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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.Trump says U.S. military intervention in Venezuela an option; Russia objects
By Brian Ellsworth CARACAS©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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bones
Yeah let’s meddle in the affairs of other countries, we don’t have enough problems in our own. :-/
Scrote
I thought Trump was very much against sending US troops overseas? The US has no business sending troops to Venezuela (and neither does Russia or China).
Haaa Nemui
What side are you taking? Just curious. Personally I don't think Putin or Trump should be anywhere near this.
PTownsend
Rock and a hard place for Russia given Putin's an ultra rightist (as far right as any regime leader since the 1940's) pushing the notion taht it's liberals and leftists, including socialists, who are the enemy. Maybe Putin's goal of greater control of the world's oil and gas greases the skids.
Given there are probably billions of people in the world who identify as 'liberal', I think most reasonable people, i.e. not the benighted nor paid trolls, will recognize 'liberals' have a full spectrum of opinions on this.
There's a broad spectrum of never Trumpers: expect once again an array of opinions from the millions who despise Trump. But I know the notion of spectrum, of arrays and dynamics, is one partisan extremists, paid and otherwise, abhor.
Keep fear alive: the message of demagogues and their supporters throughout history.
Jimizo
Trump’s brain is like a released balloon flying chaotically around the room making farting noises.
What Trump says is very often not taken seriously at the time or becomes null and void very quickly. This is a pity as I thought his idea of keeping the US out of other countries’ business was a sound one.
Deadforgood
Letting the US military on any foreign "turf war" is a good way for America to anger others, spoil relationships, spend money, and lose lives. They don't need to get involved this way...
Kiwi in Okinawa
Iraq + Huge oil reserves = Freedom required
Venezuela + huge oil reservers = Sounds like it's a case of Freedom required from them too..
stormcrow
Quagmire. Who would want to send a family member there in the name of nation building?
If Trump feels so strongly about it, he should send Don Jr. to lead the charge at the point of the spearhead.
Jimizo
I hope Serrano can break down Trump’s moves in this game for geniuses, although he’ll probably post a link to Sean Hannity or a nutter in a basement who is allergic to soap.
sf2k
Venezuela isn't asking for USA help and it would only fuel a negative narrative. Venezuela has long acquiesced to China and Russia. If the USA wants to break up the other superpowers' involvement you're looking at a civil war
bearandrodent
I think Trump just days these things to get the liberals and Russia / China riled up.
serendipitous1
Trump couldn't care less about the people suffering in Venezuela. Surprised he hasn't taken up Maduro on his offer of a meeting as Trump seems to like meeting despots and tyrants. Or is this one a bit too close to home like Castro?
Jimizo
Has he won any of these games yet?
bass4funk
Let them sort it out themselves.
Jimizo
What do you think Velenzuela should do?
bones
mayb trump thinks getting involved with Venezuela is a surefire way to get them to pay for his wall or whatever he calls it now.
PTownsend
Given you've defended Russia's 'meddling' to help elect Trump, and have long praised Putin, even calling him a 'stud', it's no surprise you side with him.
Strangerland
The nice thing for trumpets regarding the 4D chess analogy is that due to it being a game made up in their heads, they get to define the rules as whatever they need to be for him to win. Very Trumpian.
Asakaze
@PTownsend
Good description of the U.S. propaganda campaigns to justify its aggressions. But as the results of U.S. aggressions against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria tell us, however bad is the situation in a country the U.S. wants to put under its control, the U.S. actions make the situation only much, much worse. Do the U.S. policymakers ever learn from the past actions? And no, declaring some guy the president of a sovereign country is not meddling in internal affairs! I just wonder what would be the reaction of Americans if Maduro declares Hillary the lawful U.S. president and Trump an illegal usurper.
Deadforgood
Trump wanted the US to stop being the "world police". Why is he suddenly interested in policing the world again now?
ToshiYori
How about letting "Canada and several Latin American countries" work to sort out Venezuela's mess?
canadianbento
Let the People of Venezuela work out their own problems!
Raw Beer
Any time Russia or China makes a deal with a LEGITIMATE government, the US has a fit and messes things up.
Chip Star
Like letting the Iraqis sort it out themselves? Like letting people in Crimea sort it out themselves? Like letting the Syrians sort it out themselves?
Miyam_Musashi
The EU along with many countries are with the USA in supporting Guaido and Venezuelans.
The only people against anything Trump does are the bitter unhinged.
sakurasuki
Just don’t forget those refugee flux afterward.
PTownsend
That argument can only be made by someone who doesn't understand a.) capitalistic greed, especially when it's greedy capitalists running a nation (look at the US, Russia and China today), and b.) doesn't accept that from time immemorial the underlying mentality of empires has been a pagan ethos (Kaplan).
Think back to JD Rockefeller and Standard Oil, look at any industry today and the oligopolists who want to be monopolists, think about the mentality of those wanting to re-establish and expand the empires that came before (and brought the planet WW1 and 2, the Cold War and whatever the current era's called).
Wouldn't it be nice to think corporations and empires could be content with what they have. Can't happen in the 'he who controls oil controls the world' of today.
Each of the major players and empires want moooooooar.
Serrano
Yah, I think I'll side with Putin, the legitimate government and PEACE.
The legitimate government. Yeah, right.
Wallace Fred
The never Trumpers on here must be ecstatic at this blatant meddling in another sovereign country's affairs. The irony is obviously lost on them.
lostrune2
Trump looking for war
Strangerland
The right in America decides to attack a country and says 'we're justified'. Then they pull out of a country they've ruined and say 'we're justified, anyone who disagrees wants war'.
Sigh.
NCIS Reruns
Time to dust off Gary Cooper and refight the Spanish Civil War?
Serrano
Trump says U.S. military intervention in Venezuela an option
Once again 4D chess.
Venezuela + huge oil reservers = Sounds like it's a case of Freedom required from them too.
Nah, the U.S. is now the world's biggest oil producer.
PTownsend
I agree.
What also doesn't fly with me is pushing totalitarianism - of any form - by military intervention, or even by meddling in other nation's affairs, for example pushing fake news (Pizzagate anyone?), 'alternative' facts, using social media and online forums to pour fuel on other nations fires, and other slimy actions done by paid trolls. In the trolls defense, legitimate employment might not be available for them. But they're still pond scum.
Miyam_Musashi
An "option". Nothing more, nothing less. No need to get worked up. And it's called leading, rather than leading from behind like his predecessor who celebrated both Chavez and Maduro.
Venezuelan air force Gen. Francisco Yanez who defected 2 days ago states that “90 percent of the armed forces are not with the dictator.” Sen. Marco Rubio claims that at least seven “other high ranking officers want to do the same but are still in fear.”
Many of us have Venezuelan friends. And I can state that they are not fools. Perhaps fearful. Dead squads and all.
Touchy situation. President Trump is right to take a side. Against Russia, China and socialists.
Funny situation for anti-Trumpers. Whose side to pick? (Tick tock)
Chip Star
Obama was not pro-Chavez or Madura. Let's have a little honesty.
Not at all. We are on the side of letting them take care of it themselves. Trumpophiles, however, can't make up their minds if they are for American intervention overseas or against it.
Miyam_Musashi
Yeah. Still in denial about the radical marxist? Here's one story /photo /video from the main stream media, no less. Search Obama Chavez for much more.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/International/story?id=7377931&page=1
Here's Obama's condemnation on the death of the tyrant:
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“At this challenging time of President Hugo Chavez’s passing, the United States reaffirms its support for the Venezuelan people and its interest in developing a constructive relationship with the Venezuelan government. As Venezuela begins a new chapter in its history, the United States remains committed to policies that promote democratic principles, the rule of law, and respect for human rights.”
A joke? No, that is all he could or would muster on the demise of one of the most noxious figures in the hemisphere who was infamous for his support for Iran and other rogue regimes and domestic repression. President Obama never bothered to mention Chavez’s deplorable record of trying to meddle in and destabilize democratic governments. And then there was his support for terrorist groups. But if you didn’t know better (and perhaps you do), you’d think Obama was indifferent on the domestic and international misdeeds of the tyrant.
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bass4funk
I’m talking about Velenzuela, can we stay on that topic?
Chip Star
The topic is US intervention overseas, which includes Venezuela and the other countries about which I inquired.
elephant200
All conflicts were came from those biased election disputes! No elections no disputes, no chaos, state prosperity!
Ganbare Japan!
Trump and Pence - get those communists out of Venezuela. That evil government can't even provide food to its citizens which is the basic role of all governments. Heartbreaking scenes on TV as the citizens are literally starving to death.