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Trump says U.S. military intervention in Venezuela an option; Russia objects

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I'm really curious what side liberals will take.

Side with Trump (pro coup and US military intervention)

Side with Putin (pro UN recognized government and peace)

Rock and a hard place eh.

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Trump says U.S. military intervention in Venezuela an option

Just don’t forget those refugee flux afterward.

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socialist leader Nicolas Maduro to step down, while the troubled OPEC nation's ally Russia

Rock and a hard place for Russia given Putin's an ultra rightist (as far right as any regime leader since the 1940's) pushing the notion taht it's liberals and leftists, including socialists, who are the enemy. Maybe Putin's goal of greater control of the world's oil and gas greases the skids.

@burnbush what side liberals will take.

Given there are probably billions of people in the world who identify as 'liberal', I think most reasonable people, i.e. not the benighted nor paid trolls, will recognize 'liberals' have a full spectrum of opinions on this.

@fredw Are the never Trumpers on here finally satiated?

There's a broad spectrum of never Trumpers: expect once again an array of opinions from the millions who despise Trump. But I know the notion of spectrum, of arrays and dynamics, is one partisan extremists, paid and otherwise, abhor.

@sakura Just don’t forget those refugee flux afterward.

Keep fear alive: the message of demagogues and their supporters throughout history.

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I'm really curious what side liberals will take.

What side are you taking? Just curious. Personally I don't think Putin or Trump should be anywhere near this.

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Yeah let’s meddle in the affairs of other countries, we don’t have enough problems in our own. :-/

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Trump and Pence - get those communists out of Venezuela. That evil government can't even provide food to its citizens which is the basic role of all governments. Heartbreaking scenes on TV as the citizens are literally starving to death.

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I'm really curious what side liberals will take.

What side are we taking?

Personally I see Chinese and Russian past loans to, and investment in, Venezuela as far more positive than anything Venezuela has so far received from the USA, which has all been sanctions and threats of invasion.

I remember this idea of US military invasion of Venezuela came up not long after Trump took power. It was reported that he'd looked at the interventions in Grenada and Panama and wanted to know whey it couldn't be done in Venezuela. He would have to be nuts to think that invading a far larger, more populous, and politically divided country like Venezuela would be as simple as invading Grenada or Panama.

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Venezuela isn't asking for USA help and it would only fuel a negative narrative. Venezuela has long acquiesced to China and Russia. If the USA wants to break up the other superpowers' involvement you're looking at a civil war

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I thought Trump was very much against sending US troops overseas? The US has no business sending troops to Venezuela (and neither does Russia or China).

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I thought Trump was very much against sending US troops overseas?

Trump’s brain is like a released balloon flying chaotically around the room making farting noises.

What Trump says is very often not taken seriously at the time or becomes null and void very quickly. This is a pity as I thought his idea of keeping the US out of other countries’ business was a sound one.

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Time to dust off Gary Cooper and refight the Spanish Civil War?

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I think Trump just days these things to get the liberals and Russia / China riled up.

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mayb trump thinks getting involved with Venezuela is a surefire way to get them to pay for his wall or whatever he calls it now.

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Any time Russia or China makes a deal with a LEGITIMATE government, the US has a fit and messes things up.

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All conflicts were came from those biased election disputes! No elections no disputes, no chaos, state prosperity!

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Iraq + Huge oil reserves = Freedom required

Venezuela + huge oil reservers = Sounds like it's a case of Freedom required from them too..

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Trump says U.S. military intervention in Venezuela an option

Once again 4D chess.

Venezuela + huge oil reservers = Sounds like it's a case of Freedom required from them too.

Nah, the U.S. is now the world's biggest oil producer.

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Nah, the U.S. is now the world's biggest oil producer.

That argument can only be made by someone who doesn't understand a.) capitalistic greed, especially when it's greedy capitalists running a nation (look at the US, Russia and China today), and b.) doesn't accept that from time immemorial the underlying mentality of empires has been a pagan ethos (Kaplan).

Think back to JD Rockefeller and Standard Oil, look at any industry today and the oligopolists who want to be monopolists, think about the mentality of those wanting to re-establish and expand the empires that came before (and brought the planet WW1 and 2, the Cold War and whatever the current era's called).

Wouldn't it be nice to think corporations and empires could be content with what they have. Can't happen in the 'he who controls oil controls the world' of today.

Each of the major players and empires want moooooooar.

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What side are you taking? Just curious

Yah, I think I'll side with Putin, the legitimate government and PEACE.

The whole bring democracy by bombing the people thing kinda doesn't fly with me, it never has.

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@burningbush The whole bring democracy by bombing the people thing kinda doesn't fly with me, it never has.

I agree.

What also doesn't fly with me is pushing totalitarianism - of any form - by military intervention, or even by meddling in other nation's affairs, for example pushing fake news (Pizzagate anyone?), 'alternative' facts, using social media and online forums to pour fuel on other nations fires, and other slimy actions done by paid trolls. In the trolls defense, legitimate employment might not be available for them. But they're still pond scum.

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Quagmire. Who would want to send a family member there in the name of nation building?

If Trump feels so strongly about it, he should send Don Jr. to lead the charge at the point of the spearhead.

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I think that getting Maduro out by transferring the flow of oil money is a potentially successful way to overthrow a dictator. I think bombing Venezuela is a potentially successful method of killing Venezuelans, our own troops, civilians and starting a World War.

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Letting the US military on any foreign "turf war" is a good way for America to anger others, spoil relationships, spend money, and lose lives. They don't need to get involved this way...

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Trump couldn't care less about the people suffering in Venezuela. Surprised he hasn't taken up Maduro on his offer of a meeting as Trump seems to like meeting despots and tyrants. Or is this one a bit too close to home like Castro?

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Yah, I think I'll side with Putin, the legitimate government and PEACE.

The legitimate government. Yeah, right.

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@serrano The legitimate government. Yeah, right.

Given you've defended Russia's 'meddling' to help elect Trump, and have long praised Putin, even calling him a 'stud', it's no surprise you side with him.

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Once again 4D chess

Has he won any of these games yet?

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The nice thing for trumpets regarding the 4D chess analogy is that due to it being a game made up in their heads, they get to define the rules as whatever they need to be for him to win. Very Trumpian.

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The nice thing for trumpets regarding the 4D chess analogy is that due to it being a game made up in their heads, they get to define the rules as whatever they need to be for him to win

I hope Serrano can break down Trump’s moves in this game for geniuses, although he’ll probably post a link to Sean Hannity or a nutter in a basement who is allergic to soap.

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@PTownsend

Keep fear alive: the message of demagogues and their supporters throughout history

Good description of the U.S. propaganda campaigns to justify its aggressions. But as the results of U.S. aggressions against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria tell us, however bad is the situation in a country the U.S. wants to put under its control, the U.S. actions make the situation only much, much worse. Do the U.S. policymakers ever learn from the past actions? And no, declaring some guy the president of a sovereign country is not meddling in internal affairs! I just wonder what would be the reaction of Americans if Maduro declares Hillary the lawful U.S. president and Trump an illegal usurper.

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Trump wanted the US to stop being the "world police". Why is he suddenly interested in policing the world again now?

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The never Trumpers on here must be ecstatic at this blatant meddling in another sovereign country's affairs. The irony is obviously lost on them.

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The United States, Canada and several Latin American countries have disavowed Maduro over his disputed re-election last year and recognized self-proclaimed President Juan Guaido as the country's rightful leader.

How about letting "Canada and several Latin American countries" work to sort out Venezuela's mess?

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Let them sort it out themselves.

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Let them sort it out themselves.

Like letting the Iraqis sort it out themselves? Like letting people in Crimea sort it out themselves? Like letting the Syrians sort it out themselves?

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Like every dictatorship, This one will end and veeeeery soon, Maduro as a good coward will flee to Russia when everything collapse. There is a Russian plane in the waiting for that..

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Well, at the moment, there is little for sale in Venezuelan cities. Food supplies are low, medicine is mostly unavailable, public transportation has stopped, water is flowing about once a week, people are getting shot or kidnapped, and corruption is rampant. Rich Venezuelans are leaving and going to Florida and other places. Poor Venezuelans are camped out near or in Colombia and other countries, who are trying to offer support but can’t handle the influx. Maduro, his cronies, and local gangs are to blame. I recently heard that the gangs were leaving, too, since there are few people to prey on.

The idea of rerouting the money fron Citgo, which sells Venezuelan oil in the US, to Guaido, was an interesting, relatively non-violent way to oust Maduro. I was surprised a Trump government could come up with this, but won’t be surprised to see him blow it through tweets about military action.

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Like letting the Iraqis sort it out themselves? Like letting people in Crimea sort it out themselves? Like letting the Syrians sort it out themselves?

I’m talking about Velenzuela, can we stay on that topic?

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I’m talking about Velenzuela

What do you think Velenzuela should do?

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Trump looking for war

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An "option". Nothing more, nothing less. No need to get worked up. And it's called leading, rather than leading from behind like his predecessor who celebrated both Chavez and Maduro.

Venezuelan air force Gen. Francisco Yanez who defected 2 days ago states that  “90 percent of the armed forces are not with the dictator.” Sen. Marco Rubio claims that at least seven “other high ranking officers want to do the same but are still in fear.”

Many of us have Venezuelan friends. And I can state that they are not fools. Perhaps fearful. Dead squads and all.

Touchy situation. President Trump is right to take a side. Against Russia, China and socialists.

Funny situation for anti-Trumpers. Whose side to pick? (Tick tock)

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Let the People of Venezuela work out their own problems!

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Obama was not pro-Chavez or Madura. Let's have a little honesty.

Funny situation for anti-Trumpers. Whose side to pick? (Tick tock)

Not at all. We are on the side of letting them take care of it themselves. Trumpophiles, however, can't make up their minds if they are for American intervention overseas or against it.

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The right in America decides to attack a country and says 'we're justified'. Then they pull out of a country they've ruined and say 'we're justified, anyone who disagrees wants war'.

Sigh.

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I’m talking about Velenzuela, can we stay on that topic?

The topic is US intervention overseas, which includes Venezuela and the other countries about which I inquired.

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Obama was not pro-Chavez or Madura. Let's have a little honesty.

Yeah. Still in denial about the radical marxist? Here's one story /photo /video from the main stream media, no less. Search Obama Chavez for much more.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/International/story?id=7377931&page=1

Here's Obama's condemnation on the death of the tyrant:

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“At this challenging time of President Hugo Chavez’s passing, the United States reaffirms its support for the Venezuelan people and its interest in developing a constructive relationship with the Venezuelan government. As Venezuela begins a new chapter in its history, the United States remains committed to policies that promote democratic principles, the rule of law, and respect for human rights.”

A joke? No, that is all he could or would muster on the demise of one of the most noxious figures in the hemisphere who was infamous for his support for Iran and other rogue regimes and domestic repression. President Obama never bothered to mention Chavez’s deplorable record of trying to meddle in and destabilize democratic governments. And then there was his support for terrorist groups. But if you didn’t know better (and perhaps you do), you’d think Obama was indifferent on the domestic and international misdeeds of the tyrant.

Unquote

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Not at all. We are on the side of letting them take care of it themselves. Trumpophiles, however, can't make up their minds if they are for American intervention overseas or against it.

The EU along with many countries are with the USA in supporting Guaido and Venezuelans.

The only people against anything Trump does are the bitter unhinged.

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