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Thousands rally for Trump, believing he won election

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This is exactly why Trump loves the poorly educated; they are easily manipulated, which we see every day.

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Imbeciles United.

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Most Republicans will believe there was fraud without any evidence. It's just the corrosive minds they have.

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where is the evidence the election was stolen and Trump won?

a crime this big needs irrefutable proof. where is it?

there is none.

end of story

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The GOP has truly become the panty of Trump.

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where is the evidence the election was stolen and Trump won?

For the majority of Trump backers and others in the far right no evidence reported by what they call the 'MSM' nor from the government is believed anymore.

Instead they believe what a serial liar like Trump says and what's reported by Hannity, Alex Jones, Breitbart, RT, Gateway Pundit, some random poster on 8chan and other fringe/wack sites writes.

Instead of believing what a 'mainstream' journal like Lancet or the New England Journal of Medicine reports they'll believe what Qanon says.

And they're heavily armed.

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*The crowd was beginning to gather in the morning when cheers rang out as Trump's limousine neared Freedom Plaza on his way to a golf outing in Sterling, Virginia. *

Trump plays more golf than Tiger Woods. Whatever happened to conservatives disdain for presidents who play a lot of golf?

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Keep on repeating until they believe! Worked for the Nazis years ago!

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On January 20th the final tally of votes occurs.

According to the Constitution, only Certified and Signed Electoral Votes may be counted.

Also, if no candidate receives a clear majority (for example Biden 260, Trump 219) the vote goes to a House vote whereby 1 State has 1 vote. In the event of a tie, the sitting Vice President votes.

Trump won 25 States.

We have a path to victory, just hold up 30 Electoral votes in some lawsuit.

No more Bovine Excrement.

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Bunch of sheeple that will blindly follow Trump.

Joe Biden is your President, get over yourselves already.

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On January 20th the final tally of votes occurs.

Incorrect.

*The Electoral College Votes will be cast and counted on 14 December, which must then be delivered to Vice President Mike Pence, in his capacity as Senate president, by 23 December. When the new Congress is sworn in on 6 January one of their first tasks will be to officially count the vote and Pence will declare the winner. On 20 January 2021, President-elect Joe Biden will be sworn in as the 46th President of the United States*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2020/11/13/latest_news/1605290005_315925.amp.html

The rest of your post isn’t worth respond to.

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Burning BushToday  07:05 am JST

We have a path to victory, just hold up 30 Electoral votes in some lawsuit.

How are all those lawsuits working out for you?

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We shall see !

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BTW, the whole recount campaign, along with Stop The Steal, is nothing more than a astroturfed 'dirty trick' by Roger Stone:

https://us.cnn.com/2020/11/13/business/stop-the-steal-disinformation-campaign-invs/index.html

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The election was declared the safest in history. Biden has won a landslide victory over Trump. The greatest numbers of Americans voted for a president in history. This week Trump lost every of his court cases. More losses to come next week.

The majority of the people in the rally not wearing masks.

Biden wins Arizona, first democrat since 1996. Also wins in Georgia. The first to win there since 1992.

Biden has broken so many records in this election.

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Trump loser following

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zichiToday  07:16 am JST

This week Trump lost every of his court cases. More losses to come next week.

Well there we have it. How anyone can still talk about Trump's path to victory is a bit beyond me.

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*The Electoral College Votes will be cast and counted on 14 December

Correct, but incomplete.

December 14th is when the Electoral Votes are cast in each State.

Each State must then count and certify their own tally, seal the ballots in an envelope and sign it.

Each State then sends its own envelope of Certified Electoral Ballots to Washington.

The final tally of all 50 States is done in the House on January 20th. Only Certified Ballots can be counted.

If there is not clear majority (over 270), it immediately goes to a House vote, but each State only gets 1 vote.

Check the Constitution.

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According to Trump, Biden has won an EC landslide victory of 306 votes. Biden will be the next President of the United States of America.

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Congress has only ever decided the presidential election in 1801, 1825 and 1877. The 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution that haven’t been used since the 19th century.

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zichiToday  07:16 am JST

The election was declared the safest in history. Biden has won a landslide victory over Trump. The greatest numbers of Americans voted for a president in history. This week Trump lost every of his court cases. More losses to come next week.

The majority of the people in the rally not wearing masks.

Biden wins Arizona, first democrat since 1996. Also wins in Georgia. The first to win there since 1992.

Biden has broken so many records in this election.

77 million + people have spoken, a new record high.

P. SmithToday  07:31 am JST

This is the Million Morons March.

About a hundred or two hundred thousands morons, that's about it.

zichiToday  07:44 am JST

According to Trump, Biden has won an EC landslide victory of 306 votes. Biden will be the next President of the United States of America.

Trump is an usurper and is not/never will be a true President. He's a dictator/puppet installed with Russian help. Obama was the last POTUS and his VP will be the next POTUS.

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This is so funny. Justin Anthony... what a legend!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300158853/thousands-of-trump-supporters-march-to-falsely-claim-he-won-us-election

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According to the Loser-n-Chief the election in 2016 was rigged as well. Except he won that election and this one he has lost. No protests about Florida of course or North Carolina but protests about Georgia and Arizona. It is all a game to get contributions to roll in like the fake Wall campaign that Trump ran with his buddies or his fake University or fake charity.

Just amazing that a narrow segment of American society is so gullible. Clinton was right about the rightwing fanatics being a basket of deplorables.

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Check the Constitution.

You're citing the Constitution? If you seriously believe that the "path to victory" you outline in your first post today is an ethically acceptable one, relying as it does on attempted legal trickery and an utterly unprincipled denial of the clear wishes of the majority of the voters of the United States, then what do you care about the Constitution? The Constitution of the United States, as even I, a foreigner, can understand it, was created to outline and protect the principles by which a democracy should function, not to provide cover for an election cheat trying to deny those principles for the purposes of ego gratification and a lust for personal power.

Really. As this and many other articles and comments over the past few days have shown, far too many people just do not know what a democracy is, and don't deserve to live in one.

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So many deluded people.

Sad.

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Cry babies and whiners with guns and rope. The only problem is that there are a lot of these types still hiding in the closet who probably hold more power than these folks with their guns and rope.

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Burning Bush: Educate yourself.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL32717/12

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How very like a cult... Only listening to what they want to hear instead of the reality that is in front of them. Very deluded people who would refuse democracy to live under the thumb of a corrupt king.

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*8. *January 6, 2021

Counting Electoral Votes in Congress:

* The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. The President of the Senate is the presiding officer. If a Senator and a House member jointly submit an objection, each House would retire to its chamber to consider it.*

The President and Vice President must achieve a majority of electoral votes (270) to be elected. In the absence of a majority, the House selects the President, and the Senate selects the Vice President.

If a State submits conflicting electoral votes to Congress, the two Houses acting concurrently may accept or reject them. If they do not concur, the votes of the electors certified by the Governor of the State would be counted in Congress.

*9. January 20, 2021 at Noon*

*Inauguration**:*

 The President-elect and Vice President-elect take the Oath of Office and become the President of the United States and Vice President of the United States, respectively.

https://www.archives.gov/files/electoral-college/state-officials/presidential-election-brochure.pdf

Burning Bush, please stop publishing inaccurate information. Using google really isn’t that difficult.

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The world is watching and laughing. Mostly laughing.

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Reminds me of the documentary ‘Wild Wild Country’.

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Trump lawyer says she’s about to ‘release the Kraken

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/14/trump-lawyer-says-shes-about-to-release-the-kraken-im-going-to-expose-every-one-of-them-996267

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Among the speakers was a Georgia Republican newly elected to the U.S. House. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has expressed racist views and support for QAnon conspiracy theories

Taylor Greene/Hannity 2024

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I have a mixed emotion of seeing these Trump supporter pathetic behavior mixed in with how dumb, misinformed and backwards they are. What a horrific and ignorant crowd of people.

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One of the techniques of the alt-right is to cloak extremist statements in post facto assertions they were done in irony, sarcasm, satire. Projection is also a big thing with them. So when you hear talk of coup d'etats while things seem to be going forward in a slapdash manner it's helpful to be on your guard.

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These are ones who are gullible and easily deceived by confidence tricksters.

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Trump lovers are not "deplorables" (this language is emblematic of what lost the Dems their blue-collar base), but their belief in him was misplaced and their vote a grave error, two sins that people find hard to confess and forgive themselves for. To paraphrase that famous quote, "Trumpism is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".

Trump is toast, but the "poorly educated" that he "loved" came to Washington to remind us that they are not "fired" and are not going anywhere. Biden had better bind up their wounds with an inspiring inauguration speech that gives them hope followed by swift action that offers deliverance from Trump's "American carnage". Failure to win back the loyalty of working people will only reincarnate the tragedy of Trumpism, inviting a right-wing avatar to disprove the comforting notion that "it can't happen here".

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Collective hysteria. A bunch of psychologist probably joined too: there won’t be much opportunity to observe such numbers of mentally biased cases !!

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HonestDictatorToday  08:17 am JST

How very like a cult... Only listening to what they want to hear instead of the reality that is in front of them. Very deluded people who would refuse democracy to live under the thumb of a corrupt king.

See all those blue flags with the Diaper Dictator's names on them, reflecting their true loyalty. These decepted disciples follow Trump but their loyalty is not to America or its principals. They blindly follow a foolish fascist Fuehrer, telling themselves fairy tales so they can feel good about themselves. But they look like idiots!

Remember that horrible picture of a Trump rally at Lansing, Michigan with a giant video screen showing the hateful Orwellian scowling face of the dictator? 'How very like a cult..' indeed. It IS a cult - his personality cult and a religious cult (he did say he was a messiah last year). This is a cult!

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Democrats = I Voted

GoP = I Litigated

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The uneducated will believe anything!!!!!

Lets not disparage them, they deserve our pity.

Though it was funny when they started chanting ‘Fox news sucks’.

It’s like evil cannibalizing itself!!!!

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Thousands Incited to Rally for Trump Believing Another Trump Lie

Maybe they would be interesting in enrolling in Trump University, buying a Trump steak, Donating to the Trump Foundation, or.........

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swarmed his motorcade when he detoured for a drive-by on his way out of town

Of course his frail little immature ego detoured.

As a nobody might tweet, Sad Loser.

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P. Smith is correct. In the absence of a clear majority of certified electoral ballots there will be a vote in the House.

Oddly, he did not read in full.

From Article II Section I:

then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; 

1 State, 1 Vote.

If Trump manages to tie up 37 electoral votes in legal limbo by Jan. 6, then Biden will only have 269 certified electoral votes.

In that case, as per the constitution, it will be 1 State, 1 vote.

Trump has 25 States... in the event of a tie, Pence will cast the deciding vote.

Trump will be the constitutionally elected President.

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If Trump manages to tie up 37 electoral votes in legal limbo by Jan. 6, then Biden will only have 269 certified electoral votes.

Keep on keeping the faith! Dream a little dream!

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Thousands rally for Trump, believing he won election

Losers.

Among the speakers was a Georgia Republican newly elected to the U.S. House. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has expressed racist views and support for QAnon conspiracy theories, urged people to march peacefully toward the Supreme Court.

The marchers included members of the Proud Boys, a neo-fascist group known for street brawling with ideological opponents at political rallies.

Losers.

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Cult! smh

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Failure to win back the loyalty of working people will only reincarnate the tragedy of Trumpism, inviting a right-wing avatar to disprove the comforting notion that "it can't happen here".

No-one could dispute the main thrust of your post, intelligent and well-reasoned as it is as usual. It's certainly a valid real-life warning as to the dangers of the Democrats failing to re-engage with their traditional base, and what might happen if they don't. But I can't quite swallow this notion that's been advanced often in the past few years, that somehow "the uneducated" who voted for Trump are somehow excused by their lack of formal education from the responsibility of educating themselves when it comes to politics and the way things work in the big wide world.

"Lack of education" is not synonymous with "lack of intelligence", just as the possession of a university degree doesn't necessarily mean that a person is particularly, or even detectably, intelligent, although far too many who possess a degree believe that to be the case. The ease with which so many slip into conspiracy theories and follow populist demagogues, either political or cultural, suggests plain intellectual laziness as a cause, whether educated or not. Being a citizen - being a voter - carries along with it responsibilities, as well as rights, and one of the major responsibilities of that is to educate yourself and thereby arm yourself with the knowledge base not to become an unwitting tool of manipulators like Donald Trump. That far too many people appear not to have done that is why, yes, it has happened here (which for the purposes of this article is the United States), and why it can happen anywhere.

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The marchers included members of the Proud Boys, a neo-fascist group known for street brawling with ideological opponents at political rallies.

It’s sad that a “news” article would make a partisan attack on a public interest group that describes itself as pro-Western Civilization. They explicitly reject racism and one of the groups founders is non-white. They aren’t my cup of tea but are a lot less violent and destructive than Antifa. Antifa is explicitly fascist - violence and unbending confrontation is what they do. From what I have seen the Proud Boys are offensive to Leftist groups who show up at their events with weapons and start fights. The Left want to deny people with opposing views the right to freedom of speech. The mainstream media and tech share this way of thinking and demonize them. It’s why the coverage of election protests this year are completely different than it was four years ago. Anti- Trump protestors clashed with police and burned cars. None of that is happening in DC today by the pro-Trump protestors.

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All talk and no action. Soon Trump will start a civil war to protect the country (and children) from President Hillary. Trump people must take the side and fight for Trump or they will be looked at as Hillary enablers. Are you a Trump person in Japan? Then you must leave at once and return to the USA where it is legal to have a gun and you can join the white supremacists malitia like Proud Boys to guard and protect Trump's White House. Don't just talk about it. Do it!!!

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Trump will be the constitutionally elected President.

Hate to break it to you, this is on 2016, we are in 2020 now.

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I do not want trump to concede or accept defeat , I want the secret service to escort him out of the WH, kicking and screaming.

2020 has been a terrible year, trump owes it to us to provide entertainment in Jan 2021!!!!

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Russia if you’re listening ... your client is a loser!

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It’s sad that a “news” article would make a partisan attack on a public interest group that describes itself as pro-Western Civilization. They explicitly reject racism and one of the groups founders is non-white.

But not violence. They are more than happy to engage in violence, which “public interest” groups don’t do.

They aren’t my cup of tea but are a lot less violent and destructive than Antifa. Antifa is explicitly fascist - violence and unbending confrontation is what they do. 

Antifa, unlike the Proud Boys, isn’t a group which you join; it’s an ideology. No leaders, just like-minded people.

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Hi Mods! What exactly about my last innocuous post was offensive/vulgar?

This is too easy to answer: It flew in the face of all available evidence and failed to provide a cite because it wasn’t intended to promote conversation.

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If Trump manages to tie up 37 electoral votes in legal limbo by Jan. 6, then Biden will only have 269 certified electoral votes.

Or, instead of trying to ignore the will of the voters through that sort of chicanery, he could just take it like a man and do the decent thing of accepting the result of a free and fair election.

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Burning BushToday  07:05 am JST

On January 20th the final tally of votes occurs.

According to the Constitution, only Certified and Signed Electoral Votes may be counted.

Also, if no candidate receives a clear majority (for example Biden 260, Trump 219) the vote goes to a House vote whereby 1 State has 1 vote. In the event of a tie, the sitting Vice President votes.

Trump won 25 States.

We have a path to victory, just hold up 30 Electoral votes in some lawsuit.

No more Bovine Excrement.

....wtf......BB by this ""logic"" I hope you realise that Hillary then should have been president the last 4 years!!!!!

Thinking caps people, please lets use them

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P. Smith - Oh, goodness gracious! Somebody is getting *verrrry*** **nervous!

Ridiculous, unsubstantiated, and unsupported claims don’t make me nervous in the least; they make me laugh and feel embarrassed for the poster.

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trump will struggle to find funding for his new media channel, banks are nervous lending to someone with 6 bankruptcies, $450 million debt and a tax fraud indictment.

His best bet is to start a cult, there are enough bigots in the world looking for a new messiah!!!!

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bookies are not so sure; "Gambling websites are holding hundreds of millions of dollars in payouts of a Joe Biden election"

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Donald Trump is not, and never will be, either a diplomat or politician.

Why even contemplate some miraculous “Road to Damascus” moment of conversion that requires Donald Trump to bow to the accepted political establishments belief that demands conformity?

It is the same delusionary ignorance that propelled Donald Trump into office.

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Donald Trump is not, and never will be, either a diplomat or politician.

Yes, we know why he is so wildly popular. What was your point again?

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So.

The authoritarian President continues in refusing to concede the elections, spreads falsehoods and rumours about it, purges the top brass military, attacks the media whilst thousands of his supporters - including militias - descend on the capital.

Any other develpoping nation would have the US calling for sanctions or military action.

Send in the UN peacekeepers, surely?

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Yes, we know why he is so wildly popular. What was your point again?

He’s just not as popular as Biden.

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This event reminded me the Plato's cave analogy. Like those who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, Trump's supporters only trust the shadows or false information projected on the wall provided by this cunning manipulator.

I hope that once the Biden Government can heal the nation's divisions, Trump's supporters would be able to enjoy the multi-dimensional world outside the dark cave.

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Yes, we know why he is so wildly popular.

So wildly popular he lost the popular vote twice. Quite an achievement.

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The plaintiffs submitted more than 230 pages of affidavits from Republican poll challengers. But they described isolated grievances and perceived irregularities, not systemic fraud. “I felt intimidated by union people who were staring at me,” one poll challenger complained. Another said the loud volume of the P.A. system was distracting. A third said a Democratic poll worker told her to “go back to the suburbs, Karen.” A fourth found it suspicious that most of the few dozen ballots he saw counted that were cast by members of the military were votes for Mr. Biden.

A sample from one of the lawsuits filed by the trump fans.

These are not just sore losers, they are stupid and sore losers!!!!!

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Antifa is explicitly fascist

From what I have seen

"Antifa" means "anti-fascist", so it is by name, very explicitly... The opposite of fascist. But setting semantics aside, what "you have seen" is a corrupted version of the reality we all live in. A reality the the voters have loudly rejected last week.

Right-wing terrorism is vastly more of a threat to America than any left-wing movement, all of the intelligence agencies (people whose job it is to actually protect America from any and all threats) agree on it and publicly state it on a regular basis. "Antifa", whatever you think they are, only represent a threat to the country on fox, OAN and newsmax.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-extremists-idUSKBN26K2J7

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/us/domestic-terrorist-groups.html

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Yes, we know why he is so wildly popular. What was your point again?

Just nowhere near as popular as Hillary was and Biden is.

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Not not only losers but sore losers.

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Trump 2020 flags may well replace confederate flags. Both are symbolic of defeated losers who proudly proclaim their adherence to the worst elements of humanity long after their crushing loss.

Couldn’t have said it any better.

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So many foolish people in the one place at the same time. A shysters paradise to sell everyone a unicorn.

Seriously did none of them watch the real news? They all think Trump won when EVERY indicator shows he lost in a landslide? America, home of the free (to be fools). Too many Americans being left behind. They need a serious overhaul of their schools. It is just a very sad sight.

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Well Trump did it again! He owns the news cycle today. This rally is on every media outlet in the world!

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Fervent supporters of President Donald Trump rallied in Washington on Saturday behind his spurious claim of a stolen election and swarmed his motorcade when he detoured for a drive-by on his way out of town.

As much as I'd like to belittle and ridicule these folks, I actually feel sorry for them. They obviously lack the critical thinking skills to distinguish between facts in the real world, and a false, deluded alt-reality that is a signature of all cults.

Trump uses them to satiate his narcissistic personality disorder, while bilking them out of their meager savings....then he works to take away their health care while giving permanent tax breaks to the Top 1%.

These folks are to be pitied - they yell and cheer for their Messiah as he puts them all into poverty - or into the ICU....

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Joe Biden will be quite rightly the next President of the United States of America.

No if or buts there.

If for one moment the political landscape can return to the era when the electorate can be taken for granted and a section can be rudimentarily dismissed as “poorly educated”.

You have a rude awakening coming.

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yeah.. million plus are reported as few thousand.. what else is new..

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Trump already knows that "Sleepy Joe" will be the 46th President of the United States of America. He can't manage to get the words out.

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Trump lovers are not "deplorables" (this language is emblematic of what lost the Dems their blue-collar base), but their belief in him was misplaced and their vote a grave error, two sins that people find hard to confess and forgive themselves for.

There is no bridge between the delusions of the rightwing with their death cult and reality. The firm consistent characteristic of the Trump base is racism/white nationalism. If that is not deplorable then you do not understand the word itself. There is no way back to a middle ground in the USA, those days are long over. Proof of that, the Obama Presidency in which Obama wasted his political capital on overtures to the republicans that went nowhere. He was rewarded for his efforts with the Merrick Garland failure.

The reason the demos lost the blue collar workers is that they abandoned them under Clinton. Clinton was republican light, got him elected but he screwed over the working class regardless of race to win. Bernie Sanders cares about working people but he cannot win the corporate based Democratic Party nomination.

Take off the rose colored glasses, you are laboring under delusions not unlike the Trump rally participants.

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Trump can’t say he loses he needs to use “win” in his speech , for instance he won’t say he lost the elections he’ll say he “won the support of a tremendous numbers of people, this is fantastic” and his ego will be pleased.

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Maybe he did win.

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yeah.. million plus are reported as few thousand.. what else is new..

That is not correct, only thousands. Where do you get your info?

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As said by many, education is key. The sad thing is that most of these people won't benefit from another Trump term. They're poor, uneducated, bereft of proper medical and health care, and they'll stay like that.

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You know, I just don't care what Trump's delusional supporters think.

They lost. They lost by a large margin. They want to stay in their little altered-reality bubble? Fine. They will fall farther and farther behind while the rest of the country moves forward.

Want to leave Twitter for an even more cancerous option? See ya.

Want to divorce Faux for OAN? Have at it.

You are making yourself even less relevant.

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The GOP has truly become the panty of Trump

Exactly..that sums up the radical left.

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Thousands rally for Trump, believing he won election

Wow, what a bunch of stupid losers.

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So sad. The GOP and their supporters have turned into a cult. It isn't a party anymore. All of which can be blamed at Trump. By declaring that if he lost, then it must be rigged, paints a picture of an election as having only one desirable result: his win.

That is so crazy. It may work in dictatorships like Russia or North Korea, but not in America. Fortunately, there are enough cooler heads who won't be bullied in giving a dictator the decision they want. I commend the many state officials and volunteers who worked so hard to make it a secure election where people can rest assured that their votes counted.

Trump should be happy that he had the second highest amount of voters who voted for him in the history of elections. If he thinks there were mistakes in the system, then it should also affect his vote total.

In any case, these MAGA protesters aren't doing the country any good by protesting, inciting violence, and spreading the virus around even more. Shame on them for protesting a worthless cause.

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by what they call the 'MSM'..

Everyone calls them MSM, mainstream media is mainstream media..so what does the left call them now?

Instead of believing what a 'mainstream' journal like Lancet or the New England Journal of Medicine reports..

Nice subterfuge.. as if there was any relation between the MSM and the Academic world.. I really hope there is none.

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Every day I get more emails from Trump and Pence begging for "donations" to the campaign to save America. At this point, donating money so that those two can rearrange the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic is the last thing in the world I want to do. It is obvious that Trump's latest scam is to get his lemmings to give him millions of dollars to take with him when he sneaks out of the White House.

I do not know what people see in someone like Trump, but there are enough of them so that he thinks it is worthwhile to plead for money from them.

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They aren’t my cup of tea but are a lot less violent and destructive than Antifa.

Wolfpack: While you may be right that they may not be as violent as some other right-wing groups, they are only one small group of the right-wing ideology and their movement.

We must not forget the numerous domestic acts of terrorism and mass shootings caused by right-wingers and their cults whose members still exist. The fact remains that more domestic acts of terrorism and mass shootings have been instigated by people who aligned themselves on the right and were often times racially motivated, than those who align themselves with Antifa.

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Unmasked super spreaders.

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The crowd was beginning to gather in the morning when cheers rang out as Trump's limousine neared Freedom Plaza on his way to a golf outing in Sterling, Virginia. People lined both sides of the street. Some stood just a few feet away from Trump’s vehicle; others showed their enthusiasm by running along with the caravan.

Trump, going to play golf for the umpteenth time - in the middle of a re-surging pandemic - while his supporters cheer him on....without masks or distancing...

That really says it all, doesn't it....

The “Million MAGA March” was heavily promoted on social media, raising concerns that it could spark conflict with anti-Trump demonstrators, who have gathered near the White House in Black Lives Matter Plaza for weeks.

Hmmmm....the "Million MAGA March" - attended by thousands....Trump going out the way he came in (inauguration)...

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Unmasked, non-socially distanced rallies by over-weight older people is one of the quickest ways to have fewer Trump supporters walking the planet. It's Darwinism in fast forward.

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Everyone calls them MSM, mainstream media is mainstream media..so what does the left call them now?

The most mainstream of the MSM is Fox “News.”

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Thousands rally for Trump, believing he won election

A famous quote by George Carlin comes to mind, but it has something about the power of folks in large groups...

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The reason the demos lost the blue collar workers is that they abandoned them under Clinton. Clinton was republican light, got him elected but he screwed over the working class regardless of race to win. Bernie Sanders cares about working people but he cannot win the corporate based Democratic Party nomination.

Righto! But it can also be argued that the Dems have been hemorrhaging support from working-class Americans since FDR's New Deal. The Cold War ( McCarthyism, Indo-China and numerous other acts of aggression against governments which refused to shine Uncle Sam's shoes) primed the electorate for anti-communist ideology and nationalistic "American exceptionalism". "Unelectable" (NYT) Reagan came to my neighborhood on his first campaign stop to speak at our local union hall. The guys told me he was their man and that they would all vote for him. I knew then that the Dems had lost the American working class. Since Reagan's MAGA with its corporate "trickle down" and globalization, it has been all downhill for workers as America shifted far right. There is no left-wing party as a counter-balance for workers to turn to. Sanders was twice denied by corporate money and influence. Their now precarious socioeconomic status has triggered an acute identity crisis which finally drove them over the cliff and into the treacherous hands of " Berzelius Windrip's" wannabe avatar. It is to be hoped that Harris will be able to win back working-class America, but it may be too late.

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"Antifa", whatever you think they are, only represent a threat to the country on

Well the homes and businesses across the US, which were victim of rioting looting and arson have a very very different opinion..

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On the otherhand, Gen-Z, which will replace the rapidly dying off Baby-boomers, will be the largest, most diverse, most educated, and most politically-active voting demographic within the next 1-2 cycles.

And Trump has made the GOP radioactive with them. They will, as a group, reject everything that was remotely related to or enabled Trump.

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The most mainstream of the MSM is Fox “News.”

Nice try, but like high majority of the MSM they are on the left..

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Well the homes and businesses across the US, which were victim of rioting looting and arson have a very very different opinion..

How exactly does one get the opinions of “homes and businesses”? I was under the impression those were objects.

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And Trump has made the GOP radioactive with them. They will, as a group, reject everything that was remotely related to or enabled Trump.

With the exception of the rich kids and ones whose right-wing parents thoroughly brainwashed them into the right-wing mentality.

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‘Fox News is on the left’ That was a good chortle, got any more?

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They aren’t my cup of tea but are a lot less violent and destructive than Antifa

Upon what data are you basing this conclusion? Or is it just a general feeling you have from reading your right wing media bubbles?

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Nice quote from a Politico article today.

"Normally when we survey experts, we’ll get a range of answers—a breadth that reflects their backgrounds and particular corners of expertise. Not this time."

“There is simply no evidence of fraud. Nor is there any other realistic basis for altering the apparent outcome,” wrote Steven F. Huefner, a law professor at the Ohio State University. That assessment was backed up by Lawrence Douglas, a law professor at Amherst College who has for more than a year been studying what could go wrong with this election. He saw “no reason whatsoever to question the legitimacy of the process or the trustworthiness of the results.”

But these are just egg-head eliteist professors who study the law for a living, so what do they know???

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There is a huge difference between Republicans and Trump supporters. Not all Republicans are Trump supporters and not all Trump supporters are Republican.

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Nice try, but like high majority of the MSM they are on the left..

I’ll just borrow Stranger’s comment instead of re-inventing the wheel:

Upon what data are you basing this conclusion? Or is it just a general feeling you have from reading your right wing media bubbles?

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If Trump manages to tie up 37 electoral votes in legal limbo by Jan. 6,

ah, the spirit of democracy is alive and well !

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So many boneheads, so little time.

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JJ,

That used to be true but not anymore. All trump supporters are GOP. And being in the GOP means that one must enable and be complicit with Trump's behavior. He wouldn't have been the nominee if they had stood up when the Access Hollywood tapes came out. But they didn't and have successively enabled him since.

There is no way, nada, zilch, possibility that the GOP is going to successfully say "We are not the party of Trump" and get away with it.

The GOP made it's bed. Now it gets to sleep in it.

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Nice try, but like high majority of the MSM they are on the left..

The Mueller report showed how Fox “news” altered their reporting based on demands from the Trump White House.

Now the right are calling Fox “news” left-wing. I do enjoy seeing the right turn upon its own. This also shows how extreme the right in America has become; they are so far right that fox “news” appears left, since they are too far to see any further left.

With that degree of distortion, how can America ever recover? I personally don’t think it can. The American empire is well on the decline.

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Here's the perfect example of Trump conning his supporters....

*In Arizona on Thursday, Trump attorney Kory Langhofer conceded that he was “not alleging fraud” or “that anyone is stealing the election” — in direct contradiction with Trump’s repeated public claims that this was indeed what has happened in multiple states. Langhofer said the Trump legal team was simply raising concerns about a “limited number of cases” involving “good-faith errors.”*

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/it-goes-from-bad-to-worse-for-the-trump-legal-team/ar-BB1aZSen

His attorneys have no evidence to submit, so they are forced to admit they are “not alleging fraud” ....as he continues with the "stolen election" fairy tale...

Just one more Trump con-job pulled on his supporters...

When will they grow tired of bring played and wake up?

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And the final desperate plea by Trump supporters to state legislatures to arbitrarily choose Trump Electors in states Biden won, would be so anti-thetical to representative democracy, it is just fantastically stupid.

And the country would just become ungovernable. You wouldn't see a couple thousand middle-aged white folks chanting a 3 word lie over and over. You would see the majority bring the nation to a hault.

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Upon what data are you basing this conclusion? Or is it just a general feeling you have from reading your right wing media bubbles?

https://www.conservativenewsdaily.com/violent-left-terrorizes-dc-blm-thug-holding-trump-pence-out-now-sign-sucker-punches-knocks-out-white-male-from-behind-video/

People can read and watch videos too. If you think attacking and sucker punching someone wearing a shirt you don't like, maybe you need help too. Please do tell why Antifa does not exist?

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Nomination,

How about the trump supporter that attacked 2 elderly people holding Biden signs with a golf club?

You going to talk about how there isn't violence among your ilk?

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Sickening footage coming in of thug Trump supporters bashing a Black woman and leaving her unconscious on the street. These animals are not going to accept defeat, and will lash out at anyone that disagrees with them.

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A protest?

How many stores were looted? None, you say?

How many businesses were burned down? None, you say?

Well, how many windows were broken, monuments defaced, and police officers attacked? None?

Hmm...it sounds like Americans who support Trump as president, and where freedom of speech is protected, are better than a Biden Antifa/BLM extremists’ America.

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Need to dig up my old college copy of Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer" to make sense of this. I do remember this quote from Pascal, at the beginning: “Man would fain be great and sees that he is little; would fain be happy and sees that he is miserable; would fain be perfect and sees that he is full of imperfections; would fain be the object of the love and esteem of men, and sees that his faults merit only their aversion and contempt. The embarrassment wherein he finds himself produces in him the most unjust and criminal passions imaginable, for he conceives a mortal hatred against that truth which blames him and convinces him of his faults.”

  

– Blaise Pascal, Pensees

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Hard to go on a looting rampage when you only have about seven people show up...

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Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth.

Quoting you there Rolf. Remember that one?

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P. Smith

This is exactly why Trump loves the poorly educated; they are easily manipulated, which we see every day.

How do you know the protesters are "poorly educated"?

You do not, perhaps, define "well educated" as "believing corporate media uncritically"?

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Strangerland

Now the right are calling Fox “news” left-wing. I do enjoy seeing the right turn upon its own. This also shows how extreme the right in America has become; they are so far right that fox “news” appears left, since they are too far to see any further left.

The shift of Fox News towards the swamp side since the management changed from the old owner has been a topic for some time. That you do not know about it shows only that you limit yourself to your information bubble.

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How do you know the protesters are "poorly educated"?

They’ve been manipulated by Trump to believe the election was fraudulent despite the lack of evidence it was and the mountains of evidence that fraud is not an issue in US elections.

You do not, perhaps, define "well educated" as "believing corporate media uncritically"?

No, I define well educated as having the ability to think for yourself whilst accepting facts (no fraud in this election) and logic.

Before you start in on “there is plenty of evidence of fraud, but the MSM is burying it,” please remember that that is simply an assertion unless you have cites to reputable sources.

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The shift of Fox News towards the swamp side since the management changed from the old owner has been a topic for some time.

Cites?

That you do not know about it shows only that you limit yourself to your information bubble.

Unless you provide cites, you’re simply making assertions.

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The learning process takes a little time to realize that the old world, U.S. and Europe is now almost replaced into Hispanic, African, Arab territory as forced and wished for by themselves. Say goodbye to civilization as you were used to know it. It hurts, yes, and it should even hurt harder to all those ignorant idiots who now wake up when it’s much too late.

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P. SmithToday  06:40 am JST

This is exactly why Trump loves the poorly educated; they are easily manipulated, which we see every day.

Does anyone find this comment belittling and offensive? I watched a Harvard Neurosurgeon at prestigious hospital in Maryland make a compelling argument about voter misconduct in swing states on YouTube at the Trump support gathering in DC. He did made a good argument and would consider him well spoken and extremely educated.

Poorly educated this reader writes. Offensive! I supported party and Trump. I did Proudly. I disagree with some of his policies as well and have been super critical of Trump's public speaking and lying. He could do better. But to classify us all as poorly educated who support the man?

@ P.Smith, did you not learn anything from Clinton's deplorable basket generalization on American citizens?

Am I to be considered poorly educated? I guess BLM and Antifa are highly educated?

Here is the deal. The country is split 50/50. Democrats better get used to the fact that half us do not want your politicking genre of the modern times. It stinks. Rancid.

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For the majority of Trump backers and others in the far right no evidence reported by what they call the 'MSM' nor from the government is believed anymore. 

There is, but the msm just carries the mic... for now.

Instead they believe what a serial liar like Trump says

They definitely don’t believe the....so called integrity of what the media claim to be. Lol

and what's reported by Hannity, Alex Jones, Breitbart, RT, Gateway Pundit, some random poster on 8chan and other fringe/wack sites writes.

And those conservatives will get bigger and louder to counter the radical left sites now more than ever, already happening

Instead of believing what a 'mainstream' journal like Lancet or the New England Journal of Medicine reports they'll believe what Qanon says.

Well, when the msm tries to silence opposing viewpoints on every level, it makes sense and that won’t go away, 120 million people have the absolute right to be heard and if not they’ll use other venues and conspiracy theories will grow if people are kept in the dark, especially as liberals are not and never have been transparent.

And they're heavily armed.

Very true

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He will live out his remaining days tormented by his failure, trying to stave off prison and financial ruin and fomenting on Newsmax and OAN. Every year that goes by he will be a more disgraced figure. A cold, fraught and miserable post Presidency.

Another gem!!!

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Here is the deal. The country is split 50/50. Democrats better get used to the fact that half us do not want your politicking genre of the modern times. It stinks. Rancid.

Fake News. It’s 50/49. That’s the deal. Get used to it.

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Fake News. It’s 50/49. That’s the deal. Get used to it.

So 50% of conservatives are in the right, seems accurate

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The trump militia was out on the streets today with all their ugliness and bigotry loud and clear.

trump gave them a drive past, but didn’t have the courage to step out of his mobile bunker.

This is what trump wants for America.

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P. SmithToday 

They’ve been manipulated by Trump to believe the election was fraudulent despite the lack of evidence it was and the mountains of evidence that fraud is not an issue in US elections.

Gee, the power of Trump to manipulate seems impressive. How does he do that, seeing that he has a thoroughly adversarial press. And it is interesting to learn that fraud is not an issue in US elections .... after being lectured for 4 years about "Russian interference" and some such. When did the narrative change?

Before you start in on “there is plenty of evidence of fraud, but the MSM is burying it,” please remember that that is simply an assertion unless you have cites to reputable sources.

You can look at the law suits in various states. Reams of witness reports, given as sworn affadafits. And you can look at independent data audits. Are you surprised that Twitter and Fakebook are censoring discussions about Benfords law?

But yes, if you consume only CNN, NYT, MSN etc all that would be blanked out in your bubble.

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Accepting defeat is hard for the followers of trump, though all he has done in his life is get defeated!!!!

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The country is split 50/50.

51/47 already.

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I am looking forward to more of the rudy press conferences though.

Each one is more hilarious than the one before!!!!

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You can pick any ratio you want. There is a majority of American citizens that will vote into office.

Cruz-Gowdy 2024.

I will stake my life on it.

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Accepting defeat is hard

We got the Senate so we’re good.

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