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Great speech. The MSM commentators have nothing so they already pushing speculation about why he didn’t talk about topics they can attack him about more (whatabout Russia??!! But attacks in Afghanistan!))

then bunch of non speech related complaints and backhanded compliments. “Usually he only talks about himself but today he included others” type nonsense. Winning!

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"Tonight, I call upon all of us to set aside our differences, to seek out common ground, and to summon the unity we need to deliver for the people we were elected to serve," Trump

Fine words, pity he has done exactly the opposite over the last year

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More important than building the wall are the major repairs and structural updates to 50,000 bridges which end-to-end would reach from New York to Miami.

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More important than building the wall are the major repairs and structural updates to 50,000 bridges which end-to-end would reach from New York to Miami.

Yes, thankfully there is enough money for both the wall and that infrastructure. Because if we did have to choose, the priority would have to be infrastructure. Luckily its not a choice.

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Yes, thankfully there is enough money for both the wall and that infrastructure. Because if we did have to choose, the priority would have to be infrastructure. Luckily its not a choice.

Were is the more than $1 trillion to $2 trillion going to come from to repair the bridges and infrastructure?

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Trump calls for unity, yet a member of his party demands capital police arrest any illegal aliens, knowing there will be dreamers in attendance. Empty words from a morally empty man.

The Republican version of bipartisanship is for Democrats to vote for everything Republicans propose while they vote down all Democratic amendments.

But whatever Trump says in an hour will change by morning. Trump has only one core conviction: doing what makes himself look good in the moment.

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"The Official Response" from Sen. Joseph Kennedy III was really pathetic. The guy should have went into the clergy, not politics.

If the Dems try to have him run against Trump they're gonna blow it again.

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@blackl Great speech. 

He is getting better at reading from the teleprompter. 

@bl The MSM commentators have nothing 

But several articles have been written fact-checking his claims. Google Trump sotu factcheck

(@bl whatabout Russia??!!

Excellent point! What about Russia? What connections did Trump and his team have with Russians during the election and what connections do they currently have? Hopefully soon info will come out showing who all (both parties) had dealings with Russians.

@bl Afghanistan

Another good topic that needs further discussion. Why does Trump want to continue to sink taxpayer's moneys into an unwinnable war? Do he and the GOP think that more spending to finance big war industries are needed to keep the economy going?

I notice no mention of Trump's bringing up clean (hehe) coal. Don’t blame you.

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Zero details, zero budgeting, and zero support from his party in the House. Grand rhetoric is fine if backed up by a detailed plan, money, and support; otherwise, it's simply hot air.

Nothing will be accomplished this year, which is probably for the best. Anyway, Trump will be sufficiently busy trying to avoid indictment.

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What an excellent speech from an excellent President!

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Watching the Republican minions spring to their feet, I was reminded of the staged applause Kim Jong Un gets at his grand speeches.

I was really hoping to see one of his victims come forth and chuck rotten fruit at the scoundrel.

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And...that's a wrap. Ho hum.

But.

After the 2012 defeat, as you all no doubt recall, the conservative Republican establilshment issued their 'atopsy,' wherein they correctly identified that to survive Republicans need to soften their anti-immigrant rhetoric to appeal to moderates and latinos.

This speech is not really all that special, other than clearly marking that Republican establishment has reversed course since the election of Trump and are going all-in on anti-immigration.

Fair enough. Constitutionally, nowhere is it written than the the US is a nation of immigrants. ( It is against the Constitution, however, to discriminate against potential immigrants based on their race,religion or national origin, so Trumps Muslim Ban and "shthle countries" remark is illegal)

But,

It is written into the very fabric of our society that we, now how did that go...oh right, welcome the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Americans by large margins view our nation as not just the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, not only as the City on the Hill, but as that free and brave and open city that welcomes those from other lands to become part of our great celebration of freedom and opportunity. This is our creed, and as fanciful, hypocritical and beautiful as it may be, it is why the vast majority of American and even the majority of Republican voters support some kind of path to citizenship for the Dreamers.

Its just the way we are. And to be anything otherwise is to most of us simply un-American.

In short, what is the state of our Union after one year Trump. That's easy:

The Republican party is dying.

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Actually he spoke of clean coal, yes. Infrastructure money will come from the budget it’s not like it will be paid all at once.

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Watching the Republican minions spring to their feet

Is this the first SOTU speech you've ever seen? They always do that, both sides, depending on if its a Dem or a Rep.

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Actually he spoke of clean coal, yes.

What's clean coal? Is that the one which isn't mined or burnt?

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Polls after the SOTU are overwhelming positive. 75% approval rating.

a few nuggets I’ve seen in the immediate aftermath;

2 Democrat lawmakers staring at their phones while the President spoke about caring for returning injured US service members

Nancy Pelosi almost spitting out her teeth during a prolonged ovation for the President.

Another decisive win for President Trump

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why was the title of the article changed from the original headline to an anti-Trump one?

Regardless, it was a successful speech even if the media is trying to say it wasnt only because the Dems didnt like it. There was very little in that speech not to like in a bipartisan way.

Its not like Trump created the words clean coal:

Coal pollution mitigation, often referred to by the public relations term clean coal, is a series of systems and technologies that seek to mitigate the pollution and other environmental effects normally associated with the burning.....

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Polls after the SOTU are overwhelming positive. 75% approval rating.

which polls would that be, even a single one will do?

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Infrastructure money will come from the budget it’s not like it will be paid all at once.

It won't come at all. Trump's talking about $200 billion to fix a multi- billion dollar problem. Of course, he talks about "partnering" with state and local governments (meaning they'll pay, after having federal benefits yanked away from the tax cuts) and the private sector, which means tolls in the cities and nothing in the countryside. And then there's the $50 billion he wants for the wall - money that could go towards roads and bridges. No, it's pathetic.

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Polls after the SOTU are overwhelming positive. 75% approval rating.

Obama’s were higher after his first SOTU.

It’s a question of class.

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which polls would that be, even a single one will do?

> Just one, zichi?

Mask, and ye shall receive, my good man.

Our instant @cbsnews @yougov poll finds strong approval among viewers of SOTU pic.twitter.com/HQv7saMjdQ

— Anthony Salvanto (@SalvantoCBS) January 31, 2018

CBS News remarked: “Eight in 10 Americans who watched tonight felt that the president was trying to unite the country, rather than divide it.”

TRUMP. JUST . KEEPS. ON. WINNING!

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Trump just keeps on winning, eh?

Why are his approval ratings in the toilet? You seem to be very taken with polls.

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Polls after the SOTU are overwhelming positive. 75% approval rating.

Republicans see a poll they don’t like: Fake news they scream. Polls can’t be trusted they scream.

Republicans see a poll the like: See, Trump is winning they scream.

Seems like they just spend all their time screaming.

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He doesn’t want 50 billion for the Wall, come on.... and once it is proven 75 percent of people polled at an anti-trump news organization (CBS) liked the speech, back we go to “but but approval ratings”. Let me guess, his approval rating is 32% or something?

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Great speech. Seven more to go.

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Its clear the only people screaming are those professional outraged who still can't come to grips with their anger and frustration. They still can't get over the fact they didn't get their way

Trump supporters? I would hardly call victory celebration after victory celebration "screaming"

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Mask, and ye shall receive, my good man.

I wonder if I you lack the intelligence to realize the quote you posted doesn’t support the assertion that was made, or if you have the intelligence and were attempting to deceive those that don’t.

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Also sid anyone see the horrid rebuttal speech?. With all of the identity politics that the left plays why was it done by a white, straight, rich, man from a well known family? Didn’t he steal an opportunity from someone else with his “white privilege mansplaining”?

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Let me guess, his approval rating is 32% or something?

I think the average of the polls has him at about 40%. You and others in the past have chosen the poll giving the highest number. Not very impressive. Then you dismiss the less flattering polls as biased or fake news. On other days, you dismiss polls as fake, citing how they’ve been wrong in the past.

Not very impressive and honest, but I can see how it could cheer some people up.

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And the $50 billion is a complete fabrication. In fact, the wall will come to about 0.65% of the US 1.6 trillion dollar budget.

A mere pittance for a wall that will help restore order and more importantly save lives.

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A mere pittance for a wall that will help restore order and more importantly save lives.

So nothing too big for the Mexican people to worry about paying for, then.

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Even 43% of Dems liked the speech according to CBS news.

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A mere pittance for a wall that will help restore order and more importantly save lives.

Republicans aren’t even willing to save lives through providing health care to the people, so let’s not even try to pretend that this boondoggle is meant to save lives. If that’s what the pubs were intending to do they would take care of their people.

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Breibart is not a worthy news source.

POLL:75% approve of Trump's State of the Union.

When in fact,

“Eight in 10 Americans who watched tonight felt that the president was trying to unite the country, rather than divide it.” The CBS News / YouGov poll may have been skewed somewhat by the fact that more Republicans watched the speech than Democrats. Only 25% of democrats watched the SOTU.

Trump's approval rating is above 50% in only 12 states. Approval rates Is underwater in 18 states Trump carried in 2016.

Today's approval rating is 39% while the disapproval rate is 55.8%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

"is that Trump's always winning?"

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So all the people who didn’t watch it hated what they didn’t hear.

Just like all the Dems who refused to read the memo say it’s biased and full of mistakes and a threat to national security.

Nope you don’t invest the time to see it, you don’t get to comment on it. 4 polls are actually higher than the Rasmussen one liberals always complaining about, including CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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4 polls are actually higher than the Rasmussen one liberals always complaining about, including CNN.

Fake news by the MSM. You guys told me that polls and the MSM cannot be trusted. We all know that Trump is a failure with only a 6% approval rating. You sheep are eating the MSM pizza they’re feeding you.

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Even 43% of Dems liked the speech according to CBS news.

so what's 43% of 25% of democrats who watched the SOTU on CBS?

Nope you don’t invest the time to see it,

I didn't watch the SOTU but I did take the time after watching my football/soccer to read it on the White House to read it but I'm not a democrat or republican.

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4 polls are actually higher than the Rasmussen one liberals always complaining about, including CNN.

So are you going to quote the poll with the highest approval number as the true measure of Trump’s popularity again? Is the thinking based on the higher the number, the more accurate the number?

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Nope I’m using as sources some of the MSM sources that liberals get angry about when Trump calls them fake and biased. Are you telling me they really are after all and that Trump was right all along?

So what IS his approval rating anyway if you don’t like the RCP average?

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So all the people who didn’t watch it hated what they didn’t hear.

I watched a lot of it. How come he didn't say how he was going to get Mexico to pay for the wall?

A mere pittance for a wall that will help restore order and more importantly save lives.

Ladders? They have always worked to go over walls.

He doesn’t want 50 billion for the Wall

A solid concrete wall that is 2,000 miles by 50 feet will cost that and more. Then it has to be maintained forever. Who is going to pay for that?

thankfully there is enough money for both the wall and that infrastructure.

How long will the wall be needed? Centuries? How about maintenance? What can be done about ladders and ropes? How about tunnels being dug? Also, who is going to pay for the highways? Gas tax collections are way down? Does highway maintenance grow on trees? Which is more important. The 50B dollar wall that Mexico won't pay for or highway repair? Can't have both in the budget.

No wall = Trump's main failure

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so what's 43% of 25% of democrats who watched the SOTU on CBS?

About 20% more of Dems than should have liked it.

I didn't watch the SOTU but I did take the time after watching my football/soccer to read it on the White House to read it but I'm not a democrat or republican.

Oh an Independent? 72% or so of them liked the speech too. And you dont read a speech, you watch it. Same as you watched the game and didnt just read about the score. Its a different experience. If they wanted you to read it, he wouldnt have stood up there and talked for 90 mins and they wouldnt have bothered to televise it.

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immigration deal and that he would provide Dreamers a pathway to citizenship over 10 to 12 years

Such a long time.

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With all of the identity politics that the left plays why was it done by a white, straight, rich, man from a well known family?

Completely standard. "Privileged" white male leftists never see their own so called "privilege", only that of conservatives.

Btw identity politics will be the ruin of America. There should only be one identity that truly counts and that's national identity.

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So what IS his approval rating anyway if you don’t like the RCP average?

I think the best way is to go on an average of the polls.

Choosing the highest or lowest approval rating to support your biases seems dishonest. I’d go as far as to call it childish.

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Mike Pence wins the Best Toady Award for the night. Paul Ryan is just going to have to get better at understanding that EVERY OTHER Trump utterance is a punch line upon which all true believers are expected to rise, whoop, and vigorously clap.

From the profoundly trite:

"If you work hard, if you believe in yourself, if you believe in America, then you can dream anything, you can be anything, and together, we can achieve absolutely anything."

To the cynical dog whistle racism:

"And something I'm very proud of, African-American unemployment stands at the lowest rate ever recorded. And Hispanic-American unemployment has also reached the lowest levels in history."

Because you know, why would Donald Trump bring up the issue of African-American and Hispanic-American unemployment anyway? You know, just a few days after Jay-Z insulted his royal orangeness? And in the same speech that makes a dig at Colin Kaepernick and the protests against police racism? Hmmm...

Put it in the context of Trump's being, what he stands for, what appeals to his base. This is his way (with a little input from Stephen Miller, I'm sure) of subtly and cynically insulting minorities while at the same time pretending that he cares about them. And it makes a lot of his white supporters feel morally grand about themselves.

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I have four words for all that Wall dissension:

Great.Wall.Of.China

A wall is being built, just going to have to deal with it. As I said before, its your fault- shouldnt have screwed Bernie.

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The Democrats made fools of themselves. They acted like a bunch of pouting teenagers. They are so unhappy, full of hatred. Please America, please vote Republican in this year's elections. We need a better Congress willing to support our great President Trump and VP Pence.

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Black, Trump read from a teleprompter and didn't trip over his own feet. That is what is called "success" in this administration. He also said nothing. Honestly: Is there anything about his speech that you'll remember tomorrow? Any rallying call for the future? Any?

I thought not.

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About 20% more of Dems than should have liked it.

45% of the 25% of the democrats who watched the SOTU on CBS would in fact be 10.75% of democrats who thought that Trump was trying to unite the country and main political parties. It wasn't that 43% "like the speech".

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I think the best way is to go on an average of the polls.

Choosing the highest or lowest approval rating to support your biases seems dishonest. I’d go as far as to call it childish.

Yeah thats what the RCP average is, the average of the 14 most recent polls from 14 different organizations. its pretty legitimate to me., well as legitimate as a "poll" can be.

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If the Great Wall of America is ever constructed its costs will certainly become the Great White Elephant of America.

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Yeah thats what the RCP average is, the average of the 14 most recent polls from 14 different organizations. its pretty legitimate to me., well as legitimate as a "poll" can be.

I agree. So let’s not just post the findings of a single poll you like.

Sticking with averages is more honest.

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Great.Wall.Of.China

Around a million people died making that wall. Also, It used slave labor. Again, who is going to pay the tens and tens (perhaps even 100s) of billions to pay for the wall? Trump cannot use slaves. Trump and his supporters want to but it would be illegal. People have to be paid to build the wall.

A wall is being built, just going to have to deal with it.

With what money? Do walls grow on trees? And how can the US deal with ladders? Shovels? Catapults to sling the drug packages over?

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He said nothing? Couid have sworn I heard his voice for around 90 minutes talking about our successes and his vision for our future mixed in with a lot of heroic stories and stories of tragic loss.

Guess heroes and tragedy are “nothing” these days.

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He said nothing?

Yes, nothing specific about the wall. Or did he? I watched from the middle. What did he way about the wall in case I missed it?

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"If the Great Wall of America is ever constructed its costs will certainly become the Great White Elephant of America."

That's the spirit, zichi - let 'em all in, lol!

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If you believe one word from this bigot, I feel bad for you. The only thing he’s done since the election is to say things he never does and refute things he said or did. We are talking a bloody liar here.

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Great speech. Interesting how the Democrats have to always be whiny and so full of emotion. They tried to his speech and every lame excuse was pathetic, but it was good to see how childish the Democrats are and what obstructionists they truly are.

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I’m sure the “Trump” in China at the time of the Great Wall was given the same excuses as to why it couldn’t be done too. Yet there it is still standing. With latest technology sure we can build something that requires minimal maintenance.

Trunp mentioned the wall in his speech. said building the wall is the 2nd pillar of his immigration plan, after citizenship for the Dreamers.

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CNN Poll: 48% give Trump very positive review for State of the Union address

Whoa, this is a CNN poll, so you know it's really well over half give Trump a very positive review. What's up with all the negativism here? lol

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Reading the semi-literate Trump supports falling all over themselves with praise for a speech with zero details is side-splittingly hilarious.

Trump sounded Xanax-ed up

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Reading the semi-literate Trump supports falling all over themselves with praise for a speech with zero details is side-splittingly hilarious.

He laid out the details, but there was too much steam being emitted from their ears to realize it.

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Yet there it is still standing..

Yes, with slave labor and over a million lives (many of them simply buried at the bottom of it)

the same excuses as to why it couldn’t be done too.

Excuses were not possible with the Wall of China because it was built with a repressive regime that allowed and even required slavery and indiscriminate deaths from its construction. Anyone opposing the Great Wall would disappear. Trump would have to become a dictator in order to build the wall (and do other things like arrest Hillary and have a real Muslim ban). But he can't. And we are fee to make fun of Trump because of this all we want. The only way he can retaliate is on Twitter.

said building the wall is the 2nd pillar of his immigration plan

All 2,000 miles by 50 ft. of it? How will it be paid for? That will be at least 50B$. And then there is maintenance.

It's OK to believe in the wall is coming just like it's OK to believe the same that Santa is coming on Xmas (for children)

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"Black unemployment at a record low"

Thanks, Obama! Er, President Trump? Nah...

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Whoa, this is a CNN poll, so you know it's really well over half give Trump a very positive review.

By the same logic, are you willing to trim a few points off other polls with a purported pro-Trump bias?

Perhaps we can create a handicap system. The Fox viewers can just double whatever number they like ( double means times two - times is that thing which is like an x between numbers ). They’ll still never have to worry about reaching 100.

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Great.Wall.Of.China

Reminder: two of the last three Chinese dynasties (the Yuan and the Qing) came from north of the Wall - the Mongols and Manchus, respectively. The wall was a white elephant for China, expensive to build, impossible to maintain, accomplishing nothing. (I know - I've visited both ends and much of the middle.) Really, the Wall was and is an embarrassment.

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Tommy Jones: "Reading the semi-literate Trump supports"

Har!

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Zichi - I quoted a CBS poll, not Breitbart.

and oh dear. The subject at hand is not Trumps approval rating, but the approval rating of his SOTU.

DO try and keep up.

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The tax cuts signed into law last year will do, thank you.

Back to political gridlock, and people can go about their business without disruption. Things should be good.

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'The speech was short on details about Trump's policy proposals.'

Here we go again. The embarrassment continues unabated. Another simple speech for the simple folk without any substance. Looking forward to the results of Mr. Mueller's investigation. One year of Dodgy Don at the helm is one year too many.

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By the same logic, are you willing to trim a few points off other polls with a purported pro-Trump bias? 

To be honest, I don’t care about polls so much, they’re not really accurate 100% but I do watch the markets and the way business has been going here and abroad, people seem to be very happy.

Perhaps we can create a handicap system. The Fox viewers can just double whatever number they like ( double means times two - times is that thing which is like an x between numbers ). They’ll still never have to worry about reaching 100

And the liberal networks can double theirs into negative digits for their viewers. But it doesn’t matter because when the economy flourishes, you can forget everything else. Dems should learn from this, capitalism is good, socialism is bad. I learned that in 5th grade.

Really, the Wall was and is an embarrassment.

Not having one is a disgrace!

https://youtu.be/_BlD61vodZI

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bass - Thanks for the link on the Wall. Here's a link for the entire SOTU speech which apparently a lot of people here didn't actually watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npz2zEJt2pc

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yeah im shocked 70% of CNN viewers responded very positively or positively. But no democrats watched that channel either somehow?

anyway on to the memo release now that Trump delayed it as to not interfere with his speech.

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Not having one is a disgrace!

There is no wall, never will be. How is it possible to build one without slave labor (the Wall of China was brought up). And when it's up they will use ladders and shovels. 2,000 miles by 50 feet for 50 billion dollars paid by taxpayers and all they need is a 50 dollar ladder and 5 dollar rope...or a dollar shovel from Home Depot. And if they want drugs to go over they will just use catapults.

https://youtu.be/_BlD61vodZI

That's not an actual wall, those are just wall ideas. They will never be built.

Even if it is built (which it won't) it will be defeated with old technology.

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Cost of Great Wall of America divided by cost per dollar effect equals the Great White Elephant of America. Happens with all the major projects and this won't be an exemption.

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Cost of Great Wall of America divided by cost per dollar effect equals the Great White Elephant of America. Happens with all the major projects and this won't be an exemption.

Not this time, you are really sadly mistaken, either the Dems take Trump on his offer or No offer, he doesn’t get the money for the troops and end to chain migration, the visa lottery program and and funding for the wall, No DACA, simple as that.

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Not this time, you are really sadly mistaken

But there is no wall. Just crazy ideas that won't work. You cannot build a wall on a river. It's not structurally possible. And how about ladders, shovels, and ropes? Then catapults to sling over the narcotics.

What will happen is no wall while Trump betrays his followers and admits millions and millions of illegals like Reagan did. It's Reagan part II. Blaming President Hillary is just an excuse. It's all on Trump (and Reagan)

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So once again that 40 foot ladder weighs 80kg not just gonna walk up carrying it. And digging a hole under a wall that size with a shovel, what 2 days? Do you think the 5000 border agents we hire just gonna stand there and watch it?

And I’m still not clear how 20 billion for the Wall became 50 billion since last week.

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Whoever wrote Trump's speech did a great job. I am not a fan of his and I do not think he could have written that speech but like it or not it was very good. The CBS approval ratings were pretty high.

Wall or not something needs to be done about immigration. The compromise for the Dreamers seems more than fair. As a classical liberal I do not see how the Democrats would not jump at this. In the big picture of the budget the cost of the wall is peanuts compared to how much the U.S. govt. pi$$es away.

I still think Trump is unfit for office but his speech was good.

I guess what is supposed to happen in the mind of the press is he is supposed to cave on all aspects related to immigration. I could not disagree more.

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Yes interesting how the words “bipartisan” and “compromise” seem to now mean “give the Dems all you they want and give up anything you want as whatever you might want is clearly racist”.

Dems didn’t stand or applaud for God, the flag, heroes, victims, grieving parents, a kid, police, women, military, NK defectors, the economy, successful businessmen, nothing. So what do they want America to be and what would they cheer for?

Best part was when walking out Trump said he is 100 percent releasing that memo.

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"I still think Trump is unfit for office"

He's proved he's more than fit for office.

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So once again that 40 foot ladder weighs 80kg not just gonna walk up carrying it. And digging a hole under a wall that size with a shovel, what 2 days? Do you think the 5000 border agents we hire just gonna stand there and watch it? 

The great thing about the design of the wall is, you can see what’s going on and even if they “could” over it, they have to try and either scale over the 2nd bigger wall or dig very deep to get under it and between the walls, there will be more border agents, so it’ll be easier for them to catch illegal aliens and the rule of catch and release are also out the window.

Wall or not something needs to be done about immigration. The compromise for the Dreamers seems more than fair. As a classical liberal I do not see how the Democrats would not jump at this. In the big picture of the budget the cost of the wall is peanuts compared to how much the U.S. govt. pi$es away.

Exactly! Hit it right out of the park.

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40 foot ladder weighs 80kg

No, it's a 60 foot ladder and can be handled by two people easily. Made by Werner (look it up) And they have 2,000 total miles to choose from on the Mexico side where it's not the US business.

And I’m still not clear how 20 billion for the Wall became 50 billion since last week.

It's a government project. Look at the Iraq war.

And digging a hole under a wall that size with a shovel, what 2 days?

They make tunnels all the time. This is nothing new.

Also, catapults to sling over the drugs.

Do you think the 5000 border agents we hire just gonna stand there and watch it?

You can't have a 50B$ wall and hire 5,000 border agents at the same time. There is no money now and there is a shortage of border agents now. You can have one or the other, but not both. Which is it? Also, there is a shortage of immigration judges.

Trump's wall is a joke and he will still grant millions citizenship to illegals just like Reagan did. What a comedy.

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Anyone see Joe Kennedy's angry, dark, scary, fantasy rant after Trump's great SOTU speech? This is the official Democratic response, lol...

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The great thing about the design of the wall is

It will be funny seeing all that money wasted with simple ladders and ropes.

scale over the 2nd bigger wall

Yes, with a ladder going up and a rope going down like Trump says.

During a town-hall meeting in New Hampshire on Wednesday, Donald Trump said if elected president he would build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border so tall that no one could scale it—or would regret it if they did. “Once they get up there,” he said, “there will be no way to get down. Well, maybe a rope

(Trump, yes, Trump said that)

there will be more border agents

You can't hire more border agents and have the wall. Too expensive. And who is going to pay for this? Mexico won't. Right now there is a 2,000 person shortage. Hiring good agents is difficult because if you hire too many too easily too many will be corrupt like in the past.

the rule of catch and release are also out the window.

What's the new rule?

To all you Trump/immigration hating people.

No one hates immigration. But Trump's wall is really stupid. It can be defeated by ladders and ropes (see Trump quote above for proof)

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Fact Checks:

2018 US State of the Union address

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/30/580378279/trumps-state-of-the-union-address-annotated

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/factchecking-trumps-state-union/

Democratic Response To State Of The Union

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/30/580378787/fact-check-democratic-response-to-state-of-the-union

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Thanks Lostrune.

So Trump once again repeatedly took credit for all the stuff Obama did. Heh, don't expect the Trump faithful to deal in facts.

One thing I find amusing is hardly any of the cheerleaders here are actually American or eligible to vote for Trump. This November's election is going to be hilarious to watch.

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blacklabel: Nope I’m using as sources some of the MSM

Ah, so #FakeNews.

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Dear People of Earth,

Please accept my apology for the man currently serving as the American President. Believe me, he is as embarrassing to Americans as he is to everyone else.

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Madverts

If Trump took credit for Obama he would have to state how he was on dozens of television shows DURING his presidency. ( Time well spent? or did he think it was a popularity contest? )

He gave away 700 BILLION dollars to the banks and other small companies. The banks needed TWO bailouts and they continue to bludgeon the American people with nonsense charges.

He would have to take credit for MILLIONS of illegals coming across the border unchecked causing the American tax payers 10s of BILLIONS of dollars, a culture change that would see American men and women out of jobs, and unable to find new ones because the DONT SPEAK SPANISH.

I find your lack of knowledge amusing, and your assumption on the next election will be just as sad as the last.

Who won that again?

And even more will vote R after seeing the insane nature the left has when they don't get their way. Like a baby without her bah bah.

How about some facts/stats/anything that will make you credible? Those are annoying huh?

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"So Trump once again repeatedly took credit for all the stuff Obama did"

Sure, Madverts. Just like 7 years from now he'll still be taking credit for all the stuff Obama did, lol.

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Climbing the Great Wall

Stephen Rogata scale the New York Trump Tower in 2016, with sucker feet. Many others too.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-climb-building-suction-cups-stephen-rogata-492584

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But it doesn’t matter because when the economy flourishes, you can forget everything else

How about immigration? Health care? Education? Foreign policy? I could go on. Immigration seems to be a big issue for many - people have referenced it here.

Also, remember that a strong economy is not the only measure of success. As you told us, non-partisan historians regard the last GOP president as a success despite the fact he inherited a decent economy and left office with the economy in the toilet.

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and even more will vote R after seeing the insane nature the

How about when they see the insane nature of the wall idea?

He would have to take credit for MILLIONS of illegals coming across the border

Then why do Republicans like Reagan and Trump keep them there with millions in amnesty? How come Trump doesn't just kick them out like he promised?

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Many brilliant moments in President Trumps address last night; well crafted and woven together to celebrate America’s greatest traditions and characteristics.

The story of the two tenage girls murdered by MS-13 gang members -- "people" the democrats want to fast track to American citizenship -- broke my heart. I was in tears. Then I got angry. This is the true cost of open borders.

The most powerful one, however, did not come from an American. Ji Seong-ho holding up his crutches has the potential to become an iconic image. It completely captured not only the highest of American ideals, but also, by contrast, the squalid, petty, and degrading nature of tyranny. Wonder how the MSM missed reporting his story.

Our minority political party showed their true colors to all Americans and the world at large to see. The Democrats sitting there looking at their phones, not standing to honor our police and military, booing and walking out when the chamber erupted in a "USA" chant will regret the optics that showed all Americans who their democrat congress really are, and who they really care about. It was not their American constituents, it was the illegals who want to come here to steal, harm and usurp instead of join and assimilate.

Only the willfully ignorant will think the democrats can do no wrong after last night's pathetic display of un-Americanism.

President Trump transcends the Washington swamp, the democrat bile and its hatred, vindictiveness and division, GOP RINO dinosaurs, the NWO-controlled Fake News Media machine and the entertainment industry nut jobs.

Well done, PDJT. One SOTU address down, seven more to go.

MAGA

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Texas A Exactly, exactly!

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Climbing the Great Wall

Stephen Rogata scale the New York Trump Tower in 2016, with sucker feet. Many others too.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-climb-building-suction-cups-stephen-rogata-492584

Ohhh dear. I think its past bedtime for a few here tonight....

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the democrats want to fast track to American citizenship

No, that's Reagan (3M) and Trump (1.8M so far and no wall)

http://www.newsweek.com/how-climb-building-suction-cups-stephen-rogata-492584

It's ladders and ropes for Trump's wall. Trump even said this. American's big 50B$ scam that even Trump admitted it would be weak.

it was the illegals who want to come here to steal, harm and usurp instead of join and assimilate.

Then why is Trump giving them citizenship? Same with Reagan.

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the only "hard line" is policies aimed at illegal immigrants. They are perfectly free to apply for proper visas.

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 battling a probe into his campaign's alleged ties with Russia and suffering low job approval ratings

not to mention historically high jobs market, stocks and economy. people never seem to mention these hmmmm

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at illegal immigrants

Then why is he granting them citizenship? Why not kick them out?

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Because illegals are profitable for the government and businesses.

Illegals have to use false social security numbers, so they pay taxes and into social security, but can never receive any benefits.

Illegals are exploited by employers deducting high percentages of wages or forcing unpainted overtime or lower than minimum wage pay, knowing that they can’t complain.

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It was nice to see Nancy Pelosi fidgeting with her dentures for 90 minutes.

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With all the the guff over the last year or so about self sufficiency and bringing jobs back to America, one feels that Trump might have a wee bit in common with Kropotkin. Apart from the latter wishing to abolish money.

Now that would be good.

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Stephen Rogata scale the New York Trump Tower in 2016, with sucker feet. Many others too

A lot of people hate heights and also, flood lights have a long range, so it might be easier picking off people.

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A lot of people hate heights and also, flood lights have a long range, so it might be easier picking off people.

Gee, floodlights for 2,000+ miles, never thought about that but I wonder who'd going to be paying the power bill and the wages of all the electricians to maintain those lights and the halogen light tubes. Gos that will certainly add to the costs of "running the great wall" along with the 5,000 border agents.

My point really is that no wall will keep out all illegal immigrants 100% of the time and I also question the necessity of the wall when over the past year the numbers have fallen.

In the end it will just be one of those "walls to nowhere!"

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I'm disappointed he has given up on repealing ACA.

I'm happy the stock market is up over 30+% in the last 12 months. Up 250points already this morning!

Life is good, except the ACA bills just don't stop.

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The Democrats hatred of America was palpable throughout a very patriotic SOTU address. They couldn’t muster a single cheer for their own flag and the national anthem. It’s an embarrassment. You don’t see this kind of self loathing by Leftists in other countries.

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President Trump's best line from last night's address: “Americans are dreamers, too.”

Knocked.It.Out.Of.The.Park!

One the other hand, the dems gave republicans great campaign ad materia by being so opposed to the things that benefit American citizens' lives and showing their preference for illegal aliens.

GOP landslide incoming this November.

MAGA

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They couldn’t muster a single cheer for their own flag and the national anthem. It’s an embarrassment. You don’t see this kind of self loathing by Leftists in other countries.

They don't have to. Their devotion to their country isn't defined by how much they hate other countries.

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Watching the democrats faces, refusing to acknowledge acts of heroism and sacrifice, and their phone texting antics during the SOTU showed America and the world why there won’t be a Democratic Party much longer. They are the cancerous part of the American spirit. . . .

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Ah, it's always fun to see Trump fans find their courage and bravado after one of his speeches. He gives a voice to the weak who have been pushed around.

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President Trump's best line from last night's address: “Americans are dreamers, too.”its just hilarious how his supporters accualy think these are Trumps words good job guys.

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 Clippety: Their devotion to their country isn't defined by how much they hate other countries.

Sure it is - the Dems hatred is for their own country.

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I have to admit that I was disappointed that Trump only made passing reference to Russia in his speech. I was anxious to hear about the role that Russian collusion played in the 2016 election. At this point their is ample evidence of Hillary’s collusion with Putin via her payments to the Russian intelligence services for the propaganda compiled into the infamous dossier. Also the use of this political misinformation as a tool to enable the Obama administration to spy on the Trump campaign. I hope Trump will get a chance to address the nation on the Dems criminal activities sometime in the near future.

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On the road to becoming a totalitarian or fascist state, the government and its supporters must first paint opponents as unpatriotic.

Tick.

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Spectacularly out of touch with reality. Clueless.

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I think Trump is a bozo but the left’s strategy of trying to just personally tear him down with no real policy changes of their own means we have this administration for another 7 years. Live with it.

Just saying.

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The dems and their media keep delivering wins to President Trump. They are now the party of illegal immigrants. That is their constituency now. I do not see how this ends well for them.

MAGA

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A mere pittance for a wall that will help restore order and more importantly save lives. what lives are you referring too, its a known fact that the vast majority of homicides in the US are at the hands of American citizens.

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It’s interesring watching the right try to spin Trump as winning. Who exactly are they trying to convince?

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Gee, floodlights for 2,000+ miles, never thought about that

I think you should, that’s the whole point “to prevent.”

but I wonder who'd going to be paying the power bill and the wages of all the electricians to maintain those lights and the halogen light tubes.

Tax payers like me, proudly and everyone living along the border and people that advocate closed borders.

Gos that will certainly add to the costs of "running the great wall" along with the 5,000 border agents.

For the sake of security and border patrol, gladly.

My point really is that no wall will keep out all illegal immigrants 100% of the time and I also question the necessity of the wall when over the past year the numbers have fallen.

Of course, but these new designs and increased border securities and modernized surveillance systems will overwhelmingly reduce the efforts and attempts, if 1 gets through and they can apprehend 85 then it’s most definitely worth every single penny.

In the end it will just be one of those "walls to nowhere!"

Then there will be a DACA to nowhere except a one way ticket back to where their parents came from.

President Trump's best line from last night's address: “Americans are dreamers, too.”its just hilarious how his supporters accualy think these are Trumps words good job guys.

So you’re basically saying, screw my kids and forget their dreams as American citizens they don’t have the right to dream and have aspirations. Only illegals that have zero rights to deman anything have more rights than native born American citizens? Sorry, liberals are just completely out of touch with reality. Unicornverse in full laser mode today.

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There's a shadow across the land now. A stain on its character, its reputation. But Trump's army can only push so hard before the people push back. Harder.

Liberty shall prevail.

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Fantastic speech by Trump. He doesn't want the US to end up like Sweden or Germany

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There's a shadow across the land now. A stain on its character, its reputation.

The Democrats

But Trump's army can only push so hard before the people push back. Harder.

And Trump and the rest of us will push harder

Liberty shall prevail.

Amen

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Keep pushing and you'll meet resistance.

There's only so much the rest of the world can take from a country that descends into irrational hatred and bigotry.

Hardline tactics can go both ways.

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Fantastic speech by Trump. He doesn't want the US to end up like Sweden or Germany

Interesting podcast about the state of Sweden these days from one my favourite Youtube ranters. Its not good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObOUYc5BGnQ

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Keep pushing and you'll meet resistance.

Right back at you, homie.

There's only so much the rest of the world can take from a country that descends into irrational hatred and bigotry.

I don’t care what the world wants or thinks, they all can’t vote in the US elections and the world doesn’t govern our lives.

Hardline tactics can go both ways.

Most definitely.

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The US thinks it controls the rest of the world and yes, to be fair, what happens there has reverberations around the globe.

If the US can dictate, sanction, invade, bully and belittle? Well, it's only fair and understandable that the rest of the world has a say.

It's sad but like the DPRK, the US will find itself isolated and questioned on its every move.

In a way, unity is being achieved. Against the Trump regime.

Dictators have to be ousted.

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The US thinks it controls the rest of the world and yes, to be fair, what happens there has reverberations around the globe.

But you can’t vote, so don’t worry about our elections. I don’t worry about what happens in the UK, none of my business.

If the US can dictate, sanction, invade, bully and belittle? Well, it's only fair and understandable that the rest of the world has a say.

If they have the power, the money we have and if the leaders of these countries wouldn’t ask us for help, security, trade and all the other goodies, that includes entertainment, then you can chim in. If not, you don’t have a say.

It's sad but like the DPRK, the US will find itself isolated and questioned on its every move.

That will never happen, even thinking about it is hilarious.

In a way, unity is being achieved. Against the Trump regime. 

As well as unity has been achieved in the US of middle Americans of all strides that are rising up against the forces of the Progressive far, far looney left.

Dictators have to be ousted.

Thats why the FBI needs to get those brown boxes ready.

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So, Trump wants to create a pathway to citizenship for nearly 2 million "dreamers," but that's "hardline"?

He also wants to secure the border, and base our immigration policy on merit rather than on a ridiculous "lottery system" that has clear security risks.

Japan Today calls it "hardline." I call it "common sense."

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Japan Today calls it "hardline." I call it "common sense."

I agree.

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Oh my...

‘Deplorable vet’ reacts to Trump’s State of the Union address

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEwr6hSKxmc

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@bass I don’t care what the world wants or thinks, they all can’t vote in the US elections and the world doesn’t govern our lives.Dont you live in japan though?So nobody is governing your life if its in Japan are they.

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Oh my...

Trump’s State of the Union address signals a turning point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xdwclJ-9Y8

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For the sake of security and border patrol, gladly.

For the sake of wasting $50B (at least) that can be defeated with a 50 dollar ladder. Shovels to dig. Also, catapults to sling the narcotics over. This will be a real comedy because so far it looks like Trump is going to grant millions citizenship amnesty (like Reagan) and break his promise on the wall. He's going to burn the tax payers 50-billions big ones.

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