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Trump says he discussed Biden in call with Ukrainian president

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By Nandita Bose and Lawrence Hurley

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Sunday that he discussed Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden and his son in a call with Ukraine's president.

Trump's statement to reporters about his July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky came as the Democratic leader of a key congressional panel said the pursuit of Trump's impeachment may be the "only remedy" to the situation.

Trump's call with Zelensky has been at the center of an escalating battle in Washington since Friday, when news outlets reported that Trump repeatedly asked the Ukrainian leader to investigate whether Biden, the Democratic front-runner to take on Trump in next year's election, misused his position when he was vice president.

Trump told reporters at the White House that their phone conversation was mostly congratulatory but also touched on corruption and the Bidens.

"The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, with largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place and largely the fact that we don't want our people like Vice President Biden and his son creating to the corruption already in the Ukraine," Trump said.

Democrats have said that if Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Biden, it is tantamount to promoting foreign interference in the 2020 election.

Trump has denied doing anything improper. His allies, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, have defended the president's phone call, which, according to news reports, was the subject of a complaint made by an as-yet-unnamed whistleblower.

If an investigation shows that Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate Biden, the U.S. Congress may have no choice but to pursue impeachment, Democratic House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff said on Sunday.

Schiff had previously shied away from calling for impeachment, but his comments on CNN's "State of the Union" showed his stance had shifted.

"If the president is essentially withholding military aid at the same time that he is trying to browbeat a foreign leader to do something illicit, to provide dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign, then that may be the only remedy that is co-equal to the evil that conduct represents," Schiff said.

Other legislators have called for the Democratic leadership to pursue impeachment immediately, but Democratic House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi has so far resisted calls to formally begin the process.

In a letter to colleagues later on Sunday, Pelosi warned the administration against keeping the details of the whistleblower complaint secret. The administration has so far resisted sharing the details of the complaint with lawmakers.

"If the administration persists in blocking this whistleblower from disclosing to Congress a serious possible breach of constitutional duties by the president, they will be entering a grave new chapter of lawlessness which will take us into a whole new stage of investigation," Pelosi wrote.

Senator Mitt Romney, who has clashed with Trump in the past, sounded a rare note of concern among Trump's fellow Republicans, many of whom have remained silent, defended Trump or escalated their attacks on Biden in the days after the reports about the Trump-Zelensky call.

"If the President asked or pressured Ukraine’s president to investigate his political rival, either directly or through his personal attorney, it would be troubling in the extreme," Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee, said in a Twitter post.

Impeachment proceedings in Congress, which begin in the House, can lead to a president being removed from office, but Democrats would need the support of Republicans, who control the Senate.

Multiple news organizations reported on Friday that Trump repeatedly asked Zelensky to investigate whether Biden misused his position as vice president under Democratic President Barack Obama to threaten to withhold U.S. aid unless a prosecutor who was looking into a gas company in which Biden's son was involved was fired.

Biden has confirmed he wanted the prosecutor fired but denies it was to help his son. Biden said the wider U.S. government, the European Union and other international institutions also wanted the prosecutor fired for his alleged failure to pursue major corruption cases.

Biden said on Saturday there should be an investigation into Trump's call, saying it "appears to be an overwhelming abuse of power." He said he never spoke to his son about Ukraine.

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The left-right divide in America is intractable.

Politics and government is a total mess.

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"I'm not looking to hurt Biden, but he did a very dishonest thing," Trump said Sunday morning as he left Washington for a rally in Houston.

Out of all the "dishonest" things that have happened under you and your watch this is a classic, "pot-keele-black" moment.

Two wrongs do not make a right, and if Biden is guilty, then fine he should pay for it, but so should you Mr. Trump!

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Wow. Biden is starting to look like a perfect candidate for president.

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The left-right divide in America is intractable.

Politics and government is a total mess.

Thanks to your boy Donny.

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Biden is starting to look like a perfect candidate for president.

Biden is becoming Trump. Can they do a ticket ?

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"I'm not looking to hurt Biden, but he did a very dishonest thing," Trump said

Donny calling out anyone for being dishonest is the height of hypocrisy.

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Impeach the liar.

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The left-right divide in America is intractable.

It is not left-right. It is the gullible believers of the corporate media with their globalist propaganda vs the rest of us. The so-called "left" has long stopped being left.

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is the gullible believers of the corporate media with their globalist propaganda vs the rest of us.

Since I usually don’t agree with you, I must be one of the gullible le believers of the corporate media with their globalist propaganda. I don’t actually know who the globalists are, or what their agenda is that they are trying to push with their propaganda, which would seem to indicate that as you say, I am gullible.

So can you tell me, who are these “globalists”, and what is their agenda? I’d like to know so I can stop being gullible about it.

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Yet Trump calling them out for dishonesty doesn’t mean he is wrong. It just benefits you to deflect to Trump instead of looking into what he said.

Biden is on YouTube describing doing exactly what Trump says he did.

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chipsta:

Donny calling out anyone for being dishonest is the height of hypocrisy.

Err, really? Seems to me that Biden complaining about having his Ukrainan ties investigated is.

Remember, Joe bragged about it before:

I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’

Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

Guess they forgot to tell you that at CNN...

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Trump came right out and admitted that he'd done this impeachable offense...so why are we still playing 'maybe we should/maybe we shouldn't'? 

Impeach him because it is the right thing to do in a country that prides itself on 'the rule of law'. If the Senate chooses to ignore Trump's own words, then they deserve the shellacking they'll get in November 2020. This is not the Clinton impeachment over something stupid; this is impeachment over self-dealing and encouraging foreign interference in our political system.

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Just release the damn transcripts and end this.

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Funny how the usually incoherent Nancy Pelosi called the Democrats' obsession with impeachment their Moby Dick. By all means, go for it.

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Biden is on YouTube describing doing exactly what Trump says he did.

Ah ok, then Trump is ok then. He's justified, because someone else has supposedly done it.

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Funny how the usually incoherent Nancy Pelosi called the Democrats' obsession with impeachment their Moby Dick. By all means, go for it.

Well the problem is the difference between ethics and politics.

The ethical thing to do is impeach him - if the impeachment laws don't apply to Trump and what he has done, then what do they even exist for?

The political thing to do is to leave it to the voters, because as Nancy has stated, this will turn out to be a political Moby Dick.

The question is which is more important at a time of the serious moral failings of the president? Is it more important to do what is right ethically, being clear about how society expects the representative of their nation to behave, or is it more important to do what is right politically, to gain back power, to wrest back control from a man who is clearly unfit to lead.

That's a hard decision. Both hold strong appeal, the problem is that they conflict.

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Trump just admitted that he talked about Biden in the phone call.

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Trump just admitted that he talked about Biden in the phone call.

And....????

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Yep he is fine. Because to care about what Trump only said, you also have to care about what Biden actually DID. Big difference.

Ah ok, then Trump is ok then. He's justified, because someone else has supposedly done it.

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This isn’t even bothering Trump but it’s destroying Biden’s candidacy.

I would almost think the whistleblower is fake and someone in the administration told the media about this hoping they take the bait as always. Or Hillary, as she brought it up the first time to get Biden not to run in 2016.

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Donnie has confessed to the crime - time to send in the FBI for the "perp walk" out of the White House...

Pence, tell your wife to start looking for new drapes....

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Yep he is fine. Because to care about what Trump only said, you also have to care about what Biden actually DID. Big difference.

But, Trump.

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I would almost think the whistleblower is fake and someone in the administration told the media about this hoping they take the bait as always. Or Hillary, as she brought it up the first time to get Biden not to run in 2016.

Quick! Trot out a conspiracy theory to justify Donny's repugnance.

No links to the evidence of Biden doing what you're claiming he did?

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Had this been a Democratic president, this Republican controlled U.S. senate would've impeached him/her a long time ago.

To impeach or not to impeach? That is the . . .

On the one hand, Nancy Pelosi is right. This Republican senate has proved time and time again that it will turn a blind eye to this president thumbing his nose at the law and the constitution. Also, Pelosi is right that having impeachment hearings will energize Trump's base while weakening the Democratic one.

However, as a matter of principle, it's necessary to strongly condemn what this president has done and continues doing on a daily basis. It's necessary for the history books. Pressuring a foreign leader by withholding desperately needed military aid unless that foreign leader can provide damaging information on political opponents at home. This is wrong on so many levels, and it's dangerous for any future president of any political party to believe that they can get away with it. If most of us were in the position of the Ukraine leaders holding on by our fingernails waiting for desperately needed U.S. military aid, then the temptation to manufacture false information would be overwhelming. Trump's behavior as president needs to be strongly condemned.

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Yep he is fine. Because to care about what Trump only said, you also have to care about what Biden actually DID. Big difference.

Lololol What Biden did was perfectly above board, which is exactly why he was open about it. He pressured Ukraine to fire a corrupt prosecutor; like exactly what we should do with Billy Barr. This is the prosecutor who got fired. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin

Shokin's corruption is well-documented. The Biden video is also old, not new. If you actually cared, if this was actually an issue, why is it that not one of the Trumpies said a thing about it until now?

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As is typical of Trumpophiles, they are going off half cocked and twisting the available evidence to suit their inaccurate narrative.

Have some intellectual independence and integrity.

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Had this been a Democratic president, this Republican controlled U.S. senate would've impeached him/her a long time ago.

The Republicans don't have the ethics vs. politics problem.

They stopped pretending like they care about ethics long ago. For them it's only political. Impeaching a democratic president would always be politically opportune for them, so it's easy for them to impeach.

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It seems to now only be a question of if we want a corrupt president from the Democrats or a corrupt president from the Republicans in 2020. Wouldn't it be nice to have a decent man in office from a third party? Well it won't happen in 2020 but it could happen in 2024 if Americans would just start voting for decent people this election.

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CrazyJoe: "Impeach him because it is the right thing to do in a country that prides itself on 'the rule of law'."

stormcrow: "To impeach or not to impeach? That is the . . ."

It is more that obvious that the US is now under a dictatorship. Trump does as he likes and when he like, without any regard for law, constitution or congress. The US citizens are lumbered with this dictator and they don't know what to do.

Maybe US citizens should become freedom fighters in their own country. Follow France, Egypt, HK, .... Fight for your freedom US.

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Follow the timeline - it says everything you need to know.....

The Defense Dept puts together a military aid package for Ukraine to fight the Russians....

Even though its recommended by SECDEF and SECSTATE, Trump puts a hold on it....

Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy, then starts talking to the Ukraine President about launching an investigation into Biden's son - note personal lawyer, not govt lawyer - just like Cohen. This was after the Fox poll that showed Donnie losing to Biden by double digits....

All this comes out because of the Whistleblowers complaint, and suddenly the aid package is approved....

More details of fraud and conspiracy will no doubt be forthcoming...

Just more evidence of the sewer that is Trump-world....

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hayesbrown/trump-ukraine-biden-giuliani-whistleblower-explain

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It is more that obvious that the US is now under a dictatorship.

Trump does as he likes and when he like, without any regard for law, constitution or congress. The US citizens are lumbered with this dictator and they don't know what to do.

Dictatorship? Creative...anyway, If you think he’s bad he fails in comparison to the previous President.

Maybe US citizens should become freedom fighters in their own country. Follow France, Egypt, HK, .... Fight for your freedom US.

Yes! And so the fight to end socialism and radical liberal indoctrination carries on!

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Yes! And so the fight to end socialism

Does that include Trump piling on the debt with out of control socialist spending?

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Does that include Trump piling on the debt with out of control socialist spending?

And what about taxing his own people on imported Chinese products, and giving that money to farmers?

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he fails in comparison to the previous President.

This is true. Obama was not a fantastic President, but compared to Trump he was a massive success.

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And what about taxing his own people on imported Chinese products, and giving that money to farmers?

I remember the days on this site when the US right used to quote Thatcher’s idea that socialism is fine until you run out of other people’s money.

Looks like minds, principles and shoes need to be discarded when you enter the Trump tent.

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We have been talking about Ukraine for a long time now. You guys just deflect when it comes up screaming Russia Russia. But now to defend Biden and attack Trump you have to talk about it now.

so it’s ok to force Ukraine to remove a prosecutor by withholding money, huh?

If you actually cared, if this was actually an issue, why is it that not one of the Trumpies said a thing about it until now?

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so it’s ok to force Ukraine to remove a prosecutor by withholding money, huh?

If its corruption/inaction as a public prosecutor, absolutely. This has been well-documented.

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But doing the same exact thing unless that leader stops all investigation into your sons company is a-ok?

Pressuring a foreign leader by withholding desperately needed military aid unless that foreign leader can provide damaging information on political opponents at home. 

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So why was the USA involved in who is a prosecutor in Ukraine?

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But doing the same exact thing unless that leader stops all investigation into your sons company is a-ok?

lolololol There is 0 proof of that. Just spurious allegations, by our village idiot president.

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The only reason the USA could remotely care who a prosecutor in Ukraine is if he was investigating a US citizen. Otherwise it’s none of the USA business.

Especially the son of the US Vice President, can’t have any scandal coming back home from there.

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Was zero proof of Russia collusion either. Yet it was investigated for 2.5 years. Why are you so afraid to find out what happened?

lolololol There is 0 proof of that. Just spurious allegations, by our village idiot president.

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Does that include Trump piling on the debt with out of control socialist spending?

Not nearly as much as cradle to grave entitlements.

This is true. Obama was not a fantastic President, but compared to Trump he was a massive success.

Of the English language and apology I will give him that.

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so it’s ok to force Ukraine to remove a prosecutor by withholding money, huh?

No, no, no, you got the question wrong....it should be;

So, it's OK for a sitting President to threaten another country's leader by withholding military aid to coerce them into launching a phony investigation to harm a political opponent?

There, fixed it for you...

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No, I am discussing what “your team” did. Why don’t you want to talk about that?

Why would Joe Biden withhold money from another country unless they fired a specific prosecutor? Give me a reason why he would care and why Obama would allow it?

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So why was the USA involved in who is a prosecutor in Ukraine?

lol Because the US is providing foreign aid to Ukraine. Not unlike a number of countries who receive foreign aid. It should also be noted that many countries were critical of Shokin. Not just the United States.

And if you don't like, I'm sure you're equally outraged that Trump would hold up foreign aid to Ukraine unless they investigated Biden.

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Why are you so afraid to find out what happened?

lol I'm not. Let Donny release the transcripts of his call.

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"The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, with largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place and largely the fact that we don't want our people like Vice President Biden and his son creating to the corruption already in the Ukraine," Trump said.

I miss the days when the President of the United States spoke English.

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The transcripts of the call have nothing to do with what Biden did. Ukraine should release the evidence on that instead.

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Ukraine should release the evidence on that instead.

Yeah! Or Trump refuses to give them military aid! Trumpster logic on full display. Makes a ton of sense.

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So why did Biden refuse to give them the billion dollars? Deflect all you want, Biden is the story here.

Dems want him out, “the squad” doesn’t want him to get the nomination so he won’t.

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" If you think he’s bad he fails in comparison to the previous President."

"Yes! And so the fight to end socialism and radical liberal indoctrination carries on!"

Your insight is amazing. Your right again.

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@Strangerland "The Republicans don't have the ethics vs political problem."

Agreed, so it's important to make a statement as a matter of principle for the history books. It's important to educate future generations of the corruption which exists in the U.S. Senate.

@rlperez...

In the last election, Hillary Clinton (in the popular votes category) won nearly 3,000,000 more votes than Trump. Maybe there needs to be a fairer way voting for our leaders. It's strange that a man who became president and is pissing off so many people actually lost by 3,000,000 votes.

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So why did Biden refuse to give them the billion dollars? Deflect all you want, Biden is the story here.

I already explained why. Shokin was a corrupt, ineffective prosecutor. This was the opinion of a number international bodies, governments, and the opinion of the State department.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/world/europe/political-stability-in-the-balance-as-ukraine-ousts-top-prosecutor.html

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/30/corruption-in-ukraine-is-so-bad-a-nigerian-prince-would-be-embarrassed-2/

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Of the English language

Boy, is that ever true - Infrantroopen! Lawmurkers! The "oranges" of the investigation! Mike Pounce!

and apology I will give him that.

Hummm - who's "in love" with the murderous dictator in nK? Who sides with Putin over his own intel agencies? Who coddles and supports the murders of Jamal Khashoggi? Who now wants diplomacy with the mullahs in Iran?

There hasn't been a bigger Appeaser in Chief....

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Wow. Biden is starting to look like a perfect candidate for president.

When is Obama going to endorse his former vice president?

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Lets just go ahead and bury the Biden story now.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/

Now, back to the whistleblower complaint veifired by the Inspector General.

We know Trump talked about Biden. We know the complaint was about inappropriate promises. We know Rudy has been pressuring The Ukraine to provide information about Biden.

We don't know the identity of the whistleblower despite the Right's attempt to smear this confidential person they don't know by calling him/her hyper partisan. We don't know the content of the conversation because Trump won't release it. We know the White House tried to hide the incident from Congress.

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stormcrow:

Yes, but the commenter I'm referring to is always right, just ask him. Master of deflection.

Fully agree with you; how did the clown become POTUS?

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Blacklabel:. The transcripts of the call have nothing to do with what Biden did.

Oh boy. You're going to go all in on this one, ne? Embrace it.

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Blacklabel:. The transcripts of the call have nothing to do with what Biden did.

So we need to find out what Biden did, but we can't be finding out what Trump said Biden did...

But, you guys!

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@rlperez

Yeah, and it makes ya' wonder if it'd be better to allow states to almost become something like nation-states, especially when looking at how the Trump administration is trying to ram its environmental policies down California's throat.

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"If the president is essentially withholding military aid at the same time that he is trying to browbeat a foreign leader to do something illicit, to provide dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign, then that may be the only remedy that is co-equal to the evil that conduct represents," Schiff said.

BINGO!

Senator Mitt Romney, who has clashed with Trump in the past, sounded a rare note of concern among Trump's fellow Republicans, many of whom have remained silent, defended Trump or escalated their attacks on Biden in the days after the reports about the Trump-Zelensky call.

And once again, Romney shows he's the only Repub with any back bone left...McConnell was born without one and Lindsey Graham's was buried with John McCain...

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DT has taken the office of the presidency to unprecendented lows.

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Your insight is amazing. Your right again.

I agree.

And once again, Romney shows he's the only Repub with any back bone left...McConnell was born without one and Lindsey Graham's was buried with John McCain...

Funny, the very people that are now backing Romney just a few years ago called him privileged, out of touch, idiot for wearing lucky underwear and every other nasty name they could conjure up and now he speaks out against Trump and liberals love him. The same goes for McCain, liberals absolutely hated the guy, despised him, now he’s the darling hero of the left, please. ROFL!

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Funny, the very people that are now backing Romney just a few years ago called him privileged, out of touch, idiot for wearing lucky underwear and every other nasty name they could conjure up and now he speaks out against Trump and liberals love him. The same goes for McCain, liberals absolutely hated the guy, despised him, now he’s the darling hero of the left, please. ROFL!

Go figure. You act as if there isn't a perfectly good reason for that.

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Senator Mitt Romney, who has clashed with Trump in the past, sounded a rare note of concern among Trump's fellow Republicans, many of whom have remained silent,

The GOP has been neutered and much cannot be expected out of them, they are too busy playing fetch when Trump throws a ball.

Trumplets are trying to show parts of a remark Biden made to build up a phony case against Biden, but what they conveniently forget is that most Republicans and allies wanted this prosecutor out, because he was corrupt.

Since corruption is the bulwark of Donny's presidency, not surprising Trumplets don't think too much about it.

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But doing the same exact thing unless that leader stops all investigation into your sons company is a-ok?

Thst didn't happen in reality, but we all know you prefer arguing with the reality you've created.

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Funny, the very people that are now backing Romney just a few years ago called him privileged, out of touch, idiot for wearing lucky underwear and every other nasty name they could conjure up and now he speaks out against Trump and liberals love him. The same goes for McCain, liberals absolutely hated the guy, despised him, now he’s the darling hero of the left, please. ROFL!

Yea, I can remember just recently where Trumpers were calling Romney a RINO, a swamp creature, a fake....

But, then again Trump said this about Hillary in 2012.....so we know Repubs speak with forked tongue...

*“Hillary Clinton I think is a terrific woman,” he told Greta Van Susteren. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York. She lives in New York. I really like her and her husband both a lot. I think she really works hard. And I think, again, she’s given an agenda, it is not all of her, but I think she really works hard and I think she does a good job. I like her.*

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The big question that we'd like Trumpers to answer about this whole Ukraine scandal;

Why did Trump put a freeze on the Ukraine military aid in July? It was recommended by both SECDEF and SECSTATE - Trump was the one who froze it. That aid was badly needed to help Ukraine fight the Russian invasion.

Then why after the Whistle blower scandal came to light last week, did Trump finally approve it?

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There is zero evidence Biden pressured to have the prosecutor fired to help Biden's son. Zero. This forces the question: Why are Trumpophiles intentionally spreading misinformation?

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The GOP has been neutered and much cannot be expected out of them, they are too busy playing fetch when Trump throws a ball.

Just like the Dems, we all know AOC runs the ship, Pelosi in Name only, will she reign her out of control troops in, stay tuned....

Trumplets are trying to show parts of a remark Biden made to build up a phony case against Biden, but what they conveniently forget is that most Republicans and allies wanted this prosecutor out, because he was corrupt.

Since corruption is the bulwark of Donny's presidency, not surprising Trumplets don't think too much about it.

Oh, please! Biden has been a gaffe machine since I can remember and that goes a bit back. Biden’s own demise and its coming will be his own undoing, now liberals want to make his Ukrainian shady business ties between and Hunter...the man that had an affair with his dead brothers wife as if its a no big thing. Biden is done, let’s not kid ourselves, it’s a slow political death, but an assured one.

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Yea, I can remember just recently where Trumpers were calling Romney a RINO, a swamp creature, a fake....

Yes, but at least we were consistent, now what’s the Dems excuse.

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Biden had no shady dealings in the Ukraine. Right wing lie.

What Biden's Don's do is in Biden's sons, not Biden.

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The only thing Trumpophiles are. Insistent about is doing screeching 180s with Donny and lacking integrity.

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we all know AOC runs the ship

She who must not be named has been named.

The Republics win.

Game over.

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Yes, but at least we were consistent, now what’s the Dems excuse.

You weren’t calling Romney a RINO a swamp creature or a fake when he ran against Obama. You were very praising of him.

Trump was too. He went nuts on Twitter complaining about the electoral college after someone fed him fake news that Romney had won the popular vote. What a tool.

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She who must not be named has been named.

The Republics win.

Game over.

Not quite, they also have to use Beto's - gulp - full name!!!!! (Audible gasps from the crowd.)

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Not quite, they also have to use Beto's - gulp - full name!!!!! (Audible gasps from the crowd.)

That's the ultimate summoning. It wins the electoral college.

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Biden had no shady dealings in the Ukraine. Right wing lie.

As the Russian collusion hoax was, I understand.

What Biden's Don's do is in Biden's sons, not Biden.

Depends, we thought the same about Don Jr, but apparently liberals didn’t, go figure

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But we the people, have no idea what Trump discussed and agreed in the secret meeting with Putin and if any of that related to the Ukraine.

No records or recordings made.

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So you admit the GOP is neutered, thank you for your honesty.

Just like the Dems, we all know AOC runs the ship,

Thank you for sharing your knowledge or rather lack of it .

Biden has been a gaffe machine since I can remember

Airports during the independence war, Mike Pounsh, Tim Apple, Oranges of the Russia investigation, Typhoons are wet... I can go on and on.

However I admit Biden is Gaffe prone, but the one thing he is not, is corrupt.

Can't say that abut Donny, the US Government is a criminal enterprise in his Presidency.

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Yes, but at least we were consistent, now what’s the Dems excuse.

Now that is funny - tell us all what The Trumpers said about Tillertson, Kelly, Cohn, Mattis, McMaster, Coates, and especially Amorossa when hired, and then fired....

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Chip Star: There is zero evidence Biden pressured to have the prosecutor fired to help Biden's son. Zero. This forces the question: Why are Trumpophiles intentionally spreading misinformation?

Because it helps Trump. And soon the GOP will create an alternate reality to live in. And the Russians will help.

It's just the way the Right is nowadays.

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Because it helps Trump. And soon the GOP will create an alternate reality to live in. And the Russians will help.

It's just the way the Right is nowadays.

Also, if they question Trump, the Republicans may lose next time. Then they would lose power. They figure it's better just to let Trump do whatever he wants, that way they can keep their power, and that ensures people who don't pay won't get health care. Which they all "know" is the worst thing in the world that could ever happen.

Better to just let Trump do whatever he wants, so they can retain power.

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You weren’t calling Romney a RINO a swamp creature or a fake when he ran against Obama. You were very praising of him. 

I never liked Romney, I always thought he was a RINO and thought he was an idiot as well as his father. Most real conservatives were consistent with their opposition towards Romney.

I personally never the guy and I personally thought he Would never be president, so you’re not getting any arguments from me over that. As far as Trump is concerned I like Trump as he evolved. Well, it doesn’t matter what liberals say about Trump, he won the electoral college, Obama won it twice, so that’s the only thing that matters, Romney can talk all he wants to Romney is just Romney and that’s all he will be a nothing more, but a rich guy with a glass elevating garage. Lol

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So you admit the GOP is neutered, thank you for your honesty.

I think “both parties” know who’s in charge and they want to keep their jobs. That’s knowledge in a nutshell.

However I admit Biden is Gaffe prone, but the one thing he is not, is corrupt.

Well, we do agree on that, but yeah, you can believe that the man is not corrupt, but it sure does look like he is. Anyway, he’ll be out soon, so no worries.

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Yet Trump calling them out for dishonesty doesn’t mean he is wrong. It just benefits you to deflect to Trump instead of looking into what he said.

and vise versa whenever there has been accusation against Trump for his lies and illegal doings (and there have been many) seriously the hypocrisy of Trumptards is becoming worse than ridiculous isn't only somebody with a frontal lobotomy would believe. just a note to those that dont understand the law, whataboutism isn't poof of innocence in any proper democracy. I mean the mountain on poo that is covering Trump and his swamp im surprised anybody can keep their heads above it to even breathe let alone defend this cretin

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Trump never discusses. He just gives orders.

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We didn't do it.

Yes, we did it, but we didn't break any laws.

Yes, we broke some laws, but it's not illegal.

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We didn't do it.

Yes, we did it, but we didn't break any laws.

Yes, we broke some laws, but it's not illegal.

Yes, it's illegal, but Trump is president so it's not unethical.

Yes, it's unethical, but we retain power if we don't say anything about it.

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I think “both parties” know who’s in charge and they want to keep their jobs. 

No they don't, the Democrats have people who don't agree on things , that's called democracy.

The GOP on the other hand has one man who does what he pleases and the others are too scared to speak up. Not sure what they call is in Russia, but its called dictatorship everywhere else.

you can believe that the man is not corrupt, but it sure does look like he is.

No it doesn't, because his statement is there on the internet for all to see. The Donny court jester Guiliani might want to make Trumplets believe that its proof, but if you hear the complete statement and the context you know its not.

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I am a lifelong democrat and I am most disgusted by the traitor that illegally released confidential information about the president's conversation with other world leaders.

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Well, we do agree on that, but yeah, you can believe that the man is not corrupt, but it sure does look like he is. Anyway, he’ll be out soon, so no worries.

Smacks down Donnie by 12 points - in a Fox News poll.....oh my....

Trump is desperate - the Ukraine corrupt smear attempt was just the beginning - next we'll see;

Biden to blame for Hurricane Dorian leveling the Bahamas....

Biden provided ammo to Trump supporting mass shooter in El Paso....

Biden had a fling with a porn star....well, they had to toss that one since they couldn't find a porn star that Donnie hadn't cavorted with....

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Trump is desperate

I have been seeing that comment here for years now. I find that incurable optimism rather sweet.

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No they don't, the Democrats have people who don't agree on things , that's called democracy

As do the Republicans.

The GOP on the other hand has one man who does what he pleases and the others are too scared to speak up. Not sure what they call is in Russia, but its called dictatorship everywhere else.

As with the moderate Democrats. Why is it that they quiver when AOC says something, she’s not even quite a first year full Freshman in Congress and Pelosi a Senior can’t control her own caucus? The socialists are coming home to roost. Pathetic.

No it doesn't, because his statement is there on the internet for all to see.

Yeah, it does. But yes, let’s check Google controlled and operated by liberals, I see. Lol

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Smacks down Donnie by 12 points - in a Fox News poll.....oh my....

Which mean nothing, why do liberals still go by polls on everything, odd.

Trump is desperate - the Ukraine corrupt smear attempt was just the beginning - next we'll see;

Biden to blame for Hurricane Dorian leveling the Bahamas....

Biden provided ammo to Trump supporting mass shooter in El Paso....

Biden had a fling with a porn star....well, they had to toss that one since they couldn't find a porn star that Donnie hadn't cavorted with....

Let’s see, the Biden thing is going to further damage Biden who’s already slipping in the polls, I would say by Summer of next year, that’ll be his last swan moment.

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I am a lifelong democrat

Oh yeah

and I am most disgusted by the traitor that illegally released confidential information about the president's conversation with other world leaders.

Really, someone found that the President behaved inappropriately and reported to his boss, you find that traitorous.

Shouldn't the President selling his country to the highest bidder be considered traitorous instead.

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