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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.Trump launches re-election campaign, presenting himself as outsider and victim
By Steve Holland ORLANDO, Fla©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
106 Comments
JustMyThoughts
I'll never for when then candidate Trump and Senator Marco Rubio talked about the size of Trumps hands, as a reference to his penis at a Republican Party nominations debate. For me, this way the day the music died...
rainyday
Pathetic.
bass4funk
Well, looks like the Democrats will have their work cut out for them. Over 25,000 recorded people in attendance, setting up screens outside thousands more. The Democrats are just not taking this seriously and at their own political peril.
JustMyThoughts
Make no mistake, the term 'illegal immigration' is being used to bait members of his base that have a tendency to have some racial anxiety. When I was a kid, the language was a bit more direct and derogatory. Now, it's much more coded.
stormcrow
"Don't play the victim to circumstances you created."
rainyday
So in other words the president of the United States is unable to draw crowds larger than the 3rd place Seattle Mariners did to an average game last season?
I'm sure the Democratic party is quaking in its boots at that.
CrazyJoe
he told Ivana and Marla
Why does he need to announce that he's running for re-election? He's been campaigning since the day after the inauguration. It would be a lot more worthy of an announcement if he decided to let America off the hook and not run again.
Jimizo
Who isn’t taking it seriously and what did they say?
ulysses
Its essentially a team of one, supported by his daughter and son-in-law.
All the others play musical chairs.
He could have said, 'As long as you keep this liar in place, supported by his dumb daughter and clueless son-in-law , we'll keep running the country to the ground'.
lostrune2
With prosperous economy and low unemployment rate, for any other sitting President, this would be a slam dunk. But Trump's biggest problem is about 6 of 10 Americans don't like him - even Trump's internal pollsters that were leaked showed that
"Trump Fires Pollsters After Leaked Internal Polls Show Him Losing To Biden In Key States"
https://upolitics.com/news/trump-fires-pollsters-after-leaked-internal-polls-show-him-losing-to-biden-in-key-states/
So, the big question is: can voters set that dislike aside vs. they don't like him enough regardless of the economy
The fact that the President’s approval rating has held steady (which is to say, has held steadily low at around 40%) — no matter when improving economic conditions — suggests that the economy is not swaying people's minds
So Trump's expected strategy is to get voters to also dislike his opponent as much as they dislike him - because if they're both disliked by the voters, then that's when he can use the economy as the tie-breaker
Of note for the opposition Party nomination contenders though like Biden, the early front-runners for the Party nomination - it's not uncommon that the early front-runners don't get the Party nomination at the end (just the way history works)
PTownsend
Which part of the Washington establishment?
Certainly not the part of the establishment that includes DC swamp lifers like Ron Barr, Bolton, Pompeo etal. They're each key members of his administration.
How about Elaine Chao, recycled bureaucrat from the Bush 43 admin, wife of corrupt Sen. Mitch McConnell, scion to an international shipping family.
Certainly not the military industrial complex part of the US establishment. Trump's appointed people from Boeing and Raytheon, two of the world’s three largest defense contractors to lead the Department of Defense.
Certainly not the big energy part of the US establishment. Look at Ryan Zinke, Scott Pruit and others Trump’s appointed to the Department of the Interior and Environmental Protection Agency and how they’re doing Trump and the ‘establishment’s’ bidding in tearing down environmental protection to make things better for ‘established’ corporations.
Certainly not Wall Street. Mnuchin (Goldman Sachs) etal.
Certainly not the military. Look at the retired generals.
Certainly not the Republican nabobs in the Senate. Look at Trump’s backing from Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham etal.
The ‘establishment’ is used as a pejorative by those unable to explain what they mean. (Like ‘deep state’, ‘globalist’ and others.)
Only those unwilling to look deeper than Trump’s speeches and headlines would accept he’s not part of the establishment. He's helped wealthy Americans more than any president in modern history.
Trump is an outsider in many ways that should worry Americans. His outside connections to Moscow and Israel especially.
cleo
Well if America is really the kind of place people like bass tell us it is, that might not be such a bad idea.
Gang-related no-go zones, medical bankruptcy, mass shootings, rampant prescription-opioid addiction, white supremacist violence..... Knock it down and start again might be the only way.
like Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort. Michael Cohen, Rick Gates, George Papadopoulos, and other shady characters Trump placed among his 'best people'?
That don' worry Trump supporters none. Dey ain't got no soul in da foist place.
yamada1043
The farcical drama queen occupant of the White House is pitiful. He was elected once ... shame on him. If he’s re-elected, shame on We the People of the United States of America.
Serrano
Biden/Buttigieg 2020
Can't possibly lose against Trump/Pence, right?
bass4funk
No wrong in taking a victory lap.
Doesn't sound all that much different from Europe, replace guns with knives, a slowly bankrupting medical entitlement system slowing down, the far right gaining more and more power...
Funny, as if Trump had a crystal ball and could peer I to their lives. I mean, look at Biden with all the stuff we know, wonder why Obama, his buddy is not giving him a full endorsement?
Dango bong
if the Dems stifle Bernie again and prop up another corporate Democrat like Biden, good luck to them....
Bintaro
So what was the difference with any other Trump rally ?
cleo
*There were 17,284 homicides in the US in 2017, giving a rate of 5.3 per 100,000. In Britain, there were 785 in financial year 2017/18 — the nearest equivalent time period — giving a rate of 1.8 per 100,000, some three times lower.*
Within this, there were 285 knife murders in England and Wales in 2017/18 — the highest number since the Second World War — and 34 in Scotland, giving a combined British rate of 0.48 per 100,000. In the US, the number for 2017 was 1,591, giving an almost identical rate of 0.49.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/18/deadly-knife-crime-how-does-london-compare-to-new-york
So, knife crime is about the same in Britain and the US, plus the US has all that gun-related stuff in addition.
Looks like things would be a lot better if the US were actually not that much different from Europe. Pity it's nearly three times worse.
It's called screening. Doesn't work when the screen is full of holes, of course.
All what stuff we know? That he has in the past touched ladies on their shoulders, smelled their hair and even kissed them in less PC days - and apologised for it when it was pointed out to him that it was inappropriate? Compared with the Great Orange Serial-Cheater Pussy-Grabber? No contest.
I note and appreciate the fact that you have no comeback to the charge of soul-deficiency.
commanteer
I have to buy some tin foil today. What brand do you recommend?
ReturningGrace
He is an outsider and a victim of the relentless targeting. I just found out today that something he did benefit me. Maybe I will actually get off my lazy ass and vote for him. Maybe.
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
US voters will have the power to savage their nation but I doubt that they will because Trump is a symptom of US society, a mirror of US society. Not until the nations of the world regain their sovereignty and stand up to the US will anything change. We are looking at more wars and more suffering as the US tries to maintain global dictatorship.
bass4funk
Don't forget to factor in the size of the US, the 2nd amendment and and the influx of MS-13 to our nation. The 2nd amendment helps with keeping us safe.
Hmmmm.....I don’t believe that. I was there this January and naw, I prefer the States, feel much better, definitely safer.
Smart phones, IPads, love Steve Jobs....well, Tim Cook now.
Creepy.
Let’s not forget, you might not know this as a Brit, but following American politics since forever, I remember Biden being the ultimate gaffe machine, now Biden has had a cake wall this entire time, but if any of the other socialists want to gain in the poles, they will have to tear Biden apart, essentially helping Trump in the process. So whether it’s the Hyde Amendment, Abortion, comments he said bout Blacks, race and Anita Hill (who could ever forget that spectacle) his chickens are coming faster home to roost than buying a 12 piece bucket of KFC.
I just did and then some.
PTownsend
If people seriously don't think Trump has connections to either Moscow or Israel, I doubt tin foil will do them any good.
arrestpaul
People hear what they want to hear.
p.s. Rubio lost, Trump won.
bass4funk
We wouldn’t have a Trump if we didn’t have an Obama or a Hillary.
But that won’t happen, Obama to one of his limited credits tried to isolate the US, didn’t take long for Europe to bang on our doors, now that Trump wants to do it, he’s the devil? Honestly, I’m so confused. You hate us, but you need us.
What? Huh?
Deadforgood
Victim. Lol.
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
bass4funk: "but following American politics since forever"? You mean American propaganda!
You are a perfect example of what I said: Trump is a mirror of US society, a symptom. And this is why both the US and the globe has a bleak future.
arrestpaul
The Democrats have a lot of obstacles to overcome. Their far-leftist candidates, the illegal alien border crossing crisis, and the results of the investigation of the investigators which will be determined, announced, and charges laid, before Nov 2020. The Democrats are in a race with the clock. Can they stop the voters from finding out just how low they had sunk in their efforts to undermine, and to overthrow, a Republican presidential candidate and President? Tick tock.
Cricky
I'm sorry but aren't these people ment to improve our lives?
it does seem they now improve their own lives and tell us to suck it up.
Sneezy
I can assure you this isn't the case.
Cricky
Sorry I should have added that I'm waving a pièce of cloth with ink on it. Everyday.
WA4TKG
Is it me, or does even the TITLE of this supposed article start off BIASED.
Isn't News supposed to be simple reporting of FACTS and NOT a place to impose a "View".
SuperLib
He should just run on the same platform. New NAFTA agreement, new healthcare plan, new Middle East plan, new plan for the environment, a wall, a denuclearize North Korea, new trade agreements, etc. Ya know, everything he promised and didn't deliver on.
But say something like, "But it's really gonna happen this time."
cleo
Size isn't a factor when you're talking in per 100,000s. I take it you didn't do very well in maths at school?
Yes, that is a problem that isn't going to go away unless the whole structure is torn down and built up again. Glad to see you recognise that.
Influx?? MS-13 was born in the US, to protect one set of gangs from another set of gangs in the US. (Gangs formed from Salvadoran refugees from the San Salvador civil war, whose requests for asylum status in the US were neglected so that the refugees were left undocumented and vulnerable to exploitation, racial prejudice and persecution). It's the US that deported MS-13 to other parts of the Americas.
In 2018, the gang accounted for less than 1 percent (10,000) of total gang members in the United States (1.4 million), and a similar share of gang murders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13
So how to you explain the other 99% of gang murders in the US?
What?? Do you need to lie down for a while?
And now he's been totally blown out of the gaffe water by the Trumpo Dumbo.
serendipitous1
Trump is a victim.......of his own idiocy!
bass4funk
I stopped reading European history books a very long time ago.
God, I hope so. Keep hope alive.
Our economy is great, I really don’t know what you are talking about.
bass4funk
Quite the opposite.
Again, the 2nd amendment is not going anywhere. Hunting season is upon us, can’t wait!
I know that, but as we or at least in the US we know that thousands of El Salvadorian have been flocking to the US and bringing MS-13 with them, I just glad now Trump and ICE have the green light to send thousands back. Great day!
Ask the Democrats, I wonder deeply about that myself and never can get a straight answer for some reason.
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I think that would be liberals especially what is now coming at them. ROFL!
Yup, but at least Biden will never become President, so that’s one less headache to worry about. Lol
arrestpaul
Lol. Democrats attack Trump, and then look for a shoulder to cry on when Trump counter-punches. How dare Trump treat Democrats, and Hillary worshippers, the same way Democrats, and Hillary worshippers, treat Trump.
zurcronium
Running as an outside as the sitting President? Of course that is insane. But no matter as the Trump voters would not understand logic if it were spelled out on a red hat that they had on their heads. BTW no surprise the MAGA hat is red, probably Putin suggested that. Made in China too.
An empty chair would beat Trump as the Orlando endorsement clearly indicates. For normal people the WWE charade is over. Trump is a criminal and a liar and a lout. That is as clear as his fake comb over.
Cricky
The support for left or right, that's a circus. It's what is Brest for people, or is that too much to ask? These people get paid by us to bow to groups that have am agenda that doesn't improve anyone's life but some Atherial company.
Wakarimasen
Slightly bizarre "speech" but seems to work for the faithful. His attacks on the "fake news" mob were a bit disconcerting. and some of his "facts" were not entirely correct. Unless the Dems can find a real showperson, he could well get a 2nd term......
Deadforgood
For who? The upper class?
Its gonna be real funny watching Trump throw out the worst health care proposal in history next year while the GOP gasp in horror.
Chip Star
Conservatives sure are masters at playing the victim card.
I sure hope Donny loses next year; however, as I said before, never underestimate the power of stupidity.
Deadforgood
Maybe twitter will ban his account too then. Certainly would be nice not hearing from him ever again after he's thrown out. Oh...wait, they won't need to. You can't tweet from a prison cell.
bass4funk
Liberals don’t understand logic because if they did, they would know peddling socialism, raising taxes and impeaching Trump is a death sentence for the Democrats.
Dear lord....lol...
Is that it? If verbal insults are the only thing that Democrats have, his re-election will be like flying Thai airlines, “smooth as silk.”
WilliB
Is that it? If verbal insults are the only thing that Democrats have, his re-election will be like flying Thai airlines, “smooth as silk.”
Well, the "dems" candidates approved by their politbureau seem to share a 2-point platform:
1) free stuff
2) orange man bad
Not exactly a genius level program, but then again they have the entire media propadanda machine on their side, and the social media companies are in full swing removing any contrarian content. So, never underestimate how many fools are out there.
That said, I saw one "dem" candidate who actually has a sensible platform. But she is solidly shut out by the neolib establishment.
commanteer
She is an experienced war veteran who makes sense and is anti-war and anti-imperialism. They can't have that - war is their bread and butter.
WilliB
commanteer:
Yep, exactly. She got the same treatment that Trump got from the establishment in his party.
It is weird to see that lots of mainstream media consumer still pretend that there is a difference between neocons and neolibs.
smithinjapan
I absolutely LOVE how Trump literally jumped out of the car when asked if he had actually read the report during the interview the other day. What a coward! hahaha. Definitely a victim of his own stupidity, yeah.
kohakuebisu
You do not "shake up Washington" by appointing John Bolton. That's jumping into the swamp, not draining it.
Blacklabel
Article picks the lowest possible poll number out of all the rcp averages then still gets it wrong anyway.
he drew 25,000 plus people outside while most Dems get 200 on a good day.
Serrano
"took credit for a string economy"
Nah, it's still Obama's economy. It's just the national debt that's Trump's, lol.
Victim. Lol.
When you have 95% of the media saying only negative stuff about you, yeah, you could say you're a victim.
I absolutely LOVE how Trump literally jumped out of the car when asked if he had actually read the report during the interview the other day. What a coward! hahaha.
I absolutely love how Trump ignores stupid questions.
iradickle
I just don't really understand how anyone person with at least a fraction of common sense could be a Trump supporter. There's really no need to list all the things wrong with HIM. If you can watch any interview he has done and feel proud, I just...wow.
As far as parties go, America is leaning to one side or the other waaaay to much. There are republicans and democrats who actually care about America. But it's more "interesting" to just negate the other side's proposals because they're on the blue or red team. And this donkey has been feuling that dumpster fire for way too long.
Blacklabel
Joe Biden has been on the government payroll for 20% of the entire history of the United States.
NOW he has some ideas of what to do? NOW he can cure cancer?
Trump sailing towards reelection unless Hillary called in from the bullpen.
Simon Foston
In New York or California that would be scarily impressive. In Florida? No more than you'd expect.
iradickle
serrano,
You know the question was basically "Did you read the report that you are making false statements about?"
browny1
WilliB said in reference to the Dems side -
"...but then again they have the entire media propadanda machine on their side, ..."
That's less than credible. Where did you get that info from?
Fox Noise makes the spinners dizzy - for starters.
Then begin to look at the Con printed media and then begin to look at the Con digital media....!
Blacklabel
Biden got 600 in Pennsylvania for his kick off. That's scarily not impressive. Bernie even got 4500.
Serrano
I just don't really understand how anyone person with at least a fraction of common sense could be a Trump supporter.
I just really don't understand how anyone with at least a fraction of common sense could not be a Trump supporter given the alternatives.
Trump sailing towards reelection unless Hillary called in from the bullpen.
Har!
In New York or California that would be scarily impressive. In Florida? No more than you'd expect.
More than Biden or any of the Dems are gonna get at their next rally.
Biden/Buttigieg 2020 They can't lose!
Deadforgood
It is funny how people think 25,000 at a trump rally in a red state is impressive. Remember his inaugural speech crowd? It was laughable. BUT, since they believe everything Trump says, it must have been the biggest, most crowdiest, largest crowd at an inaugural speech ever in history.
Deadforgood
You seem really concerned about the election. And even more concerned about how many people attend democratic rallies. You should learn to relax a bit. Your head isn't going to explode when Trump loses next year.
Deadforgood
You also know how much these things cost? Trump still owes El Paso 500,000 dollars from a rally he did in February. Probably won't pay it either, so the city is stuck with the bill (hey, what were they expecting? Trump has a history of not paying for services requested).
Blacklabel
That is the full capacity of the arena. Was more than the last guy or anybody else running, btw
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-attendance-appears-to-top-obamas-re-election-kickoff-rally
Serrano
You should learn to relax a bit. Your head isn't going to explode when Trump loses next year.
It's not? Tee hee!
Deadforgood
I still don't understand what you are in awe of. Liberals have never really been the type to attend religious cult hearings.
Deadforgood
Ok, I guess it will. Go on then, continue keeping track of how many people attend Trumps rallies.
wtfjapan
the far right gaining more and more power...
more fake news, far right groups hardly made a ripplle in the last EU elections in May and are still a distant minority in the EU . what was noteworthy was the larger number of people that turned out to vote and more younger voters. EU is still prodominately center
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/27/european-elections-far-right-surge-ends-in-a-ripple
bass4funk
Huh? Democrats again? Oh, boy!
And that’s very important in our US elections, especially for a Republican, Florida is absolutely crucial to winning the Presidency, so it seems he has that locked up with room t spare or as we say back at home.....gravy.
bass4funk
Not a single Democrat got that many, not one, each time, yes, it’s very impressive, even the staunchest Democrats are worried about that.
The inaugural crowd didn’t represent the people that voted for him. The country is bigger than that.
I think it’s funny too, I hope the Democrats go as hard left as possible, make it easier for Trump, please!
No, but we know the media is in a very losing battle with this one. Lol
Deadforgood
You do realize, that even Trumps own polls show him losing to dems in Florida, right? hehe
Deadforgood
The state of Florida isn't represented by his rally crowd. Lol, beaten by your own logic. Tee hee
bass4funk
Sorry, but that dig is falling on deaf ears. If Democrats want to go after him with that. trump has a litany of ammunition of money waste he can excoriate the Democrats with. Lol
Deadforgood
For example?
bass4funk
Yeah, all the polls showed him losing last time, even the FOX poll and guess what happened? Lol
Then Trump wouldn’t nearly come even remotely close to having packed rallies with even more people outside sitting in the sun. Here we go again, like last time, the Dems spelled doom and gloom and they got it all wrong, now they want to double their pleasure again.
Entitlements, so take your pick....
Its like going to Baskin Robbins
Deadforgood
Ok then, you have nothing to worry about. Now why are you so why do the rally numbers matter to you then?
Chip Star
Someone has no idea how economic cycles are slow but spending money is fast. HAR!
bass4funk
Exactly!
Because he’s popular in that State and they don’t matter to me, the problem is they didn’t anticipate THAT many people and it was a little bit of a problem accommodating them.
Chip Star
Socialist welfare to farmers because of Donny's inane approach to trade. Tee Hee.
Deadforgood
Ah, its great that you think cities should be forced to pay for Trump's pleasure because you disagree with the budgets that were democratically voted on in other cities.
But you're right when it comes to Trump, like a child at baskin robbins. Folded arms and pouty face till mom lets him have two scoops.
Deadforgood
I'm pretty sure they did. Otherwise they wouldn't have spent the money on a venue to fit 25,000 people.
Deadforgood
To have a half empty venue so Trump could talk to bleachers.
Chip Star
If you weren't worried, you wouldn't be hear screeching at the top of your likings about rally attendance numbers. So transparent. So hilarious you expect the rest of us to engage in your self-delusion.
Deadforgood
You forgot also, he's the biggest victim in American History. More than the slaves, more than the native americans, more than the central park 5. I mean, he's had an absolutely horrible 2 years.
Chip Star
Bass: The government planning to and then giving people money (entitlements) is far different than Donny going to a city, running up a huge bill, and skipping town (theft). It stretches the bounds of reasonableness for you to expect us to take you seriously when you make these kinds of comments.
plasticmonkey
Do those include payouts to farmers who are hurt by Trump’s trade wars? Oversized tax cuts to the uber wealthy? Use of Air Force One for Trump to play golf at his own resorts, at taxpayer expense?
plasticmonkey
No it’s not. Your ice cream shop has one flavor.
bass4funk
I was referring more to the medical social everyday cradle to grave, not the temporary ones....darn.
Most people I know didn’t want to pay for Obamacare, but alas....
And the child wins in the end. Lol
bass4funk
Uh-huh, so let’s see any Democrat top that.
Yeah, that would never happen, now Biden...
Not worried don’t need to be, I have a TV and I saw the stadium overflow, I was just enjoying myself.
Chip Star
So temporary handouts are okay? Selective socialism.
False equivalency. The government planning to and then giving people money (entitlements) is far different than Donny going to a city, running up a huge bill, and skipping town (theft). It stretches the bounds of reasonableness for you to expect us to take you seriously when you make these kinds of comments.
Chip Star
Irrelevant.
Irrelevant.
Your attempts to twist conversations to the point they aren't recognizable in the span of one reply is absurd.
Blacklabel
Yep the same polls that said Dems would be Florida governor and senator last time. Oops. Isn’t that guy being subpoenaed for grand jury testimony related to fraud?
bass4funk
Until the President can get the trade dispute in order, sadly yes for these farmers, but in normal circumstances it shouldn’t be the norm.
Its not compared to the cradle to grave Democrats want to bestow on the entire nation which is financially illogical and unrealistic.
I don’t it’s just liberals keep getting twisted in their own political world, I aim to burst that bubble of trance.
u_s__reamer
Trump had better change his MAGA slogan 'cos the official announcement of a 2020 Trump Redouche is gonna mean "Make Americans Gag Again"! The long-suffering majority may still be spared 4 more years of Trumpamerika if life is what happens when Trump is making other plans.
plasticmonkey
More irrelevant and meaningless babble. The house of Trump is built on this.
bass4funk
Nice somewhat comeback, but it won’t help the Dems win re-election. ROFL!
Maybe the Dems do, they have the flavor of the month socialism, mine have 31.
Jimizo
Socialists are often attacked for spending beyond their means and running up debt.
What’s Trump’s excuse?
Serrano
You do realize, that even Trumps own polls show him losing to dems in Florida, right? hehe
Oh my... ( and this is from CNN! )
About that Florida poll that shows Biden crushing Trump ...
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/18/politics/joe-biden-donald-trump-2020-quinnipiac-poll-florida/index.html
It's going to be hilarious seeing the reactions here when Trump wins re-election.
Simon Foston
plasticmonkeyToday 05:56 pm JST
And it all makes the case for liberalism, socialism, or just about any other political viewpoint, all the more compelling. If I had any strong conservative inclinations I would be embarrassed to have any association with it.