, he's loves the prestige and I think Putin knows this and Xi has spent a pretty penny bringing them there. I would hold out threats of combined sanctions from US and EU against China if China works with Russia... Xi is already worried about maintaining power at home.

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Both countries are bonding over their shared trauma of being two of the most disliked countries around the world. They want to be adored, respected and feared, but people only tolerate them. They fear the world will eventually treat them NK.

Putin is the "old man" always talking about the "good ole" days when all the countries around the world fear them and their neighbors would do whatever they said. Putin is operating on an outdated business model. There are so many more powerful people in the world who own companies and not tied to one country. He can not even get Twitter to respect him or his country.

Xi seems like a person with a chip on his shoulder. He wants to show everyone that they are the best. He is obsessed with the US. Something must have happen when he went to the US as a young man or his children's experience there that makes him a stalker. Was it a little bit of bullying or racism that sparked his obsession? Are his kids to Westernized for his liking?

Funny thing, for all of China's big talk and saber rattling, China would fall like Russia if they decoupled from the US. They need the business, the education, and opportunity. What other country could they steal ideas, tech, and research with the same level of rewards?

US-China tech war: Top Chinese university pulls report that concluded China would suffer more from tech decoupling with US

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-china-tech-war-top-093000733.html

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US-China tech war: Top Chinese university pulls report that concluded China would suffer more from tech decoupling with US

China-US trade accounts for about 2% of the US GDP. The US could embargo all trade with China tomorrow and its economy would not suffer greatly nor for very long. China cannot make the same claim. Similarly China selling its holdings of US bonds, while disruptive in the short term would do much more harm to the Chinese economy than to the US economy.

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I'm guessing Putin strikes either midway through the Olympics or right after but not before. China will be acting as Russia's creditor of last resort once all the sanctions go down.

I don't think the Russian will attack now. I think he was bluffing all along and NATO pretty much called his bluff. Now he has to figure out a graceful way to step back. Keep in mind that Russians and the Chinese do not receive a western education. They both see the world we inhabit very differently than western democracies do.

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Keep in mind that Russians and the Chinese do not receive a western education.

That's why the Chinese know about the opium wars and the atrocities committed by the Japanese army on the Chinese, and not just on the white POW. Hell, I bet they even learn about colonialism in India and how many Indians died in famines as a result of the Brits' actions.

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@Monty 9:44am They’re just poking fun at your posts because (perhaps your ‘autocorrect’) keeps putting “threaD” instead of your intended ‘threaT”. -

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they di right thing and they move makes common sense.

world dont need any wars created by USA and promoted by corrupted media.

world needs a peace.

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Xi was missing that sweet dictator love after Trump got canned.

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@Desert Tortoise

China-US trade accounts for about 2% of the US GDP. The US could embargo all trade with China tomorrow and its economy would not suffer greatly nor for very long. China cannot make the same claim. Similarly China selling its holdings of US bonds, while disruptive in the short term would do much more harm to the Chinese economy than to the US economy.

Yes, any decoupling of the US would hurt China more. That was the point of my post. The report is specifically discussing the tech sector claiming that China would suffer more. It is damning, and the CCP removed it because as you know, China is investing heavily in tech and is pushing it as the key to China's global dominance. Any reports contrary to the narrative being taught in China is censored.

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In the picture...

Lord Putin and Lord Xi Jinping..

The two most powerful men on earth..

The other are just a joke from a big circus..

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Meanwhile, in the US, we have the far-right media collaborating with our enemies,

Not one media outlet is doing that.

True - not "one" - they all are...

with Tucker Carlson openly supporting Russia over Ukraine

No, he’s not.

Of course he is - even Repubs say so....

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/591906-gop-faces-divisions-over-siding-with-ukraine-against-russia

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/01/gop-tucker-carlson-ukraine-00004370

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In the picture...

Lord Vladimir Putin and Lord Jinping Xi

Two of the most disgusting leaders on earth..

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In the picture...

Lord Vladimir Putin and Lord Jinping Xi

Two of the most disgusting leaders on earth..

Tissue??.. Lol..

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Two of the most disgusting leaders on earth..

Indeed. They can't even come close to the fine, honest, caring and highly ethical leaders of the west. I mean, just look at Boris, for example.

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They can't even come close to the fine, honest, caring and highly ethical leaders of the west. I mean, just look at Boris, for example.

In a comparison, Boris indeed comes out on top of those two. Excellent you noticed that.

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That's why the Chinese know about the opium wars and the atrocities committed by the Japanese army on the Chinese, and not just on the white POW. Hell, I bet they even learn about colonialism in India and how many Indians died in famines as a result of the Brits' actions.

I don't know where you get your information. My wife is from China. She has a BSEE from a US university but her knowledge of world events outside of what Mao was teaching is just not there. Until last month she thought Vietnam attacked China and that the Chinese beat them (Chinese veterans of that war are not acknowledged and are expected not to talk about it). She thinks the US invaded North Korea to start the Korean War and China beat the US. She has no knowledge at all of the middle east, Latin America, Israel and how it came to be, nothing. Doesn't know about WWI and thinks Mao and the Communist Chinese beat Japan in WW2. No acknowledgement of Chiangs Nationalists or how Mao hid out much of the war, still thinks the Long March was this heroic thing when it was in fact a desperate retreat. When I mentioned that Mao used to tell the Japanese where Chiangs forces were her reply was "well of course!". She saw nothing wrong with Mao helping he Japanese even as she professes her own hatred of Japan always telling me to never trust any Japanese person, even someone who is second or third generation American. She knows there was a Boxer Rebellion but doesn't know why they were fighting. She believes the Tibetans are primitives being civilized by the Chinese. If you asked her who Voltaire, Adam Smith, David Hume or Michaelango were she would not know. She knows nothing about how representative governments are organized. When I once went to fight a traffic ticket she was terrified, convinced the police would lock me up and abuse me for years. You don't challenge authority in China and expect nothing bad to happen as a result. So no, Chinese do not have the same education as people in the west have. There are major omissions and distortions that cause them to see our world very differently than others see it.

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Of course he is - even Repubs say so....

Well, no that is not true, only the establishment wants to for some reason get themselves with the Dems into another war that does nothing for the American people.

But Republicans more closely aligned with Trump — who during his presidency at times expressed pro-Russia sentiment — argue that America should stay out of it. 

As for Politico aka: CNN-lite...as if anyone cares what they think.

But the simple fact of the matter is, what is in it for the American people? Sure, it's easy to deflect and rag on Tucker or try and see if there is something to blame Trump on, but in the real world of zero unicorns, No one is answering that basic question. China, I would understand, but Russia?

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Chinese do not have the same education as people in the west have. There are major omissions and distortions that cause them to see our world very differently than others see it.

The Chinese can say the same thing about people in the west, can't they?

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Of course he is - even Repubs say so....

Well, no that is not true, only the establishment wants to for some reason get themselves with the Dems into another war that does nothing for the American people.

Ah....so all these Repubs are wrong and lying.....OK.

“I don’t agree with those views,” Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said when asked about Carlson’s monologues. 

“He’s obviously not in a position of being responsible for those decisions. And we are,” Cornyn said in a brief interview. 

“On individuals up here who are decision-makers, I don’t hear any disagreement about the position Russia is in,” Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,

But Republicans more closely aligned with Trump — who during his presidency at times expressed pro-Russia sentiment — argue that America should stay out of it. 

As for Politico aka: CNN-lite...as if anyone cares what they think.

They are just parroting what Tucker is saying; “Why is it disloyal to side with Russia, but loyal to side with Ukraine?”

"Side with Russia" - BINGO! Comrade Carlson...

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Ah....so all these Repubs are wrong and lying.....OK. 

Hey, it's the establishment so....

“I don’t agree with those views,” Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said when asked about Carlson’s monologues. 

Another establishment RINO, he won't go on Tucker, why? 

“He’s obviously not in a position of being responsible for those decisions. And we are,” Cornyn said in a brief interview. 

And yet, another establishment Republican that was called out and won't go on his show to explain why this move?

“On individuals up here who are decision-makers, I don’t hear any disagreement about the position Russia is in,” Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,

He also declined to go on Tucker's show, why?

They are just parroting what Tucker is saying; “Why is it disloyal to side with Russia, but loyal to side with Ukraine?”

"Side with Russia" - BINGO! Comrade Carlson...

In other words, we have a bunch of cowardly GOP RINO's that won't answer legitimate questions on Tucker for the American people. Let's weave and dodge and blame Tucker and hope and pray that the American people are too naive to see and ask questions. Thank God that Tucker continues to push these people to expose them for the lying hypocrites they are, no wonder they're running scared from their primary challengers.

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Putin is opposed to NATO, the organization created to protect its member nations from Russian conquest. No surprise there. I don't know why Xi would care about NATO. Does he now have ambitions that would impose on the sovereignty of North Atlantic countries?

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Ah....so all these Repubs are wrong and lying.....OK. 

Hey, it's the establishment so....

Yep, YOUR Establishment - Team Red...glad to see you diss them...

“I don’t agree with those views,” Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said when asked about Carlson’s monologues. 

Another establishment RINO, he won't go on Tucker, why? 

Sure is - sell-out RINO....as in Team Red....

“He’s obviously not in a position of being responsible for those decisions. And we are,” Cornyn said in a brief interview. 

And yet, another establishment Republican that was called out and won't go on his show to explain why this move?

Ah-ha..another one! These RINOs are everywhere!

“On individuals up here who are decision-makers, I don’t hear any disagreement about the position Russia is in,” Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,

He also declined to go on Tucker's show, why?

Yea why? He's on your team, why doesn't he go on - too scared?

They are just parroting what Tucker is saying; “Why is it disloyal to side with Russia, but loyal to side with Ukraine?”

"Side with Russia" - BINGO! Comrade Carlson...

In other words, we have a bunch of cowardly GOP RINO's that won't answer legitimate questions on Tucker for the American people.

Absolutely. A bunch of cowardly, useless Repubs. Glad to see the light come on...

Comrade Carlson thanks you...

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Yep, YOUR Establishment - Team Red...glad to see you diss them...

Never liked the establishment.

Sure is - sell-out RINO....as in Team Red....

Ok and?

Yea why? He's on your team, why doesn't he go on - too scared?

Guess these politicians are too scared.

Absolutely. A bunch of cowardly, useless Repubs. Glad to see the light come on...

That's why they will all be replaced with Populist conservatives.

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Yep, YOUR Establishment - Team Red...glad to see you diss them...

Never liked the establishment.

Your team....

Sure is - sell-out RINO....as in Team Red....

Ok

Thanks for agreeing with me...

Yea why? He's on your team, why doesn't he go on - too scared?

Guess these politicians are too scared.

Yep, especially these REPUB politicians...

Absolutely. A bunch of cowardly, useless Repubs. Glad to see the light come on...

That's why they will all be replaced with Populist conservatives.

Depends on who wins the Great Repub Civil War....since you "never liked the establishment", we know who's side you're on...

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Indeed. They can't even come close to the fine, honest, caring and highly ethical leaders of the west. I mean, just look at Boris, for example.

Well, going to a party during a lockdown is much different from setting up concentration camps, wouldn’t you agree???

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He also declined to go on Tucker's show, why?

I feel sorry for the desperate people who need to go to a racist, misogynistic and despot loving fool like tucker.

He loved despots like putin, orban and lukashenko and hates anything to with just Democratic rule!!!

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