U.S. President Donald Trump delivers a televised address to the nation from his desk in the Oval Office about immigration and the southern U.S. border on the 18th day of a partial government shutdown at the White House in Washington on Tuesday night. Photo: REUTERS/Carlos Barria
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Trump, in TV address, urges Congress to fund border wall

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By Jeff Mason and Richard Cowan

President Donald Trump urged Congress in a televised speech on Tuesday to give him $5.7 billion this year to help build a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico but stopped short of declaring a national emergency to pay for the barrier with military funds.

Facing Democratic opposition in Congress to a wall that he promised to build as a presidential candidate, Trump said in his first prime-time address from the Oval Office that there was a growing security and humanitarian crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Using blunt language in an attempt to win public support, the Republican president said illegal immigrants and drugs flowing across the southern border posed a serious threat to American safety.

"How much more American blood must be shed before Congress does its job?" he said, recounting gruesome details of murders he said were committed by illegal immigrants.

But after days of hinting he might use presidential powers to declare an emergency as a first step toward directing money for the wall without congressional approval, Trump said he would continue seeking a solution to the impasse with Congress.

Trump's speech came 18 days into a partial government shutdown precipitated by his demand for the wall. Public opposition to the shutdown is growing and that could hurt Trump, as he said last month he would be proud to close the government to fight for the wall.

Democratic leaders, in a rebuttal also carried live on national television, accused the president on Tuesday night of using fear tactics and spreading misinformation about the situation along the border.

"The president has chosen fear. We want to start with the facts," said Nancy Pelosi, Democratic speaker of the House of Representatives.

"The fact is, President Trump has chosen to hold hostage critical services for the health, safety and well-being of the American people and withhold the paychecks of 800,000 innocent workers across the nation, many of them veterans," she said.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Tuesday found that 51 percent of adults mainly blamed Trump for the shutdown, up 4 percentage points from late December, while 32 percent blamed congressional Democrats and 7 percent faulted Republicans in Congress.

Republican lawmakers have increasingly expressed concerns about Trump's handling of the long-running dispute.

But he has shown no signs of giving up. He is scheduled to visit the southwest border on Thursday and may still choose to make the national emergency declaration.

Vice President Mike Pence told reporters on Monday the president was considering the possibility and the White House counsel's office was studying its legality.

Democrats and other opponents of a wall have threatened to take legal action if Trump issues an emergency order.

They say he is manufacturing a crisis in a bid to meet his 2016 presidential campaign promise for a wall that he said at the time would be paid for by Mexico. The Mexican government has refused to provide such funds.

Trump was to meet at the White House on Wednesday with Democratic and Republican congressional leaders.

Politics colored the remarks from both sides on Tuesday.

Trump said African-Americans and Hispanics were especially hard hit by the border crisis; both groups are key Democratic constituencies. Pelosi pointedly mentioned that veterans were hurt by the shutdown; Trump has courted veterans as a candidate and as president.

Trump at times tried to adopt a softer tone. "This is a humanitarian crisis, a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul," he said, suggesting that women and children were among the migrants often victimized by trafficking across the border.

Hoping to demonstrate flexibility during his nearly 10-minute speech, Trump said of the border barrier he wants built: "At the request of the Democrats it will be a steel barrier and not a concrete wall."

But Democrats have opposed not just the construction materials to be used, but the extent of a project that could end up costing more than $24 billion over the long run.

Democrats also argue that a mix of fencing, which already has been constructed in many parts of the border, and higher-tech tools would be cheaper and more effective in securing the border.

Pelosi said Trump rejected bipartisan legislation to reopen the government agencies shuttered as a result of the fight over the wall, and that he was obsessed with "forcing American taxpayers to waste billions of dollars on an expensive and ineffective wall."

She has previously called the wall immoral. Trump took issue with that in his speech.

"The only thing that is immoral is the politicians to do nothing and continue to allow more innocent people to be so horribly victimized," he said.

U.S. Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, who delivered a rebuttal along with Pelosi, urged the president to reopen the government while the debate over immigration policies continued.

"The symbol of America should be the Statue of Liberty, not a 30-foot wall," he said. "So our suggestion is a simple one. Mr President: Reopen the government and we can work to resolve our differences over border security. But end this shutdown now."

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The Mexican government has refused to provide such funds.

Didn't Trump promise Mexico would pay for whatever Trump's calling his shiny object today?

Mexico trumped Trump!

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"The democrats asked for a steel slat wall which I agreed too"

No they didn't. 

And why does he keep sniffing so deeply?  Is he on something?

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He had a difficult time reading his own speech...and people still want to help him turn America into a dictatorship. Republican and Liberal parties are urging Trump to open government while continuing to debate border security but HE doesn't want to. Not a democracy he's running. Not a good way to keep GOP on his side either.

10 ( +15 / -5 )

Fear mongering .... is is soooo good at that!

Else wise, guess we didn't hear anything new from him.

"I want that wall, gimme that wall, .... and so on".

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Didn't Trump promise Mexico would pay for whatever Trump's calling his shiny object today?

Mexico trumped Trump!

The Democrats also in the past supported border security, Schumer, Pelosi and Obama and promoted the same thing and now they changed, they can't even define what border security means, so these people say they're for border security, but they want to abolish ICE, they claim that our border agents are rapists and they believe and want open borders and support sanctuary cities, but are silent of the growing crimes and homelessness that is starting to have a serious impact in CA and NYC.

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But after days of hinting that he might use his presidential powers to declare an emergency as a first step toward directing money for the wall without congressional approval, Trump appeared to be willing instead to continue seeking a solution to the impasse with Congress.

Someone finally told Trump he can not unilaterally appropriate funds from other areas of the government to fund this folly of his!

I am tired of Trump and his tweeting games, and his juvenile manner of talking to the public.

This year is going to be interesting to see how it unfolds with the Dem's in charge in the house!

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@bass

Since when did you become an expert on NYC. The homeless problem in NYC has nothing to do with southern immigration control...In fact, the homeless problem in CA has little to do with it as well.

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If I was a border patrol agent working without pay right now these speech would have me torn with laughter and furious at the same time... Talk about a guy who is completely disconnected with reality

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Oh and by the way, concerning that "wall" he mentioned again ... you know, for security purpose around someone else's house ....

.... another good one from this "allmighty, well-knowing, can-do-all" president:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/31/trump-claims-theres-foot-wall-around-obamas-dc-home-neighbors-say-theres-not/?utm_term=.ed061d8774ad

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Someone finally told Trump he can not unilaterally appropriate funds from other areas of the government to fund this folly of his!

Actually, he can.

I am tired of Trump and his tweeting games, and his juvenile manner of talking to the public.

We are tired of the Democrats claiming that they want border security, but end up doing nothing....ever!

Since when did you become an expert on NYC. The homeless problem in NYC has nothing to do with southern immigration control...In fact, the homeless problem in CA has little to do with it as well.

It's a sanctuary city, if you are an illegal alien, you have now a few choices. Come on! It has everything to do with stopping the tide so that we have less of illegals coming in and taking refuge in these sanctuary cities.

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His speech was just a bunch of lies..like his whole presidency...sad very sad...

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klausdorthToday 12:17 pm JST

Oh and by the way, concerning that "wall" he mentioned again ... you know, for security purpose around someone else's house ....

.... another good one from this "allmighty, well-knowing, can-do-all" president:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/31/trump-claims-theres-foot-wall-around-obamas-dc-home-neighbors-say-theres-not/?utm_term=.ed061d8774ad

Well, this is the same man who said that some of his predecessors told him they should have built the wall themselves, which all four of them have denied.

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Sen. Chuck Schumer made the argument that if you give Trump $5B now, then the costs could eventually mount to ending up being in the neighborhood of $70B. In other words, give and inch, give a mile. And what good would it do? Most of the drugs coming in come in through legal ports of entry and the terrorists are being rounded up and arrested at airports.

So why does this wall have to be built? To satisfy one man's selfishness? And why is this national crisis happening now when the GOP controlled the major branches of government for the past 2 years? And whatever happened to Mexico paying for all of it?

There are smart ways to do this and there are really dumb ways to do this. Trump's way is the really dumb way. The Siegfried Line didn't save the Germans in WWII and the Trump Wall won't make any difference whatsoever either.

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Well, this is the same man who said that some of his predecessors told him they should have built the wall themselves, which all four of them have denied.

But wanted border security nonetheless.

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Stirring stuff.  Even if his delivery was a bit iffy.

Truth is that the 5 billion is peanuts compared to overall government spending, much of it on similar pork type projects.

Give him his "barrier" and get on with the real issues of government.

Pictures of the "caravan" at the current "barrier" climbing on it and charging it and so on don't in any way support the Dems argument on this one.

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Actually, he can.

Not when it's not an actual national emergency. He would be stopped in his tracks. He has a HUGE problem of shooting off his mouth and letting others think for him later.

We are tired of the Democrats claiming that they want border security, but end up doing nothing....ever!

Really? He had two years of controlling both houses and it becomes the Democrats fault now that they hold control in the house? That is hypocrisy at best

No one disagrees that there is a problem with border security. But a wall is not the answer.

Just like so many other things in the US, no one, neither democrats nor republicans are willing to admit their mistakes. And neither is willing to correct the roots of the problem.

Trump's "wall" idea is the same as using a band-aid to close the burst artery!

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Oh on a separate note, why are not the supporters of Trump holding Trump's feet to the fire for reneging on his "promise" to have Mexico fund the wall?

Don't obfuscate it, don't deflect it, give a straight answer......(I know, you can't)

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Great deflection from the latest Manafort bombshell about Kilimnik.

And as for the fear-mongering about migrants?

*And research indicates that undocumented immigrants are much less likely to commit crime than native-born American citizens. The White House suggested at the weekend that thousands of terrorists were caught attempting to cross the US-Mexico border, but in fact all but a handful were stopped at airports.*

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46805568

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Pathetic speech from Donny boy, he had difficulty reading from the teleprompter.

Great smackdown from Schumer and Pelosi.

Loved it!!

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As a practical matter that is one long arsed border to build a wall.

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Just except that the Hilary lost and stop destroying America.

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Every 12 minutes a human being is killed in US by guns ignored by Trump and his hypocritical gang... Millions and millions of naive fools work for pennies as slaves for greedy executives... Millions and millions of high priority problems...

And everybody talks about a useless wall... People, please get back to work, enough wasting time arguing with a 1st grader. Please ignore him, don't try to dig in poop because it is very stinky already enough.

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Schumer nailed it :

Most presidents have used Oval Office addresses for noble purposes. This president just used the backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear, and divert attention from the turmoil in his Administration.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683230863/transcript-trumps-address-on-border-security-and-democrats-response

Trump continues to show how weak and ineffective he is as president.

But given how ineffective he was as a businessman (bankruptcies, legal challenges, having to borrow from and deal with global and domestic criminal gangs, etc.), that's what MOST Americans expected.

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why are not the supporters of Trump holding Trump's feet to the fire for reneging on his "promise" to have Mexico fund the wall?

Don't obfuscate it, don't deflect it, give a straight answer......(I know, you can't)

Look,, I personally didn’t think Mexico was going to pay for it, but who funds it doesn’t matter, the point is, it should be built or are you saying the House you love in doesn’t have a door? Yes or No? Would you allow anyone to just Walz into your private space? I can forgive the rhetoric on who pays for the wall, I just want it built, the Dems and Trump were on the same exact page, let’s hold their feet to the fire because now they backtracked on an issue they and the President both once agreed upon.

And as for the fear-mongering about migrants?

With good reason.

And research indicates that **undocumented immigrants are much less likely to commit crime than native-born American citizens.** The White House suggested at the weekend that thousands of terrorists were caught attempting to cross the US-Mexico border, but in fact all but a handful were stopped at airports.

The facts are against you.

https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txcriminalalienstatistics.htm

https://cis.org/Arthur/Why-Democrats-Will-Be-Blamed-Shutdown

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We now know that the entire Trump 'business' empire was one big scam from the beginning, but at the time of the election, the full horror story was not known. Some people then still thought he had some talent in that area. His cover is well and truly blown now, though. So where does that leave him?

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Pitiful, just pitiful...

He sent out his fearmongering lieutenants (Pence and Saunders) over the weekend who get caught outright spreading lies and falsehoods by none other than Fox News...so sweet...

Only 6 individuals on the terror watch list out of 4,000 were caught at the southern border - the rest came thru airports and seaports - the same ports that are now understaffed by TSA and Coast Guard because of the Trump Shutdown.

Trump has caved from Mexico will pay for the wall, to it being pre-formed concrete, to I'll only take $5.6 billion - Pelosi and Schumer have shown real backbone - they didn't need any talking media heads to stiffen their spine. 

You ain't getting your wall Donnie - back down (again) now and save yourself from more humiliation...

And do you job - sign the House funding bill to get our TSA and CG workers back on the job - then we can talk more about your "wall", or is it now "fence", or maybe "barrier"...

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Trump continues to show how weak and ineffective he is as president. 

How with over 200 accomplishments? Huh?

But given how ineffective he was as a businessman (bankruptcies, legal challenges, having to borrow from and deal with global and domestic criminal gangs, etc.), that's what MOST Americans expected.

Well, if that were true then you wouldn’t have so much property, money, hundreds of golf courses, beautiful women, being the president of the United States and before that having a very successful TV show, there’s no web for people or broke people can achieve any of that.

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Look,, I personally didn’t think Mexico was going to pay for it, but who funds it doesn’t matter, the point is, it should be built or are you saying the House you love in doesn’t have a door? Yes or No? Would you allow anyone to just Walz into your private space? I can forgive the rhetoric on who pays for the wall, I just want it built, the Dems and Trump were on the same exact page, let’s hold their feet to the fire because now they backtracked on an issue they and the President both once agreed upon.

Wait a minute, wait a minute - Trump said multiple times - "Mexico will pay for the wall - mark my words, mark my words".....

He said "mark my words twice" for emphasis...so what happened?  

If he was going to weasel out of it like he is now, don't you think he might have said it only once? 

This is the word of our President who said twice in the same sentence to "mark" his words...OK, we did - why isn't Mexico paying for the wall?

And as for the fear-mongering about migrants?

With good reason.

And research indicates that **undocumented immigrants are much less likely to commit crime than native-born American citizens.** The White House suggested at the weekend that thousands of terrorists were caught attempting to cross the US-Mexico border, but in fact all but a handful were stopped at airports.

The facts are against you.

What facts - far right conspiracy theories? Here's facts - of all the major mass shooting incidents over the past five years have been done by disenfranchised white males who sit at home and count their guns in their basements - remind you of a typical supporter of anyone?

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@bass I thought Trump only had 17 golf courses....so much money and property you now this personally no one knows hence the call to release his tax returns....Beautiful women you were saying stormy is not your type a has been....well give you the tv show one...your right he is the greatest conman of all times...

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rump continues to show how weak and ineffective he is as president. 

@bas4 How with over 200 accomplishments? Huh?

Indeed, he and the GOP's tax reform has helped Trump and the US's wealthiest get even richer.

He's also reduced environmental, consumer and worker protections - for the benefit of the US's wealthiest. How's Trumpcare coming along? infrastructure?

Re the 'wall' (or whatever he's calling his latest squirrel) he's shown he's staggeringly ineffective, and the world has seen how Mexico's aced him. Why did Trump lie (again) today saying he'd found a way for Mexico to pay up?

@bas4 Well, if that were true then you wouldn’t have so much

If he shows his most current taxes, we might know what's true. Until then, I won't believe a single thing he says. For all I know Russian oligarchs have control of the papers to his properties.

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@bass

Your first link is broken. Your second article looks like a bias piece written by an upset community college student. And actual research does show, prove, that undocumented/documented immigrants commit much less crime than native born citizens. Even if they were all mass criminals, which they aren't, the ratio of native to immigrants alone would surpass them. It's really hard for you to argue that when even the right wing media that bothers to cover it admits this. So Who knows where you get your facts from.

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I thought Trump only had 17 golf courses....

More than the average rich person.

so much money and property you now this personally no one knows hence the call to release his tax returns....

Will that put money and food on your table? I want to see Hillary’s foundations records as well, but in the long run, it’s not going to improve my life.

Beautiful women you were saying stormy is not your type a has been....well give you the tv show one...your right he is the greatest conman of all times.

I wasn’t talking about......Ahem, Stormy.

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Your first link is broken. Your second article looks like a bias piece written by an upset community college student.

So now you understand how we feel when we read virtually every liberal site.

And actual research does show, prove, that undocumented/documented immigrants commit much less crime than native born citizens. Even if they were all mass criminals, which they aren't, the ratio of native to immigrants alone would surpass them. It's really hard for you to argue that when even the right wing media that bothers to cover it admits this. So Who knows where you get your facts from.

Well, if you don’t want to acknowledge the CIS, then you don’t have to. I also reject every liberal bias report, so there.

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Facts are such inconvenient things:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/09/fact-checking-president-trumps-oval-office-address-immigration/?utm_term=.6831dcc034d7

So true.  And isn't it sad that when our President speaks, for 70% of Americans its not to listen to the content - but to be on guard for the many lies and falsehoods that come with every sentence. 

Our President is a serial liar - it may be a chronic mental condition or just a weakness of character, but it is a defect that makes him unfit for office.   

Every sentence, every word spoken, is likely to be a lie.  And as a result, there is no trust, from either America's citizens or the leaders of other nation's we must deal with, when we have someone so flawed as President.

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@bas4  I also reject every liberal bias report, so there.

Thank you for honest-ing up and admitting you're a partisan extremist.

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Trump is rich and promiscuous and therefore a successful genius. He is also deeply moral because he gave up his reality TV job to be president. He has singlehandedly accomplished 200 things, just like Heinz has 57 varieties of pickles and KFC uses 11 secret herbs and spices. Trump sticks it to the liberal press because they don't respect his very big brain and its vision to build the greatest America in the history of the planet. Trump knows this starts with a big beautiful wall to keep out terrorist Latino drug dealer murderers. Liberals are his enemies. They want to bring in bad brown people to vote for crooked Hillary and her agenda to turn America into a radical Marxist multicultural hell hole.

Hold the line, Mr. President!

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@bass

The CIS was founded by a white supremacist who is against any kind of immigration legal or not because it deters from his goal of having a white nation...In other words, its B.S. They are disputed by almost every fact checker on the political spectrum dude...FFS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

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So true. And isn't it sad that when our President speaks, for 70% of Americans its not to listen to the content - but to be on guard for the many lies and falsehoods that come with every sentence. 

The speech seemed to be very on point.

Every sentence, every word spoken, is likely to be a lie. And as a result, there is no trust, from either America's citizens or the leaders of other nation's we must deal with, when we have someone so flawed as President.

Well, liberals and the Democrats never trusted this President in the same way Conservatives and Republicans didn’t trust the previous one, the only thing that matters is Trump’s base and the Republicans believe him, that’s his main audience and the rest doesn’t matter.

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@bass hundreds of golf courses is a little bit different to 17 but hey thats fine exaggeration has always been one of your strong points...

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@bass

If the rest doesn't matter, why isn't the wall getting built? No logic in your statement...

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The point of his prime time address was to sway non believers into thinking his wall was a logical method for border security. It didn't work.

So the rest do matter, maybe not to you, but to Trump they do. Too bad he can't have them.

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Look,, I personally didn’t think Mexico was going to pay for it, but who funds it doesn’t matter,

Nice try, it matters! Trying to weasel out by making it your "own opinion" is disingenuous. Trump promised on more than one occasion that Mexico is going to pay for it, and your jumping on the bandwagon and trying to twist the discussion into something different just weakens your own position.

There is no need for a wall if the countries from where all these people are coming from would be stable and have safe societies. The US could go a long way towards improving the lives of people in Cent. America and get at the root of the problems of poverty in the hemishpere.

But no, you would rather have the US waste billions upon billions of dollars on a white elephant that will do little to stop people from entering the country illegally!

the point is, it should be built or are you saying the House you love in doesn’t have a door? Yes or No?

My house is not a country! Not the same thing. Your home is not a country either. Try something different next time.

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@bas4 that’s his main audience and the rest doesn’t matter.

Thanks for honest-ing up and admitting you're a partisan extremist who scorns democracy.

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bass4funkToday 04:38 pm JST

Well, liberals and the Democrats never trusted this President in the same way Conservatives and Republicans didn’t trust the previous one, the only thing that matters is Trump’s base and the Republicans believe him, that’s his main audience and the rest doesn’t matter.

So anything that Trump might have said about governing for all Americans, e.g. in his own inaugural address:

The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans. So to all Americans... Together, we will make America strong again. We will make America wealthy again. We will make America proud again. We will make America safe again. And yes, together, we will make America great again.

... is basically nonsense?

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Well, if you don’t want to acknowledge the CIS, then you don’t have to. I also reject every liberal bias report, so there.

The CIS is an officially designated hate group that attacks immigrants based on race, and regularly associates with and publishes articles from white nationalists and antisemites. No wonder Trump fans love it so much.

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Greatest POTUS ever. Democrats had better get with the program.

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RINOS too, lol.

-12 ( +0 / -12 )

Predictable responses here by people who probably didn’t even watch it. National emergencies have been declared for many countries issues that have nothing to do with the USA. This issue does.

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SerranoToday 05:13 pm JST

Greatest POTUS ever. Democrats had better get with the program.

The "greatest POTUS ever" would have talked the Democrats into getting with the program right from day one of his presidency and the border would now be 100% secure. But here's Trump making televised addresses that don't seem to have accomplished a whole lot.

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Well that was a waste of time. I’m guessing he brought the statistical equivalent of zero people over to his cause.

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The whole purpose was to raise re-election funds from his gullible supporters/victims on the pretence they were paying for the wall! One born every day...

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So true. And isn't it sad that when our President speaks, for 70% of Americans its not to listen to the content - but to be on guard for the many lies and falsehoods that come with every sentence. 

The speech seemed to be very on point.

I guess we've come to the point that Trump supporters don't even respond to the posted comment - they just post some random pro-Trump, off-topic, statement...

Every sentence, every word spoken, is likely to be a lie. And as a result, there is no trust, from either America's citizens or the leaders of other nation's we must deal with, when we have someone so flawed as President.

Well, liberals and the Democrats never trusted this President in the same way Conservatives and Republicans didn’t trust the previous one, the only thing that matters is Trump’s base and the Republicans believe him, that’s his main audience and the rest doesn’t matter.

See above... And I guess this means that Trump is not the President of the US - he's the President just for the 30% of the US that is still somehow bamboozled to support him. That's a damning admission - it means he's illegitimate.

Greatest POTUS ever. Democrats had better get with the program.

Predictable responses here by people who probably didn’t even watch it. National emergencies have been declared for many countries issues that have nothing to do with the USA. This issue does.

Putin's rubles at work...

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"The "greatest POTUS ever" would have talked the Democrats into getting with the program right from day one of his presidency"

Talking to the Democrats is like talking to a combination of spoiled brats and a brick wall.

Oh my! This man has it nailed! -

Mark Levin blasts Democrat response to Trump address

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9QS9gnd3gU

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If the rest doesn't matter, why isn't the wall getting built? No logic in your statement..

So what was the Democrats excuse? In 2006 they passed an immigration bill, they all wanted a wall...fence, something to stop the flow of illegals, what changed?

Let me guess, the person occupying the WH. Pretty lame excuse.

The CIS is an officially designated hate group that attacks immigrants based on race, and regularly associates with and publishes articles from white nationalists and antisemites. No wonder Trump fans love it so much.

Because the want sealed borders? Don’t you guys EVER get tired of playing the race card? I’m serious. If wanting sealed secured borders is racist, well....whatever fits the liberal narrative I guess.

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"The "greatest POTUS ever" would have talked the Democrats into getting with the program right from day one of his presidency"

Talking to the Democrats is like talking to a combination of spoiled brats and a brick wall.

Wow, so Trump has caved again? We've gone from Mexico paying, to a taxpayer pre-formed concrete wall, to a steel-slat one, now to a brick wall! Oh my!

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"Wow, so Trump has caved again?"

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha, oh, man, thanks for the knee slapper, lincoln!

Question: Is the government open yet? It's a yes or no question, lincoln.

Hint: The answer is no, which means... drum roll... Trump hasn't caved!

Jordan fades back... swoosh.... and THAT'S THE GAME! No further questions, your honor.

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Because the want sealed borders?

Befause of their promotion of antisemitism and white nationalism. That’s why they’re an officially designated hate group - that’s a fact, not an opinion. A hate group you regularly cite. I wonder why.

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Wow, so Trump has caved again?"

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha, oh, man, thanks for the knee slapper, lincoln!

My pleasure...

Question: Is the government open yet? It's a yes or no question, lincoln.

Ask the ISIS terrorist who is standing in line at a US airport with no TSA security to identify and detain him...

Hint: The answer is no, which means... drum roll... Trump hasn't caved!

Mexico will pay for the wall - MARK MY WORDS....

It will be a beautiful pre-formed concrete wall...

I won't accept less than $5.6 billion...

It will be a fence...

It will be a barrier...

Donnie the Caveman - just call him Fred Flintstone...

Jordan fades back... swoosh.... and THAT'S THE GAME! No further questions, your honor.

And the SS Trump slides under the waves...keep holding the line....

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so there is no TSA at the airports? When did this happen?

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It appeared President Trump leaked (probably through a Deep State stooge) that he was going to declare a national emergency.

So, the democrats tape a prebuttal and used between 200 and 500 staffers to write the prebuttal to his non-existent national emergency declaration.

He then did NOT declare a national emergency, and instead listed people who were raped and killed by illegal invaders entering our country.

The democrat pre-taped rebuttal wasn’t even pertinent to what the POTUS was talking about. Our President laid a trap to make them look like fools on national television, and on cue they walked right into it.

Bravo, President Trump. Well played, sir.

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You guys cite. NYT, Mother Jones, CNN, CBS and msnbc they’re also hate groups, wonder why?

No, they’re not. None of these are officially designated hate groups, unlike the CIS, which is. What you said is a lie.

Not surprised to see you also boosting Tucker Carlson, the Daily Stormer’s favourite personality and a white nationalist propagandist.

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“Anyone who just watched Trump’s address, the most presidential he has ever delivered in his life, and still thinks he will be easy to beat, is living in fantasyland. He is not to be underestimated and too many Dems continue to do it. We better nominate a battle tested fighter.”

who said this? Any guesses?

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No, they’re not. None of these are officially designated hate groups, unlike the CIS, which is. What you said is a lie.

Not surprised to see you also boosting Tucker Carlson, the Daily Stormer’s favourite personality and a white nationalist propagandist.

Well stated. I don't know why the Trump supporters here consistently cite far-right wing, fringe, hate groups...there's no way I'm opening any of those links - they may lead right back to the Internet Research Agency...

It appeared President Trump leaked (probably through a Deep State stooge) that he was going to declare a national emergency.

Might have been Melania...

So, the democrats tape a prebuttal and used between 200 and 500 staffers to write the prebuttal to his non-existent national emergency declaration.

Where go you get these fantasies? Were you in the room at the DNC?

He then did NOT declare a national emergency, and instead listed people who were raped and killed by illegal invaders entering our country.

Which was fact-checked and proved to be another lie...

*Fact check: **The president is right about the total number of arrests of immigrants with criminal records that ICE has arrested over the past two years. But that number alone is misleading, because many of those of immigrants have very likely committed immigration-related offenses rather than violent crimes as the president is suggesting.*

Trump has frequently pointed to sympathetic crime victims to justify his crackdown on illegal immigration. But experts say the president's rhetoric overstates the threat posed by immigrants, who tend to commit crime at lower rates than people who are born in the United States — including murder and other violent crimes.

Claim 4: Illegal drugs

"Our Southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs. ... My administration has presented Congress with a detailed proposal to secure the border and stop the criminal gangs, drug smugglers and human traffickers. It's a tremendous problem."

*Fact check: **According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs imported to the U.S. from Mexico are smuggled through legal ports of entry. Only a small fraction comes through parts of the border that would be covered by a wall.*

The democrat pre-taped rebuttal wasn’t even pertinent to what the POTUS was talking about. Our President laid a trap to make them look like fools on national television, and on cue they walked right into it.

He looked like the serial liar he is - and was humiliated when fact checkers proved again he was lying through his teeth...

Bravo, President Trump. Well played, sir.

Yes Mr President, you got played for a sucker...

And we also find out today Manafort engaged in collusion (sharing campaign info) with Russian Intel agents....

Keep talking about the wall while the noose gets tighter...

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No, they’re not. None of these are officially designated hate groups, unlike the CIS, which is. What you said is a lie.

Ok, demeaning the President, constantly belittling White people, labeling all Whites as racist, using identity politics, racism is racism, whether it is towards a minority or White people the media networks repeallr.

Not surprised to see you also boosting Tucker Carlson, the Daily Stormer’s favourite personality and a white nationalist propagandist

Ok, so basically, if you're a conservative you’re not allowed to watch opposing viewpoints.

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Well stated. I don't know why the Trump supporters here consistently cite far-right wing, fringe, hate groups...there's no way I'm opening any of those links - they may lead right back to the Internet Research Agency...

But support8ng left groups is somehow ok and justifiable?

*Fact check: **The president is right about the total number of arrests of immigrants with criminal records that ICE has arrested over the past two years. But that number alone is misleading, because many of those of immigrants have very likely committed immigration-related offenses rather than violent crimes as the president is suggesting.*

Which makes my point for me. Illegal immigration on all levels is bad and must be stopped, which is what the President is trying to undertake. Give him credit.

F*Fact check: **According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs imported to the U.S. from Mexico are smuggled through legal ports of entry. Only a small fraction comes through parts of the border that would be covered by a wall.*

Which makes it all equally important to know who and what comes through that border.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45564744

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The Democrats also in the past supported border security, Schumer, Pelosi and Obama and promoted the same thing and now they changed, they can't even define what border security means, so these people say they're for border security, but they want to abolish ICE, they claim that our border agents are rapists and they believe and want open borders and support sanctuary cities, but are silent of the growing crimes and homelessness that is starting to have a serious impact in CA and NYC.

This is a completely irrelevant response to a post that reminded everyone Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall.

If Trump would stop lying and his supporters stop making excuses for his lying, we may be able to move forward. Unfortunately, this is as likely to happen as a pig taking flight of its own accord.

ROFL! Unicornverse. Lol. HAR! Smh. Oh my . . .

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*President Donald Trump says in an Oval Office address that there is a "growing humanitarian and security crisis" at the U.S.-Mexico border,* though crossings have fallen in recent years.

It looks like Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus given he admits crossings have fallen in recent years (thanks Obama), which is counter to his supporters screams about waves and waves of undocumented immigrants crossing. How's it feel when your idol makes you a liar when all you were trying to do was support him?

*The president said Tuesday night that all Americans are hurt by uncontrolled illegal immigration. He says it strains public resources and* drives down jobs and wages.

I thought the economy was roaring? Let's put our conservative black and white glasses on: the economy is either roaring or jobs and wages are being driven down. Which is it? You cannot have it both ways.

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"People have walls around their homes not because they hate the people on the outside but because they love the people on the inside."

An out of the park home run, Mr. President.

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The economy IS roaring but couid be doing even better without the negatives of illegal immigration. Not mutually exclusive things.

All the fact checks have irrelevant disclaimers that try to make them “misleading”. They aren’t.

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An out of the park home run, Mr. President.

If a wall around a private residence were even close to the equivalent of a wall along a border, it may have been a single at best.

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This is a completely irrelevant response to a post that reminded everyone Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall.

Still hung up on that, forget Mexico, so what are the Democrats solution to border security since backing off on originally agreeing with Trump.

If Trump would stop lying and his supporters stop making excuses for his lying, we may be able to move forward. Unfortunately, this is as likely to happen as a pig taking flight of its own accord.

If the Democrats didn’t do anything in 35 years to stop illegal crossing and looking at the numbers in California alone shows that it’s worse than previously thought then why would they decide now all of a sudden to take action? It just doesn’t make sense.

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Still hung up on that, forget Mexico, so what are the Democrats solution to border security since backing off on originally agreeing with Trump.

You guys still whine about Obamas saying you could keep your doctor, so what are you bitching about? Try providing a relevant response.

If the Democrats didn’t do anything in 35 years to stop illegal crossing and looking at the numbers in California alone shows that it’s worse than previously thought then why would they decide now all of a sudden to take action? It just doesn’t make sense.

You were just saying how the Dems were for a barrier, but now you're claiming they weren't? Which is it? A little consistency, if it's not too much trouble.

The problem isn't getting worse, please stop repeating that falsehood.

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It looks like Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus given he admits crossings have fallen in recent years (thanks Obama),

From Mexico that’s right, but rising from countries like El Salvador, Guatamala and Honduras.

Thanks Democrats for not doing anything.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/12/07/rise-in-u-s-immigrants-from-el-salvador-guatemala-and-honduras-outpaces-growth-from-elsewhere/

which is counter to his supporters screams about waves and waves of undocumented immigrants crossing. How's it feel when your idol makes you a liar when all you were trying to do was support him?

When the Dems do it, like crap.

*The president said Tuesday night that all Americans are hurt by uncontrolled illegal immigration. He says it strains public resources and* drives down jobs and wages.

Hes absolutely right about that.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/24/illegal-immigration-hurts-black-americans-most/

I thought the economy was roaring? Let's put our conservative black and white glasses on: the economy is either roaring or jobs and wages are being driven down. Which is it? You cannot have it both ways.

it is, but as long as you have illegal immigration, it’ll always hurt minorities the most.

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Nancy couldn't even bring herself past her loathing of police and legal immigrants to mention the cop that was slain in her state that our President talked about in his Oval Office address. What's more, not one democrat politician at the local, state or national level attended funeral, but the ambassador of Fiji was there. How sad is that?

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From Mexico that’s right, but rising from countries like El Salvador, Guatamala and Honduras.

There are more people going southbacriss the southern border than north. Scream all you want, but it won't change this fact. How's it feel when the msn you slavishly worship stabs you in the back?

Thanks Democrats for not doing anything.

Didn't they vote for a wall when Obama was a senator, or were you spreading a falsehood?

When the Dems do it, like crap

The Dems aren't Trump and haven't been playing you all for fools. That's your boy, Trump.

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If the Democrats didn’t do anything in 35 years to stop illegal crossing and looking at the numbers in California alone shows that it’s worse than previously thought then why would they decide now all of a sudden to take action? It just doesn’t make sense.

More baseless empty hyper-partisan rhetoric that does nothing to further the conversation.

Thanks Democrats for not doing anything.

More baseless empty hyper-partisan rhetoric that does nothing to further the conversation.

When the Dems do it, like crap.

More baseless empty hyper-partisan rhetoric that does nothing to further the conversation.

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What's more, not one democrat politician at the local, state or national level attended funeral

Was Trump at the funeral?

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"People have walls around their homes not because they hate the people on the outside but because they love the people on the inside."

An out of the park home run, Mr. President.

Wait, are you saying you guys and Trump love the Californians? The New Yorkers? The Liberals? The LGBTQ? The Democrats? Chuck? Nancy?

Seems you're claiming to love, after a couple decades of hate. Are we supposed to listen to your words or your actions?

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There are more people going southbacriss the southern border than north. Scream all you want, but it won't change this fact. How's it feel when the msn you slavishly worship stabs you in the back?

No one is screaming except for people that are suffering at the hands of illegal crimes, crimes which are completely preventable if Democrats would join in a bipartisan effort to stop the flow of illegal immigration as well as drugs and crime.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/central-americas-violent-northern-triangle

Didn't they vote for a wall when Obama was a senator, or were you spreading a falsehood?

And still nothing was built or implemented.

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No one is screaming except for people that are suffering at the hands of illegal crimes,

Lolrus No they aren't. Trump's core of angry, intellectually deficient supporters are, but not those living on the border. How many of those living on the border don't even want the dumb wall? Good grief.

crimes which are completely preventable if 

Lolopus. Now Trump fiends care about preventable crime?

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How many of those living on the border don't even want the dumb wall? Good grief.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/350217-americans-support-a-border-wall-more-than-the-media-wants-to-believe

Lolopus. Now Trump fiends care about preventable crime?

35 years and the Democrats did nothing, so what’s their excuse?

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Japan's own immigration problems are more complicated than America's: a growing population of immigrants in Japan with no path to citizenship because doing so would threaten the power structure. But a population of second-class citizens is a ticking time bomb.

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If the chicken livered bone(spurs)head wants it so badly, let him build it with chicken wire, out of his own pocket.

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35 years and the Democrats did nothing, so what’s their excuse?

How is 5 billion dollars going to stop a 5 dollar ladder?

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One, I have never seen a “rebuttal” allowed to a presidential address from the Oval Office.

Two, all these “safe places” along the border are conveniently locatedwhere there are points of entry with a wall and security. This is also where all the drugs are intercepted. It’s not a coincidence.

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Ok, demeaning the President, constantly belittling White people, labeling all Whites as racist, using identity politics, racism is racism, whether it is towards a minority or White people the media networks repeallr.

None of these news outlets have demeaned the President (if anything they are too indulgent - see their airing of his fact-free rant last night), none of them have labelled all white people racist, and - and this is important, so I'm going to give it to you for the third time now - none of them are officially listed as hate groups. The CIS is officially listed as a hate group for its support of white nationalism, antisemitism, and racism. Just because you personally doesn't like a news outlet, it doesn't make them a hate group. Inventing wrongs they've done out of whole cloth also doesn't make them hate groups. You've been caught in a lie: just admit it, and we can move on.

repeallr

What on earth does this mean?

Ok, so basically, if you're a conservative you’re not allowed to watch opposing viewpoints.

You don't think Tucker Carlson is an opposing viewpoint. He is a white nationalist propagandist who is lauded by the Neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer, and you regularly cite him as being a wise source and an authority you respect. This speaks volumes to both Trump's racist agenda and to your own far-right positions.

But support8ng left groups is somehow ok and justifiable?

Yes. There is a world of difference between the American left and the American right. To take one example, the left wants to prevent children legally seeking asylum from being murdered through neglect in US concentration camps. The right wants these needless deaths to happen. As Mitt Romney said, they are in morally different universes.

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I'm surprised Trump thought his speech would change anything. Surely someone in his inner circle has told him he has a credibility problem because of all the constant lying.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Tuesday found that 51 percent of adults mainly blamed Trump for the shutdown, up 4 percentage points from late December, while 32 percent blamed congressional Democrats and 7 percent faulted Republicans in Congress.

So 58% blame Trump and Republicans, 32% blame Democrats.

He should release his government hostages and move on.

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Texas:  to mention the cop that was slain in her state that our President talked about in his Oval Office address

Just pretend the cop was one of 20 kids killed in a school shooting. Shrug, say thoughts and prayers, and move on. Can't be helped.

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bass4funk: if Democrats would join in a bipartisan effort to stop the flow of illegal immigration 

Democrats helped pass bipartisan immigration reform in the Senate. It would have passed the House but they refused to vote since they knew it would pass and the fringe Right members would have gone into scorched earth meltdown. It's what happens when the GOP gets so bad they'll eat their own.

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Let’s NOT pretend that, it’s disrespectful. Let’s deal with the facts that a legal immigrant law enforcement officer was murdered by an illegal immigrant. We have facts, pretending isn’t necessary. I’m so sorry this ruins all your let’s distract from what really happened narratives.

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“Fortunately, the public is still smarter than they realize. A Morning Consult/POLITICO poll released Tuesday found that 42 percent of respondents agree with Trump that illegal immigration is a crisis, while an additional 37 percent see it as a problem, with just 12 percent seeing nothing amiss at the border.”

wow 79 percent say it’s a crisis or a problem. What’s the Dem solution? They didn’t describe even one thing they will do to prevent everyone from Mexico and beyond from just walking into our country.

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blacklabel: Let’s deal with the facts that a legal immigrant law enforcement officer was murdered by an illegal immigrant. We have facts, pretending isn’t necessary. I’m so sorry this ruins all your let’s distract from what really happened narratives.

I'm not debating the facts, just questioning the selective outrage. If the name "Ronil Singh" was of a 5th grader killed in a school shooting you wouldn't know his name. And you'd be telling us nothing needs to change. Shrug. Thoughts and prayers.

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What’s the Dem solution? 

Not Reagan's. Reagan gave out 3M greencards back in the 80s. The average Trump voter should remember this since they were in their 40s at that time. Obama never did that. What is a simple wall going to do except be defeated with ladders. Defeat a $5 billion wall with a fifty dollar ladder.

using words such a “concentration camps”

Trump snatched children cruelly from parents.

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I'm really disappointed with Trump. Certainly he could schedule this TV address so it doesn't interrupt prime-time TV. Have the address at 5pm or 11pm ET.

The Dems should offer $0.2M more than last year's budget and cut DoD spending by $0.4M, just sneak this part in.

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Applied to the people that have had a history of causing death mayhem and destruction.

So can anyone point out the "history of death, mayhem, and destruction" by any group or country you might be associated with and use that as a reason to suspect you personally?

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Low energy, riddled with lies, a mess. Trump is just not fit for office. Sad really.

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I'm not debating the facts, just questioning the selective outrage. If the name "Ronil Singh" was of a 5th grader killed in a school shooting you wouldn't know his name. And you'd be telling us nothing needs to change. Shrug. Thoughts and prayers.

Selective outrage? You really want to go there? Liberals never, ever bring up dead Americans, they’re always on the side of the Democrats and their open door policies that put Americans at danger and who do they blame? Never the perpetrators, that’s for sure.

https://www.thedustininmansociety.org/no_more_deaths/no_more_deaths.html

Not a word from Chuck and Nancy, not a single word from any of these Democrats!

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we are talking about people that come from countries that have a long and violent history involving the US.

Yes, Mexico according to Trump and his base. They say many ISIS members are coming through the Mexican border.

Proof:

“We have terrorists that we have stopped crossing our border,”

(Hannity)

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So can anyone point out the "history of death, mayhem, and destruction" by any group or country you might be associated with and use that as a reason to suspect you personally?

I’m specifically talking about many of the gangs from Central American and even from Mexico, elements from the drug cartels or gangs like MS-13 or 18th St. all the way to radical Islamists.

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I’m specifically talking about many of the gangs

No! Hannity is specifically talking about ISIS coming through the border (MS-13 does not blow up government buildings and generally don't target common people). That requires Trump's original 50 ft x 2,000 mile solid concrete call. 5 billions dollars? Are you joking? Better add a couple of zeros after that. MS13? What a joke. ISIS is the group who wants to use a dirty bomb in the USA.

Gangs? Compared to ISIS? What Hannity is worried about? Gangs are a joke.

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bass: I’m specifically talking about many of the gangs from Central American and even from Mexico, elements from the drug cartels or gangs like MS-13 or 18th St. all the way to radical Islamists.

Well, let's take inventory.

You support denying housing to blacks because of their history of crime. You support denying Constitutional rights of Latinos in Arizona because of the history of illegal immigration. You support a shutdown on Muslims entering America because of their history of terrorism.

Have you ever said that you support suspending rights for white male gun owners because of their history of mass shootings? Nope. You routinely shred the Constitution to go after minorities then tape it back up and cover yourself with it when your rights are questioned.

Things like the wall are just a way for people like you and Trump to constantly link foreigners/minorities into some kind of threat that needs to be quarantined. Crime, disease, murder, terrorism, financial loss, etc. Over and over and over again. There's a reason why your president lies about the extent of the problem, and it's to get people like you afraid so it will produce a reliable Republican voter.

The fact is that if Trump had a real case he wouldn't have to lie so much, and he wouldn't have to depend on people such as you agreeing to any stupid proposal as long as it goes after non-whites.

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Have you ever said that you support suspending rights for white male gun owners because of their history of mass shootings? Nope. You routinely shred the Constitution to go after minorities then tape it back up and cover yourself with it when your rights are questioned.

This is excellently put.

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He is clearly a broken man. His world has fallen apart all around him.

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Trump looked extremely presidential and used the Democrats playbook against them, using emotional appeals to make his case.

Sadly, his nonsense and lies are still nonsense and lies, and there is still no reason, either social or economic, to build a wall.

To put it simply, right wingers: facts don't care about your feelings.

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Trump talked about Americans. Chuck and Nancy talked about Trump.

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yes, I think we should deny anyone any rights that are illegal, theoretically you don’t have any rights otherwise you’d be legal.

You think the murder, enslavement and beating of undocumented immigrants shouldn't be a crime? No wonder you support concentration camps at the US border.

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Even by comparison to radical jihadist, it doesn’t even scratch the surface.

This is true: far more Americans are killed every year by white Christian fundamentalist gun owners than by Islamic terrorists.

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radicalists that behead people

Yes, and Hannity says they are trying to jump the border to behead Americans. MS13 doesn't do that.

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This is true: far more Americans are killed every year by white Christian fundamentalist gun owners than by Islamic terrorists.

Oh, I don’t think so....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

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I’m going to speak up as well, when all the stats show that mass immigration on this level doesn’t work, Carlson is absolutely right, we don’t have to hurry, do you need time for these people to assimilate and they are not doing that at this pace.

You finally admit that you're even opposed to legal immigration. Shameful.

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Bass, that wiki article says that the US suffered 80 deaths to Islamic terrorism in the last then years. That’s 8 deaths per year on average.

In the last year alone, 39,773 people in the US were killed by guns. Even if I were to be extremely generous and say that only 1% of those guns deaths were committed by white Christian fundamentalists, that’s still nearly 400 gun deaths by white fundamentalist Christians, which is fifty times more than for Islamic terrorism.

Math doesn’t care about your feelings.

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Oh, I don’t think so....

YES

Proof: BTK Killer

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Great speech on border security last night. Trump stated clearly all of the negative consequences of the current border situation. Uncontrollable and illegal entry over the southern US border, human trafficking, drugs pouring in leading to the deaths of more Americans per year than during Vietnam War, massive crime attributable to illegal migrants including murders, drugs, human trafficking, and other violent offenses. He mentioned several recent cases to bolster his argument and the tragic consequences resulting from the border crisis.

Chuck and Nancy did their usual ignorant and self serving open borders rope-a-dope.

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@nishikat: Yes, and Hannity says they are trying to jump the border to behead Americans. MS13 doesn't do that.

So MS13 does not commit any brutal crimes and even beheadings in the US? Are you trying to say they only behead other illegal migrants or legal residents so that’s okay?

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So MS13 does not commit any brutal crimes

Compared to ISIS? Look at 9/11. MS13 does not fly airplanes through buildings, but ISIS would. Hannity warned Trump about ISIS coming through Mexico. As long as you have no business with ISIS they don't care about you.

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As long as you have no business with ISIS they don't care about you.

I meant this with MI13. ISIS is more dangerous then any Mexican gang like MI13. But I have nothing to do with them so they are not dangerous to me. ISIS is dangerous to everybody. If you don't believe me just listen to Hannity.

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@Yubaru

Just like so many other things in the US, no one, neither democrats nor republicans are willing to admit their mistakes. And neither is willing to correct the roots of the problem.

Well said.

This year is going to be interesting to see how it unfolds with the Dem's in charge in the house!

Unfortunately, it's going to be more of this. Them blocking everything, Trump returning the favor and all of them blaming each other for problems everyone helped create. Kinda like the comments section here.

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You don’t have fundamental Christian radical terrorist going all over the world and trying to cause death and destruction in the name of religion,

No, but you have terrorist Christian groups in the USA from the KKK to abortion clinic bombers. Admittedly none have gone as far as flying planes into buildings.

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Trump has lost. He doesn’t have support for his shutdown. The vast majority blame him for it. People are waking up to his hostage taking. A few Republicans have broken ranks. He doesn’t have the credibility to speech his way out of this.

He should stop now. Don’t escalate this and hurt more innocent people. You made a miscalculation and lost. It happens in politics.

Don’t do anything stupid. And stay off of Twitter.

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Every 12 minutes a human being is killed in US by guns ignored by Trump and his hypocritical gang.

And every 12 minutes hundreds of millions of human beings are not killed by tens of millions of law abiding gun owners.

And how many of those that are killed "every 12 minutes" are from firearms related suicide, gang issues, and encounters with law-enforcement?

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And stay off of Twitter.

80% of his problems wouldn't exist if he did.

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