Refusing to concede, Trump blocks cooperation on transition

So is the election officially over?

I thought Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, and Arizona was still ongoing or indispute? I also thought if numbers were under a certain % they would require a recount. In addition apparently there are some witnesses who saw some dodgy stuff occuring in some or one of these states? I would assume that would be enough to lend a semblance to the accusations and warrant some form of investigation to produce evidence or show the lack of evidence.

Wouldn't it be slightly premature to allow Biden and his team access to millions of your tax payer dollars to start a transition that hasn't been 100% confirmed yet?

Since I am not American I could be wrong in my assumptions so feel free to correct me if my understanding is incorrect.

Why should Trump vacate the White House before all the votes have even been counted?

Nobody is saying he should vacate the White House, he is still President until January.

Then there is the litigation. Al Gore got a month of lawsuits in a disputed election. Everyone gets their day in court even if the authoritarian Left wish to deny it.

Sure, in fact he has already had many days in court litigating this in several states and hasn't been able to provide any evidence that would change the results, nor does any of his pending litigation or appeals which will be heard in the coming days lead to that either. These are really just delaying tactics, not lawsuits that will change the outcome.

Also, none of this justifies him refusing to cooperate with the Biden transition team pending the outcome of those lawsuits (even if one believes they might succeed). The US is in the middle of a very serious crisis and there is an urgent need to ensure the continuity of government when the transition happens (sorry, its going to happen). This refusal is just throwing a monkey wrench into the guts of the Federal government's ability to function and it really only boils down to pure spite on the part of Trump, nothing else.

Trump’s on a bit of a firing spree. He knows he’s lost and is taking it out on anyone he can.

wow, this supposed fraud nonsense is getting unnecessarily complicated.

Allow me to simplify things:

Put up, or shut up.

On second thought, maybe the Trump supporters have a point. I hadn't considered this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIe7JpCr47I

when he wins PA, GA, AZ and NV

This won't happen.

Is it still no fraud?

Never was.

So hows the fraud going? seen enough evidence yet?

Not seen any. None has been presented. Remember when you tried to say that 400,000 more people voted for President than for senators because you couldn't add?Or when you claimed that Biden only got more votes than Obama in four states because you didn't think to check the numbers and just repeated what twitter told you? Is that the kind of evidence you mean?

Are signed affadavits signed by actual people and submitted with court filings not evidence?

I believe they are.

No, not necessarily. People can lie. Trump supporters do constantly.

It will be much easier if you just accept now, rather than weeks down the line, that Trump lost. And Biden won.

News about Trump? Go straight to the comment section. This is awesome.

ANNNND the guy who makes the allegations at the Lawn and Garden shop is a convicted sex offender. How fitting....

There will be no transition until the electoral college votes are certified. as of right now it is simply only a media "projection" that he has won anything.

Gracious this is not, but it is what can be expected.

December 17th (I believe) is when the democrat appointed electors will hopefully make if more than plain for those who can't do the math. At that time, we will get new excuses and unsupported theories.

CSToday  08:43 am JST

the people elect a President. 

You do really know that's nonsense, don't you.

I thought Trump would be bad for the country, but I never thought he could be this bad. Still, not out of character.

He is asking people to donate to a legal fund to find voter fraud. There is a caveat, half of the donations will go towards paying for his campaign debt. So, is it about stopping fraud or paying off debt????

Trump is a grafter to the dire end.

Jan. 20th can't come soon enough.

Why should Trump vacate the White House before all the votes have even been counted?

No-one suggested this. He will leave on January 20 as his term as President will end. Because he lost the 2020 election. Unless nishikat is right, and he intends to squat. I am skeptical, but Trump has continually made noises that seem to confirm what nishikat has been predicting for months. Mr/Ms kat may yet be proven right. Stranger things have happened. I thought that Trump would win Georgia. Its looking like I was wrong.

Not allowing Mr Biden to proceed with PANDEMIC MEASURES, is trump killing off more innocents.

Kaerimashita:

However much he looks like a sore loser, he is within his rights to act this way. 

True. He has every right to make himself look like a sore loser. It comes easy to him.

I can just imagine the child, sitting there with his arms crossed, while officers drag him and his chair out of the White House.

P Smith: Incorrect. You can talk to foreign leaders under the Logan Act, you just can’t negotiate with them unless you’re authorized to do so.

Let’s see the transcripts. Biden used the leverage of Congressionally authorized funds to have a foreign prosecutor removed - he admitted it on video. Why should we trust Biden is not now violating the very same Logan Act that he was discussing to use against the incoming Trump administration four years ago? Let’s have transparency. All the sudden the Left is against open government and vote counting when they are under the microscope.

In the case of the 2000 election, once ALL of the votes were finally counted, Al Gore won the popular vote in Florida. Regretfully, the Supreme Court decided to stop the counting of legally submitted ballots. It is an unfortunate piece of our collective history.

This is a crazy conspiracy that was disproven by the media who paid for, and conducted, their own statewide recount under the auspices of Florida public records law. Gore lost. If the media could have proven otherwise you would have heard about it. This is an example of disinformation likely buttressed by bad actors in order to sow discord and disunity among Americans.

Actually, that was the PLAN all along with Pam and Jeb Bush. They literally STOPPED the counting, and even though 11,000 more votes needed to be tabulated. So, it was a STEAL from the beginning. Gore won Florida. I have no problem with counting the votes in Georgia, and North Carolina but ALREADY Trump has lost. Give it UP! The only ones sowing discord are the republicans as always. They may even still try to take this to the supreme court. and try it that way, but then why have any elections, when you will just say, "HEY, confusion, like there was some fraud." Stop Whining, dude!

nishikat: More proof that Trump will refuse (NO, IS REFUSING) to leave. It will be Trump 2021. Guaranteed he will be in the WH until (or even past) 2024 no matter what.

Why should Trump vacate the White House before all the votes have even been counted? Then there is the litigation. Al Gore got a month of lawsuits in a disputed election. Everyone gets their day in court even if the authoritarian Left wish to deny it. Trumps wingman has entered the fray to ensure the election is not corrupted by big city mayors and AG’s who seek to deny transparency in the counting of votes ordered by a judge. Just let the justice system handle the dispute as it is designed to do. Sometimes justice takes a little longer than we wish it to. Sue and appeal and when they are exhausted we will have a decision.

"What is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time? No one seriously thinks the results will change," said one senior Republican official. "He went golfing this weekend. It's not like he's plotting how to prevent Joe Biden from taking power on Jan. 20. He's tweeting about filing some lawsuits, those lawsuits will fail, then he'll tweet some more about how the election was stolen, and then he'll leave."

And there you have it on the record from a senior GOP official speaking anonymously.

You can say the same about Trump in 2016 who declared himself president after just 3 days.

No that's different because I liked the 2016 result, which means it was right. I don't like the 2020 result, which means it's illegal.

So good to see Joe and Dr. Biden in the White House. Dignity has been restored. I'm pretty sure we won't be hearing the word 'loser' coming out of Joe Biden's mouth, and I'm sure Dr. Jill Biden will be writing her own speeches and not copying other's. I also like Joe's sense of humor.

Trump's hat: Make America Great Again

Biden's hat: We Just Did

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/internet-thinks-joe-bidens-hat-144800799.html

He continues to be an embarrassment, continuing to make his country look even worse than he had already made it look. Who knew that were even possible?

Despite little evidence of fraud, Barr signed off on investigations into the unsubstantiated claims made repeatedly by Trump.

Maybe "little evidence" but there is some.  And also isn't the purpose of an investigation to see if there is more evidence?

Also, just to turn it back to the subject of the article, even if Trump wants to contest the outcome through the courts there is nothing to prevent him from cooperating with the Biden transition team for the good of the country to ensure a smooth transition in the event that he loses. This is just pure spite on his part.

Well according to the Constitution the media does not decide elections by "projected winner". There has been no election certification in any state. There has been no electoral college certification.

True, but when one candidate has actually won the vote, and by substantial margins, the remainder of the process is largely a formality and always has been. The country doesn't just sit idly by for two months pretending it doesn't know who won the election.

If you want transparency, then let challenges run the course. That is how Republics work.

Sure, but again we don't need to sit idly by pretending we don't know who won the election while that happens. There have been no legal grounds put forward that would actually result in a change to the outcome. If any existed I'm sure we would have heard of them by now. They are really just thowing anything they can find at the wall to see if something sticks because Trump can't emotionally process the fact that he has lost. Generally when you make a serious allegation you do so after having evidence to back it up. In this case they've made the allegation and are now scrambling to find something - anything - to back it up. Its not a sound way of going about things.

But by all means, yes, the process must play out.

There is no "Office of the President Elect". 

True, its just an informal convention developed over time in recognition of the fact that we have to call the apparent winner something. I don't recall there being any objections to referring to Trump as the President elect during Obama's lame duck session.

Despite the fervor by the fanatical Trump supporters there is not one shred of evidence whatsoever of election fraud.

And the lawsuits filed by Trump's attorneys in the contested swing states are a joke because only a tiny percentage of votes are in question. Even if in fact these votes were found to be illegitimate it is but a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the total votes Joe Biden received in these states. Basically an absolute non factor.

It is all but a given that Trump will drag this out to the bitter end and will not show up at Biden's inauguration. What an absolute disgrace and mockery to Americans.

what a shame for trump for not respecting the election result. It is fortunate we only need to endure all these nonsense until January only. After that, brand new excellent four years ahead!

Well according to the Constitution the media does not decide elections by "projected winner". There has been no election certification in any state. There has been no electoral college certification.

If you want transparency, then let challenges run the course. That is how Republics work.

There is no "Office of the President Elect". Just because the media says so does not equate reality. I thought we would have realized that by now. No Iraqi babies being tossed out cribs. No WMD. No missiles hitting TWA flight 800. No planes diappearing into Bermuda Triangles. And Jeff Epstein did kill himslef.

However much he looks like a sore loser, he is within his rights to act this way.  some blame attaches to the third world way this election was run and votes counted.  Pretty shoddy and leaves plenty of room for cynicism as to accuracy of the result.  Must do better next time.

Republicans on Capitol Hill have been hesitant to push Trump to concede to Biden, knowing it would anger their base of Trump’s most devoted supporters

What a bunch of LOSERS!  The Republicans all LOSERS!

Graham:

serious, a presser at the Four Seasons (Land-scapping) next to a porn shop AND a crematorium? How fitting for this "administration."

Don't forget, the first person they rolled up to give 'evidence' that there was some cheating going on was a sexual predator jailed for exposing himself to children, or something disturbing like that.

It really soothes me that the best lawyer Trump has is Ghouliani. It really puts my mind at ease.

If Trump doesn't leave by mid-January, I'd pay good money to see him being dragged out. Hell, I'd pay for straitjacket.

Refusing to concede, Trump blocks cooperation on transition

Says the gaslighting media,

the same ones who gave incorrect polling numbers, & predictions;

they lie and swear to it.

The media declared Biden the winner, but it wasn't their call.

This is going to court.

The American people want answers, the legitimacy of this election

must be proved, and true results shown.

I keep thinking that DT won't get any worse, but there he goes, making his reputation even more unpleasant.

Never ever think that. There is no bottom.

The only things that gives me solace are that: A) Trump is as incompetent at election rigging as he is at governance (serious, a presser at the Four Seasons (Land-scapping) next to a porn shop AND a crematorium? How fitting for this "administration."), and B) Nobody seems to be taking him seriously. He is the rhetorical equivalent of a wet fart in a hurricane.

You are A) moving the goalposts

No I'm not. This was my original comment:

Its really amusing to watch you guys flip flop so shamelessly. You had no problem whatsoever with Trump declaring himself the winner of the election before half the votes had even been counted. But now, after the votes actually have been counted, you have suddenly developed an extreme aversion to calling elections.

I accused them of having "no problem whatsoever with Trump declaring himself the winner". You asked for evidence of that. I showed you an article about Trump declaring himself winner in to which none voiced an objection.

B) using a your own opinion to decide what the meaning behind other people's comments are.

No, when I say none of them objected that is a statement of fact, not my opinion. When I say they made comments predicated on the substance of Trump's declaration of victory, that is also a statement of fact, not my opinion.

Are there comments that state they are okay with Trump announcing that he had won?  Not comments that can be construed, alluded to and so on.

Asked and answered, see my previous comment. I never said there were. Are there any comments where the "This isn't over until all the t's are crossed and i's dotted" crowd condemned Trump for prematurely calling the election in his favor???

Not unexpected but still disappointing.

Trump is too stupid to have two thoughts in his head at once: "I won the election." (no, don. You didn't) AND (I need to protect the country.)

(Laughs to self) How silly of me. Don doesn't care about protecting the country. Why would he help with a transition of power?

Are there comments that state they are okay with Trump announcing that he had won? Not comments that can be construed, alluded to and so on.

I didn't say they were expressly praising his announcement per se. But any fair reading of their comments indicates that:

A) They didn't object to him calling it in his own favor at a time that was obviously massively premature;

B) They were more than willing to parrot its substance; the article is littered with comments made under the assumption Trump had won the election and all that was left to Biden/dems was a bunch of pathetic delaying tactics to put off the inevitable defeat.

You are A) moving the goalposts B) using a your own opinion to decide what the meaning behind other people's comments are.

Trump announced victory, the media said no.

Biden announced victory, the media said yes.

That's because Biden is predicted by more than enough reputable sources to have won enough electoral college votes to legitimately announce his victory. Trump has not.

QAnon isn't real. The cabal isn't real. Trump isn't a savior. There is no special move he can make to win now.

Trump lost. Biden won.

It's done.

I'm not seeing any comments praising Trump for announcing that he won. I just see comments saying "Trump will win" or "He has won".

I didn't say they were expressly praising his announcement per se. But any fair reading of their comments indicates that:

A) They didn't object to him calling it in his own favor at a time that was obviously massively premature;

B) They were more than willing to parrot its substance; the article is littered with comments made under the assumption Trump had won the election and all that was left to Biden/dems was a bunch of pathetic delaying tactics to put off the inevitable defeat.

This is a huge contrast to their current stance that even days after the votes have actually been counted, no winner can be declared until all the formalities have been

It's best not to try an make things up.

I didn't, and you it would be best for you to read my posts carefully before accusing me of doing so.

@thefu

Hopefully, Trump staff will be mature enough to leave the "b" key-caps on the keyboards, unlike another former transition team did for another letter.

That was due to deep resentment over the fact the incoming president wasn't elected - he had been appointed by the Supreme Court after it ordered a stop to the ballot-counting.

I'm waiting for Trump's Gyokuon Hoso.

Lets look at the responses to this JT article last week which covered that, titled "Trump claims victory despite uncounted votes: Biden urges caution"

I'm not seeing any comments praising Trump for announcing that he won. I just see comments saying "Trump will win" or "He has won".

It's best not to try an make things up.

Could you please provide some evidence of this.

Oh very happily.

Lets look at the responses to this JT article last week which covered that, titled "Trump claims victory despite uncounted votes: Biden urges caution"

https://japantoday.com/category/world/With-results-from-key-states-unclear-Trump-declares-victory-Biden-asks-supporters-to-keep-the-faith

The newfound members of the "No calling elections" crowd sure didn't have a problem with Trump saying that, with gems that haven't aged well. My favorite by Blacklabel is this beauty which hasn't aged particularly well given his current position on the issue:

"now gives Dems weeks to try to stretch this out and find new votes."

Which is of course exactly what he is now egging Trump to go on doing.

I keep saying this and some Republicans I like and there are some I could have voted over Biden. Trump? For the Republican party? That is what a lot of swing voters are saying - like myself

Trump fans who believe multiple states will suddenly reverse the will of the people are just delusional.

Biden has won. Time for you trump supporters to recognize that and deal with your emotions.

He’s certainly got a lot of legal fights to deal with after he leaves office.

Warming up?

You had no problem whatsoever with Trump declaring himself the winner of the election before half the votes had even been counted.

Could you please provide some evidence of this.

This election is definitely not over now, not that it ever was.

Its really amusing to watch you guys flip flop so shamelessly. You had no problem whatsoever with Trump declaring himself the winner of the election before half the votes had even been counted. But now, after the votes actually have been counted, you have suddenly developed an extreme aversion to calling elections.

Its really a pathetic display. Your guy lost, get over it already.

The man is desperate his loans come due soon so he's is over.

I keep thinking that DT won't get any worse, but there he goes, making his reputation even more unpleasant.

Trump is well within his right to not concede

That's right and it's Trump ~2024 even if Biden loses. Trump will never leave no matter what.

As expected, he's going to try taking American down with him.

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The ballots haven't been finished being counted and people are already trying to act as if the election was months ago. Trump is well within his right to not concede until all contested states have their recounts and the fraud cases have been dismissed/dealt with.

All of this will be accomplished by December so people only have to wait a couple of weeks.

But that process can't begin in full until the GSA recognizes Biden as president-elect. The definition of what constitutes a clear election winner for the GSA is legally murky, making next steps unclear, especially in the short term.

Yes indeed, Donald will do his best to do his Master Putin's bidding right down to the bitter end....

That's dedication....

Trumpism will be the new cancer of USA..

Trump just gave his name to a sickness that has afflicted the USA and gone undiagnosed for the last 75 years turning virulent in the last forty years. Thanks to Trump's lifting the skirts of this undiagnosed malaise that has plagued the republic for so long, there may now be a window of opportunity to develop a vaccine against the plutocratic looting of American workers and the debilitating structural racism cemented by poverty and the mass incarceration of minorities. Is Biden up to the task? Better call Kamala!? But even she has milked the status quo in her rise to the top and has yet to prove that she is not beholden to corporate power. Meanwhile, the Republicans have yet to show that they are serious about "making America great again".

Uh huh:

Yes and....

"Get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very peaceful — there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation."

(Trump)

He won't leave the WH, so what is the problem? According to Trump Biden will not be president in 2021.

This headline made me laugh!

trump is the kind of guy that will leave a poo in Biden’s White House bath.

RealClearPolitics has rescinded its call for Biden winning Pennsylvania. This election is definitely not over now, not that it ever was.

Oathkeepers and Trump's Proud Boys say the same thing. They are expecting civil war to save the US from socialism. According to Trump Barr is getting ready to arrest many ANTIFA for voting fraud. Yes, the dems stole the election and....(proof)

"You can't have this guy as your president,"  "You can't have — I'll sign an executive order, you cannot have him as your president."

(Trump)

Proof that Trump will NOT leave the WH. He will sign executive order to keep Biden from entering the WH.

RealClearPolitics has rescinded its call for Biden winning Pennsylvania. This election is definitely not over now, not that it ever was.

Ben Rhodes MSNBC interview. You can find the link yourself because you complain about any hosting site I give you.

Cite?

You cant, right? Yet, Biden is.

This sounds like a real serious crime. I think if you check the Internet there is an FBI hotline for reporting serious crimes. the JT message board cannot prosecute Joe's crimes. Only the FBI can (like with PizzaGate)

It’s imperative that the “And we’ll see what happens” misadministration and the current occupant of the White House fully cooperates with the transition process.

However, the unfit occupant of the the People’s House, is an agent of chaos who has never cared about the country. It’s always about him and his huge ego.

Enough!

Make The USA Sane Again ... as soon as possible.

Uh huh, now on topic about whether you can talk to foreign leaders before you are President?

You cant, right? Yet, Biden is.

Trump appointee refuses to sign document allowing Biden transition to officially get to work

(news quote)

More proof that Trump will refuse (NO, IS REFUSING) to leave. It will be Trump 2021. Guaranteed he will be in the WH until (or even past) 2024 no matter what.

There will be no transition until the electoral college votes are certified. as of right now it is simply only a media "projection" that he has won anything.

Also, I heard Biden and his team are already talking to foreign leaders about what he will do when he is President from January.

Hello, Joe? Its General Mike Flynn on the phone for you, he would like a word about the Logan Act.........

Ah_so: Unfounded, unevidenced.

How can you say that? How do you know unless you investigate? If there is no fraud then such finding will support Biden’s legitimacy. If this effort in a razor thin election is aborted by politicized media operatives and judges, tend of millions of Trump voters will not be able to trust the results- especially after four years of pounding Trump with unfounded allegations about Russia collusion.

In the case of the 2000 election, once ALL of the votes were finally counted, Al Gore won the popular vote in Florida. Regretfully, the Supreme Court decided to stop the counting of legally submitted ballots. It is an unfortunate piece of our collective history.

This is a crazy conspiracy that was disproven by the media who paid for, and conducted, their own statewide recount under the auspices of Florida public records law. Gore lost. If the media could have proven otherwise you would have heard about it. This is an example of disinformation likely buttressed by bad actors in order to sow discord and disunity among Americans.

Until the President is able to adjudicate his claims of potential fraud in several states and until the recounts are completed there is no transition to prepare for.

Unfounded, unevidenced.

Until the President is able to adjudicate his claims of potential fraud in several states and until the recounts are completed there is no transition to prepare for. It took Al Gore more than a month to finally give up. Are only Democrats allowed equal protection under the law? If this is any possibility that there was some voting irregularities they must at be investigated even if they do not ultimately change the results of the election.

AG Barr has even instructed the Justice Department to be involved. Voter fraud cannot be tolerated in a first world democracy.

theFuToday  07:24 am JST

Hopefully, Trump staff will be mature enough to leave the "b" key-caps on the keyboards, unlike another former transition team did for another letter.

That was back in 2001. This is 2020. Have you ever tried to remove a single key from a laptop? Or a Tablet?

There is no need for a transition team yet. The media doesn't select a President, the people elect a President. The only official announcement about an election result that matters is from the head of GSA, so until the head of GSA makes a determination as to who won an election, nothing changes.

In the case of the 2000 election, once ALL of the votes were finally counted, Al Gore won the popular vote in Florida. Regretfully, the Supreme Court decided to stop the counting of legally submitted ballots. It is an unfortunate piece of our collective history.

I presume this transition delay is Trump's plan to make a kind of deal with the GOP and the Biden Government before he leaves the White House.

To date, despite Trump says he is a great negotiator, there is not enough evidence to back up for his claim and his transition delay "for something in return" will be another failure.

In 2000, Al Gore initially conceded to George Bush Jr., but later took it back due to the controversy over Florida which would not be resolved until early December, Once that was settled in court Gore conceded again to Bush Jr.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton personally called Donald Trump early morning after election evening to concede and congratulate him on winning the presidency, even though it was a bitterly contested one.

Now in 2020, Trump refuses to concede and is hiding away in his bunker filled with bitterness and anger, showing his true classless and selfish nature. Not that many were not aware of that of course.

It boggles the mind how Trump continues to have such an adoring fan base.

Trump's coup failed. Now he and his followers are the 'resistance'.

Quote Bobby Womack: 'Table's turning, now it's your turn to cry'

But the agency's Trump-appointed administrator, Emily Murphy, has not started the process and has given no guidance on when she will do so.

Adding another one to the list of corrupt officials who put their economic health health of the country.

Purging the administration of such creatures should be fast and brutal.

Hopefully, Trump staff will be mature enough to leave the "b" key-caps on the keyboards, unlike another former transition team did for another letter.

yeah the optics dont look good on this, he needs to accept it and move on, continuing the legal investigation but step down. The left wing radicals were thrown some trinkets, but it was allot of noise, so it now appears. They played allot of fun and games, but they didnt take over.

It is what it is, let the same system that tested Trump, now test joe and the Dems The system meaning the people the Congress and eventually the media. I still think it works. Let us see.