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This grandstanding event will, mark my words, end up going like most of Trump's declarations: NOWHERE.

The spinners and the twisters who support him will come in and say this, say that. But it's simple, he has overstepped his bounds.

He is not a dictator.

He is not the supreme power in the United States.

He is a manchild... and he will get smacked down.

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Trump may have also undermined his administration's argument about the urgency of the situation, when he told reporters, "I didn't need to do this. But I'd rather do it much faster."

Trump in a nutshell! A spoiled rich brat who thinks they can get whatever they want and acts in spite, as a bully, to get what he wants, even though he really does not want it in the first place.

I sincerely hope these words come back to bite him in the arse when this gets to the supreme court!

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@David Varnes

I agree with you that this has gotten ridiculous, but let's not pretend that Trump is the first president to openly declare that he will go around Congress if they won't give him what he wants.

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Good luck, Dumpster Fire Donny. You're going to need it for all the lawsuits:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-hit-first-lawsuit-191928712.html

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@David Varnes

I agree with you that this has gotten ridiculous, but let's not pretend that Trump is the first president to openly declare that he will go around Congress if they won't give him what he wants.

extanker,

As McConnell himself said just a few days ago, all previous declarations of a national emergency that reallocated funds were nearly united in their approval. Things like 9/11, etc.

If you want to bring up Obama and DACA, the difference with DACA is that it is, and always will be, a law enforcement decision. That decision does rest squarely within the realm of the executive branch, which is charged with enforcing the laws of the United States.

No other President has EVER thrown such a tantrum, in such a divided circumstance where even members of his own party (4 Repub Senators and counting, if I remember right as I post) have said he is wrong and are willing to vote on a bill to rescind the declaration of emergency.

So no, in this Trump is the first, and the worst, of the lot.

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I don’t know much about politics but it seems odd to declare a national emergency and then head off on vacation.

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Good on him, here is a President who gets things done

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Trump may have finally provided an excuse for the GOP to vomit him up.

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Good on him, here is a President who gets things done

Something tells me you weren't cheering on Obama for his executive orders or national emergencies. What's different?

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Ha ha! Ann Coulter tweeted

No, the goal of a national emergency is for Trump to scam the stupidest people in his base for 2 more years.

Isn't that redundant?

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I didn't need to do this. But I'd rather do it much faster."

So even Trump agrees it’s not an emergency. It’s an abuse of power.

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statistics show that illegal immigration via the border is at a 20-year low and that many drug shipments come through legal ports of entry.

Confronted with those statistics at the Rose Garden event with reporters, Trump said they were "wrong."

Pathetic.

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With an emergency formally declared, Trump left later on Friday for his Mar-a-Lago golf resort in Florida for a holiday break.

The president needs a break like everyone else with a job, and especially anyone with a job who can also afford to take one. Even though his vacations are taken on the public dole and he profits from them, I can’t totally fault him - on that. 

I agree with Ralph Waldo Emerson’s ‘A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds…’. I don’t expect anyone, especially someone like Trump known for serial flip-flopping, to be absolute consistent. But after all his criticisms of President Obama playing golf (link below) would his supporters see his change in attitude as an example of ‘evolving’ - or just flat-out ‘hypocrisy-ing’. 

https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2017/3/27/15073086/donald-trump-tweets-barack-obama-golf

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 Trump left later on Friday for his Mar-a-Lago golf resort in Florida for a holiday break.

Fair warning: The link below is from trumpgolfcount. If someone has conflicting data, please rebut. It claims 'Cost to Taxpayer: About $87,000,000'. **

https://trumpgolfcount.com/

When the US$60,000. per day profit Trump's various resorts earn from his trips, it looks like Trump's making the most of his time in the White House - for his personal bank accounts.

Most Republicans I've met are fiscal conservatives. Does that make Republican Trump backers who accept his overspending 'Republicans In Name Only'?

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He also signed a bipartisan government spending bill

Like a good boy.

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A case history of failure and humiliation...

Trump campaigns on building a southern wall, which Mexico will pay for - he even uses the assurance "mark my words, mark my words"... Mexico didn't pay and wall not built...

Once elected, he had two years, over 700 days, to have the Repub majorities in Congress send him a funding bill... He didn't ask and the House didn't send...wall not built...

In Dec 18, Repubs in the Congress send him a funding bill with no money for a wall, but $1.6 for improvements along the border and 65 miles of fence. Trump signals he'll sign it until humiliated by Coulter and Rush. Wall not built...

Trump starts the Trump Shutdown which puts millions of families under stress, endangers our country, and damages our economy. Finally relents after 35 days and gets nothing. Wall not built...

After two weeks of negotiations is forced to accept a bill that still has no funding for a wall, only $1.37b and 55 miles of fence - less than he could have got in Dec before the shutdown. Wall not built.

Trump says he'll use national emergency powers to fund a wall, yet that will be challenged in court and tied up for years. Wall not built...

Two years - no wall, a government shutdown that was the worst in history - no wall, humiliation from his own conservative supporters - no wall, could have got a batter deal in Dec - no wall, national emergency declaration will be tied up in courts for years - no wall.

Political Science students will be studying this case for years highlighting Trump's impotence, incompetence, and failure...

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It's odd... if this whole illegal immigrant thing were really grounds for a national emergency, why didn't Trump go ahead and declare one in his first week in office?

Andrew CrispToday 07:14 am JST

Good on him, here is a President who gets things done

He's had two years to "get things done" about this problem. I don't see a whole lot getting done.

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Bottom line: this is not a national emergency. A national emergency would be something like 9/11 where the President needs to rapidly mobilize resources to address an impeding attack i.e. emergency because going through the legislative process would take too much time. This is not an emergency. For one, nothing has changed at the Southern border between now and 365 days ago. Secondly, he has been contemplating it for months, so it is not an emergency if you have months to talk and think about it. Cause if you have months, you can go through Congress. He is clearly abusing power. And if he sees he can get away with it now, he will do it again maybe in 2020 saying he thinks the election results are invalid cause millions of illegals voted. The Democrats need to impeach him now and open the door to indictment. Forget Mueller, all he has done so far is allow Trump and the GOP to consolidate more power by lulling everyone into a false of security that something is being done. But we already know about all the crimes he has committed so far. Why is he still in the WH? This is scary.

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National emergency my ...... guns opioids healthcare now thats a National emergency get real Donny...

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Now that Trump went in front of the cameras and completed his humiliation, it's time for the GOP rank and file to line up and take their beatings. I want to see them look into the camera and show the world that they are willing to lie about a national emergency for political gain. I want the segment to end with everyone knowing we just watched a spineless puppet put on a dance, and that person is a Republican.

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Ann just agreed with Tillertson, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster....

Ann Coulter Hits Back at Trump: ‘The Only National Emergency Is That Our President Is an Idiot’

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ann-coulter-hits-back-trump-231420266.html

Let's see, that now makes it "Idiot", "Loser", "Wimp", and "Coward". I don't care for Ann, but I have to admit, she sure nailed Trump's character..

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It's going to be a big, beautiful wall. Build the Wall!

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As McConnell himself said just a few days ago, all previous declarations of a national emergency that reallocated funds were nearly united in their approval. Things like 9/11, etc.

If you want to bring up Obama and DACA, the difference with DACA is that it is, and always will be, a law enforcement decision. That decision does rest squarely within the realm of the executive branch, which is charged with enforcing the laws of the United States.

No other President has EVER thrown such a tantrum, in such a divided circumstance where even members of his own party (4 Repub Senators and counting, if I remember right as I post) have said he is wrong and are willing to vote on a bill to rescind the declaration of emergency.

So no, in this Trump is the first, and the worst, of the lot.

Obama openly declared that if Congress wouldn't give him what he wanted, he would go around them. Regardless of what he did or how he did it, national emergency, executive order, whatever, he did bypassed Congress to get his way long before Trump did.

Just because you like what Obama did with his abuses and don't like what Trump is doing now, doesn't change those facts.

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Obama openly declared that if Congress wouldn't give him what he wanted, he would go around them. Regardless of what he did or how he did it, national emergency, executive order, whatever, he did bypassed Congress to get his way long before Trump did.

Just because you like what Obama did with his abuses and don't like what Trump is doing now, doesn't change those facts.

No, I'm stating that what Obama did is within the powers reserved for the executive branch.

What Trump is doing isn't. He is attempting dictatorial control of not just the executive, but the power of the purse that is the written power of Congress.

Article 1 of the US Constitution grants the 'power of the purse' to the US Congress only. Trump is attempting to usurp that power.

That is the difference.

That is a fact.

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this goes just like everything else.

Trump won’t declare national emergency. He does. then it’s but it’s not an emergency!

Trump won’t build a wall. Trump builds a wall. That’s a replacement for existing wall!

Trump won’t build a new wall. That’s technically a “barrier!”

trump does what he says. Over 280 times so far with many more to come.

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Bottom line: this is not a national emergency. A national emergency would be something like 9/11 where the President needs to rapidly mobilize resources to address an impeding attack i.e. emergency because going through the legislative process would take too much time.

You REALLY should pay closer attention to what Presidents prior to Trump declared as national emergencies!

Example from Clinton;

November 3, 1997: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan implemented economic and trade sanctions.

Pray tell how Sudan matters to the national security of the US?

Example from GWBush:

March 6, 2003: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe was an effort to punish associates of Robert Mugabe.

Same question!

Example from Obama;

April 3, 2014: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan was in response to the ongoing civil war.

Obama has a few with regards to African countries,.

Point is there are over 30 "National Emergencies" currently STILL in effect, as declared by the current and previous President's going back to when the Act was created under Ford!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story?id=60294693

Like it or not, the southern border issue is a hell of a lot closer to home as an "emergency" by your definition than others by previous presidents!

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Trump tripling down!

It will be interesting to see where this goes. It sets a hell of a precedent. It's not surprising that the right is now coming up with some non-equivalent thing the Democrats did, and trying to claim Trump wasn't first. One would have to be of particularly low intelligence to think they can convince others to believe that false equivalency. They would actually have to be stupid enough to believe that false equivalency, to be at the level of stupidity required to believe they could get others to believe it.

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I've been able to find a secret photo of what the new Trump wall will look like....

https://www.gocomics.com/laloalcaraz/2019/02/11

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Love all the people on the internet and media who are not president telling me it’s not a national emergency. Yet the elected president says it is. So it is until proven in the Supreme court it’s not

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Trump held up his end and did all he could. Didn’t cave didn’t back down. If he can’t get it done still then we need more conservative judges and more republicans in Congress in 2020 to finish it off.

The great thing is that the Dem house is paralyzed with this issue and investigations. Their impact legislatively has been zero and they kept saying racist and dumb public comments almost daily. Totally neutralized.

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It's a double win. Get part of the wall, THEN declare an emergency, avoid another shut down, take the battle to the Supreme Court where he wins. That battle will rage during the 2020 campaign and he can use it as his biggest talking point. Genius, really.

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Trump held up his end and did all he could. Didn’t cave didn’t back down. If he can’t get it done still then we need more conservative judges and more republicans in Congress in 2020 to finish it off.

Held his end? How many more lies do you need to be fed before you open your eyes?

Trump stated countless numbers of times that "Mexico would pay for the wall", is that Trump holding up his end? There is plenty more to go on from there!

He had TWO years with control in BOTH houses and NOTHING got done, are you going to sit here and show the world your ignorance so openly?

Please stop bogarting the blunt!

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It's a double win

It's also a win for Home Depot and ladder and shovel sales

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Democrats and anti-Trumpers are in total meltdown lol

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Democrats and anti-Trumpers are in total meltdown lol

It will take decades (even over a century) to built a 2,000 mile x 50 ft wall. Meanwhile, ladders are red hot.

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It's also a win for Home Depot and ladder and shovel sales

Yeah? Then how about the pesky fact that in areas where a decent barrier has been erected, illegal crossings drop drastically? Hmmm...

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 take the battle to the Supreme Court where he wins

You're admitting that Thomas, Alito, Roberts, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh are not mere conservatives, but they are partisan hacks who will rule according to Trump's wishes.

So much for justice, and so much for an independent judiciary.

Trump is a wannabe dictator and his followers have no problem with that.

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Love all the people on the internet and media who are not president telling me it’s not a national emergency. Yet the elected president says it is.

The elected president is an idiot.

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The great thing is that ### is paralyzed with this issue and investigations. Their impact legislatively has been zero and they kept saying racist and dumb public comments almost daily. Totally neutralized.

Quick, if you didn't know which team wrote this quote, which team would you think?

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The new Democratic House. Plus your Virginia sexual assault guy and the blackface twins. Has House Resolution HR1 even passed? Only thing put out was green new deal which is non binding and the authors don’t even want to be voted on.

dems couldn’t even wait until Monday to open an investigation.

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We wanted a wall, Mexico paying for it was a best case scenario because we knew that Dems would try to block funding because they want the border open.

Mexico not paying for it doesn’t make the wall nonexistent or invalid. It is still being built and will still work with the desired effects.

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Trump is really piecing together the funding for the wall. One thing he forgot though - he should cut off Pelosi's liquor supplies - that would pay for a good chunk.

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Welp, good luck trying to take President to court. A conservative SCOTUS?

Thank you Gorsuch & Kavanaugh!!

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You're admitting that Thomas, Alito, Roberts, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh are not mere conservatives, but they are partisan hacks who will rule according to Trump's wishes.

I'm not admitting any such thing. These justices will rule according to the Constitution. These dudes will abide. And, by the way, Trump will get to make at least one more great choice for SCOTUS as Ruth Bader Ginsburg is no longer fit to serve.

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how about the pesky fact

They will simply go around it like water. Again it has to be a 2,000 mile x 50 ft wall like trump promised. Now the number of illegal crossings is going up along the entire 2,000 mile wall according to hannity. If they don't go over or under then they will go around. Then they just need hiking boots. This failure is on trump. Ladders, shovels, and hiking boots for humans and drones and catapults to deliver the drugs

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Dems would try to block funding because they want the border open.

You still running with that falsehood? Since when did conservatives love wasting money on vanity projects?

dems couldn’t even wait until Monday to open an investigation.

Trump has declared an emergency for a non-emergency situation. The Democratic Party has responded appropriately as a legislative body with oversight on the president's abuse of power. That's the true emergency here.

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Update, Ann Coulter calls trump an idiot. Trump failed

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These justices will rule according to the Constitution.

We'll see about that.

Remember that the constitution allows the president to declare a national emergency, but he/she must provide reasonable cause and then give justification for renewing the emergency declaration every year thereafter. There are two problems already. First, the fact that illegal border crossings are at a historic low (despite Trump's baseless assertion to the contrary) does not serve as sufficient rationale to declare a national emergency. Second, Trump's public comment that "I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster." blows a pretty big hole in his argument.

It's such a no-brainer. I'd say that if any of the conservatives on the SC ignore these points, they are obviously not ruling according to the constitution, that they are partisan hacks for the GOP, and that America is permanently screwed.

I'm pretty sure how Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh will rule. Roberts may still have a shred of integrity.

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Great surrender ceremony in the Rose Garden today - only things missing were the white flags behind Donnie "The Caveman" Trump as he signed a funding bill with the word "wall" no where in its over 1,000 pages.

And then he declares a "National Emergency" - and immediately hops on AF1 to go play golf at Mar-A-Lago...what a leader!

And the Trumpers here are already engaging in their binary fantasy games - "it will go to the Supreme Court and we'll win" - sure, just like Roberts voted with you on the ACA and abortion, and Kavanaugh on his first case.

The delusional world of the Trump supporter - the Dear Leader is omnipotent and everything is black and white - until reality leaks in and it isn't...

And bottom-line - no wall...after two years...

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Be careful. Trump fans are dealing with failure from the man who controls their self confidence.

Let them troll if they need to. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

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Be careful. Trump fans are dealing with failure from the man who controls their self confidence.

Let them troll if they need to. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Unlike the liberal Trump haters that follow ever call and beckon when their socialists masters say, Jump or speak like the impressionable puppets they are.

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their socialists masters

Like who?

Trump haters

Trump is a despicable person. I don't blame anyone for hating him. He deserves it.

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their socialists masters

Like who?

We'll be waiting a long time for an answer and it probably won't be relevant.

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Update, Ann Coulter calls trump an idiot. Trump failed

Trump supporters should love Ann Coulter. She sees Trump’s laziness, ignorance and idiocy and kicks him up the backside. Update, Ann Coulter calls trump an idiot. Trump failed her, President golf cart would be giving press conferences in his pajamas.

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Like who?

Take your pick. Pretty much all of them, they’re almost starting to make Bernie appear to be normal.

Trump is a despicable person. I don't blame anyone for hating him. He deserves.

I get it, I feel the same about Pelosi, no wonder a lot of people don’t like her and AOC is proving to be the smartest socialist to run the Democrat party.

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Trump supporters should love Ann Coulter. She sees Trump’s laziness, ignorance and idiocy and kicks him up the backside. Update, Ann Coulter calls trump an idiot. Trump failed her, President golf cart would be giving press conferences in his pajamas

Yeah, yeah, there’s a reason why Annie isn’t getting booked on any TV network recently. She talks to much, too abrasive, love the woman, but she’s like Hirono, a big mouth that talks a lot and no one cares to listen to except the haters on both sides.

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I feel the same about Pelosi

Pelosi beat trump. Proof is Ann Coulter thinks trump is an idiot. And with Trump's wall they will just use ladders

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Take your pick. Pretty much all of them, they’re almost starting to make Bernie appear to be normal.

A non-answer is an irrelevant answer.

Yeah, yeah, there’s a reason why Annie isn’t getting booked on any TV network recently. She talks to much, too abrasive, love the woman, but she’s like Hirono, a big mouth that talks a lot and no one cares to listen to except the haters on both sides

You love Coulter and only haters listen to her, so you're a hater. You do have all of her books.

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Why would I buy the books of someone to whom I don't listen?

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bass4funkToday 01:48 pm JST

"Like who? "

Take your pick. Pretty much all of them...

Too hard to admit that you can't actually think of any names?

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You love Coulter and only haters listen to her, so you're a hater. You do have all of her books.

Love her books and I’m not a hater, that’s why I didn’t buy Hillary’s and Obama’s books.

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Ann Coulter: "The Only National Emergency Is That Our President Is An Idiot"

Over to you, Trump supporters! I'm lovin' it!

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their socialists masters

Like who?

Take your pick. Pretty much all of them...

Getting yourself off the hook again. I can understand how Trump supporters have no qualms about their dear leader's lack of respect for logical or honest discourse. They have very little themselves.

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Ann Coulter says:

"the goal of a national emergency is for Trump to scam the stupidest people in his base for 2 more years,"

Oh my . . . She must be a socialist, lol HAR

Trumpworld is starting to unravel, just like Animal Farm.

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Getting yourself off the hook again. I can understand how Trump supporters have no qualms about their dear leader's lack of respect for logical or honest discourse. They have very little themselves.

Do the Democrats have any respect? Oh, I forgot, they don’t know what it is.

"the goal of a national emergency is for Trump to scam the stupidest people in his base for 2 more years,"

Oh my . . . She must be a socialist, lol HAR

Annie, talks crap about everyone that disagrees with their point of view, again.....no one is surprised by her rant. She’s funny though. Let her rant, that’s the only way she’ll get some publicity.

Trumpworld is starting to unravel, just like Animal Farm.

As if the Democrats have a smooth ride. VA. Is burning down with racists and a doctor who wants to kill babies and is a racist, double your pleasure.

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Annie, talks crap about....

...Trump because he caved to Pelosi. Hannity says Trump's deal is garbage. But one thing that won't be crap is Home Depot's ladder business. One important question is can home depot make enough ladders to go over Trump's wall?

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One important question is can home depot make enough ladders to go over Trump's wall?

Har! It's so funny to see nishikat unable to bring him/herself to admit that ladders are not gonna get a very high percentage of illegals over the wall. Hey, nishikat, what about Home Dept shovels to dig tunnels under the wall? Oh, that's gonna work either? Why not? lol

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Ann Coulter: "The Only National Emergency Is That Our President Is An Idiot"

Hahahaha, so the woman you have hated all this time you now love because she's dissing Trump, lol

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Pelosi beat trump.

How you figure? She's the one having a meltdown.

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Annie, talks crap about everyone that disagrees with their point of view, again.....no one is surprised by her rant. She’s funny though. Let her rant, that’s the only way she’ll get some publicity.

Hahahaha, so the woman you have hated all this time you now love because she's dissing Trump, lol

So, you have both called her a "conservative icon". I'm sure you know what icon means - someone who is an "oracle" - who speaks the supreme truth.

She has said your President is an "idiot", "weak", a "Loser" and a "wimp". She also said today he was the worst President ever when it came to border security.

So, is she a conservative icon? Does she speak the truth? Do her views represent conservative thinking?

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The way the Democrats are acting it will seal his reelection. They will never back down on this until their new voter base is installed. If these criminals were coming over the border and were voting Republican, Nancy would be handing Chuck bricks to help build it faster.

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If Republicans let this fly, then the Democrats are going to have fun declaring “emergencies” when the next Democrat is elected President. The balance of power in the Constitution is there for a reason. Messing with it won’t just affect Democrats.

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Ann Coulter: "The Only National Emergency Is That Our President Is An Idiot"... Ann Coulter... Ann Coulter...

Ann Coulter is right! Orange Man bad! No, wait, Ann Coulter has always been wrong, right? Why, that must mean... oh my... Orange Man... good?! It can't be...

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Hey, nishikat

On hannity and friends they reported the number of illegals crossings surging. The only way to stop is Trump's original 2000 mile x 50 ft wall. You can't do that with 8 billion dollars. Also it will take decades. You are right. Ladders and shovels are not necessary. They just need shoes until about the year 2100 when finish Trump's great wall. Sorry my mistake. This is not great news for home depot (yet). But its good news for the shoe business. All those millions of Mexicans crossing the border yearly while making a joke out of trump need shoes. Then from about the year 2100 think about the ladder and shovel business.

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If Republicans let this fly, then the Democrats are going to have fun declaring “emergencies” when the next Democrat is elected President.

There isn't going to be another Democrat elected president for a long time, if ever again.

The balance of power in the Constitution is there for a reason. 

So the president is not to exercise his Constitutional right to make executive decisions and declare national emergencies, like in the case of dangerous criminals and drugs crossing illegally into the country? Really?

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crossing illegally into the country? 

Yes with shoes. They just need to go around the wall (until about the year 2100). Then they will use ladders and shovels for the people and drones for the narcotics. In fact they have lots of tunnels now. Drone technology for narcotics delivery is also improving. The trump wall is a joke.

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Trump declares national emergency for what he thinks is necessary. Dems say “that’s illegal!!!! Lawsuit!”

While at the same time saying “the next Dem president will do this too!!!” Gun control, climate change, etc etc

ummm how would that be any more legal for a Dem President to do than what you are saying is illegal for Trump to do?

Consistency. You should be sticking with the “it’s illegal” narrative. We all know that nothing is illegal for Dems to do but your response is admitting that publicly.

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The way the Democrats are acting it will seal his reelection. They will never back down on this until their new voter base is installed. If these criminals were coming over the border and were voting Republican, Nancy would be handing Chuck bricks to help build it faster.

Ann Coulter: "The Only National Emergency Is That Our President Is An Idiot"... Ann Coulter... Ann Coulter...

Ann Coulter is right! Orange Man bad! No, wait, Ann Coulter has always been wrong, right? Why, that must mean... oh my... Orange Man... good?! It can't be...

There isn't going to be another Democrat elected president for a long time, if ever again.

The balance of power in the Constitution is there for a reason. 

So the president is not to exercise his Constitutional right to make executive decisions and declare national emergencies, like in the case of dangerous criminals and drugs crossing illegally into the country? Really?

Three posts - three dodges - why can't you answer the question below?

So, you have both called her a "conservative icon". I'm sure you know what icon means - someone who is an "oracle" - who speaks the supreme truth.

She has said your President is an "idiot", "weak", a "Loser" and a "wimp". She also said today he was the worst President ever when it came to border security.

So, is she a conservative icon? Does she speak the truth? Do her views represent conservative thinking?

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You do realize that there will be border patrol stationed at the places people would “go around” the wall right? Also I think the guards will have a problem with people who walk up with ladders and shovels.

do you really think border patrol just will let a guy dig a hole with a shovel for a month without stopping him? See through wall, with a patrol, after all:

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I've never heard of a see-through concrete wall. Trump must have some wicked magic.

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I say pogo sticks and trampolines would work better. Or maybe a skateBoard or a BMX bike and a ramp. Just jump over the top. Get real with this nonsense.

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The consistent nonsense of a see-through concrete wall?

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things have changed since that. Border patrol prefers something see through. There are numerous border wall prototypes with that functionality. Remember those? We can use them now. Or put a camera on top. Dems funded technology in their bill.

The first lawsuit filed wasn’t even against Trump as to whether he could do this or not as president. Just another eminent domain and environmental suit that have been thrown out already.

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Bill Clinton actually signed the law for it:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/03/supreme-court-lets-dhs-ignore-environmental-laws-to-build-border-wall.html

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So, you have both called her a "conservative icon".

Yes.

I'm sure you know what icon means - someone who is an "oracle" - who speaks the supreme truth.

it also means “fallible.”

She has said your President is an "idiot", "weak", a "Loser" and a "wimp". She also said today he was the worst President ever when it came to border security. 

So, is she a conservative icon? Does she speak the truth? Do her views represent conservative thinking?

Ann says a lot of funny things, the President also called her essentially a whack job. Opponents of Obama and Bush have called them names, Ann was one of those, everyone just shrugged and said, whatever and you know what Lincoln, they are allowed to have their personal opinion, because that’s all that it is, I mean, no one elected them to office, so it doesn’t matter. When they sit in the halls of Congress and have some legislative power, then their opinions matter to a certain degreee, other than that. It’s just hilarious when people like her spout off. But I get it, no one will book her, so....

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so the woman you have hated all this time you now love because she's dissing Trump, lol

I still hate Coulter. She's despicable.

And I still hate Trump. He's despicable, and far more so.

The disintegration of Coulter and Trump's symbiotic media relationship highlights the fundamental hollow center of stupidity that defines the Trump presidency. A weird congregation of inflated and vacuous egos who happened to make it 'big' in the media because of America's appetite for the least nutritious fare as its cultural diet.

It's amazing that we've arrived at a point in history where we have to actually debate the virtue of a person like Donald Trump being POTUS.

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It’s just hilarious when people like her spout off. But I get it, no one will book her, so....

So that's why you bought all her books.

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the President also called her essentially a whack job.

I agree with the president. Ann Coulter is essentially a whack job. That's why I've never been inclined to buy her books, unlike some people I know.

no one elected them to office, so it doesn’t matter. When they sit in the halls of Congress and have some legislative power, then their opinions matter to a certain degreee, 

You're right. That's why I never express my opinion in public, just like Ann Coulter and other 'journalists'.

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I still hate Coulter. She's despicable.

And I still hate Trump. He's despicable, and far more so.

Plastic, I feel the same about most of the House Democrats...as well as the last President.

The disintegration of Coulter and Trump's symbiotic media relationship highlights the fundamental hollow center of stupidity that defines the Trump presidency. A weird congregation of inflated and vacuous egos who happened to make it 'big' in the media because of America's appetite for the least nutritious fare as its cultural diet.

I don’t think so, I think the media in their deepest desperation to hold on and find anything they can to use to attack this President or at the very least try to embarrass him backfired in the worst way. ONLY the media cares about Ann and ONLY the media is giving her importance and she’s loving it, it helps her to seek books and the stupid msm doesn’t get they helped elevate her. Funny, but good for her pocket line. Lol

It's amazing that we've arrived at a point in history where we have to actually debate the virtue of a person like Donald Trump being POTUS.

Yes, liberals and their DTS is off the charts and it’s getting worse by the day.

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if we cared about Ann Coulter we would have elected her the first woman president. We didn’t.

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So, you have both called her a "conservative icon".

Yes.

Thank you...

I'm sure you know what icon means - someone who is an "oracle" - who speaks the supreme truth.

it also means “fallible.”

I'm not sure I'd agree with that - is Hannity fallible? Limbaugh? Alex Jones? Do conservatives believe these icons are fallible? So every time they say something, they could be wrong?

She has said your President is an "idiot", "weak", a "Loser" and a "wimp". She also said today he was the worst President ever when it came to border security. 

So, is she a conservative icon? Does she speak the truth? Do her views represent conservative thinking?

Ann says a lot of funny things, the President also called her essentially a whack job. Opponents of Obama and Bush have called them names, Ann was one of those, everyone just shrugged and said, whatever and you know what Lincoln, they are allowed to have their personal opinion, because that’s all that it is, I mean, no one elected them to office, so it doesn’t matter. When they sit in the halls of Congress and have some legislative power, then their opinions matter to a certain degreee, other than that. It’s just hilarious when people like her spout off. But I get it, no one will book her, so....

Well, first off, I don't think Ann was trying to be funny - I think she was giving her conservative view of Trump - that he is an idiot, lazy, a loser and a wimp.

And Trump calls her a whack job, but you still consider her a conservative icon, per above.

Those two terms are polar opposites - so do you agree with Trump that she's a whack job or do you agree with Coulter that Trump is an idiot.

Only one can be correct - on which side are you?

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If we cared about Ann Coulter we would have elected her the first woman president. We didn’t.

Conservatives care enough to anoint her as a conservative icon - and conservatives buy her books by the ton - so she must be a pretty influential and important person in the conservative movement...

And she just said Trump was the worst President ever in terms of border security, in addition to a variety of other insults..

So same question to you Black - is she a conservative icon that speaks for the conservative movement, or is she a whack job that hasn't a clue?

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I'm not sure I'd agree with that - is Hannity fallible? Limbaugh? Alex Jones? Do conservatives believe these icons are fallible? So every time they say something, they could be wrong?

The bigger question is, do Democrats and liberals think that their socialists gods are fallible?

Well, first off, I don't think Ann was trying to be funny - I think she was giving her conservative view of Trump - that he is an idiot, lazy, a loser and a wimp. 

Ok, good for her. Hannity gave and still on occasion gives his opinion about the last President.

And Trump calls her a whack job, but you still consider her a conservative icon, per above.

Yup.

Those two terms are polar opposites - so do you agree with Trump that she's a whack job or do you agree with Coulter that Trump is an idiot. 

Only one can be correct - on which side are you?

No, I don’t think only one can be correct. I believe you can see things the way you want. Ann has her opinion, Hannity has his and even Don Lemon has one.....hilarious, but he has one...

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I'm not sure I'd agree with that - is Hannity fallible? Limbaugh? Alex Jones? Do conservatives believe these icons are fallible? So every time they say something, they could be wrong?

The bigger question is, do Democrats and liberals think that their socialists gods are fallible?

No Bass, that's a dodge....

Well, first off, I don't think Ann was trying to be funny - I think she was giving her conservative view of Trump - that he is an idiot, lazy, a loser and a wimp. 

Ok, good for her. Hannity gave and still on occasion gives his opinion about the last President.

But Hannity's opinion of Trump and Coulter's opinion of Trump are very different - and they are both conservatives, so who should conservatives believe?

And Trump calls her a whack job, but you still consider her a conservative icon, per above.

Yup.

Those two terms are polar opposites - so do you agree with Trump that she's a whack job or do you agree with Coulter that Trump is an idiot. 

Only one can be correct - on which side are you?

No, I don’t think only one can be correct. I believe you can see things the way you want. Ann has her opinion, Hannity has his and even Don Lemon has one.....hilarious, but he has one

I don't understand - one conservative icon said Trump is an idiot, the other conservative icon thinks he's the best President ever. Both can't be correct - only one of these polar opposite views is true - which one are conservatives supposed to believe? Which one do you believe Bass?

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But Hannity's opinion of Trump and Coulter's opinion of Trump are very different - and they are both conservatives, so who should conservatives believe?

Unlike liberals, conservatives can make up their own minds, I have a lot of opinions about liberals, one day I’ll list them all, might take 12 hours or more, get some chips....

I don't understand - one conservative icon said Trump is an idiot, the other conservative icon thinks he's the best President ever. Both can't be correct -

One had one opinion and the other has another. Kinda like Harry Reid when he said the last President doesn’t even talk like a Black person, that was his personal opinion.

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Why is everyone still fighting? Trump signed the document without a wall. It's over. Let's all move on.

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if we cared about Ann Coulter we would have elected her the first woman president. We didn’t

Thatvwould have been some impressive voter fraud given her name wasn't on the ballot

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Why is everyone still fighting? Trump signed the document without a wall. It's over. Let's all move on.

Yeah, he’ll probably win at least get some of it started by next year after the Surpreme Courts give their final ruling.

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Supreme Court.

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The bigger question is, do Democrats and liberals think that their socialists gods are fallible?

Cop out city.

Have fun trying to sort out your conflicting loyalties to psycho POTUS and psycho Ann Coulter, as well as the existential angst of being a Trump supporter. Let us know next week where you stand. I'm sure it'll be somewhere other than today.

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Have fun trying to sort out your conflicting loyalties to psycho POTUS and psycho Ann Coulter, as well as the existential angst of being a Trump supporter.

Nothing to sort out.

Let us know next week where you stand. I'm sure it'll be somewhere other than today

I already did numerous times, but as usual liberals only accept what they WANT to accept or hear.

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I don’t even care enough about Ann Coulter to answer. Conservatives can be conservatives and liberals can be liberals. Trump isn’t restricted to any of that labeling.

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I don’t even care enough about Ann Coulter to answer. Conservatives can be conservatives and liberals can be liberals. Trump isn’t restricted to any of that labeling.

Bingo!

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But Hannity's opinion of Trump and Coulter's opinion of Trump are very different - and they are both conservatives, so who should conservatives believe?

Unlike liberals, conservatives can make up their own minds, I have a lot of opinions about liberals, one day I’ll list them all, might take 12 hours or more, get some chips....

I don't understand - one conservative icon said Trump is an idiot, the other conservative icon thinks he's the best President ever. Both can't be correct -

One had one opinion and the other has another. Kinda like Harry Reid when he said the last President doesn’t even talk like a Black person, that was his personal opinion.

I don’t even care enough about Ann Coulter to answer. Conservatives can be conservatives and liberals can be liberals. Trump isn’t restricted to any of that labeling.

Both of you are missing the point - here is a conservative icon - one who is very influential in the conservative movement. Many conservatives hang on her every word. They buy her books as soon as they come out. To them, she speaks the conservative truth.

She just called Trump an idiot and the worst President on border security ever. This wasn't her personal opinion, she announced this in the media - this is her official view as a conservative icon and spokesperson.

You either believe her, since she is an icon, or you don't and think she's a whack job, like Trump...

Which one are conservatives to believe?

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Trump did criminal justice reform which is a liberal issue. He’s not a conservative. If we wanted an Ann Coulter type conservative we would have elected her or McCain or Romney. Nope.

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Ask a conservative. Most Trump supporters aren’t so we don’t care. You can ask that 100 more times and my answer 101 more times is “I don’t care about ANY conservative icon”. If they are such an icon and their opinion is so important, run for office against Trump and get elected.

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Trump did criminal justice reform which is a liberal issue. He’s not a conservative. If we wanted an Ann Coulter type conservative we would have elected her or McCain or Romney. Nope.

Interesting - this Trump supporter thinks Trump is not conservative. What do all the other Trumpers here think of that statement?

Ask a conservative. Most Trump supporters aren’t so we don’t care. You can ask that 100 more times and my answer 101 more times is “I don’t care about ANY conservative icon”. If they are such an icon and their opinion is so important, run for office against Trump and get elected.

And here is a Trump supporter that thinks Coulter is not a conservative icon. Do the other Trumpers here agree with that?

He also says most Trump supporters are not conservative. True?

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Both of you are missing the point

I think it’s the other way around.

She just called Trump an idiot and the worst President on border security ever.

Her opinion, we get it, we think differently.

You either believe her, since she is an icon, or you don't and think she's a whack job, like Trump...

Which one are conservatives to believe?

Unlike liberals, conservatives have free thought, Ann can believe whatever and however she wants. That’s the beauty of living in a democracy. We laugh at Ann, like the media that no one believes and gets it wrong every single time, you guys believe them. Sticks and stones...

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I didn’t say Coulter is not a conservative icon. Just said we don’t care about her or any other “icon”. Romney is a conservative, he lost. trump is trump, no label or category. Reading comprehension (and math) are critical skills lacking in liberals.

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