Seeking support for a wall, Trump plans prime-time speech, border visit

Why not just fund the other parts of the government and keep the wall separate?

And any bets that Trump is going to start saying nukes are coming across the southern border? He already has Sanders lying about terrorists.

Hopefully he'll stay there with his fellow "bad hombres", "terrorists" and other straw men.

The Senate unanimously passed a bill to fund the government last month, but it died in the House. Now, the Dem-controlled House sent a virtually identical bill to the Senate, but McConnell won't even schedule a vote on it until Trump indicates his approval. This is the same legislation passed unanimously. Where is McConnell?

Clearly, the Repubs are quivering, hypocritical cowards and the president a lying schemer trying to distract attention from his burgeoning legal woes at the expense of the nation's interests.

Surely it will be fear based. That's how the GOP operates.

How about staying home until you end the government shutdown. Unnecessary expenditures like political travel should be curtailed.

a prime-time address 

to his base.

To make the show more effective, I recommend inviting Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, and Trump's little Fox 'n Friends.

Hold the line!

Live from Nacogdoches, it's the Donald Trump Presidential Apprentice Amateur Hour... 

Starring Donald "I'm a Fake President" Trump...

With the "Architects of Fear" Laura Ingram, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, and Special Guest Stormy, err, wait, strike that last one...

Hear all the latest made-up conspiracy theories designed to needlessly scare you so you'll forget the President is under12 separate investigations...

While still being scheduled, expect a very Special Guest Speaker via video remote - your man and mine, Vlad the Great!

We'll be collecting donations after the event for the Trump 2020 Campaign (or to be used if he is impeached, indicted and needs bail money...)

White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders announced on Twitter without providing details

Typical defense of Trump's fact-free decision making; just appeal to his base’s fear that those not in their demographic are taking over the country. Details and facts are for ‘libs/dems/theleft'; with Trump it’s just appeal to emotions and stir more hate. Demagogues throughout history have used emotion-based messages to keep fear alive, to take even greater control. That’s one thing Trump knows.

Trump’s a master media manipulator. He’s always understood how to use the media to market his dodgy businesses and ideas, he remains a reality TV star. His base eat up whatever he tells the various media outlets raking in the dough pushing Trump’s agenda. Fox'news', Limbaugh, Ingraham, Coulter etal report whatever he and his spokespeople tell them to report.

Or is it the other way around: are they the ones telling Trump what to say?

Drug counselors around the country will be closely monitoring Individual 1's eyes and body language to see if they think he's on Adderall.

Hold the line!

Yes Mr President, hold the line!  The ship isn't sinking, just keep hold...gurgle, gurgle, gurgle......

Why is he addressing the nation on the border? There is nothing to address. No progress made, no deals made, no government, no wall. What's new?

Hold the line!

Which line?

The "Mexico will pay for the wall - mark my words" line?  Already passed...

"The wall will be made of pre-cast concrete" line?  Already passed..

The "I won't accept less than $5.6 billion" line?  Already passed...

Trump must have some severe rope burns on his (small) hands...

@deadforgood What's new?

It's media manipulation, drawing attention to Trump presenting himself as a messiah for large parts of his demographic while taking attention away from Mueller, etc..

With all the media attention given to Trump's shiny squirrel the wall, Trump and his GOP enablers can continue to quietly enact measures to reduce environmental protection, worker rights protection, and consumer rights protection.

Typical defense of Trump's fact-free decision making; just appeal to his base’s fear that those not in their demographic are taking over the country. Details and facts are for ‘libs/dems/theleft'; with Trump it’s just appeal to emotions and stir more hate.

Not really, liberals keep peddling this bogus diatribe that only his “base cares” this is way beyond the base. The President has a very high approval among Republicans, the average working rural and evangelical Republican that trust him over the old Washington establishment that has dismissed him.

Demagogues throughout history have used emotion-based messages to keep fear alive, to take even greater control. That’s one thing Trump knows.

I think Democrats seriously and definitely know a thing or two by that.

Trump’s a master media manipulator. He’s always understood how to use the media to market his dodgy businesses and ideas, he remains a reality TV star. His base eat up whatever he tells the various media outlets raking in the dough pushing Trump’s agenda. Fox'news', Limbaugh, Ingraham, Coulter etal report whatever he and his spokespeople tell them to report. 

Trump, give him credit, for being a master media manipulator, being in TV and being a former liberal himself knows how the media works, how to gather support and how to work it, now sadly the pundits on CNN, msnbc haven’t quite figured that out yet. The media rely on fear, deceit and racist tactics to push an agenda that the liberal base prey upon. They use scare tactics, they use threats and intimidation into coheres people into believing there is not a single good thing this President does, so much so, that their message has desensitized a lot of people that are willing to hear opposing viewpoints. They need both networks, plus all the print media to take on one man and they still can’t topple him, hard as they try. Like him or not, gotta give him credit for being quick on his feet and the Dems are still trying to keep up. Funny.

Drug counselors around the country will be closely monitoring Individual 1's eyes and body language to see if they think he's on Adderall.

They need to check if Nadler, Spliff, Schumer and Pelosi are on that good Kush.

Trump lied when he said that previous presidents had encouraged him to build "the wall." All four living former presidents are now on record denying this - Carter, Clinton, GWB, Obama.

Trump cannot be trusted. Whatever he says in his speech cannot be trusted. Sadly, whatever those who gravitate around Trump say cannot be trusted. His corruption corrupts all in his circle.

Which line?

The "Mexico will pay for the wall - mark my words" line? Already passed...

"The wall will be made of pre-cast concrete" line? Already passed..

Who cares as long as it’s built or what material, jeez turn off the news and really think for a moment and I know it’s extremely difficult for liberals to do this, but concrete or steel, either makes it more impregnable, hey, I’ll even throw in some money if it helps.

The "I won't accept less than $5.6 billion" line? Already passed...

Trump must have some severe rope burns on his (small) hands.

I think the Democrats need a tablespoon of Mylanta, clock is ticking, these people got were sworn in a week ago and they still can’t get anything legislatively done. Not good, not good. First they were for sealed borders and now they’re not, terrible.

those who gravitate around Trump say cannot be trusted.

Well you are talking about the majority of Americans who voted for him in a free and fair election.

Who cares as long as it’s built or what material

How about cardboard?

Any takers on the over/under for the number of lies he tells tomorrow? I predict at least 1 lie per minute. If it’s a 10 minute speech, he will say at least 10 lies/misleading statements.

Please provide links to any democrat saying they are for open borders..I dare you..........

Here’s proof, California is a liberal echo chamber, how many illegals a living in the state of California and is the border of California sealed, completely sealed in the answer is no. This is been going on for the last 35 years.

How about cardboard?

If it were built in China perhaps.

but concrete or steel, either makes it more impregnable

Eh?

"Why not just fund the other parts of the government and keep the wall separate?"

Why not just fund the wall, which our border security people say is integral to border security already? Because the Democrats know if Trump gets his wall before the 2020 election their hopes of defeating him are all but lost. Their opposition to improving physical barriers now that Trump is president is all political.

Oh my... Here we have Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama and HRC on video talking about their support for a wall/fence/barrier and STRONGER border security in general:

You Can't Make This Up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmdiisLr5ug

Serrano: Why not just fund the wall, which our border security people say is integral to border security already? Because the Democrats know if Trump gets his wall before the 2020 election their hopes of defeating him are all but lost. Their opposition to improving physical barriers now that Trump is president is all political.

That doesn't answer my question. Trump and the GOP can sign funding for the closed government agencies tomorrow, and still debate the wall, or declare a state of emergency, or whatever.

Why are they intentionally stopping these people from getting paid when they don't have to?

Which line?

The "Mexico will pay for the wall - mark my words" line? Already passed...

"The wall will be made of pre-cast concrete" line? Already passed..

Who cares as long as it’s built or what material, jeez turn off the news and really think for a moment and I know it’s extremely difficult for liberals to do this, but concrete or steel, either makes it more impregnable, hey, I’ll even throw in some money if it helps.

Evidently your President cares as he said "Mark My Words" not once but twice - so if he said it twice is it not a double-cave? 

The "I won't accept less than $5.6 billion" line? Already passed...

Trump must have some severe rope burns on his (small) hands.

I think the Democrats need a tablespoon of Mylanta, clock is ticking, these people got were sworn in a week ago and they still can’t get anything legislatively done. Not good, not good. First they were for sealed borders and now they’re not, terrible.

Priceless - Repubs had the White and both sides of Congress and couldn't get a wall built or funding passed in two years - and this poster criticizes the Dems who've only been in office a week - that's hypocrisy...

Oh my... Here we have Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama and HRC on video talking about their support for a wall/fence/barrier and STRONGER border security in general:

And as has been pointed out, Dems have been for comprehensive border security for years, not just some insecure wall.  Now we have Repubs de-funding TSA and the Coast Guard - they're the real Guardians of Open Borders....

They can't open the government because they are trying to blame democrats for the shutdown and direct anger towards the liberal party and away from themselves...which is backfiring. We can already see the effects of his actions as GOP members slowly beginning to detach from Trump. A lot of the people on here supporting Trump don't even sound like Republicans. Just Trump loyalists. You don't have to be a liberal to be against Trump.

His address is nothing more than an attempt to stir up the pot, create anger, and take a stab at his enemies. Maybe some more name calling. Crossed arms. His 1st attempt at a re-election speech if you will.

Well since you want to go back 35 years there has been 4 republican presidents and 2 democrats...So how about those links????

Oh, I never said, after Reagan, the Republicans after him were innocent, my point is, California is an echo chamber and the California Democrat congress has not acted in over 35 years to seal the border along TJ. So they say they want border security, and yet, do nothing about it.

So bass, why doesn’t Trump allow the other agencies to be funded? The Dems passed a bill funding everythig else.

Well you are talking about the majority of Americans who voted for him in a free and fair election.

The majority of Americans did not vote for him.

And the ones that did, voted for him based on a wall paid for by Mexico.

Republicans: Think a wall is necessary to protect Americans. Feel gun control isn't necessary to protect Americans.

Democrats: Think a wall is an inefficient way to protect Americans and therefore not necessary. Think gun control is necessary to protect Americans.

The compromise seems pretty simple here. Build the wall, and enact gun control. Neither side will be happy, but Americans will be a lot safer from both perspectives.

"The Dems passed a bill funding everythig else."

That's the problem, they didn't pass a bill with funding for improving the necessary physical barriers. They don't want to give Trump a victory, making it even harder for them to defeat him in 2020.

Serrano:. That's the problem, they didn't pass a bill with funding for improving the necessary physical barriers. They don't want to give Trump a victory, making it even harder for them to defeat him in 2020.

Doesn'tt answer my question. They can fund the other parts of the government and get those people paid and then handle the wall as a separate issue.

Why does Trump and the GOP need those people to not get paid?

Trump to give a prime time speech (All the major U.S. television networks agreed to air Trump's speech.) here is the problem, the media giving Trump access to a nationwide audience , without agreeing to a Q and A. One sided Trump rhetoric, is like a dictatorial speech. His rhetoric and lies have to be challenge, that's what is called a democracy. Trump is just a con artist, he knows he can say anything , blame anyone, and unless you stand up and challenge him , Trump wins. A national security threat isn't at the southern border, it's within the US's own borders. This WH asylum and the republican inmates are the biggest threat to America and it's so called democracy. There are so many problems the US has to fix, health , education, immigration, crime(mostly by US citizens),gun control, infrastructure, the voting system, homelessness , poverty, and the list goes on, and yet all the media concentrates on, is the wall and the southern border. The US media has to take its responsibility to the American people by standing up and challenging all the BS that Washington spews. I know that's a hard ask, when all the media is privately owned and bows down to Washington, and reporters are under pressure, but some media has to stand up and be counted, you owe it to the American people, otherwise Democracy doesn't work.

You don’t get equal time cause Dems aren’t the President. And no, we aren’t reopening the government first because then you will conveniently be “too busy” for negotiations as soon as that happens.

Blacklabel:. And no, we aren’t reopening the government first because then you will conveniently be “too busy” for negotiations as soon as that happens

Ah, so, hostages? Trump needs them to go unpaid or else he loses his leverage?

No, he has to shutdown the government to even get Dems to focus on securing our own border. Sad!

if he reopens it before the funding is in place Dems will renege on any deal they made or try to postpone it until after 2020 election.

No one being held hostage. They can quit their job and get a new one at anytime. “Non Essential” positions are like that.

Si until Trump gets his wall, he will make sure they don't get paid, and the reason is because it forces Democrats to talk to him.

But to be clear, they are not hostages

No, he has to shutdown the government to even get Dems to focus on securing our own border.

By defunding the TSA and Coast Guard that do more for keeping terrorists and criminals out of our country than a symbolic wall? 

Sad!

And stupid!

if he reopens it before the funding is in place Dems will renege on any deal they made or try to postpone it until after 2020 election.

You mean renege as in Trump saying he would sign the funding bill that passed both the House and Senate in Dec before being humiliated by Ingram and Limbaugh?

No one being held hostage. They can quit their job and get a new one at anytime. “Non Essential” positions are like that.

The American people are being held hostage, by Trump and his backbone surgeons and conspiracy theorists; Ingram, Malkin and Limbaugh...

Nope the door is wide open, they can leave any time they like if they don’t like being non essential government employees who aren’t paid during shutdowns.

So they are free to lose their jobs at any point if they don't like being a hostage anymore.

Not lose their jobs. Voluntarily decide to work a job that always gets paid when you work.

Were these same people hostages during all previous shutdowns or just this one?

Voluntarily decide to work a job that always gets paid when you work.

As said by the person who supported putting them in the position of working without pay.

Brave.

Where is Mitch McAWOL and why isn't he doing his job?

@blacklabel

You seem to be confused. They are being asked to work professional and needed jobs without pay for Trump's shutdown. Which jobs do you think are unecessary? The national parks? The US makes an enormous amount of revenue from the national parks. How about the IRS? Good thing they are asking them to finish tax refunds throughout the shutdown. Just to name a few of the things that are going to start being affected. I'm really rather confused how you can justify not paying government employees. Their work is just as important, probably more important than most others. Do you comprehend the effects of a long time shutdown? Doesn't seem like it, you seem to just be riding on Trumps tailcoat excited about his shutdown and daydreaming about border security wall myths.

plasticmonkeyToday 08:22 am JSTa prime-time address 

to his base.

To make the show more effective, I recommend inviting Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, and Trump's little Fox 'n Friends.

Those hateful loudmouths are responsible for the insane atmosphere engulfing the USA today. They are terrorists in their own right because they portray others as being less than human, and that always induces violence. They need to be put to justice for inducing fear and panic - maybe put into exile!

All the ones where the paperwork they sign when hired says “non essential”. Every government worker has paperwork for their position that clearly states essential or non.

you are the same guys who will be mad when these people get paid next month after shutdown is over for days they didn’t work.

prime time address, can’t wait!

Which jobs do you think are unecessary?

@blacklabel

How do you know the shutdown will be over next month? Trump even said "it could go on for months, years maybe".

Prime time address, I can't wait either. For him to make a legitimate fool of himself.

Biggest drops in net approval for baby Trump:

Alaska (-9 points)

Hawaii (-8 points)

Louisiana (-8 points)

Montana (-8 points)

Alabama (-7 points)

Tennessee (-7 points)

Missouri (-7 points)

Mr. Trumped, it's time to arm yourself with a gun, jump on a horse and rush to Mexico to fulfill your campaign promise: get some pesos for your idiotic wall!

gotta give him credit for being quick on his feet

In the two years Trump has been in office he hasn't been able to even start building his stupid wall. Even with a GOP congress. Then just before the Democrats take the House he shuts down the government and mulls declaring a national emergency. What emergency? It's the same situation as ever. And just the other day Trump was claiming he had already secured the border.

What a drama queen.

He's going to look a mighty fool on live national TV, standing out in the desert reading Stephen Miller's college-debate-club speech.

Evidently your President cares as he said "Mark My Words" not once but twice - so if he said it twice is it not a double-cave? 

Kinda like, “if you like your doctor you can keep him.” I get it now.

@bass

Nobody is talking about health care here. Whatever you are trying to say, I don't understand...

The Dems passed a bill funding everythig else.

Except the wall or fence or barrier....

By defunding the TSA and Coast Guard that do more for keeping terrorists and criminals out of our country than a symbolic wall?  

Ok, so what about the illegals coming through the Southern border? Why is it Democrats say, they’re for it and then lie? I don’t get it. What do they have against border security?

And stupid!

Democrats unwillingness to defend our borders, yes, it is. Very much so.

You mean renege as in Trump saying he would sign the funding bill that passed both the House and Senate in Dec before being humiliated by Ingram and Limbaugh? The American people are being held hostage, by Trump and his backbone surgeons and conspiracy theorists; Ingram, Malkin and Limbaugh...

Yes, I guess in the Dems eyes constructive criticism is seen as humiliation, I guess....ok, but let’s focus for a moment, American people are being held hostage, that’s very true, so the Dems should do something about it, meet with the President, step up to the plate and prove to the Republicans and people living along the border that the Democrats are serious about border security. Here’s there big chance.

Nobody is talking about health care here. Whatever you are trying to say, I don't understand...

Yes, but both men “promised” something that wasn’t true and couldn’t deliver, that’s the main focus.

@bass

They have stepped up to the plate, asked for border security and gave multiple options. Trump denied us border security because it wasn't the "Trump Wall" and shut down the government. Do you even follow the news?

Kinda like, “if you like your doctor you can keep him.” I get it now.

It's only kind of like that if it cost $25 billion to switch to a new doctor.

And I really hope you aren't whining about a president saying something false. Remember who your dear leader is.

@bass

Trump promised something that he new he couldn't deliver from the very start. He promised it because he knew he could trick people like you into thinking they should pay for it with their own money later on. He's been playing that game his whole life, reaping off the less intelligent for his own benefit.

Obamacare was an attempt at restructuring an already broken healthcare, at least it was a promise with heart and real intent, even if it didn't work out the way people hoped.

Why is it Democrats say, they’re for it and then lie? I don’t get it.

Because you only get your news from Trumpist sources.

Democrats have offered money for border security, but not for a wall. Got it?

Trump 'n Friends want to hoodwink people into thinking non-support for a wall equals advocating "open borders". Most people are not stupid enough to fall for this trick. There are exceptions, of course . . .

BTW, is Fox still doing hourly updates on that scary caravan? It's still a national emergency, isn't it?

Ok, so what about the illegals coming through the Southern border? Why is it Democrats say, they’re for it and then lie? I don’t get it. What do they have against border security?

Bill passed last week by Dem House to fully fund TSA and Coast Guard - McConnell MIA and Trump wouldn't sign - Repubs - Guardians of Open Borders...

And stupid!

Democrats unwillingness to defend our borders, yes, it is. Very much so.

See above...

You mean renege as in Trump saying he would sign the funding bill that passed both the House and Senate in Dec before being humiliated by Ingram and Limbaugh? The American people are being held hostage, by Trump and his backbone surgeons and conspiracy theorists; Ingram, Malkin and Limbaugh...

Yes, I guess in the Dems eyes constructive criticism is seen as humiliation, I guess....ok, but let’s focus for a moment, American people are being held hostage, that’s very true, so the Dems should do something about it, meet with the President, step up to the plate and prove to the Republicans and people living along the border that the Democrats are serious about border security. Here’s there big chance.

The gentleman below doesn't agree with you - I agree with him;

"If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength."

Trump also said that further down in history "when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the president."

Yes, but both men “promised” something that wasn’t true and couldn’t deliver, that’s the main focus.

It's on the record - Bass admits Trump lied and didn't deliver...

bass4funkToday 09:25 am JST

Not really, liberals keep peddling this bogus diatribe that only his “base cares” this is way beyond the base.

Right, and "way beyond the base" we have...

The President has a very high approval among Republicans, the average working rural and evangelical Republican that trust him over the old Washington establishment that has dismissed him.

That's basically Trump's base, isn't it?

Somehow I can't see many liberals reading the comments here and becoming conservatives.

Trump was ordered to do his U-turn by his handlers, Coulter and Limbaugh. Until then he was happy to do the right thing, even by accident. But now he has his new instructions and the wild boar charges off in a different direction. Unable to think for itself, who knows where it will end up?

Donny, the shameless liar will dish out falsehoods once again and his intellectually challenged supporters will lap it up.

He might think he is setting the stage for declaring a national emergency but Americans, even the ones blinded by bigotry , will not give him the right to become a dictator.

Bring it on Donny boy.

Let's get some facts and figures on the table...

According to the administration's own figures, there were some 4,000 individuals stopped entering the US in 2018 - these were suspicious individuals who were on a terror watch list or in a similar database.

Of that 4,000 - only six were found at the southern border - all the rest were stopped at an airport or seaport.

Trump says this shutdown is about security - but the Trump Shutdown de-funds our TSA and Coast Guard who are on the front lines defending us from these potential threats.

Bottom-line: The Trump Shutdown is making us significantly less safe, increasing the risk of a terrorist attack on the US.

He is not acting like a President, a Chief Executive, a Leader...

He is violating his oath to keep the American people safe and secure.

Democrats unwillingness to defend our borders

Reagan is the one who gave out 3M free greencards.

I'm still amazed (although, given the propensity for Trump supporters to swallow the biggest of lies, I shouldn't be) at how the administration gets away with the lies about terrorists coming through the southern borders.

Tonight's fictions should prove relatively amusing but not for the workers, and certainly not for the migrants whose only crime is to seek a better life.

"Biggest drops in net approval for baby Trump:"

They didn't survey me. I'm sure they surveyed a whole lotta Democrats though.

"BTW, is Fox still doing hourly updates on that scary caravan"

Maybe you would think it's scary if you had a family member murdered by an illegal immigrant.

Since the Democrats are never going to give the votes needed to fund the wall during the next 2 years, I hope Trump does declare a national emergency, which we do indeed have on our southern border, and order the military to build it.

the dems and clueless repubs have created a mess over the last 2 decades; I say let Trump reset the mess, with his chaos, and build the wall.

They have stepped up to the plate, asked for border security and gave multiple options.

Like what? 35 years and still not a single liberal can give concrete details as to what that is.

Somehow I can't see many liberals reading the comments here and becoming conservatives

I don’t think liberals are even liberal, hammer and sickle coming to a State near you.

Maybe you would think it's scary if you had a family member murdered by an illegal immigrant.

Straw man argument, at best.

Maybe some people would be scared if they were a "minority" and were assaulted or murdered or their child incarcerated, just for seeking a better life.

I don’t think liberals are even liberal, hammer and sickle coming to a State near you.

This statement has no basis in reality. According to some people, anyone who is opposed to the administration's vile plans is a, shiver, liberal.

I wish those people could educate themselves in political ideology.

According to the administration's own figures, there were some 4,000 individuals stopped entering the US in 2018 - these were suspicious individuals who were on a terror watch list or in a similar database.

Of that 4,000 - only six were found at the southern border - all the rest were stopped at an airport or seaport.

So how did the other 14 million illegals get into the country? Telekinesis? Teleportation?

Trump says this shutdown is about security - but the Trump Shutdown de-funds our TSA and Coast Guard who are on the front lines defending us from these potential threats.

And they will be reimbursed and now the WH said, they’ll get their tax return as scheduled. All is well, life is good. Time for the Cuervo Gold and that fine Columbian.

Bottom-line: The Trump Shutdown is making us significantly less safe, increasing the risk of a terrorist attack on the US.

He is not acting like a President, a Chief Executive, a Leader... 

He is violating his oath to keep the American people safe and secure.

Well, I will agree with you, now that Trump has the Democrats attention, maybe they will finally once again worry about safety and the border and maybe, just maybe think about the residents along the border.

This statement has no basis in reality.

Not for liberals it doesn’t, you’re right.

According to some people, anyone who is opposed to the administration's vile plans is a, shiver, liberal.

I wish those people could educate themselves in political ideology.

Well, I’ll agree on that last part. But you make that statement and yet, if someone opposes liberals, they’re ignorant, they don’t understand politics, Europeans think they have a key idea of how Americans think and feel so they’re educated enough to bring forth comments and think they can debate the issues, if Americans or conservatives make comments about European politics or want to debate about Europeans culture, they just don’t know and need to shut up. ROFL. Can’t stop laughing.

Mr. President, hold the line!

But but Dems funded everything but the wall., so it’s good enough? Ok, and I signed everyone’s paycheck at work but yours- all cool?

So ONLY 6 terrorists were stopped is a selling point that security isn’t needed? That’s 6 too many and that’s at the places where there is security. How many got through where there is no security at all but should be?

What are these multiple options from Dems about border security again? No wall, no fence or no barrier- are these the 3 choices?

Not for liberals it doesn’t, you’re right.

Thus, proving my point. Equating centerist ideologies with communism is akin to equating Sinn Fein with the DUP. If that's too obscure, let me simplify - it's like making a comparison with polar bears and macramé.

But you make that statement and yet, if someone opposes liberals, they’re ignorant, they don’t understand politics, Europeans think they have a key idea of how Americans think and feel so they’re educated enough to bring forth comments and think they can debate the issues, if Americans or conservatives make comments about European politics or want to debate about Europeans culture, they just don’t know and need to shut up. ROFL. Can’t stop laughing.

Please don't blame others for a lack of comprehension on your part. You've been patiently awarded the definitions, examples and nuances of different ideologies over the years, and still default to the "liberal" umbrella when it all gets a bit too overcast.

There are plenty of contributors here who understand world politics and they seem to do just fine. They can see that this wall is folly and the aggressive rhetoric that underlies it's purpose is plain to see.

Despite the JT demographic, this is not a site just for American commentators. All the grandstanding and ill-thought-out deflections won't change that, thankfully.

So ONLY 6 terrorists were stopped is a selling point that security isn’t needed? That’s 6 too many and that’s at the places where there is security. How many got through where there is no security at all but should be?

If liberals think that’s nothing then you know he border is not in safe hands under their leadership, God help us all.

Thus, proving my point. Equating centerist ideologies with communism is akin to equating Sinn Fein with the DUP. If that's too obscure, let me simplify - it's like making a comparison with polar bears and macramé.

So is that what liberals are trying to call it now? Interesting.....

Please don't blame others for a lack of comprehension on your part.

Same to you.

You've been patiently awarded the definitions, examples and nuances of different ideologies over the years, and still default to the "liberal" umbrella when it all gets a bit too overcast. 

As do liberals when they think they understand conservatives or even conservatism.

There are plenty of contributors here who understand world politics and they seem to do just fine. They can see that this wall is folly and the aggressive rhetoric that underlies it's purpose is plain to see.

Despite the JT demographic, this is not a site just for American commentators. All the grandstanding and ill-thought-out deflections won't change that, thankfully.

Yes, so we both feel exactly the same, then your argument is not with me, but I do think it funny how liberals see themselves as the model for upstanding righteousness. Really funny.

According to the administration's own figures, there were some 4,000 individuals stopped entering the US in 2018 - these were suspicious individuals who were on a terror watch list or in a similar database.

Of that 4,000 - only six were found at the southern border - all the rest were stopped at an airport or seaport.

So how did the other 14 million illegals get into the country? Telekinesis? Teleportation?

We're talking about potential terrorists - you know, people that want to kill us versus illegals who only want a job changing the sheets at Mar-A-Lago...

Trump says this shutdown is about security - but the Trump Shutdown de-funds our TSA and Coast Guard who are on the front lines defending us from these potential threats.

And they will be reimbursed and now the WH said, they’ll get their tax return as scheduled. All is well, life is good. Time for the Cuervo Gold and that fine Columbian.

They ain't getting paid now - all may be well in your life, but not for 800,000 workers whose job it is to keep us safe.

Bottom-line: The Trump Shutdown is making us significantly less safe, increasing the risk of a terrorist attack on the US.

He is not acting like a President, a Chief Executive, a Leader... 

He is violating his oath to keep the American people safe and secure.

Well, I will agree with you, now that Trump has the Democrats attention, maybe they will finally once again worry about safety and the border and maybe, just maybe think about the residents along the border.

There's hope for you Bass - you agree that Trump lied and failed to deliver on a promise, and now that he is violating his oath to protect the American people. We'll get you signed up for Elizabeth Warren's campaign letter yet.

Media and Dems so scared that Trump gets to talk directly to the American people. Why? Thought about not covering it at all, then Dems want “equal time”, then fact checking real time on the screen?

Why all the counter programming unless they are afraid people will hear his message? He’s just an idiot talking about something NO ONE wants......right? Right?

So is that what liberals are trying to call it now? Interesting.....

I'm trying to simplify something you clearly have issues with in comprehending & once again you resort to the ad hominem of "liberal"?

Same to you.

Childish retort. You either understand the differences in ideologies, or you don't.

As do liberals when they think they understand conservatives or even conservatism.

Again, avoiding the crux of the matter. Refusing to address the statement and stooping to schoolyard "so are you" shtick is not dialogue.

but I do think it funny how liberals see themselves as the model for upstanding righteousness.

You're the only one saying that. Seeing the wall as an abomination and un-American is hardly a claim to what you counter.

The way Democrats are freaking out over the wall tells you it works.

> We're talking about potential terrorists - you know, people that want to kill us versus illegals who only want a job changing the sheets at Mar-A-Lago...

When liberals say “potential”, it’s code for just leave, don’t look or touch it, maybe it’ll go away.

There's hope for you Bass - you agree that Trump lied and failed to deliver on a promise, and now that he is violating his oath to protect the American people. We'll get you signed up for Elizabeth Warren's campaign letter yet.

I never said or thought he lied. Sorry to disappoint you. Warren...yeah...April 1st is not here yet, but I do think that was funny. Yes, given her history with liberals race....dear lord...

The only way these 800,000 workers can keep me safe is go link arms at the border and prevent illegals from crossing. What part of “non essential” personnel can’t you comprehend?

But but Dems funded everything but the wall., so it’s good enough? Ok, and I signed everyone’s paycheck at work but yours- all cool?

????? It provided for another 30 days to negotiate on border security - but Repubs failed to sign it - keeping our air and sea ports at risk - Guardians of Open Borders....

So ONLY 6 terrorists were stopped is a selling point that security isn’t needed? That’s 6 too many and that’s at the places where there is security. How many got through where there is no security at all but should be?

There is no selling point - the point is that the other 3994 tried to enter at air and sea ports and the Trump Shutdown de-funded TSA and CG - putting us at significantly more risk.

The Trump Shutdown - the one that keeps out 6 potential terrorist but lets in 3994 more....

He's a danger to the republic and has violated his oath to keep us safe.

Mr. President, hold the line!

And say hello to the Captain of the Titanic as you pass him by...

Mexico will pay, the wall will be concrete, won't accept anything less than $5.6 billion - the ship is sinking fast...

Media and Dems so scared that Trump gets to talk directly to the American people. Why?

I can't speak for your imaginary quivering masses, but, I'm quite welcoming when your leader goes off script. It's a wonderful insight into an unhinged and deluded mind at work.

No doubt a warning that future historians will remind our descendants about, should there be an actual future after these trying times.

And say hello to the Captain of the Titanic as you pass him by...

Democrats going down fiddling all the way.

Mexico will pay, the wall will be concrete, won't accept anything less than $5.6 billion - the ship is sinking fast...

Oh, what will the Democrats do? Already freshly sworn in and already can’t get any legislation through. Man!

And say hello to the Captain of the Titanic as you pass him by...

Democrats going down fiddling all the way.

See below...

Mexico will pay, the wall will be concrete, won't accept anything less than $5.6 billion - the ship is sinking fast...

Oh, what will the Democrats do? Already freshly sworn in and already can’t get any legislation through. Man!

"Mexico will pay" - caved...

"The wall will be concrete"- caved...

"I won't accept anything less than $5.6 B" - caved...

Donnie the Caveman...

And two years of White House, Senate and House Repub rule and no wall - FAIL.....

Reopened the government- caved.

Oh wait......

No one can explain to my satisfaction why the government has to be open just to heard Democrats repeat the word “no” to every compromise attempt.

Do you really believe if Trump opens the government Dems will suddenly negotiate in good faith? Why can they do that now but couldn’t do it in the last 17 days?

Dont even know what he did is going to say tomorrow night and already mocking and hating it. Cause you know he won’t be saying he is caving.

Reopened the government- caved.

Oh wait......

Thanks - I'm glad you admitted it - still no funding for the TSA and CG so he's still violating his oath to keep us secure...

If there's a terrorist attack, it's all his fault...

Those people are working with no impact to services. If you are really concerned the Mueller investigation seems to be fully funded can pull some cash from that.

No one can explain to my satisfaction why the government has to be open just to heard Democrats repeat the word “no” to every compromise attempt.

I think that's true, no one can explain it to you. For the rest of us, one word - Terrorists...

Do you really believe if Trump opens the government Dems will suddenly negotiate in good faith?

Trump supported the funding bill that passed both Repub controlled Houses in Dec - then he got humiliated by Ingram and Limbaugh - talk about good faith...

Why can they do that now but couldn’t do it in the last 17 days?

Because Donnie the Caveman will likely cave some more...

Dont even know what he did is going to say tomorrow night and already mocking and hating it.

Absolutely...

Cause you know he won’t be saying he is caving.

Won't be saying it, but will be doing it...

Maybe this is a great time to look at how some non essential things got funded while supposedly essential things didn’t.

Blacklabel: No one can explain to my satisfaction why the government has to be open

You're not satisfied with the explanation that people should be paid for their work and not held hostage so the president can have leverage? It sounds like you're blaming the hostages for working in an industry where Trump can take them hostage...so in a way it's their own fault?

PlasticMonkey: mulls declaring a national emergency. What emergency?

The national emergency is Trump's reelection campaign. Someone got in his ear and told him that without a wall he's gone in 2020 so we went from having a budget to a national emergency in less than 30 days.

Here's my guess about tonight... Trump will go on national TV and blame Democrats for the shutdown. This will be done with everyone knowing that last month Trump went on national TV and bragged about his ownership of the shutdown. His supporters won't care about the 180 and will still expect us to take them seriously.

He's going to mislead about the danger. We've seen it from Sanders and Kirstjen Nielsen who have been sent out to spread misleading information. Chris Wallace shredded Sanders and now Trump can talk without a reporter in front of him asking questions and fact checking him. He's going to tie in crime, disease, rape, murder, and he's going to make a big push to put his bogus terrorism claims front and center. Disease didn't work, maybe Muslims will.

And finally, he's going to flat out lie. He can't help himself and the people around him are too afraid to tell him not to. It's in his blood. He's gotten away with it his whole life. He will be lying until the day he dies.

Oh, what will the Democrats do? Already freshly sworn in and already can’t get any legislation through. Man!

Factually incorrect as usual. The new House was sworn in only a week ago, and they've already passed a package of bills (last Thursday--January 3-- 2nd day on the job) to reopen the government, so your claim is false. It's now up to the Republican-led Senate to do their jobs and put it to a vote, which no thanks to obstructionist Mitch McConnell, they won't get to do, so if you want to blame anyone for not getting legislation passed, look no further than the U.S. Senate.

"Mexico will pay" - caved...

"The wall will be concrete"- caved...

Now I get it, the Democrats want the wall to be made out of straw paper, makes sense I guess.

"I won't accept anything less than $5.6 B" - caved...

And the Democrats can’t even get anything through the Senate, ultimate fai-lee-ur.

And two years of White House, Senate and House Repub rule and no wall - FAIL.....

200 accomplishments say otherwise. The msm failed. Lol

The national emergency is Trump's reelection campaign. Someone got in his ear and told him that without a wall he's gone in 2020 so we went from having a budget to a national emergency in less than 30 days.

Of course, it’s the exact same thing with Obama and his healthcare, if he didn’t get that legislation through, he’s toast.

Here's my guess about tonight... Trump will go on national TV and blame Democrats for the shutdown. This will be done with everyone knowing that last month Trump went on national TV and bragged about his ownership of the shutdown. His supporters won't care about the 180 and will still expect us to take them seriously.

Exactly, that’s democracy, Trump as the right to tell his base and beyond what the facts are, he said he would be willing to have a shutdown and the Dems are also at fault because 1) they agreed and 2) they refuse to do anything to fix the situation, so both are responsible.

He's going to mislead about the danger. We've seen it from Sanders and Kirstjen Nielsen who have been sent out to spread misleading information. Chris Wallace shredded Sanders and now Trump can talk without a reporter in front of him asking questions and fact checking him. He's going to tie in crime, disease, rape, murder, and he's going to make a big push to put his bogus terrorism claims front and center. Disease didn't work, maybe Muslims will.

I will never understand why liberals are so weak when it comes to national security and the border, they huff and puff like a Pitt python, but behind the rhetoric or lack of it, they’re so weak. They would rather allow drugs, illegals and even possible terrorists enter the country. California is a complete mess and it shows Democrats and liberals.

And finally, he's going to flat out lie. He can't help himself and the people around him are too afraid to tell him not to. It's in his blood. He's gotten away with it his whole life. He will be lying until the day he dies.

Liberals are worried about Trump and him maybe lying, but calling out the Democrats constant lies, not gong to happen.

he said he would be willing to have a shutdown and the Dems are also at fault because 1) they agreed and 2) they refuse to do anything to fix the situation, so both are responsible.

Ah, so it's the workers fault for putting themselves in the position to be hostages, and it's the Democrats fault for not giving in to Trump's demand to release the hostages.

Yep, lots of blame to go around, not just with Trump the hostage taker.

Factually incorrect as usual. The new House was sworn in only a week ago, and they've already passed a package of bills (last Thursday--January 3-- 2nd day on the job) to reopen the government, so your claim is false.

I wasn’t talking about that, the WH made sure that and tax returns will delivered promptly, I was talking about the bigger legislation the Dems have won’t pass McConnell’s desk-DOA or until the Dems give Trump the money for the wall.

It's now up to the Republican-led Senate to do their jobs and put it to a vote,

They won’t.

which no thanks to obstructionist Mitch McConnell, they won't get to do, so if you want to blame anyone for not getting legislation passed, look no further than the U.S. Senate.

Thank God for Mitch!

the bigger legislation the Dems have won’t pass McConnell’s desk-DOA or until the Dems give Trump the money for the wall.

Ah, so we can add bipartisan legislation as another hostage. Yay for MAGA! (Hint: agree with me)

Trump caved again and accepted a paper wall? Well, at least its still called a "wall"...Limbaugh will be happy with that...

Whatever euphemism makes Democrats happy.

More Obama fixation - he's been gone two years.

Just another tacky, cheap Las Vegas Lounge act...and the TSA and CG still unfunded - failed leadership...

Well, it didn’t stop liberals from the 7 year Bush syndrome, so 5 more years to go.

Nobody’s buying this hostage talking point sorry. It’s a voluntary job where people can quit anytime and come and go as they please. Thanks to Trump there are millions of other jobs they can work if they don’t like it.

Love hie people already criticizing a speech that hasn’t even made yet based on what they speculate will be said.

Not a peep when other presidents declared national emergencies for what was happening halfway around the world in a place that had no impact at all on our lives.

And the Democrats can’t even get anything through the Senate, ultimate fai-lee-ur.

and Trump can't get anything through the house, ultimate karma

If a terrorist gets through the airports during the shutdown so proudly claimed by Trump, and commits a terrorist act, I'd say that's the end of his presidency.

and Trump can't get anything through the house, ultimate karma

And that’s why we call or gridlock.

blacklabel: Nobody’s buying this hostage talking point sorry. It’s a voluntary job where people can quit anytime

So if they don't like having their paychecks held by Trump they aren't hostages since they can just quit their jobs. So...hostages or no job. The better option would be to pay them and let them get on with their lives....but....ya know....Trump needs that leverage.

I wasn’t talking about that,

Oh, it was pretty clear that you were, and you got caught making another false claim. Don't try and move the goalposts.

the WH made sure that and tax returns will delivered promptly,

What? The WH made sure of what exactly?

I was talking about the bigger legislation the Dems have won’t pass McConnell’s desk-DOA or until the Dems give Trump the money for the wall.

So, you are admitting that Senate obstructionism will prevent any legislation passed by the House from getting signed into law, therefore making it the Republican-led Senate that cannot pass anything instead of the Democrats. As far as Trump getting his demands for a wall, it ain't going to happen. The Democrats can keep passing smaller bills offering to fund some of the very agencies that the Senate will refuse to vote on, putting those Senators in a very difficult spot since they would be refusing to pay those federal workers and others affected by the shutdown, so it's on the Republican senators and not the Democrats. There are Republican senators already wavering on this obstructionism, but I hope that McConnell keeps it up which will ensure that the Republicans will also lose the Senate during the next election, so please, keep cheering him on.

And the Democrats can’t even get anything through the Senate, ultimate fai-lee-ur.

Yes, a failure on the Republicans' part since it is not up to the Democrats in the House to get enough votes in the Senate to pass their bills. It's up to the Senate to take a vote on the bills--that is if their so-called leader will let them.

Once again our President has the democrat media industrial complex marching to his drum beat. The conga line of so-called experts on various panel show are breathlessly ask each other: "will he declare a nation emergency?", "is there actually a national emergency?", "how will he justify a national emergency?".

They are indelibly linking The Wall, illegal immigration and "national emergency" in the minds of their viewers even before his speech is aired later tonight.

Brilliant, VSGPDJT. Well played, sir.

"ISIS has been beaten, and they have been beaten badly."

WHOOPS!

"I never said that..."

(Video of him saying that)

"They are all coming home, and they are coming home now."

WHOOPS!

"I never said that ..."

(Video of him saying that)

Oh, it was pretty clear that you were

I really wasn’t.

So, you are admitting that Senate obstructionism will prevent any legislation passed by the House from getting signed into law, therefore making it the Republican-led Senate that cannot pass anything instead of the Democrats.

Correct. The same way the Democrats want to obstruct this President.

As far as Trump getting his demands for a wall, it ain't going to happen.

Neither will any of the Democrats legislations as Mitch said.

The Democrats can keep passing smaller bills offering to fund some of the very agencies that the Senate will refuse to vote on, putting those Senators in a very difficult spot since they would be refusing to pay those federal workers and others affected by the shutdown, so it's on the Republican senators and not the Democrats.

They can do that, but governing doesn’t mean anything if they can’t pass big legislation, that’s just a fact and that goes for either party and if you can’t do that....yikes!

There are Republican senators already wavering on this obstructionism, but I hope that McConnell keeps it up which will ensure that the Republicans will also lose the Senate during the next election, so please, keep cheering him on.

Yeah, good luck with that. Lol

Yes, a failure on the Republicans' part since it is not up to the Democrats in the House to get enough votes in the Senate to pass their bills. It's up to the Senate to take a vote on the bills--that is if their so-called leader will let them.

Well, that won’t happen for the next foreseeable future.

But why not release the hostages, bass?

Oh my... Here we have Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama and HRC on video talking about their support for a wall/fence/barrier and STRONGER border security in general:

And now you can add Mexico to the list !

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/mexicos_interior_minister_outlies_plans_to_secure_their_southern_border_against_illegal_immigrants.html

Mexico’s interior minister outlines plans to secure their southern border against illegal immigrants

President Donald Trump says in an Oval Office address that there is a "growing humanitarian and security crisis" at the U.S.-Mexico border, though crossings have fallen in recent years.

It looks like Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus given he admits crossings have fallen in recent years (thanks Obama), which is counter to his supporters screams about waves and waves of undocumented immigrants crossing. How's it feel when your idol makes you a liar when all you were trying to do was support him?

The president said Tuesday night that all Americans are hurt by uncontrolled illegal immigration. He says it strains public resources and drives down jobs and wages.

I thought the economy was roaring? Let's put out conservative black and white glasses on: the economy is either roaring or jobs and wages are being driven down. Which is it? You cannot have it both ways.

Trump needs to take Lindsey Graham's advice -- if you want something, (e.g. a wall) you need to "start winning some elections" ... instead of losing them. Over to you, Trump supporters!