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David Varnes
Dear Cadet Coward-In-Bonespurs,
You can scream "witch hunt" and 'rigged' and all your other gaslighting buzz words all you want. You can keep your followers drinking the Kool-Aid all you want. You can try to shift blame (without evidence) onto the DNC, to HRC, to Obama, to Santa Claus, to whoever. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't change the simple facts that you have proven through your own conduct and words. The facts that you are an abhorrent coward of a man unfit to be President of the United States. That your very presence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is a slap in the face of the great men who have sat in that office before you.
It doesn't change the fact that you do not care about your country before you care about your 'brand.' You do not care about destroying the very foundations that our nation was founded upon in your own mad quest for power, President Commodus.
It doesn't change the fact that you wouldn't know truth if it barked in your face, or that your behavior has weakened the United States.
It doesn't change the fact that you are an abject liar who relies upon gaslighting and dogwhistling, upon fear mongering and the lowest common denominator in order to maintain a facade of power.
It doesn't change the fact that while you have maintained the facade thus far, you cannot maintain an honorable core, because you have no honor.
I went to an institution that has a simple motto: Duty, Honor, Country. For you, Donald Trump you coward, those three words mean nothing to you. Your motto is Me, Me, Me.
Strangerland
I'm thinking this whole Cohen thing has him freaked out. Cohen knew more of his dirt than anyone. This is why he's back to trying to discredit the intelligence agencies again, because he's realizing how strong the info is that they have on him. Since he can't really discredit his personal lawyer, he needs to move one step higher and discredit the people interviewing his personal lawyer.
Rearranging chairs on the deck of the titanic is all it is.
CrazyJoe
When Page was warned by the FBI that a Russian spy ring was trying to recruit him his response wasn't "Oh My God" or "how can I help protect America", it was to run to the Russians and warn them the FBI was onto them. Another Republican patriot.
Madverts
Poor little Russian agents on trump’s campaign being spied upon.
Implosion is nigh. And long overdue .
Laguna
Nobody ever wants to take responsibility for what Trump says - they just keep passing the buck until you get to someone like Sanders who simply flat-out lies. That says a lot.
katsu78
The article could honestly have stopped here. If Trump can't even be bothered to make his own case, then he has no case. For as much as he whines about the media being out to get him, it's amazing how much credit they give his own paper-thin excuses.
Yubaru
Be nice to wake up one morning and hear that Trump said something intelligent!
SuperLib
Wwll, the IG cleared the FBI, and now the release of the warrant exposes yet more lies by Team Trump with their "the investigation is based on the dossier" BS.
So....why not make up some more stuff, right? It's not like there are any consequences.
Strangerland
I guess this gets people talking about his disasters of the past weekish. He was rude to the queen, called the EU an enemy, met with a dictator and acted like a dog with its tail between its legs, then spent days trying to explain his actions through obvious lies and BS.
But let’s not forget those things for this one.
Strangerland
Well no, I was basing it on the fact that until you just claimed it was the Obama administration that paid for the dossier, no one else ever claimed that, the reason for no one saying so is that nothing has ever come up to indicate that the Obama administration even knew about it, much less paid for it.
But hey, you said they paid for it, so we just need to take your word at face value, right? AKA, just because 'you said so'?
You realize your 'argument' in fact kills all your other arguments, right? If you require something above just saying so, yet you never provide anything more than just saying so, you are very clearly stating that your own level of evidence provided is never enough to actually support any argument.
Strangerland
No.
No.
No.
Yes.
No.
Yubaru
Neither of which work with him anyway. The best response in my opinion, would be for Twitter to shut down his account due to his being senile, and the rest of the press to stop reporting anything he has to say.
Next have congress find a way to have him quietly put into the hospital for observation, due to him being incapable of doing his duties as president, then be quietly removed from office.
Strangerland
Thats not a fact, and entirely refutable.
Lets to keep the claims of fact to actual fact mmkay?
Strangerland
No.
No.
No.
SuperLib
So the FBI illegally spied on Trump and you have evidence proving it. Sucks for you since there's nothing you can do about it. Score one for the Deep State.
Yes, but we made sure that you will never see it. We've consolidated all of the evidence of our conspiracy into the redacted pages of the FBI warrant. All of your theories can be proven there....if only it could be released. Everything about Page and Strzok, Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, all the made up stuff justifying the witch hunt....everyone and everything. All right there in black and white confirming everything you ever suspected.
Just one more locked door....after a dozen Benghazi hearings, an email investigation, and investigation into the email investigation, an investigation into the investigation of the email investigation...all coming so close but yet so far. We continue to stay one step ahead of you. You break through, we put up another wall.
You will never find direct proof of our brothers and sisters in the Deep State. We cover our tracks too well.
SuperLib
Yep, signed off and renewed by Republican appointed judges and the Trump appointed Republican, Rosenstein. (I've been told that party affiliation is evidence of bias.)
Laguna
A few salient points:
Page was on US intelligence radar even before he joined the Trump campaign;
Issuance of a FISA in no way implies guilt, just suspicion (which Page had provided in abundance);
Public pronouncements from intel agencies have been few center upon the idea that Carter was being "cultivated" by Russia, not that he was a spy or foreign agent;
This may be the case, which would be why he has not (yet) been charged;
Not having been charged, there is nothing for Carter to deny;
The whole point of releasing the FISA has nothing to do with Carter's guilt or innocency anyway - it is because the GOP and Trump are trying to scapegoat intel services;
The FISA documents show that it was issued properly and was not any attempt to "spy" on Trump's campaign;
If intel services had wanted to spy on Trump's campaign, they certainly had better choices (Jr., Kushner, Stone, Brannon) than Carter.So the whole idea falls flat on its face. Whatever happens to Carter happens, but intal agencies did nothing improper. (Or would you prefer that those suspected of falling under the influence of foreign powers - say, Islamic ones - be ignored and left to their ways?)
Jimizo
That’s because he doesn’t need to.
His supporters do not care.
theeastisred
The documents in question were declassified by Trump earlier this year because he wanted to enable the release of the biased and incomplete partisan Republican report. Well look where that cleverness got you, Swampy!
Strangerland
It means that without providing evidence, Trump made allegations.
Your argument that Trump has read it seems to be akin to using anonymous sources, which you guys haaaaaaate. And I know you're going to say they aren't the same, but they are in that they both provide information that cannot be verified by independent outside sources.
Strangerland
What a weird 'defense' to me pointing out how you claimed the Obama administration paid for 'the dossier', which had never been claimed by anyone, on any team, until you said it. I'm not coming up with any idea, fantasy or otherwise. I'm pointing out something that, in absence of the existence of any evidence or even a suggestion, appears to have been fantasized by you. Not even your own team has ever made the claim.
Neither is 'the left' a member of any intelligence committee, we just hear 'what evidenced showed'. So your argument makes no sense. You question why you should believe something just because 'the left' said it, yet you expect 'the left' to believe what you say, just because you said it.
Heh, I'm sure you do. After all, in your mind, the Obama administration paid for 'the dossier'. There are apparently a lot of things that you see that no one else sees. Like, not even the conspiracy theorists.
Laguna
Ah, yes, Black - the "deep state" (paranoiac for "civil servant"): This is what Republican Senator Trew Gowdy had to say to Trump "deep state" appointees such as (but not limited to) Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley:
It is a question for these pros: On one hand, if they leave, they lose their ability to restrain Trump; on the other, if they stay, they're further tarred for all of history.
One thing is true: Not one Trump appointee has come out to defend him in recent weeks. He's increasingly isolated not only in Congress but within his own White House. Blame the "deep state" that he appointed if you'd like a scapegoat; Trump certainly will be doing so soon.
Simon Foston
This is a man who lied about his own father being born in Germany and claimed the Queen hadn't inspected her Guard for 70 years so I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously.
Laguna
Black, ya gotta keep up with your definitions.
deep state (n): any bureaucracy which attempts to inhibit, stall, or otherwise interfere with orders with which they disagree from a US president of either party.
The followinf would be logical according to your point of view (which would match McConnell's),
supreme court nominee (n): that only made by a Republican president.
Jimizo
Is making accusations with no evidence whatsoever now acceptable behaviour from the leader of a civilised, democratic country?
Has anyone checked the National Enquirer to see if they have anything concrete on this?
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Good thing it was justified the. :)
Toasted Heretic
I agree.
Tough on Trump. Tough on the causes of Trump.
SuperLib
Trump is spitting out crazy tweets. We must have gotten to him. :)
SuperLib
Everyone already knew that. It was started by Republicans and picked up by Democrats. Your "bombshell" distraction is just a rehash.
I believe the GOP position was that the document relied exclusively on the dossier (lie). They also said it was not disclosed that it was partially funded but Democrats (lie).
Blame Nunes if you want someone to be angry with. He duped you into spreading false information.
Will you fall for it again? I'm thinking...yes.
Toasted Heretic
It's times like these that remind me of the late, great George Carlin.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will simply drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
gcbel
of course he didn’t. He never does. 3000 plus lies and piling them up.
Russell Leisenheimer
he says lots of things...and most of them, like this, are false
SuperLib
Yep, obviously false. Just like all of your information about Clinton. No charges = false evidence.
So why hasn’t Trump exposed and fired the ringleader, Rosenstein? Still sticking with, “no need to” right after you’ve convinced the world you figured it all out?
SuperLib
There will always be the 30% who will spread this lie, and they will be here shortly. The important thing is to starve the nutball arguments of oxygen with a methodical presentation of the evidence so they can’t infect people outside of their bubble.
At this point the entire “Deep State” and bias arguments come down to Strzok’s text messages saying he personally didn’t like Trump, and the IG specifically cleared him. There has been zero evidence of any improper anti-Trump actions by Rosenstein and Mueller or anyone else.
Zero.
SuperLib
The FBI said it was including information from a source who, the FBI believed, was looking to discredit Trump. That would be Steele. Their response was that they had gotten credible information in the past from the source and wanted to research the information despite Steele’s position.
They didn’t mention Clinton or any names. They don’t do that in warrant applications. That’s why Trump is referred to as Candidate 1. It’s in line with what the FBI has always done, but right wing propagandists are treating the exclusion of the names as some kind of intentional coverup. Which is a lie.
Page was already on the FBI’s radar long before Steele arrived, going back to an investigation in 2013.
The application was signed off on by 4 Republican judges as well as other Republicans in charge at the DOJ. All Republicans.
They had other evidence on Page, not just the dossier. Focusing exclusively on the dossier is disingenious as it’s one part of the puzzle.
Theres no coverup here. There’s no crime here. There will be no arrests or indictments. That alone should prove that you have no legal case whatsoever.
Just more propaganda by omission and misleading statements from Trump fans. They fall for it every time. Remember the bombshell IG report? The bombshell final email report? The bombshell Benghazi investigation? The bombshell Comey/Strzok testimony? All complete and utter duds which produced enough spin to convince Trump fans that there’s just one more locked door to open where all of their made up speculation is confirmed.
Still waiting.
SuperLib
That’s correct. And Trump parted with him anyway.
What do you mean what happened? They had evidence, they got a warrant, they investigated, the didn’t find reason to bring charges. It happens. Just ask Clinton.
Nope. You are reading sources that are intentionally omitting information and misleading you, That’s why you are 100% convinced there is a coverup yet you have no arrests, no indictments, and Rosenstein, the supposed ringleader, still has a job? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Strangerland
When are you going to realize that coming to a conclusion with a minimal number of facts is an easy way to look silly for not knowing what you're talking about.
A) How do you know they can't indict him, and he hasn't been indicted for other reasons?
B) How do you know that of the infinite number of possible reasons other than the one you gave, yours is the correct answer?
You guys need to stop manufacturing outrage simply because you don't know something, and are too lazy to go find out about it. 99% of your arguments are 'What about A? Therefore B', where B is not supported by A, and half the time A isn't even what you say it is.
Strangerland
Why don't you try to find out the answers to your questions, instead of creating mock outrage since you don't know the answer.
Strangerland
Ok, so do you have anything that is actually based in reality and can be proven with facts? Because I'm suspecting the above is a rant that isn't actually based in reality, and has no proof to back it up.
Remember kids, a question is not an argument.
SuperLib
And Rosenstein, too. Don’t forget about him.
No charges = false evidence. Just like Page.
SuperLib
The evidence is pointing to a lot of Trump's people going to jail. That's what the evidence is as far as the rule of law is concerned. Why no Democrats being sent to jail?
Yes, it's the made up thing Trump fans use to explain things they have no evidence for. But Deep State isn't a judge or a lawyer so "Deep State" isn't preventing people from being arrested or convicted.
Maybe you're being duped? Nah, it's probably not that. Just....maybe they just haven't gotten around to arresting anyone on the left. They'll do it after lunch.
Strangerland
The reason you have having troubles understanding what they are saying is a problem of dialect. You are speaking in the 'logical' dialect', and they are speaking in the 'partisan' dialect. This is resulting in a difficulty of communication, as they essentially are speaking another language, and do not have the capacity to understand the 'logic' dialect.
SuperLib
When your people are going to jail and nothing is happening to the other side and all you have is media accounts and the words of a known liar and proven scammer, maybe, just maybe, you are being duped.
Dont forget about Rosenstein. You guys always seem to forget him. He’s the mysterious final piece to your conspiracy puzzle that just doesn’t seem to fit in place.
Unless you just make stuff up.
Strangerland
The problem is that they've worked themselves up into such a frenzy, that when it turns out that the frenzy was over something that didn't turn out to be true, they need to come up with a different excuse: "The deep state"
Strangerland
He may get stuck in a logic loop on that one. Trying to argue that no charges means absolute innocence with Page, while no charges means absolute guilt with Hillary... How does one rectify the fact that these two conclusions are polar opposite conclusions, when outrage needs to be manufactured?
SuperLib
Stranger, we are talking to a guy who believes the DNC email hack was an inside job by Seth Rich, who was then murdered by Democrats with the support of the Baltimore Police Dept and the FBI.
He can convince himself of anything.
SuperLib
Im not seeing any charges brought against anyone on the left, while those in Trump's circle are preparing for prison time.
Why is that?
mukashiyokatta
Don't the American people recognize an unhinged, self-serving PSYCHO when they see one?! Oh wait -- come to think of it, maybe they don't.
SuperLib
Nah. Only your guys are going to jail. Those three will be fine.
SuperLib
Republicans put Democrats on trial in the media, then wonder why the police aren't hauling them into court.
Democrats put Republicans behind bars based on the rule in law via our legal system.
The only real option for you would be to have the Fox News Opinion section count as real evidence in court. But as long as it's just hot air, no one will be going to jail.
SuperLib
Um, OK. Republicans are going to jail but they are all innocent. Democrats are guilty but aren't going to jail because of corruption on our justice system.
I'm willing to go along with that.
Strangerland
I don't get this comment. Are you suggesting they shouldn't be charged because they'll end up being let off? Or do you mean that anything wrong they've done is ok, because they can be pardoned by it. What exactly is the point you're trying to make with this statement that has a question mark appended to it?
Strangerland
And again you’re asking questions without bothering to find out the answers, and trying to manufacture outrage based on your lack of knowledge.
Strangerland
Um...
You realize that was just one post back.
No. You don't think we've seen through you guys after years of going on about how Hillary was guilty and that the facts proved so, even though none of your committees ever found fault with her, through out like 67 investigations?
Sorry, we know you guys like to call stuff you've made up 'facts', but facts do not change based on partisanship.
wtfjapan
Trump/Putin in 2020
Toasted Heretic
An agent or a spy is highly unlikely to admit it.
The assets are doing a fine job, great people.
theeastisred
Bass/Black,
Trump now saying the sun rising in the West. Let us know when you have adjusted your 'thinking' to this reality!
Strangerland
No
No.
Silvafan
Black label wrote:
Lol! Is Dump the only person who can't keep their lies straight? Or is his supporters also in the early stages of dementia?
Strangerland
Not logically you can't. I can't believe after all this time, that you people haven't figured out that it's usually (c), something you haven't thought of, or don't want to, since it means you were wrong about their only being options (a) and (b).
And yet both (a) and (b) can be false.
Strangerland
Sorry, I've played that game with you too many times. You just come back and whine about how I've used words to prove you wrong.
Let's examine this though. You're claiming that there are only option (a) and (b). No other options. Then you expect me to justify your inflexibility and inability to consider what options (c), (d), (e), (f)... (infinity) may be. Why would I want to play into that game. I'd rather point out how illogical it is to only think there are options (a) or (b), and no other possibilities. You're trying to adjust the frame of logic for me to prove you're incorrect by only providing options (a) and (b), but by only providing options (a) or (b), it invalidates the argument itself, as by definition it is an illogical stance.
So no, I'm not going to provide options (c) and (d), because even someone who knows everything there is to know, may find out afterwards that they didn't have the piece of information that would allow them to have known what (c) an (d) were when making the argument.
To sum this all up, I'm going to repeat myself:
Strangerland
No.
No.
Although maybe your sentence was cut off because you actually did contemplate it, and realized how silly your 'logic' was.
But I doubt it.
nishikat
was this a crime?
What's Trump waiting for? If Trump doesn't arrest President Hillary that means Trump is a joke of a president and shows his failures like his Muslim ban. No President Hillary arrest = Trump's (another) big failure (out of many many).
nishikat
Then he should be in jail. What is Trump waiting for. He is weak and he is a failure for not jailing his political enemies who have lied under oath. Trump is the true failure.
Fine, he said Comey lied under oath. Why isn't he in jail now? If that is so then this professor is a real quack. No Comey arrest = this professor is a quack and Trump is a complete failure.
nishikat
Jonathan Turley is a quack. If he says that Comey perjured himself under Federal law that would be a prison sentence up to five years in Federal prison. Yet, Comey runs free. Either Professor Turley is a quack, Trump is weak, or both. Comey remains free.
Strangerland
And if Hillary hadn't done it, you guys would claim she did until the end of all time.
Let's leave out the partisan 'pretending what the person may have done' argument, since you cannot logically prove what would or wouldn't have happened, and therefore it suits no purpose other than to give yourself a bit of a rush at having made a cut against what you are pretending the other side would have done evilly.
nishikat
I hear about all these felonies and murder, as well as child porn Pizza Gate by President Hillary. But she is not under arrest. What's going on? Then we have a quack of a legal professor Jonathan Turley who says Comey perjured himself under Federal authority. But no arrest. It's OK, Trump followers hate these people. But why keep saying they are criminals if there is no arrest. We are dealing with quacks and weak people on the right.
nishikat
They are quacks. They both said that Comey and President Hillary have committed crimes and I don't see either of them in jail. Also Trump accused Obama of tapping his phones and Obama is free. Proof:
Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower
(Trump Tweet)
1glenn
How many minutes has it been since Trump's last lie???
Alexandre T. Ishii
I never spied him even I Had a chance and I don't care about his Twitting BS comments!
starpunk
I agree with you all the way. I too a military vet - US Navy, and this little Caligula is just WAH WAH WAH (in Navy jargon). If he was legit in any way or in anything he does he wouldn't be so egotistical and paranoid all the time. It's a lot like 'Macbeth', we read it in HS English class and I can see that Shakespeare was right on the money in his plays (take away the witches, fairies, hocus-pocus pow jive, that is). Also coming to mind is 'Titus Andronicus'. I saw a production of that featuring actors dressed as modern skinhead bikers dressed in leather. The ideas behind these plays are so true to life - like now.
mukashiyokatta
What is there to spy on?? Witch hunt!
starpunk
And you don't need to spy on him to know about his boasting about groping and abusing women. His sick remarks and actions and such concerning him and his daughter also paints the picture too. No 'spying' needed here, he's blubbering all this stuff openly himself. And his surrender summit last week, and his constant kissy-up to Putin - no spying needed here. He's making everything very open, clear and explicit and obvious to all - in living color.
bass4funk
Corruption runs high on the left, what can I say? When you have John podesta and Paul Manafort being convicted on exactly the same charges, but because Manafort worked for Trump Podesta gets an immunity free out of jail card? Again, liberals can sit there and petal that crap all day, the evidence says otherwise. Either way, Trump will be able to pardon all of them anyway, so it doesn’t really matter.
bass4funk
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/03/18/turley_comey_may_have_lied_to_congress_under_oath_leaking_mccabe_firing_hurts_case.html
I'll trust one of the most prominent law professor in the country over any network or pundit.
And yet, he had to lawyer up. Opps, wonder when Brennan will get his lawyer, maybe already has one/
That the liberals keep trying to indoctrinate to the masses and passing it as somewhat facts? Good luck with that, Lol
Blacklabel
I don’t know. But I know if Trump had paid for it, it definitely would be.
extanker
Its sad how many people here believe that there are politicians on either side who aren't criminals.
bass4funk
No, I’m not a liberal, so I’m good.
I think it’s more like, you guys need to get over the right seriously.
I comment just like you and your personal comments are more in attacking the men, therefore, I’m allowed to support the man. I’m not a lemming and I don’t have to follow the liberal narrative in dog piling, I will be harsh on the president when I think there is good enough reason to be harsh on him, which I have done.
Blacklabel
yes, Comey signed the FISA warrant.
Yes, Comey said he doesn’t know that Hillary paid:
https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/24/james-comeys-words-suggest-fbi-doj-hid-dossiers-funding-fisa-judge/
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/385112-comey-asserts-republicans-first-paid-for-steele-dossier
so how can the application he signed clearly state who paid if he still doesn’t know?
Blacklabel
Let me use short statements of fact.
James Comey signed the FISA warrant.
Liberals claim the FISA warrant clearly states that Hillary paid for the dossier.
James Comey claims he doesn’t know for sure who paid for the dossier.
All of these statements are affirmative, so from that I can deduct that either (a) the dossier doesn’t say clearly Hillary paid for it or (b) Comey is lying. Take your pick as both a and b cannot be true.
It’s ok, I know all our liberals want to move on from this inconvenient topic and are just waiting for “trump tapes” hitjob article to be posted soon.
Blacklabel
So please provide a (c) and a (d) then to show what I haven’t thought about and don’t want to think about.
Your articulate “no” responses to allproven facts such as Comey signing the FISA warrant don’t help much in moving forward.
bass4funk
Bingo!
James Comey claims he doesn’t know for sure who paid for the dossier.
Comey Lied under oath and taking his word on anything would be as pathetically appalling to even conteme
Blacklabel
Yet Page has not been indicted, so what happened to all this evidence? The other evidence was newspaper articles that were based on the dossier.
Blacklabel
COMEY: You know, that's not my recollection, Brett, and I don't know that the FISA application's been released. My recollection was, it was part of a broader mosaic of facts that were laid before the FISA judge to obtain a FISA warrant.
BAIER: There was a lot more than the dossier and the FISA application?
COMEY: My recollection was, there was a significant amount of additional material about Page and why there was probable cause to believe he was an agent of a foreign power, and the dossier was part of that but was not all of it or a critical part of it, to my recollection.
So where is this “broader mosaic of facts” in the FISA application? They never thought it would be released so felt safe to lie about the contents. Oops! Anyway the media has deflected and moved on so we should too, right?
bass4funk
Well, it’s not Kermit the frog.
Yeah, as if how the FBI has been conducting themselves is anything but honest and buy the book, don’t even go there.
Yes and so far nothing. If Page were some kind of agent, Spliff would have leaked it and ran with it to the mountain top. So much for that claim.
As if party affiliation resolves anything. Like the band the Clash, two members were Jewish, the other two Christian, but they all had something in common, they were all musicians.
Unverified and salacious, dirty and unreliable and?
There was coverup there was a crime and still the corrupt players have a job and funny how Tony Podesta who was charged with the EXACT same crime as Manafort, failing to file the FRA. Podesta Group told the Justice Department that it failed to file legally required disclosures of White House advocacy on behalf of India.
The Podesta Group did not file under FARA during any of the years when it lobbied both Congress and the executive branch, according to the Justice Department website. And yet Manafort gets charged and Podesta gets immunity for the same crime, interesting.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/05/tony-podesta-lobbied-for-russias-uranium-one-and-did-not-file-as-a-foreign-agent/
Oh, stop! The Dems have been shady, dishonest and have been trying their best to oust this President unsuccessfully might I add, even with the help by blundering misfits by opportunist rogue dirty cops like Brennan, Klapper, Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein and that smug Strzok still with all the tools at their disposal they still keep failing.
Yeah, the left wishes that, another exploding cigar. Lol
Serrano
"Im not seeing any charges brought against anyone on the left, while those in Trump's circle are preparing for prison time. Why is that?"
Never heard of the Deep State, Super? When you see a felon like Hillary Clinton who has jeopardized national security still free, you know the Deep State exists.
Oh my!
'She Has Gone INSANE' - Tucker Carlson Mocks Hillary Clinton After Her Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=getD3AwYcVA
bass4funk
As if Mueller and his henchmen are the epitome of truth, integrity and honesty. But yeah, Trump can pardon them if he wants and I hope he does.
Bingo!
bass4funk
No, I’m just saying this dog and pony show and overreach the Dems try to ultilize to their political advantage, it’s just great to know the President has the power in the end to equal stick it Mueller.
Tony Podesta gets charged with the exact same crime as Manafort and yet, he gets immunity? So Yes, I’m happy that Trump will be able to pardon these people, Mueller wants to send a message and Trump will as well and the best part is, the left can’t do Jack about it.
Blacklabel
Yep Comey testified he wasn’t aware that Hillary paid the dossier. Yet he signed the FISA application that liberals tell me clearly told the judge that Hillary paid for it.
so either Comey lied (again) or it wasn’t as clear as you claim. It should have directly said “candidate 2” paid for it, but they tried to hide it in vagueness.
Blacklabel
I’m not asking questions I’m stating facts backed up with evidence. Nothing I said was a question.
Blacklabel
The document states Source #1, which is Steele (and his dossier). Strangely I don’t see any Source #2 or Source #3?
Yeah they spied on Page for a year, yet can’t indict him? Means the initial allegation that he was a foreign agent was obviously false.
Blacklabel
Coney said the dossier was not a “critical part” of the FISA application. So what was the critical part?
Blacklabel
I know the answer.
The dossier (and media articles about it) WAS the critical part. and Comey and others lied and used that to falsely accuse Page of being a foreign agent to spy on Trump campaign long after Page was gone.
Blacklabel
Uh no, the evidence against Clinton was real. There were classified emails found in her private emails. An illegal email address and server existed. The evidence was not false.
Comey changed the wording on the document from a criminal offense to a non criminal one. Focused on lack of intent when intent is not part of the law. All of this information is readily available in the public.
But Hillary is irrelevant, right?
bass4funk
The release of the FISA Warren, thr IG report, John Podesta wikileaks mails, the heavy redaction the Democrats vehemently and consistently oppose, (especially for a party that claims innocence) Strzok’s mails, Lisa Page’s mails, Comey’s lies and testimony, McCabe’s lies and testimony.
Denying that would be like denying that Trump loves gold.
Remember kids, a question is not an argument.
Blacklabel
You havent forgotten the IG is doing a report about FISA abuse right now have you?
Blacklabel
The IG gets the unredacted copy. Some in Congress have also read the unredacted version and are asking for declassification of 21 specific pages. So I wouldn’t be so sure that nothing illegal happened.
bass4funk
The left know they’re in a box, it’s a Porky pig moment for them. Lol
Bad News. Oh, my....
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/midterm-election-poll-shows-democrats-republicans-close-generic-ballot/
bass4funk
Bingo!
extanker
Are there folks on the right that have done some shady things? Oh, I'm sure. But anyone who thinks the entire left are a bunch of saints guilty of nothing is delusional.
Serrano
Trump is colluding with the American people to MAGA.
Blacklabel
Yeah it relied on the dossier and a Yahoo news article. Which was sourced from the dossier, despite the FISA warrant saying all 4 times that they felt Steele was not the source of the Yahoo news article (but he was, that is not in dispute anymore)
Actually the Nunes memo has been proven exactly correct. You just choose to spread a different story. Nunes and others have seen it unredacted so they know.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo
Blacklabel
The indicted leaker from the Intelligence Committee who was sleeping with the NY Times reporter sent her 82 texts per the indictment.
Guess how many pages were in the initial FISA application? 83, with one page blank.
So a NY times reporter has the unredacted IC copy of the FISA warrants and used it to do TV interviews on CNN/MSNBC and write anti-Trump articles, but the American public cant see it?
Blacklabel
Trump said 6 months ago in Twitter that the DNC and FBI had involvement in paying for the dossier.
liberal media laughed about the "conspiracy theory".
What have we learned since then even in the redacted FISA application? That the FBI and Hillary/DNC paid Steele (a foreign national spy) for the information in the dossier.
bass4funk
Glad to hear it.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-behind-trump-investigation/
Yeah, uh....well....I respect you guys for trying, I really do, especially my non-American friends.
According to former MI6 British spy Christopher Steele's now infamous dossier on Trump, Page's trip was when the alleged Trump-Russia plan to hack the Democratic National Committee was born.
The only problem is, the Steele dossier has been exposed as a fanciful product of the Clinton campaign and the opposition research firm Fusion GPS, which hired Steele. And the main assertions were based on hearsay from Russian officials, and never validated.
Even so, the FBI and Justice Department used the dossier to apply to the FISA court to tap Page's communications and, as a result, much of the rest of the Trump campaign.
In doing so, the FBI broke its own rules and, worse, the Obama Justice Department withheld the fact from the FISA court that the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee were responsible for the dossier.
Nothing is in my mind except the illusion that liberals keep trying and like an exploding cigar, they get foiled again and again.
Blacklabel
You know good and well the “deep state” isn’t the Trump appointees. It’s the leftover Obama appointees and the intelligence community heads in 2016 and their underlings.
Oh and Mattis defended Trump, as did Pompeo.
Serrano
"Trump is spitting out crazy tweets. We must have gotten to him. :)"
Keep your eyes and ears closed tight, Super! Wouldn't want any truth to get in the way here :) Oh my...
Bongino: Russia probe is biggest scam in modern US history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoWB1C5WyKs
Blacklabel
Didn’t say anything about the Chinese OPM hack in 2014-2015 of 21 million Americans. Maybe because those Americans weren’t Podesta and Hillary?
The person involved wasn’t arrested until Obama was out of office in 2017.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/opm-data-breach-exposes-obama-false-promise-of-competence-in-government/
Blacklabel
The truth will come out as most of the deep state has either resigned, been fired or is now paid to talk on CNN or MSNBC by now.
Trump has it all, knows it all and can declassify and unredact anything he wants at his leisure.
Thats why Brennan, Clapper, Comey are all over media and social media freaking out. The leftover deep state just trying to stall until the midterms praying Dems will retake the House to prevent the truth from coming out.
Serrano
"Trump has repeatedly criticized U.S. law enforcement agencies that are investigating allegations of Russian meddling in the vote, and he has insisted there was no collusion with members of his campaign. Russia denies any interference."
Did Obama ever challenge the presidents of China and Iran for all their meddling and theft?
Blacklabel
The unredacted 412 page document IS the evidence. (trump has seen it)
What does the media mean that Trump made allegations without any evidence?
Blacklabel
So basically spying that cannot be justified IS illegsl spying. Pretty simple.
Blacklabel
Wasn’t justified as the provided information to get the surveillance was false. Carter Page wasn’t found to be a Russian agent as he is a known FBI asset.
So the law says a search with an invalid warrant is an illegal search. Same for an invalid FISA warrant, that’s illegal spying.
Or will liberals make up a brand new reason to justify the FISA warrant that’s not even in the application?
bass4funk
Ok, so that’s the Spliff tried narrative, interesting. What other fantasy ideas are the left coming up with? Democrats now believe in Capitalism? Deregulation? Lol
I never said, I’m not apart of the intelligence committee, I just hear what evidence showed. But I wish I did had that kind of clearance.
No, but I do see how it kills yours. But if you think you’re right and recently, almost always...ok, almost every time, the left has been wrong on virtually everything that involves speculation. The left thinks everyone is wrong as if they didn’t have their grimy mitts in the fake salacious dossier, but they know concretely that the President colluded with the Russians, so if Carter Page is some secret agent, if that were near close to the truth, he wouldn’t be walking around. Adam Spliff would sound the siren, scale the mountain tops and sounded the alarm, that wouldn’t be something he would sit on...EVER!
As I have said, don’t know how many times I provided evidence,but I keep forgetting, the left only take the words of left leaning....so called facts, nothing else, so why bother, I mean, really?
Blacklabel
tells me all I need to know. Plus these documents confirmed the “conspiracy theory” that both the DNC and the FBI paid for the information in the dossier.
“Page has denied being an agent of the Russian government and has not been charged with any crime.”
Blacklabel
So can’t use Papadapolous as spy justification because of Hillary donations from the diplomat and other Hillary advocates involved.
Cant use dossier cause it’s full of unverified info and Hillary and the Comey FBI both paid its creator.
So all is left is Carter Page. As FISA warrants have the highest level of proof required can’t use unverified or speculative evidence.
So Page MUST be a Russian agent as the application says or its a false warrant. Seems Mueller forgot to indict him though. Not even a “lying to the FBI” or a decades old tax case. Oops.
Blacklabel
The application stated Carter Page is a Russian agent. This was the reason given to spy on the Trump campaign.
Yet Carter Page has never even been indicted for this? So it means that reason for the spying was false, therefore it’s illegsl spying. The fact that spying happened is no longer even in question.
The dossier was the justification to spy until we found out Hillary paid for it. Now it’s that Russian agent Carter Page who is actually an FBI anti-Russian asset. Now back to a drunk Papadapolous excuse. But his name isn’t in the dossier at all....
bass4funk
Hmmmm...
And then what?
Now that it’s an irrefutable fact the Obama administration as well as the Hillary campaign bought and financed the dirty dossier that Comey elated to being salacious and unverified. The Dems try and try and try....
bass4funk
Ok, so the left says so, so the tangible evidence doesn’t matter because the left commands you to think so, gotcha.
K! Liberal spin facts it is.
kawabegawa198
Of course it was. Crooked Clinton was prepared to do anything to win. Trump 2020!