Trump must pay an additional $83.3 million to E Jean Carroll in defamation case, jury says

and that death threats she received cannot be blamed on Trump’s remarks.

Yeah, sure. People get death threats all the time.

“The record will reflect that Mr. Trump just rose and walked out of the courtroom.”

Infantile, self-important schmuck. Playing to his base.

“if you violate my instructions again, Ms. Habba, you may have consequences.”

Habba is one dumb lawyer.

Well that petulant behavior by Trump just cost him $83 million. Considering E Jean Carrole was just looking for $10 million, thats a hefty bad behavior "bonus".

“They aren't after me. They're after you, I'm just in the way!”

Sexually assaulting women to save you. What a gent.

The Stable Genius really stepped in it again.

“They aren't after me. They're after you, I'm just in the way!”

Bingo!

Sexually assaulting women to save you. What a gent.

If that indeed happened.

Yeah, sure. People get death threats all the time. 

Yes, they do.

Infantile, self-important schmuck. Playing to his base. 

No, he’s just not backing down and good on him. Never retreat, never surrender.

Habba is one dumb lawyer.

For defending Trump? I think she’s smart, she’s quick like a whip and she’s not having affairs on taxpayer times and she didn’t campaign on destroying Biden or slept her way to the top. So I give credit where credit is due.

If that indeed happened.

That is indeed what happened. It was never on dispute this case.

At any rate the jury has made their decision. Donald owes her $65 million. So much winning.

Correction, the jury actually her $83 million.

That is indeed what happened.

Prove it. Where’s the DNA? Lol

At any rate the jury has made their decision. Donald owes her $65 million. So much winning.

Thank God that’s chump change for the guy. Phew?

“They aren't after me. They're after you, I'm just in the way!”

The only protection Trump offers the people is that afforded by his fraudulently appraised body mass.

I know it is being pushed to his base, but who actually falls for "Trump, Defender of the People".

If ever there was a claim that lacked a shred of evidence.

If anyone in American politics deserved that title it would be Bernie Sanders.

Prove it. Where’s the DNA? Lol

It's been proven in court.

Thank God that’s chump change for the guy. Phew?

Yes, thank God the settlement he'll have to pay to the victim of his sexual assault is "chump change."

The only protection Trump offers the people is that afforded by his fraudulently appraised body mass. 

Bigger is better.

I know it is being pushed to his base, but who actually falls for "Trump, Defender of the People". 

Judging by the polls and his past administration, a lot, a lot!

If ever there was a claim that lacked a shred of evidence. 

How would you know?

If anyone in American politics deserved that title it would be Bernie Sanders.

No one is interested in nominating the socialist to anything.

A self-absorbed billionaire held to account for the pain he caused someone else . . This human race isn’t perfect, and yet we definitely get some things right

It's been proven in court. 

No, not by DNA

Yes, thank God the settlement he'll have to pay to the victim of his sexual assault is "chump change."

And make more money. Lol

Cards fanToday  07:45 am JST

"Prove it. Where’s the DNA? Lol"

It's been proven in court.

I don't think so actually, or it could have been a criminal trial, but the jury believed Carroll, not Trump. His word against hers and honestly, forgetting about the politics for a moment, who would you believe?

Sexually assaulting women to save you. What a gent.

If that indeed happened.

A jury unanimously decided it did. Now he’s paying out for denying it. Keep up.

Free airtime. Every time you put this on the news he doesn't have to pay, because all of is America are waking up to Biden Inflation coffee, bacon and hashbrowns/grits with an out of control border and even the sugar costs more. People got 10% better off with his economy - Biden has them 14% slugged or worse going down the scale. Good economy though they say.

It's been proven in court. 

No, not by DNA

Would you dismiss every trial finding from pre 1986 when dna testing was first used as evidence?

That wouldn’t be very smart.

If ever there was a claim that lacked a shred of evidence. 

How would you know?

Non sequitur.

A claim was made by trump, it is up to him or his defenders to offer evidence.

https://www.comm.pitt.edu/argument-claims-reasons-evidence

I don't think so actually, or it could have been a criminal trial, but the jury believed Carroll, not Trump. His word against hers and honestly, forgetting about the politics for a moment, who would you believe?

There you go, so it’s not that they know for a fact and beyond a shadow of a doubt, it’s based solely on, who do you believe and in NYC they choose to believe……anyway, it’s NYC, so not even surprised. Lol

JJEToday  07:58 am JST

People got 10% better off with his economy

It's not so clear how Trump himself could take much credit for that.

No, not by DNA

They don't need DNA.

And make more money. Lol

More like begging his genius supporters for money to pay his legal fees.

They don't need DNA. 

If you want to concretely and criminally prove that an actual rape occurred, you absolutely need it.

More like begging his genius supporters for money to pay his legal fees.

People can help, but when you have businesses and investments, property and land, helps

Bob FosseToday  08:01 am JST

Would you dismiss every trial finding from pre 1986 when dna testing was first used as evidence?

That wouldn’t be very smart.

I don't think anyone would dismiss this finding if it had happened before Trump became a Republican and ran for president, back when he was still pals with Bill and Hilary Clinton. In fact I imagine quite a few Republican supporters would happily assume his guilt if he'd ran as a Democrat, DNA or no DNA.

There’s going to be an all caps ketchup flinging meltdown on truth social. Time for more nft designs. $83 million will need a lot of change from chumps.

If you want to concretely and criminally prove that an actual rape occurred, you absolutely need it.

This is a civil case, not a criminal case. E Jean Carroll was able to meet the legal threshold Trump sexually assaulted her.

People can help, but when you have businesses and investments, property and land, helps

He's not going to have those much longer either.

I don't think anyone would dismiss this finding if it had happened before Trump became a Republican and ran for president, back when he was still pals with Bill and Hilary Clinton. In fact I imagine quite a few Republican supporters would happily assume his guilt if he'd ran as a Democrat, DNA or no DNA.

I disagree unlike the Dems, they would definitely want to see irrefutable proof before throwing baseless accusations. Not sure if you know, but we went through this in 1999 and with that President we did have DNA evidence to seal the deal.

This is a civil case, not a criminal case. E Jean Carroll was able to meet the legal threshold Trump sexually assaulted her.

Then he is criminally not a rapist under any circumstances given the fact that there is no physical evidence.

He's not going to have those much longer either.

He probably will, as an investor myself, I’m sure he’s had years and years of diversifying and moving his money around. I do, I’m sure he does, has more money than me, he definitely can and probably did years ago. So he’s good.

There’s going to be an all caps ketchup flinging meltdown on truth social. Time for more nft designs. $83 million will need a lot of change from chumps.

Word.

The drama queening is getting unhinged. Might have to go MAGA hat in hand to MBS or Putin.

But it is a performance for those that believe "reality television" is real and Trump is a martyr and that makes it dangerous.

Thank God that’s chump change for the guy. Phew?

It actually isn't. He's mortgaged up to the hilt, and a lot of the loans he does have cannot be renewed at the same levels since it has been shown that he overvalued properties.

His NY fraud case will cost him $250m.

Now Forbes estimates his net worth at $2.6bn, yet its valuations are over-stated, such as valuing Mar-a-Lago at $323m, when its true value can't be much over $30m.

His valuation of loss making European golf courses at $100m is likewise pretty absurd.

All the same, he's still a billionaire, just a heavily indebted one without the free cash to pay over $300m in fines.

Just woke up to the news. I just pmsl $83 MILLION times.

It actually isn't. He's mortgaged up to the hilt, and a lot of the loans he does have cannot be renewed at the same levels since it has been shown that he overvalued properties. 

He has enough properties worldwide.

His NY fraud case will cost him $250m. 

That will be paid.

Now Forbes estimates his net worth at $2.6bn,

Estimate-surmise

yet its valuations are over-stated, such as valuing Mar-a-Lago at $323m, when its true value can't be much over $30m. 

Again, you surmise according to the assumed property value.

His valuation of loss making European golf courses at $100m is likewise pretty absurd. 

If you think so

All the same, he's still a billionaire, just a heavily indebted one without the free cash to pay over $300m in fines.

What you assume. Ok.

There you go, so it’s not that they know for a fact and beyond a shadow of a doubt, it’s based solely on, who do you believe and in NYC they choose to believe……anyway, it’s NYC, so not even surprised. Lol

The original jury say through a trial and listened to the evidence and made a decision based on it, unlike you or me or any of us on this channel.

You simply reject their decision because of your unquestionable loyalty to Trump, rather than the evidence. And remember even in NY, a jury is unlikely to unanimously be Democrat voters. And even if they were, they are unlikely to all put politics before the evidence. Republicans don't either. Only MAGA do.

A democrat judge "awarded" 80 million bucks. No witnesses, not even a date or a year. No facts. Go NY.

America take note - this could happen to you.

. . . A question for our MAGA friends in the room:

does this count as “fake news?”

Just curious where we draw the line in the sand . . . I’m still learning as I go.

The original jury say through a trial and listened to the evidence and made a decision based on it,

Listened, but never saw any DNA physical evidence. 

You simply reject their decision because of your unquestionable loyalty to Trump, rather than the evidence.

No, like with the former President in 1999 we had clear physical evidence to back up the allegations that a sexual encounter did happen. He couldn’t refute the facts

And remember even in NY, a jury is unlikely to unanimously be Democrat voters.

No, I lived in NYC, most lean Democrat. Again, not surprised.

America take note - this could happen to you.

It does and it has for millions if you could see beyond your worship of the orange blob.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/georgia-leonard-cure-killed-police

This is a real tragedy and abortion of US justice.

MAGA is narcissistic, solipsistic religious mania fueled myopia.

A democrat judge "awarded" 80 million bucks.

Nope, that would be the jury.

No witnesses, not even a date or a year. No facts.

There were witnesses called. There were numerous witnesses.

Listened, but never saw any DNA physical evidence. 

We don't need DNA evidence to prove Trump defamed her.

JJEToday  08:32 am JST

A democrat judge "awarded" 80 million bucks. No witnesses, not even a date or a year. No facts. Go NY.

The jury decided Trump defamed Carroll and the amount he should pay, not the judge.

Again, you surmise according to the assumed property value.

I do. But so does Forbes.

I value it as a commercial property, because that it is what it is.

It has revenue of over $20m and makes a profit of about $2 to 3m a year. That justifies a $30m valuation, perhaps even a $50m, depending on market appetite. It doesn't get anywhere near $300m. That's not how business valuations work.

And yes, this is my opinion, and it's a professional opinion too.

What date did happen?

or what year did this allegedly occur? (It was on Fifth Av).

Does anyone know?

We don't need DNA evidence to prove Trump defamed her.

Then that is not a just or far system, this was based on hearsay. Liable doesn’t equate to criminality.

or what year did this allegedly occur? (It was on Fifth Av).

Apparently you know, if you know where it happened. Great point.

It has revenue of over $20m and makes a profit of about $2 to 3m a year. That justifies a $30m valuation, perhaps even a $50m, depending on market appetite.

More or less

It doesn't get anywhere near $300m.

That's not how business valuations work.

Hmmm…

And yes, this is my opinion, and it's a professional opinion too

As you said, it is exactly that, an opinion.

Then that is not a just or far system, this was based on hearsay.

Oh it was perfectly fair. The plaintiff was able to meet the same evidentiary standard as all plaintiffs.

Liable doesn’t equate to criminality.

We know this, it's a civil case. Not a criminal case.

Oh it was perfectly fair.

Well, if you believe this……anyway

But if you believe Trump it wasn’t, so depends. You believe her, I don’t.

The plaintiff was able to meet the same evidentiary standard as all plaintiffs.

Through DNA?.

We know this, it's a civil case. Not a criminal case.

Well, it was about money being awarded to this woman, nothing more.

For defending Trump?

Obviously not. He lost.

Liable doesn’t equate to criminality.

Exactly and that is why he has to pay 83 additional big ones. He either has to pay it all now and the courts hold it while appeals are exhausted or has to bond with (using his assets) with interest. But has has to pay now no matter what.

I lived in NYC

Me too. And in many other states

as an investor myself

I invest too

$83 million is not Trump change.

American workers take note: a NY/dem judge and jury can attempt to rob you to the sum of 80 million.

You worked your life, helped people, paid taxes, served the country/community with your hand on your heart, BUT with no witnesses - or even a date - under a NY special law they can come for you and steal your nest egg.

$83 million is not Trump change.

Maybe for you and most people.

A jury awarded $83.3 million to E Jean Carroll on Friday in a stinging and expensive rebuke to former President Donald Trump for his continued social media attacks against the longtime advice columnist over her claims that he sexually assaulted her in a Manhattan department store. The award, when coupled with a $5 million sexual assault and defamation verdict last year from another jury in a case brought by Carroll, raised to $88.3 million what Trump must pay her.

Pardon me while I laugh uncontrollably for the next several minutes....there...OK now...

Add one more to the hundreds of legal cases this "stable genius" has lost - really the only thing he can call himself competent at is losing court cases...and maybe "grabbing"...

And to show just how far he is into dementia, instead of keeping his yap shut, after each loss he goes our and DOES THE SAME THING...just giving Carroll and her crack lawyers more evidence to sue him again...it's hilarious...

By the time Nov rolls around, his businesses will all be taken from him, he'll have massive judgments over his head, and he'll be sulking about all of that in a cell at Leavenworth...

And on the wall will be written "Peter Navarro was here"...

—even in NY, a jury is unlikely to unanimously be Democrat voters. 

No, I lived in NYC, most lean Democrat. Again, not surprised.

I think you don’t understand how jury selection works.

Well, if you believe this……anyway

Do you have any evidence Trump was treated unfairly? I mean any actual evidence, not just "feelings" or op-ed pieces.

Through DNA?.

That's not required to meet evidentiary standards.

Well, it was about money being awarded to this woman, nothing more.

lol Yeah, that's how civil suits work.

As you said, it is exactly that, an opinion.

Yes, an opinion, but for that type of business - one whose value is based of off of cash flow and profitability, that's how valuations are done (as opposed to growth businesses, like tech). The value isn't based on residential valuations, but on a percentage, so more like a bond or utility stock.

If you had $300m to invest, you would get a better return from US Treasuries than a 1% return from a golf club. You would want more like a 10% return. Perhaps lower of you were bullish, but standard valuation models wouldn't place this anywhere near $300m.

So I struggle to understand how Forbes accepted this valuation, even if I think the Trump Organisation's valuation of $18m is a bit low.

American workers take note: a NY/dem judge and jury can attempt to rob you to the sum of 80 million.

lol ‘American workers’

Happens a lot does it?

American workers take note: a NY/dem judge and jury can attempt to rob you to the sum of 80 million.

lol Only if you're a rich ex-president who sexually assault a woman and then repeatedly defame her.

You worked your life,

lol Trump and work?

helped people, paid taxes,

Actually, Trump committed fraud for the express purpose of not paying taxes.

served the country/community with your hand on your heart,

Trump also claimed to have bone spurs to get out of actually serving his country.

BUT with no witnesses

There were witnesses. Multiple witnesses actually.

I think you don’t understand how jury selection works.

Exactly.

7 men 2 women - that's quite a standard ratio in a case where rape is involved because of the jury selection process.

Despite the defense choosing who they thought would be most pro -Trump, it found against him.

The Orange buffoon will be fine, all his foolish supporters will chip in and he won't actually have to pay a cent.

Orange man will be penniless soon...x

It will hurt Trump emotionally for every dollar he has to pay.

No, I lived in NYC, most lean Democrat. Again, not surprised.

In 2020, 23% of votes were for DJT. On a jury of 9 at random, that should include 2 Trump voters. With the jury selection process, the defense should have been able to get this to 3 or 4.

Sorry, people don't decide cases based on their politics alone. If they do, that disqualifies them from the jury.

I think you don’t understand how jury selection works.

I did jury duty twice.

It will hurt Trump emotionally for every dollar he has to pay.

Not really, he already fired back and is talking smack again. ROFL!

Orange man will be penniless soon.

Not by a long shot.

Do you have any evidence Trump was treated unfairly? I mean any actual evidence, not just "feelings" or op-ed pieces. 

Yes, History, been following the guy since the 90’s in print, video, it’s all there.

That's not required to meet evidentiary standards.

Then he’s by definition not a criminal, it was a money siphoning operation.

lol Yeah, that's how civil suits work

But that is exactly what happened. Lol

American workers take note: a NY/dem judge and jury can attempt to rob you to the sum of 80 million.

Trump gets robbed.

The blue collar workers are next!

Trump beat them to the chase already, cheating innocent architects and contractors out of hard-earned salaries.

https://www.news-journal.com/opinion/foster-the-case-of-trump-and-the-polish-workers/article_07a1bdf0-ec85-11e9-aaf4-cf549bb509f5.html

This pathetic, flailing, counter-factual MAGA narrative is getting tired but the promoters never seem to get tired of repeating it despite all evidence to the contrary.

The sick joke is the victim in this civil case will be lucky to receive a few million.

Oh yes, I'm sure you're very concerned about the victim in this case. That's why you spent the first several posts calling this trial a sham, and erroneously claiming no evidence was presented.

Yes, something is a sick joke all right.

I have never seen anyone bullied so much in their life publicly and the authorities never done anything about. This is nothing but political bullying! The thought is if you can’t put him in jail you break him financially. Shame on the YS

Trump is mentally unstable.

Trump’s defense . . .

But, but, but . . . Eighty three point . . . huminahumina……….

The lion's share is greased of by the lawyers and the parties which funded those lawyers (under an agreement we can't see).

Do you also still believe the jury names are anonymous because they are being paid by the left?

Or is it more likely they are anonymous to protect them from loony conspiracy nuts?

Speaking of which, how did you hear about this secret ‘agreement we can’t see’?

For Trump the legal partisan 'victim' works well, plus:

1) Great tax deduction!

2) Great for fund raising!

3) Great political talking point

Most Americans don't like sitting President's chief political opponent targeted legally, two-tiers justice, weaponization of Govt DOJ & Deep pocked partisans.

Legal warfare far against Trump, first time in history by sitting President & partisans, deemed Anti-Democratic. All polling suggests ONLY helping Trump win re-election.

Trump is mentally unstable.

Hardly.

The billionaire will no doubt be after money again.

Hope his supporters are prepared to dig deep.

Again.

Trump's a very stable genius. (His words)

Hardly

Yes, mentally stable adults storm out of court rooms because they can't emotionally regulate themselves.

Trump gets robbed. 

Yup.

The blue collar workers are next!

That has been going on for years and years, look at the middle-class, why do you think they can’t run away fast enough from blue states?

Trump beat them to the chase already, cheating innocent architects and contractors out of hard-earned salaries. 

A few disgruntled out of 15,000 hmmmm

This pathetic, flailing, counter-factual MAGA narrative is getting tired but the promoters never seem to get tired of repeating it despite all evidence to the contrary.

Then he wouldn’t be shattering poll records. We can read, we don’t need to have the nutty left try desperately to see if they can convince us otherwise, they tried and failed…miserably.

Yes, mentally stable adults storm out of court rooms because they can't emotionally regulate themselves

Why? If you think that the system is two tier, of course, why not, I don’t blame him. You don’t need to keep yourself in emotional check if you know the NYC political system is out to get you.

Trump is mentally unstable.

Hardly

Well, he confused Nikki Hayley and Nancy Pelosi. It wasn't a slip of the tongue, but genuinely directing claims he'd made about Pelosi to Hayley regarding the defense of the Capitol on Jan 6.

That does show a genuine state of mental confusion. If Biden had done that, the right wing media would have feasted on it for a month. To me it demonstrated that Trump is suffering from serious mental decline. Perhaps the court cases are bringing this on, resulting in confusion and delusion. Whatever it is, he is losing it mentally.

Deliberations begin in Trump defamation trial after ex-president dramatically exits closing argument

This trial is a damn soap opera.

Why?

Because it's a something a toddler would do.

You don’t need to keep yourself in emotional check if you know the NYC political system is out to get you

Lol this is just pathetic. Imagine thinking this moron who can't control his emotions should be president.

Just shows how broken US courts systems are.

one more thing to fix when Trump gets back in office. This is probably a +3 bump in the election.

For Trump the legal partisan 'victim' works well, plus:

Indeed - he "plays" a victim so he can "play" his supporters...

1) Great tax deduction!

Which, as has already been proven in court, he will cheat on...

2) Great for fund raising!

Truth - as the old saying goes, "there's one born every minute"...

3) Great political talking point

Like Nikki Haley was in charge of security on Jan 6th....

Most Americans don't like sitting President's chief political opponent targeted legally, two-tiers justice, weaponization of Govt DOJ & Deep pocked partisans.

I'm glad you said "legally" instead of "illegally" - there's "hope" for you yet....

Just shows how broken US courts systems are.

Yes, the system is broken if Trump loses. The only valid outcome is one in which Trump wins. Reeee

Well, he confused Nikki Hayley and Nancy Pelosi.

Happens, my parents always confuse me with my sisters it happens, I do it with my kids and wife

It wasn't a slip of the tongue, but genuinely directing claims he'd made about Pelosi to Hayley regarding the defense of the Capitol on Jan 6. 

Well, she was in charge. But no need to re-open that old book again.

That does show a genuine state of mental confusion.

Yeah, the Dems are trying hard, he said that he’s willing to take a cognitive test, Biden won’t, so…

If Biden had done that, the right wing media would have feasted on it for a month.

It’s not just the right, the nutty msm are calling Biden on it as well.

To me it demonstrated that Trump is suffering from serious mental decline.

The Dems tried that before it didn’t work.

Perhaps the court cases are bringing this on, resulting in confusion and delusion. Whatever it is, he is losing it mentally.

Not at all.

Yeah cause 83 million dollars cause you said you didn’t do something that you didn’t do is totalllllly reasonable outcome. /s

hope you never get accused of something you claim you didn’t do that there is no evidence of you doing. Where the person says wearing a 1996 produced dress in 1994.

Because it's a something a toddler would do. 

Ok, then that is what you think, I think differently. We all have our opinions.

Lol this is just pathetic. Imagine thinking this moron who can't control his emotions should be president.

He was President and guess what, No wars, No nukes, No one jailed, the nation will be fine.

so each Trump voter sends him $1.50, it’s paid and we move on back to the election.

(we are winning. Yuuuuugely)

His behavior during the trial was immature. Yesterday he walked out of the court.

His behavior during the trial was immature. Yesterday he walked out of the court.

He is a very emotional person, for sure.

Like his whiny supporters.

Yeah cause 83 million dollars cause you said you didn’t do something that you didn’t do is totalllllly reasonable outcome. /s

He went well beyond claiming simply saying he didn't do. This is exactly how defamation works.

hope you never get accused of something you claim you didn’t

Well, I've never sexually assaulted anyone. Nor have I bragged about sexual assault on tape.

do that there is no evidence of you doing.

This again is not true. Evidence was presented and witness testimony was heard.

Where the person says wearing a 1996 produced dress in 1994

The sexual assault happened in 1996. Not 1994. It's in the article.

Trump mistakes E. Jean Carroll for Marla Maples in released deposition tape

https://www.facebook.com/WorldNewsTonight/videos/trump-mistakes-e-jean-carroll-for-marla-maples-in-released-deposition-tape/909265193485879/

See ya at appeals court.

The billionaire will no doubt be after money again.

Hope his supporters are prepared to dig deep. 

Again.

No fears there. I’m totally impressed at how well this guy’s supporters can stretch a payday loan and still keep the mortgage on the trailer.

Trump expects his MAGA supporters to pick up the tab, again.

Happens, my parents always confuse me with my sisters it happens, I do it with my kids and wife

If you confuse your kids with your wife, you need to stay away from children, bass.

bass4funk

Well, he confused Nikki Hayley and Nancy Pelosi.

> Happens, my parents always confuse me with my sisters it happens, I do it with my kids and wife

Mental confusion.

See ya at appeals court.

Do you think Trump will angrily waddle out of that courtroom, too?

Hilarious.

Pretty safe bet, Trump will appeal this court's finding,

Real story's partisan d's and DOJ have badly miscalculated timing of their Trump legal warfare.

IT's all getting pushed back on the calendar, tick tock!

Like all bullies, Trump is a coward.

Leaves court before the verdict because he was too scared to have 9 people look him in the eye and call him a defamer.

His walk out during the closing arguments and his rage posting the day before likely added millions to the verdict.

What. An. Idiot.

An adjudicated sex-offender faces the consequences of defaming the victim. Good.

See ya at appeals court.

Has to put up a bond equal to the judgment.

And he has no grounds for appeal.

He’s going to pay for his stupidity.

The Best News about Trump!

After the Worst News about his political wins!!

Now the whole world knows a possible 2nd time American president is a convicted rapist and a lier and etc. etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.

Trump expects his MAGA supporters to pick up the tab, again.

its $1.50 each. Well worth it to save our country from Democrats.

Just a silly unjust, bias generated verdict that will be overturned.

And more fuel to the Trump Re-election machine charging forward.

Dear MAGAs, grab the honey, pay the money.

Real story's partisan d's and DOJ have badly miscalculated timing of their Trump legal warfare.

Trump has turned his supporters into perpetual victims.

Worse than the ‘woke’ mob they have been told to complain about.

Sad.

The Appeals Court could also increase the amount.

That's an 83 million dollar smile in the photo right there. Hopefully the MAGA rubes will share in paying for this.

Well worth it to save our country from Democrats.

Amen brother. We need the sex abuser to save us from the Democrats.

Honestly though, doesn't seem odd to you that the "billionaire" ex-president needs donations from his working class devotees to pay his legal bills? I thought he was a "billionaire."

so each Trump voter sends him $1.50, it’s paid and we move on back to the election.

See ya at appeals court.

Which is it?

I really need Trump to publicly disparage me.

The Appeals Court could also increase the amount.

Doubt it.

Doesn’t need donations. 

He doesn't need the donations, yet he's actually soliciting. Sure, I believe you. lol

Let's see, Trump slanders and defames Carroll, she sues and he has to pay millions....he then goes out and slanders and defames her again, and has to pay tens of millions....he then goes on a Truth Social rant and slanders and defames her again....I guess he really likes the move "Ground Hog Day"....

By Nov, after at least 10 more trials with the same outcome, Trump will be in jail, broke, and Trump Tower will be named "Carroll's NY Hotspot"...

One thing is for sure, his lawyer is a horrible trial attorney.

She crossed the judge. She alienated the jury.

Maybe she should go back to her day job as general counsel for a parking garage.

Hope she got her law fees up front.

When the GOP sends its people to the primaries, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing bankrupts. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

One thing is for sure, his lawyer is a horrible trial attorney. 

I think she’s pretty good, on point.

She crossed the judge. She alienated the jury. 

Ahhh, she’s should not protect your client, she should shut up and throw him to the wolves

Maybe she should go back to her day job as general counsel for a parking garage.

What?

Hope she got her law fees up front.

I don’t think you could come anywhere near this woman legally in knowledge. ROFL

Trump lacks self-control.

One thing is for sure, his lawyer is a horrible trial attorney. 

I think she’s pretty good, on point.

Of course you do.

People in the legal realm will be watching her instead of stand-up comedy for decades.

Somewhere Tapioca is laughing his behind off.

Doesn’t need donations

Ok.

Just less impact if all of us send him $1.50 and move on. 

So you’ll send money to him although he doesn’t really need it.

My old mum, a sweet soul, always offered me a few quid towards my flights home when I went to visit her.

I always refused. Maybe I should’ve nicked her purse on the way out the door.

Most experts do not see rapid legal resolution to any of these Trump matters. Certainly not prior to Nov 2024.

Tegal system's designed to take time, good for lawyers and their job $security. Trump is a tax expert, so net costs are far lower, plus it's donor '$rocket fuel'!

For Trump it's strictly political calculus, most Americans don't like partisan legal games, it's definition of ANTI- Democratic Behavior.

nah this will get thrown out on appeal and is irrelevant to the real prize, the election.

lol No it won't. It'll stand, just like the original Trump lost last year.

which Trump is winning outside the margin of error and more important, the margin of cheating.

What does any of that have to do with Trump sexually assaulting and then defaming E Jean Carroll? Says a sad lot about the geniuses who support this guy.

Will you print a new Tshirt?

nah this will get thrown out on appeal and is irrelevant to the real prize, the election.

Based on his record of success at the appellate court.

Oh, wait…..

For Trump it's strictly political calculus, most Americans don't like partisan legal games, it's definition of ANTI- Democratic Behavior

More victimhood. It’s lacking in self-respect.

I remember the days when conservatives used to despise this kind of thinking.

Trump has certainly demolished that principle. It’s non-stop whining.

I couldn’t help but notice that in his post-conviction screed, for all his raging, he kept Carrol’s name out of it.

Maybe there IS a dollar figure that gets him to shut his yap?

Trump couldn't have bought this type of publicity for $85 million.

Trump and his many stormy affairs.

JimizoToday  10:37 am JST

For Trump it's strictly political calculus, most Americans don't like partisan legal games, it's definition of ANTI- Democratic Behavior

More victimhood. It’s lacking in self-respect.

I remember the days when conservatives used to despise this kind of thinking.

Trump has certainly demolished that principle. It’s non-stop whining.

Trump Full Stop about One Thing - WINNING BABY!

I hope Trump can help out Rudy Giuliani with his legal fees and judgments. Rudy was a very loyal foot soldier for Trump.

I hope Trump can help out Rudy Giuliani with his legal fees and judgments. Rudy was a very loyal foot soldier for Trump.

Wouldn’t hold your breath.

He abandoned his Roy Chon as he lay dying of AIDS.

He’s not even going to pay his existing attorneys for this debacle.

A loser like Rudi is nothing more than canine waste on his shoe.

I hope Trump can help out Rudy Giuliani with his legal fees and judgments. Rudy was a very loyal foot soldier for Trump.

Surely he must.

We learned to today that Trump doesn’t need donations but still asks for them. Sounds very unethical to me but maybe that’s just the way I was brought up.

He must have enough spare.

A “multi-billionaire” (cough cough) and the best lawyer he can get is the general counsel for a parking garage?

Is it because:

He’s a horrible person?

He doesn’t pay his bills?

Lawyers who work for him get disbarred?

—Do you have any evidence Trump was treated unfairly? I mean any actual evidence, not just "feelings" or op-ed pieces. 

Yes, History, been following the guy since the 90’s in print, video, it’s all there.

Trump was a Democrat for most of the 90s. Were “the Dems” and “the left” going after him back then?

The adjudicated sex-offender learns that the “adult toy of consequences” is rarely accompanied by viscous fluids.

In this case, the jury added 100 grit sandpaper.

A “multi-billionaire” (cough cough) and the best lawyer he can get is the general counsel for a parking garage? 

If that’s the case then one of the judges was a cab driver, unfit, right? I mean, according to your standards

Is it because:

He’s a horrible person?

Of course not.

He doesn’t pay his bills?

So maybe this woman might not get any money?

Lawyers who work for him get disbarred? 

2&3?

Good strategy, they work at the pleasure of the client, you get the best person that can help your case and if they don’t work out, switch them, at least he can do that.

Trump was a Democrat for most of the 90s. Were “the Dems” and “the left” going after him back then?

No, because he was one of them.

The cult-leader’s rubes are so dangerous that the jury had to be anonymous IN A CIVIL CASE.

Let that sink in.

HopeSpringsEternal

Today 10:33 am JST

For Trump it's strictly political calculus, most Americans don't like partisan legal games, it's definition of ANTI- Democratic Behavior.

Isn't using these court cases for PR a bit of a partisan legal game?

Lawyers who work for him get disbarred? 

2&3?

Good strategy, they work at the pleasure of the client

Or better yet, make the decision that dozens of top-flight defense attorneys have made and DONT work for him!

You don’t get stiffed on your fees. You don’t become a laughingstock. And the odds of disbarment drop from almost assured to virtually zero.

The cult-leader’s rubes are so dangerous that the jury had to be anonymous IN A CIVIL CASE. 

It’s NYC, I wouldn’t expect any different

Let that sink in.

Or better yet, make the decision that dozens of top-flight defense attorneys have made and DONT work for him!

There are dozens that will. Hate to tell you this, but the U.S. is a big country.

You don’t get stiffed on your fees.

They didn’t.

You don’t become a laughingstock.

If the Dems control the WH and the DOJ and you have a state that is straight blue politically and you try and fight that system, you will become a laughing stock for sure.

And the odds of disbarment drop from almost assured to virtually zero.

No need to worry about disbarment, Bill Clinton is doing just fine.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this won't be the last time a jury awards E Jean Carroll a sizeable award in a defamation case to add on top of the $88.3 million Trump already must pay her! Third time a charm!

—Trump was a Democrat for most of the 90s. Were “the Dems” and “the left” going after him back then?

No, because he was one of them.

No. Trump has always been in some sort of trouble, and he has always played the victim and blamed others (and sometimes stiffed them at the same time).

You buy that victim narrative now because it helps justify your distaste for all things liberal, including democracy.

You don’t get stiffed on your fees. 

They didn’t.

Ask Rudy.

No. Trump has always been in some sort of trouble,

Yeah, he and Nadler had a beef years back I remember.

and he has always played the victim and blamed others (and sometimes stiffed them at the same time). 

When you’re in the right, you are indeed the victim.

You buy that victim narrative now because it helps justify your distaste for all things liberal, including democracy.

No, I buy it because I see it unfolding before my eyes.

Ask Rudy

Not sure, heard that had private talks, he’s quiet, so probably the issue is resolved.

Or better yet, make the decision that dozens of top-flight defense attorneys have made and DONT work for him!

There are dozens that will. Hate to tell you this, but the U.S. is a big country.

And yet he chooses the general counsel for a parking garage with no trial experience…..

Hmmmm……

Either you are mistaken or he’s an idiot.

Actually that’s a false choice. It’s both.

Well, he confused Nikki Hayley and Nancy Pelosi.

Happens, my parents always confuse me with my sisters it happens, I do it with my kids and wife.

You’re in good company. TFG couldn’t distinguish Marla Maples from Ms. Carroll.

And…

“Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?”

“If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her. Isn’t that terrible? How terrible? Is that terrible?”

So, yes, this kind of thing happens in certain circles all the time.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this won't be the last time a jury awards E Jean Carroll a sizeable award in a defamation case to add on top of the $88.3 million Trump already must pay her! Third time a charm!

If an 8-digit judgment (that’s not getting overturned and he’s definitely going to have to pay) doesn’t do the trick, maybe a 9-digit judgment will!

As for engaging some people in discussions, it's like replying to what Trump says in a speech on TV and expecting him to give you a smart, coherent answer back.

One can make the same observation about Biden, more so in fact.

They love how Trump trolls the MSM, liberals, Democrats, "the left"

Because it’s true, not sure in your country, but the swamp and the Democrats do (at least for now) control the political narrative, they have to presidency, and that includes the department of justice, the department of defense, the FBI, CIA, the Senate. So the right have every reason to complain when they are the ones that are being politically targeted.

and smart conservatives who think Trump's a fraud and a crook too,

Maybe Romney thinks that, but no one cares what he or Mitch thinks

because that's how they like to waste their time

Lol, no you didn’t just say that!

Took the jury less than three hours to reach a judgment.

I am speculating that it only took that long because one or more of the jurors was constipated.

A bit of Metamucil the night before might have gotten it down into the 45 minute range.

“Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?”

It’s incredible how Trump has forced many Republicans into jettisoning previously held values.

Aside from more practical ideas such as free-trade and fiscal conservatism, they used to claim the moral high ground.

Trump is a moral vacuum.

She said Trump slammed her against a dressing room wall, pulled down her tights and forced himself on her.

Where is the evidence???, defamation can not be made as no evidence of sexual assault exists.

Trump is right, the court has been instrumentalized for the election.

Maybe Romney thinks that, but no one cares what he or Mitch thinks

In 2012 you literally said that voting for Romney was the proudest moment of your life (bad news for your kids but okay) and that you would always support him.

You’ve also said you’re always consistent.

What happened?

Where is the evidence???, defamation can not be made as no evidence of sexual assault exists.

Hey, here's the evidence. Go read it yourself.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23317687-e-jean-carroll-v-donald-trump-112422

Trump sexually assaulted and then defamed E Jean Carroll. He lost this case like he usually does.

The funny thing is that this whole thing would bow over if he’d just keep his big mouth shut, but Trump cannot keep his trap shut.

Besides, it’s politically stupid because he’s putting a spotlight on this rape a jury found him guilty of.

The funny thing is that this whole thing would bow over if he’d just keep his big mouth shut, but Trump cannot keep his trap shut

Now you’re just talking sense. Trump doesn’t do rational, because he’s a narcissistic sociopath with deep-insecurities and a misogynist to boot.

He’s not emotionally capable of impulse control.

Just what you’d want in a person with nuclear launch codes, eh?

Trump lost in a New York court with a Democrat judge and a New York Democrat jury. Who could have seen that coming?

Simon FostonToday  11:15 am JST

HopeSpringsEternal

Today 10:33 am JST

For Trump it's strictly political calculus, most Americans don't like partisan legal games, it's definition of ANTI- Democratic Behavior.

Isn't using these court cases for PR a bit of a partisan legal game?

Good question? Trump views it like Judo, he's attacked so he uses his opponents' energy against in order to win.

Exactly why Trump's winner, lemons into lemonade!

Cards fanToday  12:05 pm JST

Where is the evidence???, defamation can not be made as no evidence of sexual assault exists.

Hey, here's the evidence. Go read it yourself.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23317687-e-jean-carroll-v-donald-trump-112422

Trump sexually assaulted and then defamed E Jean Carroll. He lost this case like he usually does.

BS , no evidence exists in your link.

making a groundless claim 27 years later just before the election... LOL

Will Trump refuse to pay his lawyer again?

All The Trump Lawyers Who Have Quit: Tacopina Latest To Walk Away

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/01/16/joe-tacopina-steps-down-heres-a-timeline-of-all-the-trump-lawyers-who-have-quit/?sh=4d1b20ed4825

More than 15 lawyers.

BS , no evidence exists in your link.

lol What are you talking about? It's a link to the lawsuit filed by E Jean Carroll. It has photographs, statements from the victim, Trump, and multiple witnesses.

making a groundless

Well-founded. Not baseless. Baseless are your complaints.

claim 27 years later just before the election... LOL

The defamation happened last year. It'd be pretty funny to sue Trump for defamation before defamation happened. Wouldn't it?

Will Trump refuse to pay his lawyer again?

Doubt it.

All The Trump Lawyers Who Have Quit: Tacopina Latest To Walk Away

He has the right to get the council he wants, they serve at the pleasure of their client.

More than 15 lawyers.

Good.

I doubt a part-time photographer and ALT could afford that.

Ahh, making stuff up again I see. Nice. try.

Not when you have to keep up the fees in your private jet!

You been to my House in Texas??? Funny, did not know....

HopeSpringsEternal

Today 12:39 pm JST

Simon FostonToday 11:15 am JSTI sn't using these court cases for PR a bit of a partisan legal game?

Good question? Trump views it like Judo, he's attacked so he uses his opponents' energy against in order to win.

Sounds a bit like a partisan legal game then, and you say Americans don't like them.

In 2012 you literally said that voting for Romney was the proudest moment of your life

Yes, that is true.

(bad news for your kids but okay)

What?

and that you would always support him.

I did until he flopped.

You’ve also said you’re always consistent.

Always.

What happened?

Nothing.

bass4funk

Will Trump refuse to pay his lawyer again?

> Doubt it.

Rudy did not get paid.

All The Trump Lawyers Who Have Quit: Tacopina Latest To Walk Away

> He has the right to get the council he wants, they serve at the pleasure of their client.

You have the stick the wrong way around. They quit. not Trump firing them.

Dont get too excited. Trump will appeal and win as usual.

indigo

Today 12:04 pm JST

She said Trump slammed her against a dressing room wall, pulled down her tights and forced himself on her.

Where is the evidence???, defamation can not be made as no evidence of sexual assault exists.

Trump's word against hers, the jury in the original civil case took hers. He didn't exactly make a compelling argument in his own defence.

kyushubill

Today 12:33 pm JST

Trump lost in a New York court with a Democrat judge and a New York Democrat jury.

Do they purposefully select registered Democrats for jury duty in New York?

Rudy did not get paid.

How do you know, nothing was said recently, seems both men met a few times, so we don't what was said or if he was paid or not.

You have the stick the wrong way around. They quit.

Yes, they can, and Trump can seek new council and they have the right to leave.

Trump's word against hers, the jury in the original civil case took hers. He didn't exactly make a compelling argument in his own defence.

It's NYC, so the chances of Trump winning were about as good as a chicken running through a lake laced with 50 Crocs.

Trump stormed out of the courtroom while court was still in session.

What a drama queen!

Trump stormed out of the courtroom while court was still in session.

What a drama queen!

If I knew I was innocent and had to pay........uh...the woman..yeah, I would have a fit myself. so can't blame him on that.

If I knew I was innocent and had to pay.

But he's not innocent. Donald sexually assaulted her.

He's just sniveling child.

Simon Foston: Do they purposefully select registered Democrats for jury duty in New York?

Well since NY is 97% Democrat, what do you think? Especially since the judge noted that Republicans are a threat to the nation on the Jimmy Kimmel show last night, proudly saying "Thank God NYC is a solid Blue city."

Well since NY is 97% Democrat, what do you think?

NY isn't 97% Democrat. It's 70% male, yet that was the make up of the jury.