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Putin orders most Russians to stay off work for a week as virus deaths rise

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By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

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“I can't understand what's going on,” Putin said. “We have a reliable and efficient vaccine. The vaccine really reduces the risks of illness, grave complications and death.”

Reap what you saw, Vlad. What exactly is confusing about that?

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Japan has about what, 10 deaths per day? That isn't so bad compared to Russia with about 1,000. The US, where the pandemic is now considered over the press and politicians, still has about 1,600 deaths per day.

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Where are the posters who keep pushing Sputnik as the best vaccine?

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The problem is not the vaccine, but the antivaxxers, who would rather believe Facebook or Twitter than science.

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Where are the posters who keep pushing Sputnik as the best vaccine?

More than that, I wanna know the shift in Russians’ 3 greatest values since the weekend.

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The ‘muh Russia’ crowd and other global alt rightists have used social media and their own far right media to push anti-vaxx pandemic-denying messages which has probably influenced poorly educate people worldwide. 

If Putin and his oligarchs also have had roles in pushing these messages then it was a fatal own goal for them.

Good health to Russians and people everywhere. 

Pandemic deniers and anti-vaxxers, blame ‘the media’ all you want, but your use of media has continued to contribute to mounting deaths from something you long claimed was ‘just another flu’.

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The government task force has registered more than 8 million total infections and its official COVID-19 death toll ranks Russia as having the fifth-most pandemic deaths in the world, behind the United States, Brazil, India and Mexico.

When Japan is compared to other countries on Covid19 you realize is more of a success story then what some people have been pushing on JT as a failure.

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In Russia the 3 most important words are diversity, tolerance and inclusion.

Each person is free to make their own choice for masking, vaccination and self isolation.

That didn’t age well.

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The problem is not vaccine, the problem is the antivaxers. What exactly is confusing about that?

The article says the problem is

>  a skepticism blamed on conflicting signals from authorities.

While extolling Sputnik V and three other domestic vaccines, state-controlled media often criticized Western-made shots, a message that many saw as feeding doubts about vaccines in general.

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Peter, point taken but I would add two corollaries:

Just as Biden says “Don’t compare me to the almighty - compare me to the alternative”, Putin’s Russia could say “What was the alternative to this?” A number of rather better outcomes (the United States not being one of them).

Which brings me to my 2nd point: you are eminently correct. The US remains at 1,500 (round about) deaths per day. The US has about twice the population so on a per capita basis the problem is about 1/2 as bad (and heading in the right direction.)

What the US and Russia have in common, to my great dismay, is a pandemic of the unvaccinated caused by Russian generated disinformation.

It started with disinformation about the origin and severity of the virus. It then moved into disinformation regarding the effectiveness of masks and social distancing in coordination with various forms of lockdowns (something Russia is now resorting to. My, how karmic....)

Then the holy grail of lies: vaccines don’t work and are dangerous. Started by Russian state media and the external intelligence agencies, spread via social media and lapped up with glee by the cognitively deficient and conspiracy addled (the VENN diagram of these groups is a perfect circle.)

Golly, who would have thought that his own disinformation would have bounced back to bite Vlad in his own buttocks???

I mean after taking over almost all free media, murdering his political opponents and releasing an untested vaccine, you’d have thought the Russians would realize that ” daddy-vladdy” has their best interests at heart, right?

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Obviously another main factor in this pandemic is the conciousness of the population, and its trust in the local government and authorities.

In Japan they didn’t have to fight over much, and thus didn’t have to give up much either

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“Our task today is to protect life and health of our citizens and minimize the consequences of the dangerous infection,”

Your task is also to not spread disinformation.

What you do to other countries will have a blowback.

While extolling Sputnik V and three other domestic vaccines, state-controlled media often criticized Western-made shots, a message that many saw as feeding doubts about vaccines in general.

Hypocrisy will not help either. Releasing No or partial data about your vaccines gives little confidence on their efficacy!!!

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Russia is not a European country but the Russia is in the Asian continent which does but up against the European continent. Basic geography and knowledge of science and plate tectonics will show that.

Scary part of the article is reading about all those people booking vacations. Not that I would ever do that.

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The important part......

“It’s very clear that in countries that have lower vaccine uptake, that’s where we’re seeing the serious pandemic effects at the moment in terms of deaths and people ending up in hospital,” she said.

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Reminder: COVID doesn't care if you are a Republican, American, or Russian. COVID doesn't care if you believe in vaccines, masks or social distancing. It doesn't care, and it will go after you indiscriminately.

Putin and his misinformation is learning that the hard way.

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seems it doesnt care if someone is vaccinated either.

I find it strange that vaccinated people who get COVID, their first reaction seems to be to run to the media and praise the vaccine?

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I find it strange that vaccinated people who get COVID, their first reaction seems to be to run to the media and praise the vaccine?

Probably because they CAN. Their unvaccinated counterparts are still on vents or worse.

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I find it strange that vaccinated people who get COVID, their first reaction seems to be to run to the media and praise the vaccine?

You find a lot of things strange. I avoid such bewilderment by reading a lot.

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Their unvaccinated counterparts are still on vents or worse.

no, they actually take "horse paste" and other therapeutics and recover.

See: Joe Rogan as an example.

and many, many others who get COVID and are ok.

You act like 95% of people who get COVID die. they dont.

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@GdTokyo

What the US and Russia have in common, to my great dismay, is a pandemic of the unvaccinated caused by Russian generated disinformation

Very typical for the past several years - "Russians did it". Unsustainable national debt, decrepit infrastructure, failure at Afghanistan are also results of Russian machinations?

Then the holy grail of lies: vaccines don’t work and are dangerous. Started by Russian state media and the external intelligence agencies

You can support your claim with facts? Or you just repeat the usual Western propaganda mantra?

I mean after taking over almost all free media, murdering his political opponents and releasing an untested vaccine

And here is the perfect example of disinformation by Western media "and the external intelligence agencies".

@ulysses

Releasing No or partial data about your vaccines gives little confidence on their efficacy!!!

Data about Sputnik is released, that's why more then fifty countries use it!!!

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If this were an honest media you would have people mad that they did everything they were told to do and still got COVID anyway. You would have people questioning if what they were told to do is actually the best thing.

you never see that. why?

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If this were an honest media you would have people mad that they did everything they were told to do and still got COVID anyway. You would have people questioning if what they were told to do is actually the best thing.

you never see that. why?

Because sensible people understand that nothing protects anyone 100% and understood that long ago.

You’re still struggling with that. Why?

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That’s quite a watertight argument you have there. We’re it anyone else I’d take the time to dismantle it, but we all know you are only interested in getting the clicks.

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Always fun watching “conservatives” try to fit science into their binary worldview. Too bad for them, that’s not how science works.

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reasonwisdomnippon:

When Japan is compared to other countries on Covid19 you realize is more of a success story then what some people have been pushing on JT as a failure.

When Japan is compared to other East Asian countries on Covid19 you realize it's more of an utter failure story than what you've been pushing. China, Taiwan, HK, Macau, South Korea (and most probably North Korea to boot!), Singapore, you name it, they've all done better.

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Data about Sputnik is released, that's why more then fifty countries use it!!!

Russia gifted the vaccines to countries which were unable to buy the Western ones. That still doesn’t excuse the release of unclear data!!

The reason the Russians don’t trust their government developed vaccine is because the government lies to them and other countries about everything.

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Fully vaccinated people who become infected with the Delta variant are not dying or becoming seriously ill in ICUs. The unvaccinated are still becoming seriously ill and dying. Fully vaccinated people have much less risk of becoming infected.

185 million Americans have been vaccinated, 7,000 died later but from what causes?

The covid vaccine is not as effective with patients with serious underlying conditions like cancer and weak immune systems.

Many Russians are flying to Serbia to have the Western covid vaccine. Vaccine tourists are good for the local economy.

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Then the holy grail of lies: vaccines don’t work and are dangerous. Started by Russian state media and the external intelligence agencies

You can support your claim with facts? Or you just repeat the usual Western propaganda mantra?

Indeed I can. Let's see.... The Muller Report which was not, as claimed, disproven. The Bi-partisan senate report. Another Congressional report that escapes my memory at the moment (if someone could kindly "remind" me which one it was...) and any number of independent news media investigative reports from award winning news organizations and not at all like the dog-poop sites you provided yesterday as "evidence".

I mean after taking over almost all free media, murdering his political opponents and releasing an untested vaccine

And then there is just common sense for what we all see happening everyday. Or do you need a citation that the Earth is round and water is wet while you are at it?

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Only about 45 million Russians — roughly a third of its nearly 146 million people — are fully vaccinated.

This is too bad. Hopefully it will improve. I have met a few Russians and they are delightful people.

I have read many posters grouping China and Russia together, but clearly the government in Russia seems to have less power over individuals to make choices about vaccines than in China.

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no, they actually take "horse paste" and other therapeutics and recover.

See: Joe Rogan as an example.

and many, many others who get COVID and are ok.

You act like 95% of people who get COVID die. they dont.

Oh dear lord where to begin......

The Big Pharma Co Merc that makes the horse paste specifically says "Don't take it. It doesn't work for Covid"

Because Joe is really where one should go for go-to advice on public health or really anything. Sidebar: How this guy got so famous for sitting on a stool and spouting off about whatever is beyond me. Talk about a sweet gig....

No, 95% don't die. Increasingly because they have already been vaccinated. What you continually ignore is that fully 1/2 of symptomatic cases develop some type of long haul syndrome which could easily be avoided with a safe and effective vaccine.

And then there is the regrettable fact that 720 thousand people, about 1 in every 470 living in the US have died of this virus in the last 18 months. That is more than double the total number of combat deaths in BOTH fronts of WWII in 3.5 years. Or, if you prefer, the entire population of Denver wiped off of the the face of the Earth.

Oh those pesky facts..... Getting in the way of a good narrative. Shame that......

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The Muller Report which was not, as claimed, disproven. The Bi-partisan senate report. Another Congressional report

All are probably as true as the Steele dossier, which turned out to be a bunch of BS

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Blacklabel

why is it that Merc, the makers of the Ivermectin do not recommend it for use with covid?

Because it's snake oil for the virus.

There are new anti-viral drugs. But they are very expensive. $3,000 per dose.

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Covid could do to Putin what it did to Trump and to Bolsonaro (et tu, Borise?). The Bad always gives birth to the Good, such is the paradox of the real world.

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why is it that Merc, the makers of the Ivermectin do not recommend it for use with covid?

because they want to take inexpensive ivermectin, call it something else, repackage it into a different color pill and then sell it for hundreds of dollars each.

You know, make more money off what they already own.

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7,000 died later but from what causes?

COVID.

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@ulysses

Russia gifted the vaccines to countries which were unable to buy the Western ones. That still doesn’t excuse the release of unclear data!!

Sputnik was mainly bought, not gifted. And all the necessary data was provided, no matter how many exclamation marks you put in your sentences.

@GdTokyo

The Muller Report which was not, as claimed, disproven

Yes, the wonderful report almost immediately forgotten after it was published, particularly amusing when read in parallel with the Steele dossier. When we can expect equally informative Congressional reports on how "Russian state media and the external intelligence agencies" prevented Americans from vaccination?

just common sense for what we all see happening everyday. Or do you need a citation that the Earth is round and water is wet while you are at it?

Earlier the British devised the king of evidence - "higly likely". Now it is "common sense". I hope you see the difference between nature and concrete actions of concrete people. If you claim somebody did something, take the trouble to present proof, not just "water is wet, Putin is bad".

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because they want to take inexpensive ivermectin, call it something else, repackage it into a different color pill and then sell it for hundreds of dollars each.

lol That is demonstrably false. Ivermectin and the antiviral medicine are not the same. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-ivermectin-molnupiravir-idUSL1N2R32JP

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Looks like Europe is going thru another wave, hopefully this is the last...

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-reports-223-covid-19-deaths-most-since-march-2021-10-19/

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Claims that Merck’s antiviral molnupiravir is repackaged ivermectin are false. According to two virologists, the two drugs are chemically different.

two virologists. ok, guess that science is "settled".

Unless I can find 3 who say it is?

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two virologists.

Don't stop there, keep going. The arguments are bit more substantive than what you're trying to make them out to be.

ok, guess that science is "settled".

Science? There is nothing scientific about your claim that the new antiviral treatment is just repackaged Ivermectin.

Or just think critically: Ivermectin is used to treat parasites. Covid-19 is a virus. Therefore Ivermectin is NOT the same thing as the antiviral treatment.

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Blacklabel

185 million Americans have been vaccinated, 7,000 died later but from what causes?

COVID.

185 million did not become infected with covid. 7,000 did and died? 700,000+ unvaccinated Americans died from covid.

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