California shooter kills 10 at dance club; motive unclear

And what else is new? Nothing changes.

Now reporting that at least 9 are dead.

Saturday night in the good old US of A.

They have two options, proper gun control like the rest of the civilised world or mandatory gun carrying, everyone (including children) has to carry a gun at all times, after all the answer to these shootings is more guns isn’t it, this way the shooters can be stopped by all the good people with guns? Or so we are repeatedly told.

Nothing to see here, just your typical day in the 'Land of the Free and the home of the woke' move along.

If only there had been more good guys with guns at the scene.

Of course the police arriving would have known telepathically which gun toting yahoo was a good guy and which was a bad guy and shot accordingly. Perhaps a mandatory white ten gallon hat is necessary to aid identification.

Wherefore art thou, America?

Most people in the US don't care enough to get rid of the guns so why should anyone living outside?

That’s a heavily Asian populated district. A bit unusual.

People need their guns to protect themselves from the bad people with guns.

Why is that so difficult to understand ?

Because it is a nonsensical idea that just doesn’t work.

Good guy with a gun has a bad day and becomes a bad guy happens more often than good guy with a gun saves the day.

The solution is more guns? I suspect you mean guns for ‘some people’ not ‘people’.

Have you ever lived in the USA ?

I did for 30 yrs

How many times in 30 years did you pull your piece?

Reportedly, no motive found, ten dead, ten hospitalized and, shooter with machine gun drove away in a white car. What? No motive found? On Lunar New Year of the Rabbit? In a dance hall filled with Chinese and Orientals?

Because it is a nonsensical idea that just doesn’t work. 

Good guy with a gun has a bad day and becomes a bad guy happens more often than good guy with a gun saves the day. 

The solution is more guns? I suspect you mean guns for ‘some people’ not ‘people’.

So what should people do? The left have no solution as usual.

https://www.montereypark.ca.gov/1056/Data-Demographics

So much for safety in numbers.

In any other country an incident like this would probably lead to a change in gun laws, at the very least a parliamentary debate. America seems incapable of either.

What's the point of amendments if you can't amend them?

In any other country an incident like this would probably lead to a change in gun laws, at the very least a parliamentary debate. America seems incapable of either. 

OK, slinging mud is easy, every country has their own set of problems, take your pick, but I want to know, what are you going to do disarmed the people and allow the bad people to have guns, you’re going to get rid of the Second Amendment, that’s not going to happen, so what’s the better solution? Any ideas and no emotional platitudes please.

Until enough Americans want to change these tragic stories it will surely continue, daily.

We safely and happily just returned from our Lunar New Year with Chinese friends and spicey hotpots. No worry about guns here.

We safely and happily just returned from our Lunar New Year with Chinese friends and spicey hotpots. No worry about guns here.

Ok, ok, so what’s the solution right now in the US? Realistically, we don’t need to talk about the second amendment, that’s not going away, so I want to know what people should do.

Realistically, we don’t need to talk about the second amendment, that’s not going away, so I want to know what people should do.

Where to start?

I guess we could define the word "arms" more narrowly. It generally means "weapons", and despite that constitutional wording, I understand various kinds of weapons are not allowed in the US. So if you can't possess nuclear weapons, why should you be able to possess guns. Maybe restrict rights to possession of slingshots.

There's something about a well-regulated militia in that amendment. So maybe require that people belong to such a thing before they can possess arms.

Or maybe you could limit the places that people can keep and bear arms - e.g. only in a closet.

But gee, that amendment just makes no sense. Give it up! If you want guns, manage it with normal laws.

If not now then they would have died from fentanyl or other drugs or another gang shooting etc a few party weekends later anyway. It’s just becoming icy cold outside, and I still don’t even mean the announced winter temperatures or their fake contrary, the so-called hot climate change temperatures.

You also have no answers and never post any.

Sorry, I do.

First of all stop defending the police, that is the worst thing you could do to any society.

Second, put a stop to no cash bail

Third, hire more police, and don’t restrain them, let them use whatever force they need to bring a situation under control.

Fourth, half district attorneys, that will prosecute criminal activity and not push for the shortest sentence.

Fifth, increase the penalty for repeat offenders., And give them lengthy probation if they violate any terms of their probationary. Period.

That’s your start right there. If you are soft on crime you will have chaos and that’s what is happening in California now. Monterey Park used to be so safe you could go almost anywhere and now you have thugs shooting up the place because they know there are no repercussions for them whatsoever.

But what does any of that have to do with the gun homicides which are now like a plague in America? More than 600 mass shootings last year. The highest gun homicides of all the G7 countries. Many shooters without criminal records.

There are 2.5 million American citizens in prison and you want to put even more there.

Just like in many other countries, better gun laws are needed plus getting all the guns off the streets. Works in Japan.

First of all stop defending the police, that is the worst thing you could do to any society.

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. Stop defending the police.

Third, hire more police, and don’t restrain them, let them use whatever force they need to bring a situation under control.

All police officers have to be restrained and conduct themselves according to the laws. They are not above them. Sounds more like the OK Correal.

What a mess of a plan.

But what does any of that have to do with the gun homicides which are now like a plague in America? More than 600 mass shootings last year. The highest gun homicides of all the G7 countries. Many shooters without criminal records.

Again, you’re making the apples and oranges argument, and you’re making an argument that can’t be resolved so easily, but what you can do is, you can resend the defunding of police officers, you can increase police presence, you can untie their hands and allow them to do their jobs, that is some thing that is feasible and doable right now

There are 2.5 million American citizens in prison and you want to put even more there.

If need be.

Just like in many other countries, better gun laws are needed plus getting all the guns off the streets. Works in Japan.

Ok, but we’re not talking about Japan, I know that you’re safe space and it’s easy for you to pivot, because you don’t have a solution, so you keep running back to Japan, but what I’m concerned is, the rise in crime in the United States, especially in cities that didn’t have a history of crime, and what the solution is, the immediate solution.

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. Stop defending the police.

Typical leftist rant.

All police officers have to be restrained and conduct themselves according to the laws.

Ok, no knocking warrants, no chokeholds, not being allowed to immediately draw their weapons and use deadly force on someone that’s holding a weapon at them, that’s tying their hands, you’re having more and more police officers getting shot. As a result, you’re making the great argument as to why more and more people are leaving California who want to stay when the police are not even allowed to do their job?

They are not above them. Sounds more like the OK Correal.

What a mess of a plan.

No, that was your plan, making excuses for criminals, sympathize with them, and patronize the very people to uphold the law, great, yeah, it’s a mess alright.

I don't sell fruits. I guess you live in Japan with your family because it is safer. This forum is in Japan and many of us live here. Comparisons with other countries are a norm.

I haven't made any excuses for any criminals. That's your dept.

Guns off the streets and better gun laws are the only answers.

Unfortunately, gun homicides happen in all states.

Just as I guested you have no answers.

This puts the USA in bad light yet again, and what's worse is they are unable to come up with any effective solutions.

Best leader of the free world?- Fix your own country first before you preach about how your way is the best.

This was an incident waiting to happen because CA has some of the strictest gun laws in the US, and it has been proven time and again in the US that gun free zones are sitting duck zones.

I guess you live in Japan with your family because it is safer.

Half of the year and it's safe where I live in Texas.

This forum is in Japan and many of us live here. Comparisons with other countries are a norm.

I haven't made any excuses for any criminals. That's your dept.

More dodging and no answers. Again, not surprised.

Guns off the streets and better gun laws are the only answers.

For you, not for us, you won't get rid of our second amendment, you can't even vote since you are a citizen, so you're coming from it a country that really doesn't have them or the second amendment and that is fine, that is your country, I am happy that ours does and since it will never go away, what can we do to bring the homicide down, don't run to your safe space, just answer, if you can't, no foul, I respect that, but don't dodge and no leftist platitudes, please.

Just as I guested you have no answers.

I just did, I always do, so scroll up, or better yet, let let me help you.

First of all, stop defending the police, that is the worst thing you could do to any society.

Second, put a stop to no cash bail

Third, hire more police, and don’t restrain them, let them use whatever force they need to bring a situation under control.

Fourth, half of the district attorneys, will prosecute criminal activity and not push for the shortest sentence.

Fifth, increase the penalty for repeat offenders., And give them lengthy probation if they violate any terms of their probationary. Period.

wallaceToday  01:27 am JST

I don't sell fruits. I guess you live in Japan with your family because it is safer. This forum is in Japan and many of us live here. Comparisons with other countries are a norm.

Then you have no special insight into the US and the events that occur there.

How Sad, Monterey Park is mainly a Chinese community with many nice homes, schools, buildings and several delicious Chinese food restaurants.

The police are reporting 10 dead 10 injured, No Arrests yet, and he MAY have gone to another location near by in the city of Alhambra where he entered a dance club and fired more shots then took off.

Again another shooting and this time against Asians, the empowerment of the MAGA gang against those who are different and the stupid idolatry of the conservatives for guns make this a gigantic rotten pot that the US can never solve.

You have absolutely no idea who did the shooting. You’re making broad back accusations.

The US is gradually becoming a third world country with losing wars such as homelessness, failed health system, gun violence, drug addiction, bankrupt homes and immense racism...

Thanks to out of control leftist policies.

Instead of fixing their country first

Relax, they’re doing it by leaving the failed blue state policies that have been ruined by liberal policies.

they worry about getting into the problems of other countries by pretending a position of false superiority..

Nothing false, when the US sneezes the rest of the world catches a cold.

The US is not safe to live and not even to go as a tourist, a failed state, thank God I don't live there,

You don’t, 320 million and growing do.

how much I appreciate my safe, clean, civilized and free of guns JAPAN !!..

That is your choice.

Keep making the job easier for China to be number one in the world..

And then who will protect Japan against a hostile China? Germany? Australia or France?

Unusual???.. Shootings happens in US everyday..

Yes, not just the US

The trumpism that you adore has strengthened the hatred against minorities..

That was there waaaay before Trump even came on the political scene

And those who see this as something "unusual" are also part of the problem..

No, being from LA, Monterey Park was always a calm, not it’s not, the problem is that you have a mayor and governor that enact the craziest progressive laws and policies they have made things a lot worse for over 20 years.

Again another shooting and this time against Asians, the empowerment of the MAGA gang against those who are different and the stupid idolatry of the conservatives for guns make this a gigantic rotten pot that the US can never solve

The assailant was described by some as being an Asian male. I am familiar with that area. We shop and eat on the same block the shooting occurred. We drive hours from our home to do so because the food is no-kidding authentic, not Chinese American. The Xiaolongbao there are as good as any in Shanghai. Most of the time I am the only round eye in the places we frequent. I have seen little kids point at my hairy arms with wide eyes. Golden Monkey they call me. This is a Chinese majority area and generally low crime and wealthy.

But that area has Tongs and my suspicion is that this is crime related to Asian criminal organizations in the area. Nothing at all to do with MAGA or all that. The LA area has a variety of ethnic crime organizations, and not just Mexican and black gangs. There are some deadly serious Armenian gangs that MS13 generally won't mess with, and the Tongs, but the Tongs do not typically resort to such violence. There are also significant hatreds between Cantonese and Mandarin speakers most non-Mandarin speakers are not aware of. In certain businesses there if you speak Mandarin, or speak English with a Mandarin accent you will never be served. You might even be told bluntly to leave. Let the investigators do their job finding out what happened and why.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. With guns. So let's sell more guns, right?

...right?

I also know of at least one restaurant in the area we are supposed to stay away due to its close ties to the PRC Foreign Ministry. There a photos of Xi Jinping on the walls and it is supposedly a place from the Chinese conduct surveillance. Many businesses are tied to the PRC in various ways, but the Taiwanese and many expats from PRC who hate the CCP resent these businesses. So add that layer to the possibilities for someone to come into conflict with some Chinese run businesses there. The Chinese Better Business Bureau is also reportedly tied to the PRC and used to keep tabs on Chinese business people in the region.

"stop defending the police"...big difference between deFENDing and deFUNDing.

"let them use whatever force they need to bring a situation under control"...this sounds like an advert for a police state.

It amazing that there is no talk in the US about abolishing private gun ownership. Even the most adamant groups just talk about ,"common sense" policies. Seems that the only total solution is to ban private ownership and somehow confiscate 300m + weapons and keep new ones from entering the US (obviously issues with this last activity given the track record of stopping drugs, etc.).

Only in the land of the free ( where any deranged gender at any age can obtain a semi auto) and Home of the Brave ( where the free can attack any kindergarten, elementary and high school, park or public place and kill as many children and people he can. Yeah Nah I crossed the USA of my list of safe places to visit and replaced with Turkmanistan.

Bass4funk: you ask for a solution. Mate the blueprint is there. This place cal Magical Never Never had the same guns laws the USA until one day a nutter went mad with a semi auto and killed 50 citizens the laws changed shortly after, no more mass kill because no more semi automatics. No one give up there guns only the war weapons.

It amazing that there is no talk in the US about abolishing private gun ownership. Even the most adamant groups just talk about ,"common sense" policies. Seems that the only total solution is to ban private ownership and somehow confiscate 300m + weapons and keep new ones from entering the US (obviously issues with this last activity given the track record of stopping drugs, etc.).

That will work as well as prohibition did.

Yeah Nah I crossed the USA of my list of safe places to visit and replaced with Turkmanistan.

And that is your choice, no law against it.

Bass, exactly. But rather than the disingenuous statements of "common sense gun control", be explicit on what it will take to rid the US of regular gun violence. You have to have NO guns which is next to impossible in the US. I also recall the kananagari sword confiscation from Toyotomi Hideyoshi era (since we are all Japanese aficionados) and the purpose of that.

So what should people do? The left have no solution as usual.

Move to Japan.

First of all stop defending the police, that is the worst thing you could do to any society.

Second, put a stop to no cash bail

Third, hire more police, and don’t restrain them, let them use whatever force they need to bring a situation under control.

Fourth, half district attorneys, that will prosecute criminal activity and not push for the shortest sentence.

Fifth, increase the penalty for repeat offenders., And give them lengthy probation if they violate any terms of their probationary. Period.

None of those things will stop mass shootings. Didn’t you notice how most mass shooters have no prior criminal record and own legal firearms?

Let police use whatever force they need? When the police turn up and start shooting how will they know who is a ‘good guy’ and who isn’t?

The solution could have been tougher gun control. It works and has worked in other large developed nations. But notice I said ‘could have’. US is too far gone, decades of lobby money and nothing being done has broken any chance of meaningful gun control. There are just too many guns already.

I truly feel sorry for the majority of Americans who don’t own or want a gun that live in fear daily. It’s a messed up place.

Gun lovers will resist every action to introduce sensible gun laws. They are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Body of 'suspected Chinese Lunar New Year gunman' is found slumped over in white van after 'he shot himself' during intense standoff: Shooter killed 10 and left 10 hospitalized in dance studio bloodbath.

Good thing police were there; otherwise there could have been more casualties.

The scum suspect has been revealed a 73 year old Vietnamese American.

The US is such a dangerous place to be, no matter where you turn.

Rest in Peace to the poor innocent victims.

Glad this incident resolved itself with no further injuries.

Daily life presents a variety of dangers.

Criminal acts, automotive accidents, medical mishaps . . .

Very strange for a 72 year old Asian man (Huu Can Tran) to be the shooter. He was found dead a few miles away with a "self-inflicting" wound. I wouldn't be surprised if gramps got setup.

“The massacre was the nation's fifth mass killing this month”

Sickening, and still a week left. How many next month?

America deja vu.

Another mass shooter who killed himself. Why didn’t a good guy with a gun do it?Come on, step up heroes /s

Move to Japan.

Not everyone wants or needs to move to a conformist society; a lot of people can’t handle it.

None of those things will stop mass shootings.

No, but it will lower the rate. More cops, more hardened sentencing does work, right now California has none of that.

Let police use whatever force they need?

Absolutely.

The solution could have been tougher gun control.

Well, California has strict gun laws, forget the second amendment argument, won’t work. Stop defunding the police and hire more will. Orange County is not out of control, now why is that? Heavy police presence, this is what money buys you, safety. 

I truly feel sorry for the majority of Americans

And that’s why people are fleeing the state, they should, there are safer and better run states without all the headaches California has.

I truly feel sorry for the majority of Americans 

And that’s why people are fleeing the state, they should, there are safer and better run states without all the headaches California has.

What a patriot.

Goobers with guns and an axe to grind.　We are never going to run out of goobers. So we better do something about the guns.

No amount of good guys with guns will stop it.

We cannot even congregate peacefully in public for celibrations (Chinese New Year, New Year, July 4th, to name only a few) without fearing if some idiot with a gun will start killing people.

But for God's sake, don't ask about banning some types of guns, banning their open or concealled carry in public, or require licenses to own or carry them.

I am a four-decade gun owner and this any gun, anywhere, anytime cult of guns is not only NOT who we are traditionally, it is not the law, it is not the popular concensus, and it is a cancer on the Republic.

I am a four-decade gun owner and this any gun, anywhere, anytime cult of guns is not only NOT who we are traditionally, it is not the law, it is not the popular concensus, and it is a cancer on the Republic.

Interesting, so are a fun owner…

Anyway, it’s time for sane people to leave that state, it’s not the tranquil beautiful paradise that it once was.

There is a light that never goes out…

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured/florida-news/content/2021-10-14-watch-florida-ag-announces-website-to-recruit-cops-from-out-of-state/

Oh yeah is the one that Schiff and Schumer among others were already screaming politics about as yet another bigoted hate attack on the AAPI community.

ended about as well as could hope for. Will sadly be quickly forgotten.

Very strange for a 72 year old Asian man (Huu Can Tran) to be the shooter. He was found dead a few miles away with a "self-inflicting" wound. I wouldn't be surprised if gramps got setup.

Bizarre comment.

Do you think Asian people - or older people - cannot be mass killers? Guess what...they can.

Easy access to guns = many more gun deaths, many more innocent lives lost. Period.

The attacker was identified as Huu Can Tran, 72, Vietnamese American.

All his victims were Chinese.

A racially motivated hate crime suspected.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/22/us/monterey-park-california-shooting/index.html

Huu Can Tran, 72, died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said during a news conference Sunday afternoon.

There is a light that never goes out…

https://wflanews.iheart.com/featured/florida-news/content/2021-10-14-watch-florida-ag-announces-website-to-recruit-cops-from-out-of-state/

Lol beaFloridahero.com

You should definitely sign up, what are you doing here? Help the policestate.

You should definitely sign up, what are you doing here? Help the policestate.

That’s alright! Love Florida, but I love Texas more.

That’s alright! Love Florida, but I love Texas more.

So you love Japan more than Florida? That’s alright.

Still, Florida are paying up to a whopping $5,000 to attract new recruits. Up to $5,000 to relocate to a whole new life! Wooooo! That’s sure to attract the cream of the crop.

So you love Japan more than Florida?

But Texas more  

Still, Florida are paying up to a whopping $5,000 to attract new recruits. Up to $5,000 to relocate to a whole new life! Wooooo! That’s sure to attract the cream of the crop.

Oh, I’m fine right where I’m at, wouldn’t trade Texas for Florida.

really great example for whole world.

The rest of the world isn’t much better, or let’s say, depends on who you ask.

The worse mass shooting since last year when the children in Texas were slaughtered.

Again gain again again.

Wasn't Einstein American who used a sentence that would logically make any sane American change his mind about second amendment ?

Only two shot weapon for hunters should exist, like in all without-mass-killings countries.

The worse mass shooting since last year when the children in Texas were slaughtered.

Texas does t have a large Asian community like SoCal. Monterey Park, so I don’t know what the correlation is.

These things happen from time to time.

No use getting obsessed with them.

Asian immigrants are treated ,better in the United States as a whole,than in Japan,they are allowed to establish their ethnic identity in the US and have legal status

Eastman, America is what people make of it,you wonder why million of people, would choose America over Japan

These things happen from time to time. 

No use getting obsessed with them.

They don’t happen where I live.

If one of ‘these things’ happened to someone you care about would you shrug and say the same?

Texas does t have a large Asian community like SoCal. Monterey Park, so I don’t know what the correlation is.

For the uneducated, the correlation is "mass shootings" in a country with the highest rates of all the G7 countries.

More than 600 mass shootings in 2022, nearly double the number recorded four years ago when there were 336.

It's only January and already a mass shooting with 10 dead.

The crim reaper will be busy again this year.

For the uneducated, the correlation is "mass shootings" in a country with the highest rates of all the G7 countries.

More than 600 mass shootings in 2022, nearly double the number recorded four years ago when there were 336.

It's only January and already a mass shooting with 10 dead.

The crim reaper will be busy again this year.

And this has to do with Monterey Park like how?

And this has to do with Monterey Park like how?

The last time I checked it is in America, don't think I'm wrong on that.

The worse mass shooting since last year when an 18-year-old massacred 19 students and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas on May 24 had no experience with firearms before his rampage began. He targeted an elementary school with an active shooter policy that had been deemed adequate but also had a long history of doors propped open.

The 376 cops were unable to defend the children.

So tragic when innocent children are slaughtered.

Bob FosseToday  01:36 pm JST

They don’t happen where I live.

If one of ‘these things’ happened to someone you care about would you shrug and say the same?

So how come you are getting obsessed with something happening in America, when you are neither a citizen of, nor living in the US?

The dead and injured were Americans first with Asian ethnicity.

All the people commenting on gun control and saying goodbye to guns in America... Think your ideas through and through, weigh them against realistic implementation in a country with hundreds of thousands , if not millions, of guns, and then try some deeper soul search before spewing diatribes.

Calling for gun control and ban on guns out of the bat it's as stupid as a parent confiscating toys when his kids throw them at each other in a fight. Surely, having something to throw at each other made possible the "throwing", but toys in themselves are not the problem (granted guns are not just toys), but isn't it the issue WHY did they not only threw them at themselves, but MOST importantly WHY they thought it was OKAY to do so, and how to make them understand and behave in a way that THAT is not even a thought.

For all the mass shootings, 600 or so, there is NEVER a follow up on the deep causes, why they did it, how they planned it, why they thought it was something they would do, where did the guns came from!!! (remember the kid who opened fire at his high school, a high school kid living with his not so well to do grandparents with weapons totaling up to hundreds of thousand of dollars, form where?? how?? ), and/or statistics about how many are performed by whites, blacks, hispanics, single, mentally ill, etc.. are all out kept out, and real analysis done.

Current cancel, intolerant culture, and most individualistic, solitary, also plays a role, immigrants from 3rd world countries don't have the same values, morals and regard for life and society as real Americans, also bad guys have weapons everywhere, even in a strict gun law country as Japan, why do you think is called "gun trafficking"?

SO it's no easy thing.

First get wokeism out of your minds and schools. Teach people to be real Americans. Bring back teaching morals, bring back morality and spirituality, Teach people to be strong wiled, not to be snowflakes, curtail immigration to only allow the right people, based on merit and benefit for your country. Stop buying drugs!!! and using them!! You promote only MORE gun violence not only in the US, but all throughout Mexico and some of Latin America for production and distribution.

The question is can you and are you willing to do this??

and Why do all Biden policies point to increase in conditions that promote gun violence: zero immigration control, lax prosecution, less policing, less moral education or zero, more emphasis on emotional woke than self control and resilience??

Just trying to rip the toys away will not end violence. In Japan we know well, people will use knives, cars, fires.

Surely it doesn't reach "mass shooting" level of death every time, but my point is violence can happen with or without guns. Because the causes are STILL there.

More than one million Americans killed by gun homicide since the assassination of Lennon.

The last time I checked it is in America, don't think I'm wrong on that.

G7? Monterey Park..

The dead and injured were Americans first with Asian ethnicity.

Ok, now we are back on track.

American need to be ashamed of their mass killings.

so now that we have taken the usual liberal detours to Florida and Texas, how could this have happened in California? They have laws!

American need to be ashamed of their mass killings

No, the politicians that made it unsafe for the people with their radical policies should be ashamed!

No, the politicians that made it unsafe for the people with their radical policies should be ashamed!

Do you mean like in Uvalde, Texas?

Do you mean like in Uvalde, Texas?

where a cowardly Chief of Police refused to enter the school for at least an hour while it was being shot up?

If one of ‘these things’ happened to someone you care about would you shrug and say the same?

So how come you are getting obsessed with something happening in America, when you are neither a citizen of, nor living in the US?

Ah, the "You're not American. Mind your own business" troupe....

As has been pointed out many times before, this is a public thread available to all.

And one would have to be a real tool to not care about human suffering because it didn't happen in one's own location.

So how come you are getting obsessed with something happening in America, when you are neither a citizen of, nor living in the US?

I wondered what had happened to painkiller logg. Welcome back.

The Firearm Mortality by State

Higher in Texas than in California.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Current cancel, intolerant culture, and most individualistic, solitary, also plays a role, immigrants from 3rd world countries don't have the same values, morals and regard for life and society as real Americans, also bad guys have weapons everywhere, even in a strict gun law country as Japan, why do you think is called "gun trafficking"?

Other countries have immigrants, mental illness and what you would call ‘wokeism’.

But they don’t have mass shootings every week.

Because the causes are STILL there.

Always have been, always will be. Just worse when guns are available.

Yes, it is that simple. But as I’ve said again and again the US can’t be fixed. Ship sailed on common sense laws decades ago.

so now that we have taken the usual liberal detours to Florida and Texas, how could this have happened in California? They have laws!

Bass started that detour. Read up.

 am far from anti-America.

My parents were Americans, my family is American and I also own a condo there.

Yes, I've seen that line from another Anti American bigot named Zichi.

You enjoy the hospitality, the weather and all the friendship thrown your way, but as soon as the door is shut;

you slag them off to no end.

The worst type of ungrateful guest.

None of my American family own guns just like 60% of all Americans.

It is often the case that the posters on here who aren’t American know more about The US, its laws and its culture than some of the Americans posting here who just post about which US states they hate and then get thin skinned about criticism of The US.

Go figure.

Not realistic to expect good guys to gun down the bad guys.

Most probably don't carry.

All politicians who do nothing to introduce sensible gun laws are responsible.

SilkanvilToday  02:46 pm JST

wallaceToday  02:41 pm JST

None of my American family own guns just like 60% of all Americans.

Zichi used to make claims about having an American family.

Welcome back.

Lol trying hard to change direction of discussion.

I guess it's natural

https://www.kcra.com/article/newsom-statement-violent-crime-higher-texas-than-california-misleading-heres-why/38489825

When you look at robberies specifically — which is really what the governor was first asked about — you see California's robbery rate is consistently much higher than Texas', which is at least 20 more robberies per 100,000 people.

Bingo

All republican supporters on this forum blame all the mass shootings on the liberals who own fewer guns.

you been slagging on America since before 8am its nearly 3 now.

I’ve been correcting misinformation and giving my opinion.

If you don’t like it ignore it. Don’t let it bother you.

All republican supporters on this forum blame all the mass shootings on the liberals who own fewer guns.

No, in California’s case, the liberal agenda, and the radical progressive policies are what has destroyed one of the most beautiful, magnificent in greatest states in the entire United States. This is why people are fleeing.

A 72 year old Asian dude shoots up a ballroom of all places with a handgun that had a very large extended magazine, then gets jumped and disarmed trying to shoot up another ballroom. Weird to say the least.

14 posts in less than 2 hours. You aren’t American either, correct?

It’s sad that this is all you have.

From early in the thread posters proclaimed their frustration at seeing this news again and again.

Then some American posters blamed the half of America they don’t like.

Then non Americans said ‘yeah America is messed up’

Then those same American posters got offended and said ‘you’re not American, how dare you’

It’s a tragic comedy.

Californians are not "fleeing" the state.

“Since 2010, about 7.5 million people moved from California to other states, while only 5.8 million people moved to California from other parts of the country.

California lost about 300,000 residents from Jan. 1, 2020, to July 1, 2021, mainly due to residents moving, an increase in deaths, and international migration, PPIC reported.

The state’s high cost of living (housing in particular) has been a major cause of the so-called California exodus.

About 437,275 people from other states and countries moved to California in 2020, according to the Orange County Register.

https://ktla.com/news/california/with-people-leaving-the-state-is-californias-population-shrinking/

Californians are not "fleeing" the state.

Yeah, the numbers say different

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/11/californians-working-from-home-are-moving-to-mexico-amid-inflation.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-blue-state-exodus-census-data-red-blue-lockdowns-pandemic-florida-california-economy-progressive-11671993469

No, in California’s case, the liberal agenda, and the radical progressive policies are what has destroyed one of the most beautiful, magnificent in greatest states in the entire United States.

California just bumped Germany off the number 4 spot for GDP. Failed my aching backside. It is not a failure when fully have the venture capital invested in the US is invested in California and the state has the worlds number 4 GDP. California has half the population of Germany but out produces them. I think you will find most of us who stayed and live in California do not want our state to become anything even a little bit like Texas or even Arizona. The truth is, to steal a lyric from Steely Dan, in the land of milk and honey you must put them on the table. People work hard and create great wealth, but California rewards innovation and forward thinking. Most of bitter people leaving couldn't hack it here, stuck in the last century with their thinking, habits and many bigotries. Go away. Make room for more creative people who will build even greater wealth. And don't cry when you can't afford to return. You had a chance here and blew it.

Texas and Florida make up about 15% of the U.S. population but accounted for 70% of its population growth this past year. That’s one of the revealing facts in the Census Bureau’s annual assessment of U.S. migration released last week. The biggest news is that the exodus from progressive-led states hasn’t slowed even as Covid lockdowns eased.

California (343,230), New York (299,557) and Illinois (141,656) lost the most residents to other states, but New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Oregon, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Louisiana were also big losers. Where are all these folks moving? 

Mostly to states with lower taxes, more affordable housing and a higher standard of living. Florida drew the most newcomers (318,855), followed by Texas (230,961), North Carolina (99,796), South Carolina (84,030), Tennessee (81,646), Georgia (81,406) and Arizona (70,984). More people moved to West Virginia than left for the first time in a decade.

wallaceToday  03:10 pm JST

Californians are not "fleeing" the state.

Next you're going to tell everyone you have a Japanese name.

California rewards innovation and forward thinking. Most of bitter people leaving couldn't hack it here, stuck in the last century with their thinking, habits and many bigotries. Go away. Make room for more creative people who will build even greater wealth. And don't cry when you can't afford to return. You had a chance here and blew it.

Ok, you make good excuses for the Rich, but the middle-class see a differently, and they’re being crushed, and those people don’t want to pay for the poor, and is more and more illegals to go into the state, middle-class people have less less income to work with, and have to pay more in taxes, that’s crazy so while you’re right, the people they have the most money can I have a good life in California, but the majority of people aren’t rich, and this is the reason why again as per the stats, why the middle-class are leaving, they want to lead to violence, they want to leave the higher taxes, they want to leave the congestion, those are the real reasons

This kinda $&#t happens so often, yet youd still have a bunch of fools who still want to have the freedom to go out and easily buy a weapon not fit for the mentally unstable! But hey, as Childish Gambino said......"This is America!"

California remains the wealthiest state with a GDP greater than most countries. $3.63 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2022.

My family is very happy there. Log house up in the mountains.

You cannot drive a car without a license and test but you can buy a gun without those.

And a funny statistic is that most of the incoming new residents in California come from New York. Another funny statistic is that the tax burden in California, meaning public revenues from all sources at all levels of government is within less than 1% of the national average. When you study tax burdens you discover that every state takes nearly the same amount of their residents incomes but each state has a different menu of taxes to accomplish this. California has higher income taxes but the lowest effective property taxes in the US. The sales tax rate looks high but unlike other states California doesn't tax labor, services or rent (Florida applies sales taxes to rent, as a land lord I can't imagine the paperwork that entails).

A buddy just moved to Dallas and bought a new house that cost as much as mine. He was bragging about not having to pay income tax, but his property taxes alone were more than my combined property and state income tax. What a deal! And unlike California, his property taxes will go up as his property value goes up in the same proportion. In California, my assessed value can only rise a maximum of 2% per year even as my property value appreciates at more than double that rate. The longer I own the better it gets.

The grass always looks greener until you find out what it's fertilized with.

California remains the wealthiest state with a GDP greater than most countries. $3.63 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2022.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with a growing segment of middlclass Americans that are leaving the State,

My family is very happy there. Log house up in the mountains.

Good, the vast majority of middle class are not.

I meant to say revenues from all sources as a proportion of income in describing the tax burden. My mind got ahead of my fingers. Apologies.

"stop defending the police" rather than " defunding" made my day.

Freudian slip perhaps.

And a funny statistic is that most of the incoming new residents in California come from New York. Another funny statistic is that the tax burden in California, meaning public revenues from all sources at all levels of government is within less than 1% of the national average. When you study tax burdens you discover that every state takes nearly the same amount of their residents incomes but each state has a different menu of taxes to accomplish this. California has higher income taxes but the lowest effective property taxes in the US. The sales tax rate looks high but unlike other states California doesn't tax labor, services or rent (Florida applies sales taxes to rent, as a land lord I can't imagine the paperwork that entails). 

And yet, the flow continues

A buddy just moved to Dallas and bought a new house that cost as much as mine. He was bragging about not having to pay income tax, but his property taxes alone were more than my combined property and state income tax. What a deal! And unlike California, his property taxes will go up as his property value goes up in the same proportion. In California, my assessed value can only rise a maximum of 2% per year even as my property value appreciates at more than double that rate. The longer I own the better it gets. 

It’s not stopping people from clean California and leaving the radical policies that are completely devastating peoples lives

The grass always looks greener until you find out what it's fertilized with.

So far it’s bright green outside of California

She took a picture of the activity outside the studio to send to relatives and friends in China "to let them know how crazy the U.S. is becoming with all these mass shootings, even in the New Year... The latest violence comes two months after five people were killed at a Colorado Springs nightclub.

Tragic. Maybe preventable, maybe not.

But, the population of the US is now over 330,000,000. The odds of being a victim in such a shooting are very small. You don’t want to be the statistic, but that hasn’t kept any one out of clubs yet.

but of course you would think you do. Matches the psych profile.

This is just a completely bizarre statement.

Of course I know more than some Japanese about Japan. I’ve lived here longer than a large percentage of the Japanese population who were born after I arrived.

I know a lot about certain aspects of Japan that many Japanese have never heard about.

You could make the same claim for any country in the world.

Yes, you didn’t even bother to say sometimes, you went biiiiig with “often”.

so your claiM is that most of the time non-American posters know more than Americans about….America. What a statement steeped in complete and total arrogance.

“sometimes”, you could wiggle out of that. But “often”? Nope.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with a growing segment of middlclass Americans that are leaving the State,

They're non productive. Stuck in their 20th century ways. with all their 20th century bigotries and job skills. Let them go live someplace backwards in the south where with others who share their detestable bigotries, toils in factories and their idiotic love of firearms. Make room for more creative people.

Yes, you didn’t even bother to say sometimes, you went biiiiig with “often”. 

so your claiM is that most of the time non-Americanposters know more than Americans about….America. What a statement steeped in complete and total arrogance. 

“sometimes”, you could wiggle out of that. But “often”? Nope.

Hmmmmm.

Again I ask, how did the Florida teenage shooter, Nikolas Cruz got weapons totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars in cost?? If he or his family had had access to that real kind of money, would he had really had the need to do what he did??

These are the questions that always remain unanswered. It's just "gunman massshoots some people somewhere"! okay, but it's not like weapons are cheap and or readily available to anyone, perhaps gun laws are lax or whatnot, but were is the analysis of WHAT went actually wrong in EACH case??? There is ZERO analysis of cause and what enabled the mentally unstable person to access guns. That is in itself troubling and dubious.

They're non productive. Stuck in their 20th century ways. with all their 20th century bigotries and job skills. Let them go live someplace backwards in the south where with others who share their detestable bigotries, toils in factories and their idiotic love of firearms. Make room for more creative people.

Ahhh so that’s why the South is growing…

Texas ranked first in overall population growth (470,708), followed by Florida (416,754), North Carolina (133,088), Georgia (124,847), Arizona (94,320), South Carolina (89,368), Tennessee (82,988), Washington (45,041), Utah (41,687) and Idaho (34,719).

But yeah, let them go to the South where Freedom still rules Supreme.

For California much of the US is just a big boat anchor holding the state back from greatness. Rural states shove 19th century laws down our throats trying to ties us down to a nostalgic past that wasn't so nice if you are honest when the future is where California needs to be. The world is always about change. You either get ahead or get buried. California has been a leader but has done so despite the best efforts of the backwards states to chain us to their misery, bigotries and rigid thinking.

but were is the analysis of WHAT went actually wrong in EACH case???

Exactly. best post of the day, easily.

the main thing I guess is that most of the shooters end up dead and the entire thing just gets filed away for the next left vs right argument, if it applies.

this one has no political value and shooter is dead so will just be forgotten. Nothing will be learned from it. What a shame.

For California much of the US is just a big boat anchor holding the state back from greatness.

taxes, and a radical, progressive policies are what’s holding California back

Rural states shove 19th century laws down our throats trying to ties us down to a nostalgic past

That’s Newsom doing that all on his own. You think people want to go down on lockdown again? You think it’s ok for a transgender man to have the right to shower with biological born women?

that wasn't so nice if you are honest when the future is where California needs to be.

More taxes and stagnation. How’s the Highspeed rail coming along,

The world is always about change. You either get ahead or get buried.

Speaking of the highspeed rail…

California has been a leader but has done so despite the best efforts of the backwards states to chain us to their misery, bigotries and rigid thinking.

As you said, “has been” those days are long gone.

this one has no political value and shooter is dead so will just be forgotten. Nothing will be learned from it. What a shame.

What was learned from the hundreds of mass shootings in 2022?