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Democratic organizations inciting widespread rioting and then calling for the elimination or cutback of police forces is got to be the most boneheaded political strategy of all time.

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Democratic organizations inciting widespread rioting and then calling for the elimination or cutback of police forces is got to be the most boneheaded political strategy of all time.

This is principally in your head

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A full range of new jobs in security fields at all levels in all fields, in all industries will boost employment figures. Another growth industry will be surveillance: expect even more use of A1 to track us.

Expect to see governments outsource local policing to private security firms. Next step robocops: expect to see more lethal autonomous weapons systems used by security forces.

A dystopian future unless people who favor democracies are able to more strongly oppose the global spread of authoritarian regimes.

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"Call me old-fashioned. I think you may actually want a police officer to stop a criminal and arrest him before we try to work through his feelings," McConnell said.

Call me old fashioned, but I think you actually want to prevent a person from becoming a principal, and steer them away from the path of crime, to give them the abilities and opportunities to be more than a low-wage dead-end job piece of meat in the corporate grinder. To work and educate them to allow them to develop their own feelings and develop their own minds to their fullest....

then you won't need so many police officers.

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"We have confused having safe communities with hiring more cops ... when in fact the real way to achieve safe and healthy communities is to invest in these communities," said Senator Kamala Harris, seen as a potential running mate to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

And here we go... Mo' money mo' money mo' money. As if these neighborhoods aren't already drowning in millions that continue to be mishandled by democrats. If you notice, when it comes to a peaceful and safe society, dems lay the whole responsibility at the feet of the police. No where, ever, do they promote the idea that we live in a society and a social contract exists. We have a responsibility to follow the laws, not commit crimes, and respect our fellow citizens. Dems will never hold their constituents responsible for their end 9f the bargain. More crime? More money. Failing schools? More money. Mo' money mo' money mo' money. You'll never hear a democrat suggest personal responsibility. And that's why they'll never hear me say yes.

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Why in the world do cities that get rid of their police forces need police reform? The question is will the social workers be given bullet proof vests and can they be sued for screwing up and causing someone to kill someone or themselves?

I do like the idea of making officers more directly responsible for their actions. This will no doubt result in a large decrease in the number and quality of the people that will wear the uniform. If you are smart why risk being hung out to dry by a politician when ordered to do a job that is at times nearly impossible and akin to warfare? In turn the police should also be allowed to sue in civil court for any injuries they receive in the process of carrying out their responsibilities. It is likewise imperative that political officials also be help liable for failures. They have no problem hiding behind immunity - why should they alway be let off the hook? The cops are on the front lines and deal directly with the underbelly of society. They shouldn't have to go down by themselves if they are put in an untenable situation.

The reality is that the police are the scape goats for a failed society and culture. Police are no different from any other occupation. They are mostly good but there are going to be bad ones. How can there some troubled or messed individuals among the 800,000 police in America today? They don't represent all police just as the looters don't represent all of the protestors.

I think too many expect police to be emotionless robots. Some are bad people while others become scarred by the horrible things that they see day in and day out and by how they can be treated. Imagine being a rookie cop going into Minneapolis today? You want to do good but a large portion of the population hates you for no other reason than that you wear a badge. He are subject to be run over or getting knifed in the neck without warning. If you defund the police in Minneapolis a large number of the cops would probably feel relieved that their hellish existence is over.

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If you notice, when it comes to a peaceful and safe society, dems lay the whole responsibility at the feet of the police. 

Stopped reading at '...the whole responsibility...'. Once more another one pole or its opposite frame, an approach to discussion further weakened by attributing those words to imagined beings recognized only by the speaker.

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The reality is that the police are the scape goats for a failed society and culture.

A 'reality'? If the point is the above opinion, police are the scape goats for a failed society and culture reflects a 'reality' then it's a reality denying complexity or maybe an inability to try to understand the complexity of 'the problems of existence'. A reality to some, perhaps, especially those that for whatever reason can only present arguments using oversimplifications. But I know, KISS

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Democratic organizations inciting widespread rioting

No they're not.

Let's keep it to what is actually happening, rather than hyperbole. It doesn't help.

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then it's a reality denying complexity or maybe an inability to try to understand the complexity of 'the problems of existence'. 

Oh, I got it. Moral relativism. I'm poor, so that gives me the right to rob a lady coming from the grocery store. Very complex. Got it.

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Mr Nodall: You'll never hear a democrat suggest personal responsibility. And that's why they'll never hear me say yes.

Personal responsibility is flat out racist. Free education, free lunches, free medical care (Medicaid), welfare payments, multitudinous social programs costing trillions - it's not enough and never will be. $23 trillion in debt and out it goes as far as the eye can see. No one is doing anything about it.

The American culture is broken. It's not just black citizens either. White out of wed lock births is as high now as it was for black citizens 40 years ago. The direction of American culture is clear - downhill. I am beginning to believe the Left when they say nothing has improved since the 1960s. But it's their fault - they are completely against personal responsibility - they are for socialized responsibility. It's not anyones fault - it's societies fault. If it's societies fault then no one is responsible for continued failures. The only accountability that is allowed is for those that are of the same race as the colonizers that brought slavery to America and ruined the lives of the native peoples. They are guilty of the sins of their fathers. Check out the Youtube videos of white Progressives willingly putting themselves through Maoist re-education. Kneeling before random black people asking for forgiveness for their historical crimes. Drew Brees was the latest to be forced to wear the Maoist dunce cap for the political crime of loving his country. It's startling to see a society implode in real time.

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Whatever these local governments do, please don't defund the police. That would be like giving free passes or get of jail free cards to all of the would-be killers, arsonists and looters out there. Like throwing gasoline on a fire.

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trillions - it's not enough and never will be.

That's right. Because it's not about equality. America has the most muti-cultural and accepting society in the world. Of course there are instances; but on the whole...

Laws exist prohibiting discrimination. Everyone has equal opportunity. But the fight for "equality" will continue for eternity. Because being a victim has power. Like you said: free this, free that, free everything. They'll never give that up.

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Why in the world do cities that get rid of their police forces need police reform?

Why would cities get rid of their police? I haven't seen anyone calling for that.

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Police unions are a big part of the problem, and I hugely support unions. But they are not a normal union - they defend any officer no matter what he's done. They are a government union. There should be a law restricting them to negotiate pay and benefits, nothing else - not legal representation or other non-typical issues. If a police officer needs legal representation, that's his problem. 

They think they are immune, it is clear - they commit murder while the cameras are rolling.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-police-unions-became-such-powerful-opponents-to-reform-efforts/ar-BB158cco

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A full range of new jobs in security fields at all levels in all fields, in all industries will boost employment figures. Another growth industry will be surveillance: expect even more use of A1 to track us. 

Watch the crime rate skyrocket. Criminals across the country should rejoice.

Expect to see governments outsource local policing to private security firms. Next step robocops: expect to see more lethal autonomous weapons systems used by security forces. 

All the rich elite liberals will have the best security and watch gun sales go through the roof. If you’re a gun dealer, you will make bank.

A dystopian future unless people who favor democracies are able to more strongly oppose the global spread of authoritarian regimes.

A lawless country even Kurt Russell can’t save.

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hen it's a reality denying complexity or maybe an inability to try to understand the complexity of 'the problems of existence'. 

MrnoidallOh, I got it. Moral relativism. I'm poor, so that gives me the right to rob a lady coming from the grocery store. Very complex. Got it.

Once again a distorted twist of what was written using the voice of imaginary beings.

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The extremists are going to come at the idea of police reform the same way the go at gun control whereby any change at all whatsoever is not only unreasonable, it’s literally a single step to the eternal downfall of America and anything it has ever stood for.

Just like they did with health care.

They’ve dropped any pretence of reasonability. Pure and utter refusal to consider any position other than their own.

It’s time to recognize that these people are not only useless, they’re destructive.

We need to stop pretending like their unreasoning stances hold value.

Instead we need to focus on the voices of the reasonable. The non-extremists. Those that see an issue and feel strongly about one side, but are willing to accept that there is another side, and work together to find something to benefit everyone.

Extremist opinions are useless. Extremist opinions are harmful to society.

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Once again a distorted twist of what was written using the voice of imaginary beings.

The right does like to misrepresent what was said into an absurd example which they then rail against.

It’s their way of avoiding the lack of an debate against the point that was actually raised.

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The extremists are going to come at the idea of police reform the same way the go at gun control whereby any change at all whatsoever is not only unreasonable, it’s literally a single step to the eternal downfall of America and anything it has ever stood for. 

If the thugs don’t want policing in their communities could luck to them and thank God for the 2nd amendment.

Just like they did with health care.

They’ve dropped any pretence of reasonability. Pure and utter refusal to consider any position other than their own. 

Ok, so Democrats want people to pay for healthcare they can’t afford and be powerless to protect themselves, the socialists plot thickens.

It’s time to recognize that these people are not only useless, they’re destructive. 

We need to stop pretending like their unreasoning stances hold value.

Since I was 19 Democrats have always been in my State a destructive force and now it’s expanding to other lost liberal States.

Instead we need to focus on the voices of the reasonable. The non-extremists. Those that see an issue and feel strongly about one side, but are willing to accept that there is another side, and work together to find something to benefit everyone. 

It’s definitely not Democrats and it’s definitely not rioters, looters and thugs that are advocating for a free reign and free for all. But yes, these extremists are destructive to our nation. God help us all.

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Check out the Youtube videos of white Progressives willingly putting themselves through Maoist re-education.

And as long as youtube videos showing one extreme are mentioned, check out those videos showing white supremacists carrying nazi and confederate gear and idolizing Hitler.

It's good to acknowledge the full spectrums of beliefs, unless only the poles are mentioned while ignoring the middle points.

But then partisan extremists tend to only consider the extremes.

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More community based police forces with all local people.

I agree with that, I think there should be more community base policing. But I do not believe defunding the police is the answer.

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And as long as youtube videos showing one extreme are mentioned, check out those videos showing white supremacists carrying nazi and confederate gear and idolizing Hitler. 

Check out the videos of ANTIFA and the violence and destruction they cause worldwide.

It's good to acknowledge the full spectrums of beliefs, unless only the poles are mentioned while ignoring the middle points. 

Depends....

But then partisan extremists tend to only consider the extremes.

Yes.

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Check out the videos of ANTIFA and the violence and destruction they cause worldwide.

I'll watch them after I get through this mountain of videos of white supramacist Trump supporters driving their cars through crowds of people.

Man Who Plowed Car Into Virginia Protestors Is A Klu Klux Klan Leader

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/man-who-plowed-car-into-virginia-protestors-is-a-klu-klux-klan-leader/

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@PTownsend: A 'reality'? If the point is the above opinion, police are the scape goats for a failed society and culture reflects a 'reality' then it's a reality denying complexity or maybe an inability to try to understand the complexity of 'the problems of existence'. 

OK then, who are the other scape goats? Could it be the Progressives that refuse to take responsibility for the war zones that exist in America’s cities? 80 people were shot last weekend in Detroit city alone. Baghdad is safer

I did not say the problem wasn’t complex - you are not comprehending what I wrote - you are assuming what I mean because I have a different opinion.

Who are the various people, groups, organizations, and institutions in America’s large urban cities that are responsible for the carnage? The Klan? I didn’t see any white robes among the rioters. The aryan nation? Nope - didn’t see any nazi flags or skin head looking dudes in leather jackets. I did see antifa graffiti. The justice department announced arrests today of some of those hooligans.

Who is to blame for the horrible conditions in this Democrat run cities?

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The Klan? I didn’t see any white robes among the rioters.

The robe makes it too hard to drive through people:

Man Who Plowed Car Into Virginia Protestors Is A Klu Klux Klan Leader

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/man-who-plowed-car-into-virginia-protestors-is-a-klu-klux-klan-leader/

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What it comes down to is that Republicans are extremely poor at running big cities, because they are so fiscally irresponsible. This has led to the overwhelming majority of big cities to be in Democratic control. The problems with violence are across the country, as a result of extremist republican policies over the past 40 years. This is not a Democratic city problem, it is an America problem. But the extremists are extreme, so they will never admit that any of their policies may have even been a bad idea, much less destructive. So as always, they sidestep discussion on the issue with some talking point. For this issue, their debate jiu-jitsu says 'if they start talking about violence, blame it on democratic run cities. Then you don't have to address the issue'.

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Man Who Plowed Car Into Virginia Protestors Is A Klu Klux Klan Leader

Okay I had to up vote you on that - you found one.

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Anyone care to comment on why there are a bunch of old white Democrats on TV wearing scarves from Ghana and kneeling while claiming to be doing police reform in the USA? Disgusting pandering for votes and cultural appropriation.

I wonder if these old white folks plan to add Wakanda to any legislation? I bet half of them think it a real place.

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what do you think "defund and abolish" the police means?

Plan on arguing that "abolish" doesnt mean "get rid of"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/minneapolis-police-abolish.html

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Reading Radley Balko's book is all a literate person needs in order to understand the policing problem that has become a plague on the poor and minorities in "the land of the free", and then what must be done to fix the fascistic mentality that is deeply rooted in the blue psyche. People are demanding "defund", yes, but DEMILITARIZE (equipment, training, tactics and mentality) is the only real solution to cure the metastasizing cancer of what is becoming a police state and restore to health COMMUNITY POLICING that defines any civilized society.

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what do you think "defund and abolish" the police means?

Plan on arguing that "abolish" doesnt mean "get rid of"?

I read that article, the only people pushing abolishment in that article are unnamed protestors.

Got anyone of any substance? You people hate anonymous sources, yet you just posted an article quoting anonymous protestors.

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even Biden was smart enough to back away from "defund the police". Well once he saw polling that it only has like 16% support.

I still want to know why Chuck Schumer is wearing a Ghanian scarf and kneeling. But we all know why, I just want to hear someone say it.

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But we all know why, I just want to hear someone say it.

'We'? I'm not one of your 'we'. I actually have no clue, but will wait to read someone with credibility explain why they think he's doing so. Or are you just going off topic again hoping to be the last poster on the thread before it's shut down.

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The city council of Minneapolis voted to do so. Do you need their names?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/07/minneapolis-votes-to-disband-police-department/#4e1bb6985274

Got anyone of any substance? You people hate anonymous sources, yet you just posted an article quoting anonymous protestors.

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I still want to know why Chuck Schumer is wearing a Ghanian scarf and kneeling

Pandering to black voters comes to mind. Well, he has to do something to get votes for Biden, who in 40 years did nothing for blacks while Trump, in 3 years, got black unemployment down to a record low.

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even Biden was smart enough to back away from "defund the police". Well once he saw polling that it only has like 16% support.

Exactly. After four years of a divisive extremist president who only caters to a select minority of the population, Biden is attempting to do what presidents used to do - find a way to bring the people together. That means not taking on extremist positions that alienate those on the other team who may have valid concerns.

And you deride it. go figure.

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"Call me old-fashioned. I think you may actually want a police officer to stop a criminal and arrest him before we try to work through his feelings," McConnell said.

Call me a pragmatist who ignores hyperbolae and reads the data to make their own decisions. If McConnell is going to make this an argument that any reduced funding will result in less effective officers, then the question is fair to ask - just how effective are they with their current levels of funding? The 2017 numbers from the US FBI prove one thing - they aren't effective at all, and would be considered as failing by most metrics of performance.

When you take a look at all of the cleared cases by the US police in 2017 by the US FBI, the numbers are pretty lousy (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/clearances). A cleared case means - an offense that was opened by authorities, an investigation occurred, and charges are filed against the accused - basically the cops solved the case and it's ready for trial adjudication by a judge. In 2017 only 61% of homicide, and 30% of robberies in the US were cleared for trail adjudication. I know if I was only putting out 30% or 61% efficiency, my boss would quickly inform me my career is toast, and to not let the doorknob hit me on the way out.

What is needed is to completely retool and rethink the way the US uses it's police force from the top down. Accountability and liability of actions, elimination of police immunity, confiscation of personal property without due process, and being bound by the same covenant of social rules all folks in the US are held to, are just some actions that need to take place. Otherwise, it's a continuation of the the shampoo algorithm.

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The city council of Minneapolis voted to do so.

That article does not support your claim that the council of Minneapolis voted to abolish the police.

What I'm not sure is if you made the claim, and posted an article that didn't support it without realizing that, or in an attempt to deflect from the being wrong in the first place.

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Totally on topic, They are kneeling to show their support for police reform in America and in honor of George Floyd.

Democrats in the House and Senate decided to wear African patterned cloth and take a knee for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in honor of George Floyd.

Just no one understands why they chose this attire to support American black people. Is this their white view of who black Americans are?

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what does "disband" mean? Is it so different from abolish? Fine they voted to disband the police, meaning they wont have police anymore.

That article does not support your claim that the council of Minneapolis voted to abolish the police.

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The 134-page bill would take numerous steps, including allowing victims of misconduct to sue police for damages, ban chokeholds, require the use of body cameras by federal law enforcement officers, restrict lethal force, and facilitate independent investigations of police departments that show patterns of misconduct.

So which parts do Trump fans have a problem with?

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also called: "cultural appropriation" or "pandering". As these people are white.

Next thing you know Biden will show up at a black church and preach about "putt'in ya'll back in chains" with a fake southern accent. Apparently the Dems are already doing that in Progressive cities all over America. The cop in Minneapolis had George Floyd handcuffed at the time he killed him.

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https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/after-vote-to-abolish-minneapolis-police-groups-offer-reform-20200609-p550nl.html

"After vote to abolish Minneapolis police, groups offer reform"

Happy now? abolish, dismantle, disband. defund, whatever. The intent is all the same. No police in that city.

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what does "disband" mean? Is it so different from abolish? Fine they voted to disband the police, meaning they wont have police anymore.

No, your claim that they will not have police anymore is not supported by the contents of the article you provided. They voted to disband the current police force. It doesn't say anything about abolishing police altogether.

This is two incorrect claims you have made based on the article you linked to. Did you read it, and just not understand what you read? Or did you not bother to read it?

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Modern political campaign, the electorate will differentiate the need to split between reforming law enforcement agencies, and there constitution right for legislation to protect peoples right for Law and Order.

That is legislation that is tough on crime, and the need for a strict criminal justice system, that demands/commands respect.  

This is paramount in relation to property and violent crime.

There is a hint the Congressional Democrats, are failing to unite behind a common policy agenda. Mistaking ideological beliefs in providing a system for social justice at the expense of the need for peace and discipline in providing safe communities.

President Trump campaign team will be all over this like a rash.

House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy took to Twitter to showcase Republican support for police, saying: "Democrats want to defund you, but Republicans will never turn our backs on you."

This is just for starters.

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Pandering to black voters comes to mind. Well, he has to do something to get votes for Biden, who in 40 years did nothing for blacks while Trump, in 3 years, got black unemployment down to a record low.

Dang straight - just look at all the things Donald Trump has done for black Americans...

Gave known civil rights icon Rush Limbaugh the nations' highest civilian honor, the Medal of Freedom - the same guy that called President Obama a "Halfrican American", and said to a female black caller; "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back"...

https://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

Said of Neo-Nazi's and white supremacists; "There are very fine people, on both sides"....

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/

Gets support from another civil rights icon, and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, who said; “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk

Did his best to discriminate against Black Americans in his apartment complexes in NY in the 70's...

https://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs/public/FH-NY-0024-0034.pdf

Just look at that record of supporting Black Americans - they'll vote for him in record numbers...

Next, we'll outline all the reasons Latin Americans will vote for Trump since he called Mexicans "rapists"...

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Corrupt, killer cops are the ones who have incited these protests and some rioting. Don't blame Democrats. It's no surprise people are very angry. After all, it's the people who pay the police salaries.

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bass: Check out the videos of ANTIFA

Racially-motivated violent extremists elevated to "national threat priority," FBI director says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racially-motivated-violent-extremism-isis-national-threat-priority-fbi-director-christopher-wray/

The FBI has elevated its assessment of the threat posed by racially-motivated violent extremists in the U.S. to a "national threat priority" for fiscal year 2020, FBI director Christopher Wray said Wednesday. He said the FBI is placing the risk of violence from such groups "on the same footing" as threats posed to the country by foreign terrorist organizations such as ISIS and its sympathizers.

Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said.

Racially-motivated violent extremists were the primary source of ideologically-motivated violence in 2018 and 2019 and have been considered the most lethal of all domestic extremists since 2001, Wray said in a statement Wednesday. 

(end)

When the FBI puts Antifa on the same level, let me know.

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Unfortunately for your story, Biden has his own racist comments/actions too. 1994 Crime bill, as a big one.

Just look at that record of supporting Black Americans - they'll vote for him in record numbers...

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The tsunami of protests is beginning to look like another tipping point in the history of the republic. No amount of Trumpspeak and government gaslighting about antifa, leftists, looters, radicals and rioters can fool our "lying eyes". Everybody knows "the fish rots from the head" down and the color of the maggo/ats is unmistakable.

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Unfortunately for your story, Biden has his own racist comments/actions too. 1994 Crime bill, as a big one.

Yeah, it was a horrible bill.

But between supporting Biden, who supported that bill, but nevertheless sees very strong support from the black community, and Trump, who has shown in this time of racial division that he is unable to bring people together...

Well the choice is clear. And we know you think it's Trump.

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kicked the mayor right out of the gathering, so embarrasing.

Minneapolis mayor booed by protesters after refusing to defund and abolish police

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/minneapolis-mayor-police-abolition/index.html

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I'll watch them after I get through this mountain of videos of white supramacist Trump supporters driving their cars through crowds of people.

How about the thousands of videos of ANTIFA and BLM destroying 28 cities according to YouTube and the twitter videos out, a marathon, bu let’s overlook that...oh, wait, we can’t, just look at the devastation these criminals left behind.

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at least 20% black vote, yes. Joe is fading with the black community day by day as we learn more about his past positions, policies and legislation he supported. He is just simply trying to pander now, and he wont be allowed. Charlamagne said he has a lot more questions for him.

Well the choice is clear. And we know you think it's Trump..

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oh, wait, we can’t, just look at the devastation these criminals left behind.

Look at the devastation the criminals with badges have visited upon Mr Floyd and his family. And all the victims of police violence.

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he didnt just "support" the bill, he co-wrote it and pushed for it to become law.

All this institutional racism, who built the institution? Biden, Schumer, Pelosi and others.

But between supporting Biden, who supported that bill,

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Joe is fading with the black community day by day as we learn more about his past positions, policies and legislation he supported.

Shall I now make up something about a trend that I didn't actually bother to check whether or not it was supported by reality? Or shall we try to have an actual conversation?

In other words, go find some actual numbers about Biden's support in the black community, whether it's an upward or downward trend, and lets discuss that.

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No amount of Trumpspeak and government gaslighting about antifa, leftists, looters, radicals and rioters can fool our "lying eyes". 

Yup. Because words like "thugs" etc are code for words that are not used (at least by most decent people) anymore.

This isn't just confined to the States anymore, it's spreading like the Arab Spring of some years back.

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How about the thousands of videos of ANTIFA and BLM destroying 28 cities according to YouTube and the twitter videos out

I'll raise the Facebook and Twitter videos you've watched, with the FBI saying that the agitators from the right are far outnumbering the agitators on the left.

But you keep watching your facebook videos.

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Just look at that record of supporting Black Americans - they'll vote for him in record numbers...

Unfortunately for your story, Biden has his own racist comments/actions too. 1994 Crime bill, as a big one.

Thanks for admitting Trump has a racist past...good start...

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I still see few to no liberal media mentions about David Dorn, killed by rioters and looters.

Its iike his black life didnt even matter.

At least MSU didnt forget all about him.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/education/2020/06/08/msu-starts-scholarship-memory-george-floyd-david-dorn/5320587002/

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For a start, the following (among others) only happen in Democrat run cities and states:

Early release of convicts back into the streets.

Giving free needles and drug paraphernalia.

Sanctuary Cities...releasing illegal alien repeat offenders... child molesters, rapist , drug dealers, murderers, hit-and-run offenders...etc. protected/exempted from prosecution.

Homeless bums... dwelling in urban streets and sidewalks.

Ignoring Federal and local laws on immigration, and drug related offenses.

State welfare to illegals and the lazy.

Defund and eliminate Police units in a Democrat run state... is the best gift Dems can give the USA. Police, Teachers and other Labor Unions... contribute and support only Dem Politicians so they can hold on to power for life, a symbiotic relationship in the last 50 years.

Their pay, pension system, health care and insurance benefits are bloated, unfunded and unsupportable... why most if not all Dem states are on the brink of bankruptcy.

Now they are demanding Federal bailout. Trump said no bail out.... so defund and abolish Dem controlled police units..... that is an excellent idea.

Needless to say.... Police abuse and arrogance are prevalent only in Dem run states... ie. MN, MD, CA, WA, IL, MA, NY, NJ, PA. ......... It's the Democrat's own making.

Trump he has nothing to do with it....none, nada, zilch.

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https://www.kmov.com/news/march-held-to-honor-police-captain-david-dorn-who-was-killed-by-looters/article_dde8548c-a6a7-11ea-8b9b-4f295af97ab2.html

What a beautiful march, sadly only about 100 people because the professional agitators had no reason to show up.

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Why in the world do cities that get rid of their police forces need police reform? 

It's about dismantling the old structures and replacing them with fairer, more accountable organisations. Like the end of the RUC and the implementation of the PSNI in the aftermath of the GFA.

And then there was the various truth and reconciliation commissions set up around the world.

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For a while now, the America police have been receiving Israeli training. So no wonder all US citizens (no only blacks) are treated like Palestinians.

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State welfare to illegals and the lazy.

Do you know how difficult it is to claim welfare? And how soul destroying it is?

Some people have no choice.

Equating people on the dole with laziness or being an immigrant, people who cannot get work for various reasons, people who have lost their livelihoods due to dreadful economics... that is lazy and irresponsible.

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Here you go, discuss

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/05/black-voters-biden-301850

 But for younger black voters, many of whom are protesting in dozens of American cities, that requires trust in a system that they believe has done little for them or their families. Joe Biden is struggling to connect with young voters, particularly those of color, according to public and private polling — a serious problem for the former vice president that started during the presidential primary.

Wall Street Journal/NBC News polling has also found that Biden has less support among black men under 50 (70 percent) than among black women (92 percent).

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More problems in the areas of busing (which Kamala Harris called him racist over), crime bill, buddies with anti-segregationists. It is not a given that the black vote will turn out for good ole Joe.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/joe-biden-black-lives-matter

Biden Was MIA for Black Lives Matter During the Primary. They’re Hoping That’ll Change Now.

But Joe Biden was noticeably absent. Biden skipped several of those forums, put little muscle into developing a race-conscious agenda, and didn’t reach out to activist groups that other campaigns had pursued.

Biden, meanwhile, skated by with a middling history. The running mate of the country’s first Black president spent the primary scrutinized for his record on busing, his collaborations with anti-segregationists, and his hand in the 1994 crime bill, legislation that ushered in an era of mass incarceration and heavy policing.

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Here you go, discuss;

OK, thanks - you just proved Biden has a 70% support rate from black men under 50 and a 93% rate among black women. When your guy can't get over 45% of ALL Americans to support him...

Even Fox News polls are showing Biden beating Trump in swing state after swing state...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-more-trusted-on-coronavirus-trump-on-economy

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-leads-trump-in-wisconsin

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-trump-tossup-in-ohio-82-percent-approve-of-dewine

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-ahead-in-arizona-kelly-trouncing-mcsally-in-senate-race

And we learn today that the US has officially entered a recession - yes, an economic recession that hasn't occurred since the last time we had a Repub in the WH...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/08/recession-united-states-economy-307403

Maybe he ought to head back down to the bunker and commiserate on that...

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I say his name, GEORGE FLOYD

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All the fuss.  Let Minneapolis get rid of their cops and create a "community" force and see how the experiment works.  If it is a resounding success, then we will know.

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Thanks for admitting Trump has a racist past...good start...

But can you admit Biden has a racist past?

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Look at the devastation the criminals with badges have visited upon Mr Floyd and his family. And all the victims of police violence.

Ok, how does that justify the millions of dollars damaged to the nation caused by these thugs? No one is saying that the officers that did this crime shouldn’t be punished, but if you think destroying private businesses and public and private property is a form of justification is beyond ignorant.

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Thanks for admitting Trump has a racist past...good start...

But can you admit Biden has a racist past?

Nope - he's made some mistakes, but has admitted to those and has done nothing but express sympathy and support for civil rights....

But help us understand these;

Gave known civil rights icon Rush Limbaugh the nations' highest civilian honor, the Medal of Freedom - the same guy that called President Obama a "Halfrican American", and said to a female black caller; "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back"...

https://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

Gets support from another civil rights icon, and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, who said; “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk

Did his best to discriminate against Black Americans in his apartment complexes in NY in the 70's...

https://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs/public/FH-NY-0024-0034.pdf

And that's just a few of many....

Explain those please....

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Ok, how does that justify the millions of dollars damaged to the nation caused by these thugs?

There is no justification for the murders done to black Americans over the years.

An uprising is the correct response after being ignored/ridiculed and called SOB for peaceful protests.

"Thugs" is just code for the word you can't use anymore. Or at least, in public.

No one is saying that the officers that did this crime shouldn’t be punished, but if you think destroying private businesses and public and private property is a form of justification is beyond ignorant.

They're making America great again. Need to focus on more pulling down statues of racists, in my view. And even that's cosmetic.

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Nope - he's made some mistakes, but has admitted to those and has done nothing but express sympathy and support for civil rights....

Well, that doesn't really fly. While you cling on to Trump's history as a landlord ions ago, Biden has instances of him being a consistent racist during his 30 years in the Senate, and as recent as these past few weeks. So while you call Biden's blatant racism "mistakes", Biden's record, of which he's proud, says differently.

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President Obama doesn't regret using the term "thug" in describing the violent rioters in Baltimore this week, spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday.

"Whether it's arson or, you know, the looting of a liquor store ... those were thuggish acts," Earnest said.

In discussing the riots Tuesday, Obama assailed the "criminals and thugs who tore up the place," and described them as a distraction from the real issues of police brutality.

"Thugs" is just code for the word you can't use anymore. Or at least, in public.

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Nope - he's made some mistakes, but has admitted to those and has done nothing but express sympathy and support for civil rights....But help us understand these;

Well, that doesn't really fly. While you cling on to Trump's history as a landlord ions ago, Biden has instances of him being a consistent racist during his 30 years in the Senate, and as recent as these past few weeks. So while you call Biden's blatant racism "mistakes", Biden's record, of which he's proud, says differently.

Hmmmm.....I see you can't explain them...why not?

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"Thugs" is just code for the word you can't use anymore. Or at least, in public.

Is that what tupac means when he says thug life?

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The cultural appropriation and pandering of the African scarves just leading to more black votes for Trump and more apathy for voting for Biden. Dems pushing for this defund/dismantle/abolish/whatever the police just getting more police and law and order votes for Trump. Old white guy claiming black people arent black unless they vote for old white guy (yes, master?).

Its all falling apart for Dems.

Is 'Defund the Police' a massive political mistake?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/defund-the-police-blm/index.html

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some black lives matter. for the political narrative of Dems.

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some black lives matter. for the political narrative of Dems.

They don't support BLM. They support CBLM. Van Jones said it's not the kkk guy in a hood; it's the liberals; the central park karen types.

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That's not street talk, and it's not code. It's an honest representation of a far right poster who was rumbled the other day for advocating extreme violence.

Nope - he's made some mistakes, but has admitted to those and has done nothing but express sympathy and support for civil rights....

There's a difference.

That's not street talk, and it's not code. It's an honest representation of a far right poster who was rumbled the other day for advocating extreme violence.

Wow. Are you guys serious right now? You should really listen to yourselves. Unbelievable.

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It is ridiculous that the US has made progress in science , technology , business but still has a police force with the same mentality as the slave hunters of the pat centuries.

A well trained police force, with a proactive effort to weed out the racists is desperately required .

Also required is a less politicized judicial system, it is a pathetic that we have judges who decide based on their political affiliation rather than the merits of the case.

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so while we are reforming police, lets reform some laws on looting and extremist violence. (both sides, Antifa and any right leaning extremists as well). Also NYC has to get rid of that bail law that lets people who are arrested just go right back out on the street in time to make the next day violent protest.

There hasnt been much violence since Antifa got called out. Laying low for a while I guess. Time to go back to Portland and do what they do there every day for a while.

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so while we are reforming police, lets reform some laws on looting and extremist violence.

Totally, it was disgraceful that the klansmen in Michigan were able to threaten government officials and the public without any consequences.

Lets start with an effective gun control and everything else will follow.

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Here is Antifa, so now you have seen (some of) them:

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/three-antifa-group-members-arrested-for-looting-at-target-store-in-austin

Many more Antifa arrests to come, per AG Barr.

And what's the deal with the paranoia with ANTIFA. I have never seen them, 

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 the police and 400 years of the white man are the biggest threat to the black community.

Yes thanks for confirming. Also don't forget how much tax waste there is as well as lost tax revenue. My American taxes at work. By the way, where is Milo Yiannopoulos?

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Who co-wrote the 1994 crime bill that started the mass incarceration? Give you a hint, it rhymes with "hidin".

George Floyd represents the wasted dollar$ that goes to mass incarceration.

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Much easier and more satisfying to blame “whity” than to address the problems in your own community. Black on black shootings and murders have exploded in cities like Baltimore and Chicago.

invalid CSRF

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‘Lock the S.O.B.s Up’: Joe Biden and the Era of Mass Incarceration

He now plays down his role overhauling crime laws with segregationist senators in the ’80s and ’90s. That portrayal today is at odds with his actions and rhetoric back then.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/joe-biden-crime-laws.html

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Here is Antifa

Wrong

This belief just hurts innocent people who are targeted by Trump2ANRA people like the family above. Also if Antifa exists then (1) who is their leader and (2) how come they are not registered as official terror group by Trump. That failure is worse than the Trump wall or TrumpCare.

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ongoing investigations. wait and see.

Also if Antifa exists then (1) who is their leader and (2) how come they are not registered as official terror group by Trump.

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Who co-wrote the 1994 crime bill that started the mass incarceration? Give you a hint, it rhymes with "hidin".

Its Trump move and he is failing at it. This guy can't even build a wall and no way he will fix this. This started from Nixon and Clinton signed, but he said it was stupid. Trump is the wrong person to fix this because he can't even build a wall.

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Floyd's only downfall is that he wasn't successfully able to triumph over the white man's racist and oppressive laws.

Not being able to triumph over being murdered might be another downfall.

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Seems like the Trump supporters want to switch the subject - sorry, won't work - we're still waiting for you to explain Rush, Duke, and Donald's admitted housing discrimination...which are only 3 of a very long list...

Gave known civil rights icon Rush Limbaugh the nations' highest civilian honor, the Medal of Freedom - the same guy that called President Obama a "Halfrican American", and said to a female black caller; "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back"...

https://newsone.com/16051/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

Gets support from another civil rights icon, and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, who said; “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk

Did his best to discriminate against Black Americans in his apartment complexes in NY in the 70's...

https://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs/public/FH-NY-0024-0034.pdf

Come on, what are you afraid of?

And while you're at it, explain this one too...

Virginia Man Who Drove Truck Into Protest Says He’s A White Supremacist: Prosecutor

“The accused, by his own admission and by a cursory glance at social media, is an admitted leader of the Ku Klux Klan and a propagandist for Confederate ideology.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/virginia-white-supremacist-drove-protesters_n_5ede8f8ec5b67bba73f2e10f

You now, Confederate ideology - like the Confederate flags carried by all the Trump supporters...

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ongoing investigations. wait and see.

Wait and see what? We have been because they don't exist. But the cops are after those NRATrump2A people who harrased that family. THAT IS REAL and Antifa is not

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ongoing investigations. wait and see.

How is the US going to investigate millions of us in hundreds of different countries? All those of us who have marched/demonstrated/spoke out/elected candidates against fascism/racism?

All of our fathers and their fathers who fought and died against fascism?

Good luck with that.

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then how did 3 Antifa members get arrested in Austin Texas?

Antifa nor BLM are not required to be registered as domestic terrorists. Their members can just simply be arrested and held accountable when they do criminal acts. same as anyone else. simple.

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Trump he has nothing to do with it....none, nada, zilch.

Just as "patriotism" is the proverbial "last refuge of a scoundrel", so is "whataboutery" the last refuge of Trumpsplainers vainly attempting to defend the indefensible rancid regime of Trumprepublicans and the "Silence of the Wolves".

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‘Lock the S.O.B.s Up’-

Thats the Joe Biden "police reform". With "the S.O.B.s" being African American youths.

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then how did 3 Antifa members get arrested in Austin Texas?

Trump just calls them that. They don't exist. Proof is Trump's failure to declare them official terror group. And again who is their leader. But I bet that Trump will ask for their vote soon like with BLM. Also white NRA 2A Trump people harrased innocent people accusing of being Antifa. That is a crime.

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then how did 3 Antifa members get arrested in Austin Texas?

I wouldn't know. Being antifa is not like being in an organisation where we all keep tabs on each others.

It's like being black, or white, or gay or straight. We don't all know each other and we aren't responsible for what others do or don't get up to.

It's a state of mind. A feeling. An ideology. Common sense.

Maybe this is how fascism gets such traction; some people are so ignorant that they cannot comprehend what's being explained to them again and again.

Maybe this is what MAGA means. A fourth reich dominated by unparalleled levels of dimwittedness. Allowed grow through willful ignorance and misinformation.

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If you do not support Biden....then "you aint Black"....right from the decrepit Biden's mouth.

So? Trump tells his people to inject Mr Clean

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The poll found 12 percent of black voters said they would support Trump if the election were held today compared to 74 percent who said they would vote for Biden.

However, Woodbury pointed to recent Trump approval numbers, where 24 percent of black voters said they approve of the job Trump is doing in the White House, as a warning sign to Biden's chances in November.

"I'll tell you right now, if he can get half of those 24 percent of people to vote for him, then he is reelected," he added.

Dem leaning pollster Rasmussen has 41% black support for Trump. This isnt going to end as you expect. Especially if "police reform" becomes a continued push to eliminate police all together, thats just insanity.

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Trump has failed with Antifa

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then how did 3 Antifa members get arrested in Austin Texas?

Boy, are you going to feel humiliated when they search these "Antifa" suspects and find a Trump 2020 T-Shirt and a MAGA hat in their backpacks...along with a Confederate flag, white sheet, and the book, "The Art of the Con"...

And why are all the Trump supporters running away from explaining Rush, David, and Donald to us?

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right in the article.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/three-antifa-group-members-arrested-for-looting-at-target-store-in-austin

The three people arrested are known members of a local anti-government group, which is a self-identified communist/socialist ANTIFA group.

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There is no justification for the murders done to black Americans over the years.

There is no justification for the murders done to police officers over the years.

There is no justification for the murders done to blacked owned businesses over the years.

There is no justification for the Rioting and looting and the destruction of private and public property committed by thugs over the last few days.

An uprising is the correct response after being ignored/ridiculed and called SOB for peaceful protests.

Biden called blacks SOB’s, he wrote the crime the bill that is so devastating to the black community and if radical liberals think lawlessness is the answer then by God the last thing we need is to abolish the police, but if this were to ever to happen soon, this will give Trump the 4 years he needs, so libs, go ahead.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/09/joe-biden-crime-bill-and-americans-short-memory/597547/

"Thugs" is just code for the word you can't use anymore. Or at least, in public.

Outrageously stupid. Soon you can’t call criminals “criminals” and you can’t call liberals “liberals” PC madness run amok. Lol So what should we call people that break the law, “misguided youth? Misunderstood angered people?”

They're making America great again.

No, the thugs are making it like Detroit and again, it won’t help minorities, this will backfire so fast.

Need to focus on more pulling down statues of racists, in my view. And even that's cosmetic.

So JFK should go, the street signs from his family, the halls of Congress: Byrd, the Democrats party, liberals in general....

anything else?

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Many more Antifa arrests to come, per AG Barr.

If he does manage to find people who don't exist and arrest them, Barr might be sharing the cell with them soon.

Barr's abuse of power will not go unpunished.

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which is a self-identified communist/socialist ANTIFA group.

Underneath their black hoodies and backpacks, they're just a bunch of regular brown shirts.

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So which part of the proposed laws do Trump fans have a problem with?

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why is there no Biden economic plan? George Floyd's fault. kinda rude to blame him for that.

Would have had a plan...

"Had not... had... uh... we'd not had the... death... George had not been held up against that curb."

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oh, they exist. Your panic to claim they dont exist after years of supporting them tells everyone all they need to know.

Shouldnt have cheered so loud for Portland and Berkeley. People heard you. Should have kept Yvette Felarca under control and now allowed her to file and lose her lawsuit against Judicial Watch (she is paying them damages).

Shouldnt have allowed Joseph Alcoff and his Antifa buddies to beat up Hispanic Marines in Philadelphia.

More and more coming, as part of police reform.

if he does manage to find people who don't exist and arrest them

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Readers, those of you have been bickering here all morning please take a break. You know who you are.

Maybe this is what MAGA means. A fourth reich dominated by unparalleled levels of dimwittedness. 

This kind of hysterical language feeds the right. It makes the opposition sound unable to engage in reasonable conversation. I see myself as on the left and bury my face in my hands when I hear or read it.

I have zero time for Trump, but I don’t see his administration as comparable to Hitler’s rule.

Running down the language is so unhelpful.

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Sounds like George Floyd is the reincarnation of MLK Jr. George Floyd was a criminal. Was arrested while committing a federal crime of trying to pass off counterfeit currency. A crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison. He had a previous criminal record. Sorry he's dead but when you mess with the police it can spiral out of control.

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Readers, George Floyd's criminal record is not relevant to any of these discussions.

Biden opposes the movement to defund police departments as a response to police brutality but supports the "urgent need" for reform....

Yeah, right. Lip service. But you all know he won't veto legislations that will effectively defund , disarm and weaken police and law enforcement's ability to do their jobs effectively. We'll still have a "police force" but in name only.

The democrats will evaluate every law that blacks (and other minorities) have committed and then decriminalize those laws so that blacks can't be arrested and incarcerated for committing those violations. That will give the blacks to exercise their "rights" to do whatever they want to do and the police can't arrest them because they haven't violated any laws. End of police brutality.

Here's a solution to the so-called police brutality and racism: Remove ALL police from communities and cities that are PREDOMINANTLY BLACK, including Detroit, New York and Los Angeles, etc. If there are no police presence, there won't be (white man's) police brutality, racism, oppression.

Meanwhile those who do respect and want law and order would welcome increased police presence in their neighborhoods and communities.

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We aren't an homogenous blob that thinks alike, or acts alike. For instance, I match the utter surreal narrative emanating from the right here, about antifa, with my own silly salvo... and the point is misunderstood, by an actual liberal.

Fair enough. It’s just so hard to tell with certain elements of the hysterical opposition to Trump. I’ve heard and read words like ‘Nazi’ thrown around very casually. It comes from hysterical partisans on the right too - one crazed and uneducated partisan compared Bernie Sanders to Josef Stalin on this site.

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why is there no Biden economic plan?

Once again, a google would have answered your question:

https://joebiden.com/the-biden-emergency-action-plan-to-save-the-economy/

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Republicans be like: "people who oppose Nazis must be classified as terrorists, but not the KKK, they're just exercizing their freedom of speech"

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There is a difference between expressing your freedom of speech and destroying and tearing up the country. If the KKK or other White Nationalist groups would have a meltdown and do the same thing of course it should and would be repudiated.

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There is a difference between expressing your freedom of speech and destroying and tearing up the country. If the KKK or other White Nationalist groups would have a meltdown and do the same thing of course it should and would be repudiated.

The other day, the KKK said they were going to invade Birmingham, Alabama and kill every black person they could find. Trump hasn't designated them as a domestic terror group.

Why?

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If the KKK or other White Nationalist groups would have a meltdown and do the same thing of course it should and would be repudiated.

You missed it - they already have...

As protests continue across the country over the police killing of George Floyd, white nationalist groups have been using the unrest to their advantage. This isn’t a new tactic. The Charlottesville protests in 2017 included Neo-Nazis, Klansman, and protesters from other alt-right groups. 

https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/press-play-with-madeleine-brand/la-attorney-resists-the-call-to-reopen-courts-amid-covid-19/white-supremacy-protests

Or;

Baltimore protesters should be on the lookout for white supremacists who are joining demonstrations around the nation for the purpose of bringing discredit to the Black Lives Matter movement

And just today;

A Richmond, Va.-area man who allegedly drove his truck into a crowd of protesters Sunday has admitted to being a leader of the Ku Klux Klan, prosecutors said Monday.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501668-virginia-man-accused-of-driving-into-protesters-claims-to-be-kkk-leader

You repudiate all of these?

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