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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.Trump's former lawyer Cohen calls him 'racist, conman, cheat'
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Chip Star
If Cohen has corroborating evidence to support his assertions, his felony conviction for dishonesty is not as damaging as the Trumpophiles will be screeching on this thread.
Let the games begin!
yamada1043
You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. The jig’s up Mr. Trump.
Laguna
Creepy when someone refers to himself in the third person. But as Chip says, documentation doesn't lie. And then there were allusions to crimes he was not at liberty to discuss. Little has sunk in yet, but this is devastating.
Jimizo
One compulsive liar testifying against another compulsive liar.
Check everything these two swamp creature say.
PTownsend
“... ran for office to make his brand great, not to make our country great”
Nutshell. And now trump’s in Vietnam pushing his and Ivanka’s brand names. All expenses paid by theUS taxpayers. Has Trump released his current tax info so the public can learn about his numerous investments?
I wonder if trump will re-tell his stories about avoiding STDs while his daddy was paying for his military deferments so he and his fellow privileged class wouldn’t have to serve their country but still live large off their daddies investments in war industries.
jcapan
These attributes are a big part of his appeal to many of his supporters. And as Jimizo says, Cohen was perfectly happy to cash this "racist, conman, & cheat's" paychecks for years. Obviously, if there is evidence substantiating these claims, great, but let's all agree Cohen is a dung beetle.
Dango bong
were we expecting a fired employee to say GOOD things about the boss who fired him?
Chip Star
This was only in dispute when Trumpophiles were singing Cohen's praise.
FizzBit
Trump's former lawyer Cohen calls him 'racist, conman, cheat'
Yeah! Look at that headline
MSM / Dem / Lanny Davis success!
Whada friggen circus.
Blacklabel
I have lied but I am not a liar. Says the star witness who was coached by Dems on the committee prior to his testimony.
Still never been to Prague. Still no collusion. Still Cohen reporting to jail.
Chip Star
Making a judgment with a conspiracy theory-oriented mind.
Look, another conspiracy theorist. When we have zero facts, we just toss out a conspiracy theory.
Blacklabel
his statement that he isn’t a liar and that he met with Cummings and Schiff before his testimony are established in his testimony. It is he lying again?
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Blacklabel
You really gotta stop screaming conspiracy theory about things a 30 second google search can prove to be true. And no one is outraged and the only thing manufactured is cohens lies before that all comes up again.
Ah_so
Nice to hear an associate of Trump tell the truth for once.
Rare things happen.
Chip Star
Odd that you'd make this statement but fail to provide a link.
See the very first post on the thread.
Chip Star
Nice link that demonstrates zero coaching occurred.
M3M3M3
On a historical note, this was apparently the first time that someone convicted of lying to congress has been invited back to testify before congress.
Concerned Citizen
Meanwhile, the economy is booming, unemployment is at record lows and previously struggling citizens are prospering.
Bintaro
So, Trump's a criminal. What else is new ?
Tokyo-Engr
It sounds like all interesting stuff and a reiteration of what we already know. I do not like Trump but the rumors/allegations do not do much for me. He provides enough evidence himself to indicate he is really not fit to be President.
I am interested in hard evidence (for example the actual checks being presented, etc.)
https://www.axios.com/michael-cohen-house-oversight-hearing-donald-trump-check-ce7e71bd-15fc-4bf5-b50a-8d6e581603fe.html
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/michael-cohen-to-reportedly-produce-second-hush-money-check-signed-by-donald-trump-jr/
No matter how you look at it (whether it is an honest and true investigation or a so-called "witch hunt") none of this is good for the U.S. or the citizenry.
SimondB
You might want to check your facts on that. Key words are: "lying to congress", "GWH Bush", "sacked" and "US representative to Venezuela".
SimondB
And trains ran on time under Mussolini.
Blacklabel
Spoke in advance with Dems about what topics would be covered. Didn’t do the same with Repubs. That’s what he testified and what the link shows. Not enough for you? Why would he need to talk to them before a public hearing to answer their questions and discuss “topics”? Making dinner reservations?
Nope, coaching. Be ready for this question, don’t worry about that question. Obvious.
So cohen still lying about Prague?
Aly Rustom
Trump's former lawyer Cohen calls him 'racist, conman, cheat'
Ouch!!
CrazyJoe
Old right-wing taunt: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and associates only with ducks, it must be a duck. President T walks and talks like a crook, and all of his associates are crooks. He is in fact a crook.
It's not just Cohen's testimony, it corroborates Weisselberg info and he has documents! The WH, the RNC and the GOP will all his testimony but the American people will have to make up their own minds.
Blacklabel
The “racist” allegation was especially weak and unproven by any evidence. Spent thousands of hours together and all you have is one supposed remark that you as a convicted liar expect people to believe?
Toasted Heretic
Heh, beat me to it, SimondB. The spin and deflection from the Trumpists will be turned up to the max today.
The revelations are not all new but they do highlight the sheer gall of the criminals in power.
SuperLib
See what happens when you lie to cover for Trump?
bass4funk
That was fun! So basically we really didn’t learn anything from this Democrat led Operatic piece. For the TDS haters nothing has changed you’re still going to hate the guy, if you’re a supporter, it won’t change a darn thing, you’ll find it amusing watching a habitual liar compose.
Thank you!
JJ Jetplane
At the end of the day Cohen was a huge disappointment. The only thing he did was reconfirm everything we already knew about Trump and added no extra value.
Trumps character flaws were always common knowledge and this guy is just wasting time to either delay his prison term or to remain relevant.
Laguna
Cohen, in response to GOP ad hominem attacks, stated:
Perhaps Cohen has achieved a sort of peace through his travails. But again, the question is how many will be so foolish to allow themselves to be taken down with him.
Toasted Heretic
The sickly fraudster and draft dodger PotUS used his charity's money to buy a portrait of himsel, according to Cohen. The sheer vanity and wrongness of this.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/27/michael-cohen-testimony-trump-painting-foundation-money
Trump Jr in jeopardy over that check to Stormy Daniels
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/27/donald-trump-jr-stormy-daniels-payment-michael-cohen-testimony-hearing-latest
And most importantly, Trump has always denied knowing about the hack of Democratic emails, but now we're getting closer to the truth:
Cohen is the first Trump associate to publicly allege that the president had inside information about WikiLeaks releasing Democratic emails, which US intelligence agencies say were hacked by Russian operatives working to help Trump’s campaign. Trump received the information on WikiLeaks in the days before the Democratic party convention July 2016 in a telephone call from Roger Stone, his longtime friend and adviser, according to Cohen, who said the call was placed on speakerphone.
NZ2011
Trump supporters don't care, so blinded by their allegiance to whatever the cause is supposed to be he could literally do anything and they would say but about Hillary or something similar.
He is gross and horrible but thats what people voted for and got. I can only hope the dems don't split their support too much and put up a good candidate and win next round.
People have to start being interested in whats actually true, because this opinion as fact make your own interpretation is dragging the entire world down, and unfortunately that problem is bad on both "sides".
Deadforgood
He presented evidence of Trump violating campaign finance laws. It's pretty simple to understand. Since the trump supporters are 100% clear in their opinion that Trump should be protected from legal prosecution and can do things like this, they must also agree that Trump should be allowed to shoot someone in the face on national tv and continue to walk free. A crime is a crime, doesn't matter who you are.
Deadforgood
Either way, Cummings has stated that he believes Cohen and that Trump has committed crimes. He also said he would be "effective and efficient" in dealing with Trump's prosecution. Take that however you like it, Trump's gonna have a hard time getting out of this one.
lincolnman
This testimony was great - more entertaining than any episode of The Apprentice...
Cohen: "I am ashamed because I know what Mr. Trump is. He is a racist. He is a conman. He is a cheat,"
Ann Coulter: "He's an idiot, lazy, incompetent, and a wimp"...
Rex Tilltertson: "He's a ____moron"...
Gen MCMaster: "He's an idiot and a dope"
Gen Mattis: "He has the understanding of a fifth or sixth grader"....
Gen Kelly: 'He's a danger to the republic" and "unhinged"...
Bannon: "He's like an 11 year old child"...
These folks that know or or have worked for Trump sure have nailed his character...
And Cohen implicated him in at least five felonies today - and that was that only on the topics he was allowed by Mueller and the US Southern District Attorney to testify on...
Dimwit Donnie is in deep doo-doo...
arrestpaul
You've summed up todays performance by Cohen. Cohen was, is, and will forever be, a proven liar. Elected Democrats staged todays circus as a continuation of their "resist" movement. What can Cohen expect in exchange for todays performance? A shorter sentence? A cell with a window? A movie, or book, deal?
SuperLib
Lots and lots and lots is my guess.
I can't imagine any opinions were changed today. Everyone already knew Trump was a racist, scammer, and a liar. We just have a certain section of Americans that are able to put that aside, and others who won't. That's all it really boils down to.
Toasted Heretic
There's evidence on camera of Trump being racist to Mexicans, migrants, Native Americans, Muslims. We've all seen it.
This isn't going to go away, you know.
gelendestrasse
I don't know about racist so much but birds of a feather flock together. You can say the same thing about most everybody in DC.
Toasted Heretic
Ah yes, the book deal. The Trumpist echo chamber is strong today.
Or should I say, desperate?
arrestpaul
Or should I say, desperate?
Cohen himself mentioned that there have been discussion about movie and book deals.
Maybe Cohen was lying when he testified that there had been discussions about movie and book deals?
Simon Foston
LagunaToday 09:10 am JST
It's been observed that ad hominem attacks was just about all the GOP had:
Wolfpack
Hillarious testimony to Congress today by Cohen. He is going to jail because he lied to Congress - right? Hope he is careful picking up the soap in the shower. I think Trump just picked up two percentage points in the vote in 2020.
Wolfpack
Cohen lie to Congress? Say it ain’t so!
Kestrel
Dems /leftys clutching at straws and “wanting to believe”.
Cohen is a proven liar. Credibility zero.
A circus sideshow for the credibly challenged.
Wakarimasen
He has an honest face and came across as trustworthy and sincere........
Blacklabel
Prague? Your whole dossier our the window.
trump wasn’t even trying to win, just brand exposure. There goes your collusion with Russia. Cohen has no proof of it, just suspicions.
trump directed Cohen lie to congress. Nope.
cohen didn’t want to be chief of staff. Lie- he did.
WikiLeaks publicly announced they had mails well before the date of supposed phone call. Too bad.
cohen also testified to a new personal crime he hadn’t been charged with yet. Classic.
arrestpaul
Still no evidence of "collusion", or Russian blackmail, no obstruction of justice, no love child, no drug use, or confirmation of Cohen's having visited Prague or anywhere else in the Czech Republic. Elected Democrats have really become desperate. Their years of investigations have failed to actually produce any actual evidence that they could use to impeach Trump.
Todays lead witness for the Democrats is a proven liar. It's proven that Cohen has lied to Congress before, so Democrat members of Congress decided it would be good idea to give Cohen yet another chance to lie to Congress. Did Democrats actually believe that Cohen's testimony would give credibility to their hearing?
Serrano
Cohen, the Republican president's onetime "fixer," said he had no direct evidence that Trump colluded with Moscow
Yet another dud! Who woulda thought!
Everyone already knew Trump was a racist, scammer, and a liar. We just have a certain section of Americans that are able to put that aside, and others who won't. That's all it really boils down to.
We just have a certain section of people who say that over and over again, refusing to admit that's not true. That's what it really boils down to.
8T
The truth shall set you free. but he is NOT free, He is a convicted liar that will be going to prison soon, and President Trump will still be in the Oval Office "Making America Great Again" !! This is not spin, this is reality! Wake up Dems, Why didn't Pelosi participate in this charade??? Soul search Democrats, maybe you can figure that one out by yourself.
SuperLib
Article from the left about the GOP at the hearing. Nice writing:
The Republican Party Completely and Utterly Disgraced Itself at Michael Cohen's Hearing
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a26558985/republicans-michael-cohen-hearing-disgrace-trump/
"For two years, you want to talk about an agenda, my friends on the other side (Republicans) refused to bring any of these people up before the committee. Today, for the first day, we have one witness who voluntarily is coming forward to testify. Your side ran away from the truth and we're trying to bring it to the American people."
Toasted Heretic
As I said, the desperation.
It's sad, bigly sad, that this is the focus of Trumpists today. Not the hush money, the Democrat hack, the charity funds, the racism, or any of the other major points made - but a book or movie deal.
As predicted, the spin and deflection from the Trumpists will be turned up to the max today.
M3M3M3
@SimondB
Elliot Abrams comes close to being the first convicted liar to reappear before congress, but not quite. Unlike Cohen, Abrams was never actually charged or convicted of perjury for his prior congressional testimony (even though he probably could have). Abrams only plead guilty to a misdemeanor of 'willful failure to answer questions pertinent to a Congressional inquiry'.
Strangerland
Very telling that the Trumpets love a liar when he's their liar, but then claim the person cannot be trusted when the liar turns.
They don't have a problem with liars, they have a problem with people who stop lying for their team.
Toasted Heretic
Yes, all the more reason to hear his testimony before he's out of sight.
Nobody, not one single Trumpist has been able to tell me what this mindless mantra actually means.
I can only guess that it means keep the citizens diverted whilst the elite shaft them, repeatedly.
Hard to believe some Americans are proud of this criminal PotUS and his organisation.
Strangerland
The Trumpets sure are getting more vocal in their insistence there is nothing there, even within the tsunami of information that shows there definitely was.
Yet these people went on a years long mission to claim Hillary was guilty, even when their own committees repeatedly found there is nothing.
They have shown themselves to be entirely pathetic examples of humanity. The stuff I scrape off my shoe when not paying attention while walking through the dog park has more integrity than these people.
Deadforgood
Its incredibly mind boggling, Trump supporters claim everything damaging Cohen said a lie and everything that proves innocence the truth. What do you people actually believe? You can't just pick and choose, Is it all lies? Or is it the truth? If its all lies, then Trump didn't partake in campaign finance violations but he was involved in conspiring with Russia to win the presidency. If its all truth, that means Trump violated campaign finance laws and Cohen never went to Prague and the only thing convicting Trump of Russian collusion could be a testimony from Stone or something in the Mueller report (which we don't know yet). So take your pick, either way, Trump's a criminal.
Deadforgood
Did any of the Trump supporters on here actually watch the entire hearing? It is absolutely amazing to see the Republican party deny anything presented by Cohen, even when the actual evidence is presented before their eyes. The fear in their voices is astounding.
rainyday
Fair enough. But he did call Trump a racist, a conman and a cheat, which we know to be true due to the overwhelming amount of publicly available corroborating evidence.. So at least some of what he is saying seems reliable, though I agree that we have to take the stuff that can't be supported by such an overwhelming amount of verifiable evidence should be treated with skepticism.
theFu
But people aren't criminals until they are found guilty in a court of law, so which criminal case did Trump lose? I don't see any guilty findings for Trump.
OTOH, this same definition helps people illegally crossing into the USA.
Serrano
And Cohen implicated him in at least five felonies today
And how much credibility does Cohen have at this point?
arrestpaul
Spin it all you want, but there were no "other major points made". Cohen actually did testify that movie and book deals were discussed. Cohen said it, and you deny it. Who should I believe?
arrestpaul
What is know is that Cohen is a proven liar and that he is going to prison. Will the Mueller report validate any of the claims made by Cohen today? Or should Democrats just assume that the proven liar Cohen was totally honest today?
lincolnman
Cohen has no credibility - he's a disgusting sleeze bag - you know, just like Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Stone, Zinke, Price, Sessions, etc. etc. Almost everyone who works with Trump is a disgusting sleeze bag - it's a requirement in the job description - gotta match the boss...
It's not about Cohen - it's about the tapes, hard drives, documents, videos - all the stuff that was hauled out of Cohen's house...
You know, the raid where Trump said; “So I just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys — a good man. And it’s a disgraceful situation."
Get ready for more disgrace Mr President....
bass4funk
How is he racist? I don’t know if you’ve ever been to the States, but if you go to California and see how Mexicans are treated and how they live in many high crime cities throughout the State will see how disastrous Democrat policies have been towards Blacks and Latinos. Sacramento is where the real racists run the State.
vic.M
" Cohen " The clue is in the name.
Deadforgood
What are you guys talking about? There is evidence of campaign finance violations. That's proven today. What's left, whether or not there was collusion with Russia, is left up to the Mueller report. There is no more need to validate the fact that Trump violated campaign finance laws. But you don't care about him committing crimes, do you?
Deadforgood
The felonies he implicated him in are backed with hard evidence. Cohen's credibility has nothing to do with that. Keep grasping at the air, you'll not get a hold of anything.
rainyday
Because of the racist things he says and the racist things he does.
arrestpaul
Proven by whom? Cohen the proven liar? Elected Democrats are really, really, hoping for something, anything, that will allow them to proceed with a motion to impeach Trump. The only things the Democrats are missing are actual facts, and credibility.
bass4funk
Yes, personal finances, yeah, try running with that, so what else?
I agree.
No one cared about Democrat collusion or even when they lied under oath? So we don’t make rules for one group and the other group we turn our heads or because one party thinks they have the right demand accountability for the other. No collusion, so now what?
bass4funk
Ohhhhh.....yes, it does. It has everything to do with this credibility, you think that the Democrats care about Cohen? Of course they don’t. There was nothing new that we learn today that we don’t already know that is really a shocker, the spectacle was designed purely for the entertainment and shock and awe for the Democrats and Trump haters and nothing more.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Anonymous
Did he miss any buttons?
Cohen is a very, very bitter man and eminently untrustworthy.
Deadforgood
Uh, the documents and exhibits presented in court. Even if the word of Cohen can't be trusted, signed checks and statements from Trump can be...
SuperLib
Yeah, not much. We already knew Trump slept with a porn star and lied and paid her off, and that he knew Stone was talking with the Russians and Assange, and that he's racist
It's pretty much a broken record how trashy this President is.
Sneezy
"The president committed campaign finance crimes in his personal capacity" isn't the silver bullet you seem to think it is.
Deadforgood
Trump supporter tears coming soon. Enjoy it, guys. You don't have much time left with your master.
Texas A&M Aggie
A guy about to go to prison for, among other things, lying to the Senate is now the Senate's BFF who has once again perjured himself in this hearing? Man, the reek of desperation from the dems was pouring out the TV screens and onto the living room floors across America today.
JenniSchiebel
If he thinks Trump was such a racist, conman, and cheat, then why did he work for him for so long?
He's a man guilty of crimes who is now trying to save himself or at least reduce his own punishment. That's what I believe, anyway.
Deadforgood
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Stormy allegations arose before the elections. You have no idea what Mueller has, because none of us do. Trump supporters seemed a lot angrier about Cohen testifying than dems when trump won. The GOP is getting beat up by the dems, and you guys can't handle it (or the truth).
Deadforgood
I think you mean the GOP. Republicans denying and trying to throw everything out the window while Cummings just told them to be quiet and listen.
bass4funk
This is very true, but at the same time you are not talking about crimes to have anything to do with Russia, they may have to do with maybe some campaign finance crimes, but not big enough to get the president kicked out of office. It was a great show but once again another failure for the Democrats, they didn’t sway any minds.
Yes, that is not the best thing to do it you never be encouraged, so now how does that have anything to do with Russia?
How do you know he knew? How can you prove it? Stone said no and Cohen said, yes...both seem to have problems with lying, so what’s your point?
So are most Democrats and their polices overtly racist. So once again, what’s your point?
And the Democrats even more so. What a waste of time this all was. If I were poor, I’d be really mad to see my money go for this sideshow Democrat water down Cirque du Soleil show.
bass4funk
If I could get $100 for each time I keep hearing that, I could buy a boat now
SuperLib
He’s already been stentenced. His best move would be to appease Trump and hope for a pardon.
Deadforgood
I think if you actually watched the hearing, you would have an answer to your question...and there is no reduced sentence, nor was anything like that even on the table. This hearing was only an opportunity to present criminal evidence to the country and final words from Cohen. He was subpoenaed to the court, criminals subpoenaed aren't ever there to save themselves as its involuntary.
SuperLib
Hahahahahhaah. Sure, he’s a criminal, but what does that have to do with Russia?
SuperLib
Hahahahahahaha
Deadforgood
Bass
You keep trying to twist it. I never said the campaign finance violations were tied to collusion with Russia. They are separate crimes. And it would seem that Cummings is interested in investigating deeper into Trumps campaign finance violations now.
Again, no clue about Russian collusion. Except it seems likely, but remains to be proven.
P.S. If i had a penny for every time I heard you guys say witch hunt, I would have 2 boats.
Deadforgood
This isn't the first time he has defended Trump's crimes while admitting they are crimes. Won't be the last either, I'm certain.
Laguna
For the record: Cohen was specifically prohibited from discussing issues related to the Mueller investigation.
The SDNY - that's a different story. Trump Jr's got serious problems now, and Trump in 2021.
Deadforgood
Yea, I reckon Jr. and that weisselberg feller get subpoenaed next by the SDNY. Weisselberg has immunity too, Jr. however...does not. He's too much of a pu55y though to lie to the SDNY. Especially when Weisselberg has no reason to and its his word that will win against JR.'s.
Sneezy
People need money.
Jimizo
Trump supporters avoid the obvious question of why Trump hired a thuggish, compulsive liar and kept him on and close for all those years.
The number of dodgy characters and liars surrounding Trump is mind blowing. This should raise suspicion even in the slowest of minds.
Tell me what company you keep and I’ll tell you what you are.
Texas A&M Aggie
A telling sign of just how pathetic this Stalinist-like show trial was when CNN had to admit Cohen lied under oath.
So much for the MSM's "Bombshell" No. 12,158
cleo
Birds of a feather.
Tweet, tweet.
Raw Beer
Why would anyone doubt this established liar mob lawyer?
Sneezy
There are lots of reasons to doubt Cohen. However, when he has physical evidence to support what he says, he can be believed. Trump is a notorious liar, but if he said "drinking water is good for you, I have studies here that prove it", I'd believe him.
Tokyo-Engr
Well this is certainly interesting....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6752221/Gambino-mob-heir-predicts-Michael-Cohen-WHACKED-prison.html
commanteer
This sort of language is starting to sound creepily like the forced denunciations of the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Ironic that as China rises, the US falls into the same sort of insanity.
Goodlucktoyou
He was voted by the majority of Americans. It’s a democracy, not China or Saudi or Russia. If he is a racist, it is the will of Americans, not Iran or Pakistan. It’s america. If he is a liar, and the majority support him, then except the fact that it is the norm. If he was elected fairly as a conman, by the majority, except the fact. He may or may not be a conman, but American economy is growing big time from this strategy. What is wrong with conning people for personal gain. He won.
starpunk
Hmm, making bans on immigration from 'Islamic' nations, not giving aid on time for Puerto Rico, howling + crying that Hispanics are thieves, welfare suckers + rapists, crying to build a Berlin-type wall on the Mexican border, gas attacks on migrants, kidnapping migrant children (and they will DIE in the concentration camps), he calls them 'animals', lipping off about blacks, rooting for KKK/Nazi trash, ticking off Native Americans, ticking off Jews, badmouthing Africans + Haitians, talking boorish racist talk at G8 summit, need I say more?
Toasted Heretic
A telling sign of the sheer depths of nonsense the Trumpists can go to, when cornered.
It's an alt-right thing, these last few years to divert, deflect and bring in all manner of bobbins to the mix when their man is under fire.
Expect much more surreality as the net closes in.
Strangerland
If nothing Cohen says can be believed because he has lied in the past, then the same is true of Trump.
Tell me Trumpets, how will you twist this above point? How do you justify believing Trump, someone who has been proven to lie, and disbelieving Cohen, whom you claim cannot be trusted because he has lied?
Toasted Heretic
B-b-because the Dems/liberals/Stalinists etc
lincolnman
And there ladies and gentlemen, for all to see, is an admission of the Republican pact with the devil...
"We don't care if he's a racist, a liar, or a con-man, he's our racist liar con-man...."
If the poster meant this as satire, please let us know...
Strangerland
No he wasn't. He wasn't even voted for by the majority of voters, much less Americans.
Jimizo
Why would anyone hire this established liar mob lawyer?
WilliB
From seeing parts of this on CNN and reading the corporate media accounts, what I see is lots of wild accusations and no evidence. And seeing how virulently anti Trump the media are, I am confident if there was any evidence they would gleefully show it.
So, TDS continues. What else is new.
FizzBit
Better to have a conspiracy theory-oriented mind than be a closet autocratic.
Laguna
Goodlucktoyou: even win a plurality.
Trump did not win a majority of American votes. He did not even win a plurality. But your statement does typify current GOP thinking.
lincolnman
Well, just from my experience, it kinda goes like this...
Trump never lies....
He's the perfect example of a faithfull husband....
All his people are "the best"....
He's a genius....
He's a war hero....
Ann Coulter loves him....
He never hires illegal immigrants....
You can always count on it when he says; "Mark my words"....
Strangerland
Hmm, well this discrepancy between what you are comprehending and what is reality is concerning.
Texas A&M Aggie
Cohen had nothing "BREAKING NEWS" worthy to offer his newest oldest BFF, the democrats, to help him from being packed off to prison in about two months.
What the anti-Trumpkins don't realize is that their high hopes of Cohen's testimony rapidly turned into a dumpster for their beloved superiors within democrat party.
Toasted Heretic
As I said earlier,
... most importantly, Trump has always denied knowing about the hack of Democratic emails, but now we're getting closer to the truth:
Cohen is the first Trump associate to publicly allege that the president had inside information about WikiLeaks releasing Democratic emails, which US intelligence agencies say were hacked by Russian operatives working to help Trump’s campaign. Trump received the information on WikiLeaks in the days before the Democratic party convention July 2016 in a telephone call from Roger Stone, his longtime friend and adviser, according to Cohen, who said the call was placed on speakerphone.
You can spin it all you like, but your dear leader is bad news. And with more and more of his associates going down or turning, he's not going to come out of the whole mess unscathed.
That's how you take down a crime boss, get the business associates and other members of the family to go on the record.
Kestrel
Dianne Feinstein was just asked if she is listening to Cohen’s ‘testimony’.
She replied, “He has a credibility problem.”
Deadforgood
You do realize nobody takes you seriously, Right?
Cohen's testimony will lead to Trump Jr. and Ivanka. Without immunity, they are likely to contradict each other, and the statements from Weisselberg. Unless they tell the truth about their daddy.
Deadforgood
Yea, we all agree. What's your point?
Cohen is a liar, so is Trump. Cohen brought evidence proving campaign finance violations and more leads tying the entire Trump family to Russian collusion (The evidence does not have a credibility problem). Innocent till proven guilty, Trump is still good to go, until his kids and/or Weisselberg "rat" him out.
Strangerland
And I'm sure she'd reply the same about Trump. You seem to be agreeing with her on this, so you would also agree Trump has a credibility problem, correct?
Seems the Trumpets are ignoring this little bit of logic when I post it. Hmm, I wonder why...
Deadforgood
Keep diggin, Kestrel. It's pretty easy to give 4,000 examples of Trump lying.
bass4funk
I have the answer. Lanny Davis. That closing statement sounded really like textbook Lanny. I had to bust out laughing. Oh, the Clinton tentacles always multiple.
Actually from Lanny, but it doesn’t matter, Cohen will be gone and not soon enough.
BS! Yes, he is. Cohen knew he was in very deep deep mess and with all the lawyers in NYC that want his scalp, the logical thing for him to do is to hire a lawyer that is deeply connected in the second most liberal State, a State that overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton and the logical person to hire for that would be the person most closest to her Lanny Davis. Hiring Lanny would be very crucial since he has the know-how and influence that he could work out a deal where that maybe if he can testify, then he could probably get his sentence reduced or maybe do year time served on good behavior. That’s the real reason why Cohen is doing this.
bass4funk
Even Smollett could have given a better performance, that was just painfully pathetic. Not only is she a crappy lawyer, but he should never ever think about getting into acting.
lincolnman
What always fascinates me is the binary/black and white world Trumpers live in;
Trumpers: Cohen is a liar, he's a skunk, a con-man....
Anti-Trumpers: Yep, all that's true...
Trumpers: Wait, wait....we hate him so you have to love him - that's how the Universe works....
Anti-Trumpers: No, we think he's a sleezeball too - just like everyone that is associated with Trump....
Trumpers: Wait, wait...you can't hate him, the world.....doesn't....work.......way.....
Anti-Trumpers: And did you hear Ann Coulter called Trump an idiot, lazy, incompetent and a wimp?
Trumpers: But .....she's.....a.......conservative..... icon.....it ......doesn't.....work.......that.....
Then the aneurysm hits....
Deadforgood
Nothing Cohen could say would convince them to reduce his sentence. Lanny Davis' role is simply to help the Democratic party in prosecuting Trump of crimes he committed. Not cutting a deal with Cohen. Whoever told you that, is a dunce. You always accuse people here of speaking for Trump, "knowing whats in his head". Now you are the one doing it, claiming you know his reasons for testifying. FYI, Cohen was refusing to testify. He was subpoenaed, or do you now understand what that means?
bass4funk
Yeah, you can think that, I think this entire spectacle with Cohen was an even bigger one.
I’ve been over the last 25 more than 2 dozen times, yes, that is exactly what is going on. I’ve seen with so many high profile cases.
ROFL!
I’m not claiming to know what is in the man’s head, forgot sakes, I don’t want to get into his head, but I can say this the man has a family and the man is going to do whatever he has to do which came from his own mouth and to take care of them and that includes trying to get a sentence reduced, that’s common sense. Come on now....
Of course he refused and yet very good reason to do so, but when you have somebody like Davis representing you a lot of things can change, a lot. You can believe that crap, I don’t want and with over 3000 lawyers in the New York City area you have some of the best and top and most respected lawyers that the city has to offer and, he gets Lanny Davis. Hillary’s best, best friend and a woman that ran against the president? Yeah, I’m not stupid.
Jimizo
And Trump employed Michael Cohen.
bass4funk
And Cohen was a shady of a lawyer as they come, but then again most lawyers are.....
Sneezy
You have no idea what you're talking about. Cohen's sentence has already been passed, it can't be reduced based on this. I know that you're merely a journalist (or is it a businessman? I can never keep it straight - which is to say, you can't) but you have no idea what the law is or how it works. So stop trying to comment on it.
1glenn
It seems like every day that passes brings us new information about Trumps illegal and immoral behavior. I suspect that as soon as he is out of office, he will be swamped with criminal indictments.
Deadforgood
Lol, this is good.
Most lawyers aren't shady. I think you watch too much TV. Cohen was hired because he was a cut-throat, shady, law breaking, slimeball of a lawyer. That's why.
Deadforgood
Couldn't have said it better.
Kestrel
This Cohen debacle will go nowhere. Dems better come up with something else to talk about like the 94trillion dollar green new deal.
Deadforgood
Sure it will, and there's plenty more to go. Cummings official statement was that they would proceed with the evidence brought to light today, and that it would seem Trump committed a crime in office. Don't know how much kool-aid you have to drink to stoop to your levels of denial.
lincolnman
The parallels between Breaking Bad and Trump World always amazes me...
Walter White and Jesse Pinkman operate a criminal enterprise. At some point they needed a "criminal" lawyer to continue to assist and expand their empire. And they hire Saul Goodman...
Donnie hired his Saul Goodman 12 years ago - to help "fix" and expand his criminal empire...
Which highlights that the Mueller report will likely impeach Trump, but his serious jail time, and that for his family members, will come from the NY Southern District Attorney's Office investigation into the Trump Foundation.
The COO, Wiesselberg, has been in Trump World since the '70s - he was Fred Trump (Don's dad) personal accountant. He's knows where all the bodies are buried and he's been given an immunity deal...
Donnie, Don Jr, Eric, Jared, and likely Ivanka are all headed to Mar-A-Lockup.
bass4funk
Most liberals don’t know, anything to be honest and that spectacle was an example.
Doesn’t mean, Lanny can’t make a deal, Cohen said, he met with Spliff he other day, the Republicans didn’t know anything about it until the last minute. Actually, I do have an idea since I’ve seen it in action. Now if you want to believe the opposite, it’s a free world.
bass4funk
We just have a difference of an opinion, I deal with lawyers almost every other day, I disagree.
I work in it from time to time.
Lanny was hired because he was a cut-throat, shady, law breaking, slimeball of a lawyer. That's why.
Toasted Heretic
Which reminds me, I quite enjoyed the questions about all that money stumped up by taxpayers for Trump's leisure pursuits and golf clubs. Taxpayers built the Trumplinks course - $127 million. And Trump keeps every dollar that flows in. Like Briarcliff Manor.
Not to mention those pesky tax returns, inflated financial assets, deflated assets, fraud on his parents real estate holdings etc.
The elite, busy protecting their own, whilst the dear leader squanders your hard-earned monies.
Priceless.
commanteer
"Several seasoned attorneys who think Cohen might still dodge prison time. If he cooperates further, Mueller could invoke Federal Criminal Rule 35, which lets prosecutors ask for sentence reductions when defendants have helped the government after conviction. “It will depend largely on him,” said David Kris, a veteran of the Obama Justice Department and the founder of a consulting firm, Culper Partners".
Hey, but what do seasoned attorneys know?
bass4funk
If that were to happen the it would really underscore my point and that he’s doing all of this to get time shaved off from his prison sentence.
Apprantly, not much, just ask Cohen
Kestrel
Commanteer, exactly right.
Cohen is desperate to hit all the buttons the dems want him to. Hes a fraud and a liar.
Kangaroo inquiry. Those participating in this farce will be tarnishedby history and Pelosi and Feinstein know it.
Serrano
Donnie, Don Jr, Eric, Jared, and likely Ivanka are all headed to Mar-A-Lockup.
Not Leavenworth? lol
mukashiyokatta
Confirmation, then, of what all Americans knew already. And STILL they can't get that failed fake president out of the White House.
theFu
Uh, the documents and exhibits presented in court. Even if the word of
Cohen can't be trusted, signed checks and statements from Trump can
They showed the cheques on TV. They were from personal accounts. No business or campaign fund listed on the cheques, so while there may be other proof, we didn't see it today/yesterday.
Cohen: I'm not going down alone.
I'm still wondering what happened to client-lawyer privilege? Cohen is disbarred for talking. That is certain.
The truth will come out. Much will be embarassing to the President, but just like with HRC and the alleged things she did and didn't do, there will not be any actual proof.
arrestpaul
Why do you think you speak for all Americans? Do all Americans believe you speak for them? What the Democrats have failed to do is provide actual proof of their claims.
arrestpaul
Actually, Cohen's sentence CAN be reduced based on his co-operation. At least it can in America.
lincolnman
More generalization and stereotyping - it's how Trumpers think....
And if Trump had selected him for his legal team he'd be the most brilliant, talented and "best" lawyer ever....
Haven't you heard, Mar-A-Lockup is what they call Leavenworth now - given all the Trumpites that will be incarcerated there...
arrestpaul
That's what they keep saying, and have been saying for more than two years. Unfortunately for the Democrats, they can't seem to find any actual evidence to back up their claims. If the Democrats had any actual evidence, they would have presented that instead of trotting out a liar like Cohen for this dog-and-pony show. If Cohen is the best that they have, then their case is very, very, weak.
arrestpaul
If the Democrats had a better witness, or any other witness, they wouldn't have been so desperate as to paraded the convicted liar Cohen before this latest Congressional political circus.
Kestrel
Its a never ending Democrat hit job on the president. On and on it goes. Always moving the goalposts as their hopes for something to hang on President Trump vanish one by one.
Toasted Heretic
Trump, his family and associates are so deeply immersed in corruption, fraud, obstruction and intimidation - they are bound to come a cropper.
Cage the criminals.
Kestrel
@Toasted Heretic,
I see you dont scream collusion with Russia anymore.
Toasted Heretic
I tend not to scream when things are so blatantly evident. I wonder just what the sentence for selling out the US is?
Probably a lot more than Cohen's time.
There will be celebrations around the world when your crime family is deposed. And thoughts and prayers for the rehabilitation of his disciples.
Kestrel
@Toasted Heretic,
Obsession.
arrestpaul
Unfortunately for you, elected Democrats haven't been able to actually prove any criminal activity. What does the saying, "bound to come a cropper" mean?
Kestrel
Indeed, two years and counting with their hysterical witch hunt and all the leftys can come up with is President Trump is "bound to come a cropper".
Strangerland
Hmm, you somehow seem to be under the mistaken impression that the investigation should already have been concluded while the investigation is still in process.
Surely you can see the illogic in that.
Toasted Heretic
Not at all, I'm just countering the deflection. I've explained several times what the Trump organisation has got up to. For some reason, these posts are being removed.
Obstruction, Trump Tower meeting, the hack which Trump claimed he didn't know about, payments made to women, nepotism, associates going to jail, dodgy tax schemes, the Golf Links allegations, the charity monies.
These are a few of my favorite things.
1glenn
In other words, he is the kind of guy Republicans love.
arrestpaul
LOL. It's the Democrats who have been repeatedly claiming that they have FINALLY found the evidence that will allow them to impeach Trump. This has been going on for years, and the Democrats still haven't managed to produce actual results.
The Mueller tribunal will be released soon, and elected Democrats are already claiming that it won't be released to the public. This is before Congress, or the Justus Dept,, even has a chance to read it, let alone release it. Since it doesn't look like the Mueller report will be producing the expected results that the Democrat Party needs, the Democrats chose to give the convicted liar Cohen another chance to lie to Congress.
Strangerland
No, they haven't done that. Is that what they are telling you in the right-wing deep-state qanon fake news MSM bubble? You need to be more discerning, they lied to you.
And it seems like you are whining about people claiming things, while not addressing the fact that you claimed the investigation should have been concluded while the investigation is ongoing. Hypocrisy at its best.
Pukey2
Tell us something we didn't already know.
One telling thing is that the Democrats questioned Cohen about Trump but not one Republican was interested in doing the same thing. One even made a prop out of a black woman, and faked outrage that he could be thought of as a racist......rewind a few years, and this guy was giving a speech about sending Obama back to 'Kenya or wherever'.
Actually Trump has been the best thing ever to have to the Republican party. He is destroying it and dragging every backstabbing Republican politician into the swamp with him.
arrestpaul
And you would be mistaken. I never claimed that the investigation should be concluded while the investigation is ongoing. I'm in favor of investigations. All politicians should be made aware that they will be subject to a complete, and impartial, investigation. And, of course, that includes Hillary.
theFu
Saying someone is a crook is easy. Proving they are crooks is harder.
Over the last 50 yrs, there are examples of politicians in the State Dept and White House who were believed to have violated federal criminal laws, yet they didn't get any jail time.
The politicians who were caught were stupid. It is the smart ones you avoid getting caught. Hillary was investigated already. The FBI coudn't find sufficient proof that she did or requested people who worked for her to perform illegal acts. Get over it. You can read the FBI reports for yourself, if you like. The FBI is about facts in those reports, not about what they believe to be true.
The same will apply to Trump. Some beliefs that he is a crook and has 500 incidents of acting like a crook, being around other crooks, and somehow still not being caught isn't helpful to get many people, including me, to think he is clean, but it isn't proof either.
theFu
Neither do insurance or pre-owned vehicle salesmen. It is called "selling."
It that illegal?
who are willing to personally submit to him.
in his own mind. It is common for people to be smart in 1 way and idiotic in others. Trump is no different.
I thought he had flat feet.
does anyone care what she thinks? To which office was she elected?
I bet he didn't directly hire any, but I'd also bet that he directed the people doing the hiring in such a way that only illegal immigrants would accept the jobs.
Doing something and being caught doing it, with proof, are 2 very different things.
WilliB
"I have lied but I am not a liar" (Cohen)
I only saw snippets of this cheap theater, but it really is an embarrassment for any congress to spend time on party political nonsense like this.
But hey, that is current politics.
Shinichi Hamada
Just another example of why Trump is going to cruise to victory in 2020.
Americans are fed up with the lying media and dishonest tactics of the left.
First it was the baseless, disgusting attacks on Kavanaugh that failed to accomplish their goal.
Now, they put a liar on the stand. Whiff number two!
What's next?
vinarius@pm.catv.ne.jp
At last someone is telling the truth. I hope , it is not too late for America.
JenniSchiebel
Three major facts that the media either downplay or totally ignore:
Cohen said he had no evidence of "Trump-Russia collusion."
Cohen said he has never been to Prague or even the Czech Republic (where he supposedly had some secret meeting with Putin on Trump's behalf)
Cohen said that Trump did not tell him to lie to Congress. (He lied to Congress all on his own.)He has no reason to lie about no. 1 or no. 3, because what he said doesn't hurt Trump; in fact, it helps him.
As for no. 2, immigration and travel records would be easy to check, so Cohen wouldn't lie about that even if he wanted to.
So, no Russia-Trump collusion, no secret meeting with Putin in Prague, and no orders issued by Trump to Cohen to lie to Congress.
In fact, the only bad things Cohen said about Trump were things that he had absolutely no proof or evidence for. Given that he is a convicted fraudster and perjurer, these things cannot be rationally believed.
Trump's political opponents must be so disappointed.